Duchess Kate ‘has always remained loyal to William’ despite her closeness to Harry

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

It’s been absolute shambles from the House of Keen in the weeks following Prince Harry and Meghan’s Oprah interview. Prince William has done the bulk of the shambolic work, which is why every story is about William’s anger, rage and bad temper. But there have been stories about Duchess Kate too, from her blatant exploitation of a dead woman to being “mortified” that she was outed as a Mean Girl and liar. William continues to act like he’s “protecting” Kate from a scandal entirely of her own making, and as it turns out, Kate supports William completely in his campaign to Keep Kate Infantilized. Shocking.

The Duchess of Cambridge has “been there” for her husband Prince William and “sympathises with his upset and anger” over Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s interview claims, a royal expert has claimed. The Sussexes made a number of claims about the royal family during their sit down with Oprah Winfrey, including several directly about William and Kate. Meghan said that her sister-in-law made her cry in the lead up to the royal wedding in 2018, while Harry claimed his brother was “trapped”.

Vanity Fair’s royal editor Katie Nicholl explains that while Kate was extremely close to her brother-in-law, her loyalty will always lie with her husband and she’s been understanding of his reaction to the claims.

She told OK! magazine: “Kate has been there for William recently, especially after his conversations with Harry didn’t go too well. Kate has always remained loyal to William despite how close she was to Harry. Her loyalties are with her husband and their family. Even though she’d love peace and harmony, she sympathises with William’s upset and anger.”

Kate’s family, including parents Carole and Michael Middleton, have always been a huge support to the couple so it’s likely they’ve also been on the other end of the phone. They play a big role in Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis’s upbringing, and Carole often helps out with childcare. Katie describes the Middletons as Kate and William’s “anchor”, saying: “It’s a real sense of normality amid any chaos. William has always loved spending time with all the Middletons as it’s his escapism.

“He’s close to Carole and Michael and always insisted the royal family treat them well, which the Queen has done. She welcomed them with open arms.”

[From The Daily Mirror]

As much as I sometimes believe that William runs to Katie Nicholl with exclusives – there are just too many stories from his perspective or Kate’s perspective – this one clearly came from Carole Middleton, right? That’s been happening a lot over the past month, this feeling that Middleton Manor – Bucklebury Castle – is running their own royal communications office and pushing stories about poor Keen Kate being mortified, yet also supportive of her rage-monster husband. And baked into the stories are claims that well, at least William has the support of his dear surrogate mother, Carole Middleton, who is basically the Queen at this point. It’s very creepy to see Carole run her own operation like this. And it proves some assumptions I made about the Middletons’ role in the attacks on Harry and Meghan too. Carole seemed especially pissed off that Harry fell for Meghan. Like, Carole took it as a personal affront.


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  1. clomo says:

    Poor thing,I hope she gets a little action in the shrubbery too, with a real man.

    • Cecilia says:

      I actually wouldn’t be surprised if kate has a side piece too. Im sorry but i just don’t think kate is the meek and shy little lamb who is scared of william. She’s a mean girl and probably a bitch bts.

      • clomo says:

        If she is I hope it’s with a cavalry officer in the British Army, hehehehe.

      • Noki says:

        Kate have a SIDE PIECE?, PWT will have her offed. She wouldnt dare ,i think Willian is the only man she has been with since they became a thing. PWT ego would not be able to take it and Carole would never allow that to happen no matter how miserable her daughter may be. I can see it maybe when Kate is in her 60s and William has really gotten bored of her and the kids are older,maybe then she might seek some male affection else where.

      • Merricat says:

        I don’t think Kate is much interested in sex; she seems so void to me. She might fall into something with a tennis pro, I suppose.

      • Harper says:

        Saw my first rumor on Twitter yesterday alleging Kate has an aristo friend on the side. Mentioning it because I have never seen or heard this hinted at before.

      • L84Tea says:

        @Harper, I saw that too! I have no idea where that came from, but I hope it’s true!

      • Babz says:

        @Harper, I saw that, too! It was in a tweet where someone was asking for opinions about whether or not Kate smokes. It just sort of randomly dropped in to the conversation.

      • Cecilia says:

        @noki. Like i said: i don’t believe kate is scared of william. I honestly think willy doesn’t really care if kate has an affair as long as it’s discreet and he will be left alone to do his thing. William only cares about public image. So if to the public kate seems like the perfect wife and they seem to have the perfect middle-class marriage its good enough for him.

      • Harper says:

        @L84Tea and @Babz … that was a good Twitter thread, wasn’t it? The tweet also went on to say that Kate HATES the royal work. That’s what made me go, ahem, this tweeter sounds like she knows what she’s talking about because we all know Kate can barely show up for anything. Made me wonder if seeing Harry leave so abruptly gave Kate the idea that she could exit the royal family too at some point. Say she is hooking up with an aristo with land, one of those great country houses and lots of money who wants to marry her? Would she grab the chance for a happier, lazier, private life?

      • Florence says:

        @Harper, can those of us non-twitter users get a hint of what we should search to take a peak at this thread?

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Who knows if it’s true? I do think that if it is, PW now has something to use against her. Oh, I know he’s got so many side dishes there’s no room for a main course, but she’s been bribed to be silent is my guess. She’ll have to be careful that doesn’t come out, because that actually makes her look bad. This marriage is going to implode. It’ll be interesting to see if it takes much longer.

      • Madelaine says:

        The reason CopyCath was ogling Harry is precisely because he has that athletic stamina she lusts after. And the reason the queen appreciates her is that, unlike Diana, she has accepted the asymmetrical royal deal according to which the men are allowed mistresses but the women are to be silent breeders. Sophie Wessex has been turning a blind eye to Edward’s alleged homosexual inclinations. That’s how she’s earned the queen’s respect.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      I do not pity her. She is a mean girl through and through. Her tenacity and resilience in hanging on and wearing Baldilocks down to get the ring is all I need to know about her. Plus via Carol Kardashian, she will use anyone and anything to deflect from the bad behaviour we saw with our own eyes at last year’s Commonwealth service.

      • clomo says:

        Hell no! I don’t pity her one iota. Was indifferent about her until Meghan came, now I see the Cambridges in a very bad light. But it would amuse me to no end if she was having affair with a chap with same career as James Hewitt.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        LO @Clomo. I think she will go for someone sporty, possibly a sailor or tennis player nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

      • clomo says:

        She said knowingly.

      • booboocita says:

        @clomo — Well, she’d be like Diana in ONE way …

  2. Nev says:

    That top pic. The shade.

    • Merricat says:

      Lol. Bit reptilian, isn’t it?

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      They were trying for the prince of hearts angle. Didn’t quite work.

    • Golly Gee says:

      A portrait of love captured for all time, charred heart and all.

    • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

      To me, it’s more of Baldilocks is once again, selfishly leaving Keenie hanging out (in the rain) alone, showing us how little he *really* cares.

      Shades of the Jubilee moment, when HARRY had to take her under the umbrella as Rage-Monster walked ahead under his own, and left her (once again, alone in the rain).

      No amount of “glances” (in the other story) will tell me as much as THIS shot does, about his true feelings for wifey. And no amount of MIL “love” and PR will make up for the fact that he seems to barely tolerate her daughter.

      • Bess says:

        And it’s not as though Bill Middleton doesn’t know how bad it looks when he holds the umbrella for himself while his wife is out in the rain.

      • Kyliegirl says:

        Its especially funny because there is video online of Will taking (I say grabbing) the umbrella from Kate so he can be seen to hold it for her. They are so awkward.

  3. Lauren says:

    So if Bill isn’t being a raging anger monster he is lying his bald head on Carole’s lap? That’s such a great ffk. I’m really starting to think that a some point Keen developed feelings for Harry and he gtf out of there. She is really pushing too hard the “extremely close to Harry” narrative.

    • Snuffles says:

      Oh, she was 100% hot for Harry. Long before Meghan arrived on the scene there were reports that Kate was making Harry extremely uncomfortable by being so clingy with him.

      I have no doubt that Harry has always been a gentleman towards her and probably treated her with infinitely more respect than William ever did. She probably caught some feelings and viewed Harry as “hers” as well.

      Then Meghan shows up and Kate see Harry showering Meg with love and attention. Treating her like a queen. It just reminded her how she wasn’t getting any of that at home and now she can’t even get her little moments with Harry anymore.

      She’s clearly choking with jealousy.

      • Over it says:

        All this .here is to hoping she succeeds with the choking bit.

      • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

        Yup. She CLEARLY loved having Harry’s attention on her, and I believe, as well, she had “the feels” for Harry and read WAY more into what was just common kindness, and yes, maybe a bit of familial affection at the most.

        I agree that she was PISSED that Harry met Meg, fell deeply in love, and wasn’t afraid (or lacking the ability, like her husband) to SHOW Meg the affection and love that he felt. Hell, Harry WANTED the entire world to see how much he loves and cherishes her. If Harry met a blonde aristo, and had the same detached relationship as she and Baldilocks do, I don’t think she’d’ve minded at all.

        JEALOUSY took root BIG time when Harry and Meg fell deeply and *truly* in love.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        Love this theory as her behaviour towards Harry’s past girlfriends suggest that this might be the case. Maybe Harry drew the line and called her out on her bitchiness towards Meghan? I suspect that it must have taken a lot for her to take flowers and a note round to Meghan after her meltdown over the dress/tights. It might be worth investigating.

      • Lizzie says:

        I think she is conceited and desperate for Harry to admire her. Then came the love of his life and she saw he never gave her a second glance.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        I’m really getting tired of the whole “Kate and Harry were soooooo close.” Really? Because when I see them in public, I see Harry being a gentleman. That’s it. I doubt he’s pleased with all of these Middleton articles trying to make this narrative stick. I keep waiting, because at some point someone will ask a question that he can answer honestly that will indicate Kate wasn’t someone he knew very well. Because I don’t think he was hanging out with the C’s when they weren’t doing some royal duties. Think about it. Harry was in the service, and afterwards even though he was working on things together under their Royal Foundation, I really don’t think he was spending his free time with them. Be careful Ma Middleton, because I don’t think you want to try Harry too far.

  4. Sofia says:

    Well of course she’s loyal to William. And it’s not just the “well durrrrr he’s her husband!!!” but that plays a big part I’m sure. It’s also because Kate wants to be Queen and her marriage to William is how she gets there. So she won’t go against him even in the slightest because she’s got her eyes on the prize and knows what she needs to do/say to get it. Same with the Midds. Yes he’s their son/brother-in-law but he’s their ticket to the throne.

    So what I’m saying is that yes Kate and her family are loyal to William because she’s married to him. That’s a big part. But there’s also the part of not wanting to do anything that will mess with becoming “Queen Catherine”.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Exactly. Now, more than ever she needs to cling tighter to him like the wisteria she is. If William goes down, she goes down and her life’s work of wanting to be queen will be over. Plus Ma Middleton et al have also hitched their wagon to her so Kate is forever stuck and at the mercy of William the Incandescent.

    • Steph says:

      I know there will be title changes, but other than that, what are the perks of her becoming Queen Consort that she isn’t getting now?

      • Kitty says:

        @Steph NOTHING! She hasn’t garnered respect so it won’t magically happen when she becomes Queen.

      • L84Tea says:

        I know one of the #1 perks is that everyone will have to bow and curtsey to her. It sounds silly, but you know deep down Kate is looking forward to everyone–the York sisters, ROSE, aristos, everyone–having to do it.

      • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

        Real question here: We all know about the amended “rules” about “Blood Princess” and curtseying. But won’t Kate STILL have to curtsey to the Yorks when she is NOT WITH William? Her only status as QC is when they are in the same room together. Remember, Cammy STILL has to curtsey to Anne when she’s not with Chuckie. So wouldn’t it be the same for Keen Katie?

      • EllenOlenska says:

        (TheOG) Jan90067 I bet Kate will make sure she’s never in a situation where she has to curtsy to anyone but Charles or William…

      • Elizabeth says:

        The OG — I can’t imagine any circumstance under which a queen consort would bow or curtsy to anyone else (other than the actual sovereign of course).

      • Royalwatcher says:

        OG Jan – I’ll bet PWT will just amend those rules right back to force everyone to curtsey to Keen, whether alone or with him. The amended rules were just written by the queen, so I would assume Charles and then PWT can change them to whatever they prefer (actually, I’ll bet Charles changes them so Anne et al have to curtsey to Cam when she becomes QC).

      • RoyalBlue says:

        everyone must now bend the knee. she has sold her soul for the tiara and the reverence.

      • equality says:

        @Royalwatcher I wonder if that happened if Anne would decide it was time to retire from royal “work”.

      • anotherlily says:

        in reply to (The OG) Jan90067 : The royal family do not bow/curtsy to each other. Ever. That’s a fantasy. The untitled royals never bow/curtsy to their titled cousins. They all, titled or untitled, bow/curtsy only to the Queen and Prince Philip. The amended order of precedence affects how they line up in a processional on private occasions and where they are seated e.g. for a formal dinner. Also, the York sisters were never included in the order of precedence. The main effect of the changes are to give precedence to the Queen’s daughter and the Queen’s cousin Princess Alexandra.

    • GRUEY says:

      Call me a thick American but what is so freaking great about the throne?? My mom once made me watch one of those fluffy documentaries about a day in the life of the Queen when I was like 22. All I wanted to do was take a nap. It’s one formal ceremony after another all day long. Even at the time (like 15 yrs ago) I was like, that blond Prince wants to do this????

      • Lorelei says:

        @Gruey I could have *sworn* that in some joint interview with Harry a few years back, even William agreed that NO ONE “wanted” the “top job.” I don’t have the best memory but I swear to god I think he said something along those lines and I wish I could remember where and find it.

        He has some nerve acting all outraged at Harry’s comment about him being trapped, because we all know he agrees.

      • Cari says:

        On his gap year, other teenagers were talking about what they wanted to do with their life. William said well you all know I have to be king and to be honest I’m not interested. The person said “we all felt sorry for him”.

    • Babz says:

      Every time I read stories about the Middletons, especially Carole, I’m reminded of the Boleyns. They were a power hungry family, too, always pushing one of their daughters at Henry VIII. The older daughter, Mary, was his mistress, and gave him a child, the son he always wanted, but because he was illegitimate, the baby couldn’t be his heir. They were successful with Anne, but we all know how that ended. Once she was gone, the family was stripped of all their power and influence, and were disgraced. I get the same Machiavellian vibes from Carole, the way she orchestrated all this. She won’t go down without a fight, and is probably constantly impressing on Kate that she needs to do whatever it takes to achieve that FFQC status. She knows if Baldimort divorces her daughter, it’s all over for the entire family. And I’m always wondering where Mike Middleton is in all this. You never hear one word about him. He shows up for photos at society weddings and at Wimbledon, but that’s it. He must be really good at ignoring Carole when she’s in meddling mode.

      • MissF says:

        Problem with the Middletons is that Kate succeeded where Anne Boleyn didn’t. She had an heir (completely archaic I know). Baldilocks is stuck with Kate’s family forever because they have their claws into the throne via George.

      • Maria says:

        People do draw a lot of parallels between the Boleyns and Middletons and maybe there are some. Part of their rise to prominence in the first place is because Thomas Boleyn made his way at court through the actual skill he manifested at languages and diplomacy. Maybe Mike is similar, who knows.
        But I think it’s not quite the same.
        The Boleyns were always aiming for good marriages for their daughters, not to push them in front of the King (and a good marriage was what you aspired to as a woman then, not an unused History of Art degree gathering dust so you can go spend an hour in the Clarence House gym every day as with “courtship” Kate). There is no evidence Mary Boleyn’s child was Henry VIII’s. Much has been made of court factionalism at the time yet the avarice of the Boleyns is something people who hated their religious leanings as a court party embellished.
        My point being, Anne Boleyn was far more interested in good works, religious reform, having an identity than Kate ever has been.
        Furthermore she had to involve herself in court politics and try to hang on to stay alive.

        Kate’s not going to get executed because of some court coup if William decides he’s tired of her (though as someone else pointed out she has provided the necessary heir and spare). But she’s decided to sell her life to this situation anyway.

      • Original Jenns says:

        Sorry, history buff here, but that it absolutely NOT the Boleyn’s story! However, if we wanted to be petty and judgy, we could like the Middleton’s to the Woodvilles. They definitely made the best of their connection to Edward IV, and made as many marriages as possible 🙂

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Here’s a thought . . . what if Keenie is waiting for Charles to become King so that Willileaks has a lot more lolly. Then she could divorce him with a tidy sum at hand. If she has half a brain (debatable) that’s what she should do and get a life for herself.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      “will always lie with her husband” — well, Nichols got something correct for once.

  5. Kalana says:

    The delicate white woman has to be protected by the angry white man.

    I’ve seen Kate described as a survivor. At the end of the day, her money and status comes from William. Her loyalties are with whatever makes her life easiest.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Kalana: Kate, a SURVIVOR? Of what?! Some chipped nail polish one day? You have got to be kidding me.

      • Kalana says:

        I don’t think it was easy to marry into that family or carve out any boundaries. Kate wanted the status of being Prince William’s wife and actively participated in and survived all the dysfunction needed to accomplish that. But I’m not saying I respect Kate’s particular accomplishments or would want someone to emulate them because so much of it is extremely dysfunctional.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Kalana oh okay now I see how you meant it.

        I guess then technically it’s true, but she really is doing the bare minimum of “surviving.” Sure she’s got the ring and the title, but she’s so clearly unhappy, trapped, voiceless, and painfully thin. And she probably bears the brunt of William’s constant fury behind closed doors.

        But every time I start to feel any sympathy for her, I’m reminded that this is what she wanted and chose, continues to choose every day by staying in the situation, and of how she treated Meghan — and that shred of sympathy evaporates quickly.

      • Kalana says:

        Once we could see that Kate was an active participant in harassing Meghan, any sympathy I felt for Kate disappeared as well. Kate is fully complicit because of her ego and as a way to bond further with the other Windsors. Sophie even clearly saw freezing out Meghan as a way to bond with Kate. I was just looking at Kate’s motivations.

        Meghan was right though. It’s not enough just to survive, you have to thrive and I don’t see that with Kate.

      • Mac says:

        Are you kidding? Kate has everything she wanted. Money, title, houses, kids, coat dresses, few work expectations, and enormous praise when she bothers to lift a finger. And, with Meghan out of the picture, expectations can remain low.

      • Kalana says:

        @Mac. She hates the role that gave her that title, I think the gossip that she and William live apart may be true, she’s not accepted by the toffs. She has her kids and money and family, and William and the Windsors, and no scapegoat to throw under the bus the next time she need to pretend she’s perfect.

    • Midnight@theOasis says:

      It’s truly disgusting that what’s being glossed over is that the white Karen knew and supported a lie against Meghan for TWO YEARS! That gets left out of these stories about the fragile white princess who needs protecting. This woman allowed another woman be lied, smeared and painted as a villainess for something she did!

      Also, there’s a picture of the Keenbridges at some event and they’re staring into each other’s eyes like H&M. The copying is pathetic.

      • Amy Too says:

        Constantly leaving out the context of the “Kate made Meghan cry”’ thing is infuriating to me. The whole point of Meghan answering questions about that was to correct the story that she made Kate cry and then to point out that stories in the tabloids were often completely twisted and backwards if not just purely made up, and that no one ever corrected them or allowed her to do so. But all these RRs just say something like “in the interview, Meghan accused Kate of making her cry before the wedding,” as if it’s not even connected to the original Meghan made Kate cry story. They are very careful to leave out the “…finally correcting a story that had been repeated for years—and that the palace refused to deny or allow her to respond to—that claimed Meghan made Kate cry,” that should be inserted at the end of every “Meghan accused Kate of making her cry…” sentence. I find it so frustrating.

        Because without the context, people can say “well maybe they both cried! Maybe Meghan made Kate cry and then she cried when Kate got upset.” Or “well maybe there was one time where Meghan made Kate cry and then a separate time where Kate made Meghan cry.” Or “well it’s pretty convenient that she’s now claiming that she also cried. Why didn’t she say something before?”

    • Nic919 says:

      Remaining silent when a false story is used against your sister in law makes you a conniving bitch not a survivor. The mean girl got exposed and there are no justifications for what she did.

      • Kalana says:

        Or both if that kind of horrible behavior gets you what you want in that family. We’re not talking about good people here who care about doing the right thing. I’m not using the term survivor to praise or defend Kate.

        Kate anchors herself to other people (Carole/William). William is clearly in way over his head and only gets by because he’s protected as an heir, and Carole is a ghoul who plants stories about the Middleton blood to lean into the racism. And Kate is a racist and petty meangirl who wants praise for dressing herself.

  6. Lorelei says:

    OMG how can’t they see that these constant, daily “updates” are only making the situation worse? Has there been one day since Oprah’s interview aired that they have all just STFU?

    • Becks1 says:

      RIGHT???? Just shut up! Yes this interview was big, yes the fallout is going to go on for a while, but my god, you dont have to go out of your way to keep it in the news cycle yourselves! SUCH a bad look for them.

      Also – lol at the closeness between Kate and Harry being pushed again.

      • Lorelei says:

        They just can’t help themselves…they’re so consumed with the Sussexes. It’s so sick and disturbing at this point. It’s gone beyond people like Piers Morgan and now even the palace can’t STFU.

    • February-Pisces says:

      The best thing they could have done is lay low and stay low for some time. Remember when Kim outed Taylor, Taylor stayed quite for about a year after that, and it seemed to have worked for her. But these royals really don’t have any common sense. Their pr doesn’t really know how to handle an actual crisis because they have always had harry and Meghan to use as their human shields instead. They keep jumping from one pr disaster to another of their own making,

      • Elizabeth says:

        I don’t really remember Taylor staying THAT quiet about it, I think, she made her next record about it. I also felt sympathy for Taylor though because Kanye definitely went for her image with his song and his wax nudes, so I may be remembering incorrectly. Plus the Kardashians are so freaking problematic on their own. Ugh.

      • February-Pisces says:

        @elizabeth before Kim leaked the tape she was all over the place showing off with her girl squad. After that she laid low for atleast a year. She knew every interviewer would have asked her about it, and she didn’t have a proper answer, she got caught trying to pull a fast one. Anyway my point is Taylor did the right think laying low for a long time, as she allowed for the dust to settle.

    • clomo says:

      Sure are complaining and explaining a lot for being such superior beings. Meghan’s journey could be parallel to Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz when looking at the symbolism and certain storylines. She peeked behind the curtain and she realized it was a farce and took to the air to go home.

      • Lorelei says:

        I swear to god, after last week, if they EVER try to claim that their “mantra” is still “Never complain, never explain,” it will be laughable (well, moreso than it already was).

        Maybe it was true at some time decades ago, but it hasn’t been in a long time and they need to drop it because it makes them sound beyond ridiculous when they can’t go a single day without doing both.

        If I knew how to use Photoshop, I’d make one of those little “0 days since we’ve complained or explained” to use as a reply to this nonsense when they try it on Twitter.

    • Farfromreality says:

      Yeah. The night of the interview people on Twitter were saying, oh well expect the Royal Family to issue and apology etc. But those of us here (I have been lurking on y’all for years, you’ve kept me sane) knew better. The Royal Family, or their staff, are incapable of basic PR.

      The easy thing would have been to issue a statement, not the one they did, but one saying: So sad to hear this was their experience. We take these kinds of complaints seriously and intend to investigate.

      Then they could say nothing again for years.

      • Lorelei says:

        @FarFromReality: EXACTLY. But of course they do the exact opposite of what the best course of action would have been.

        What’s so funny/unbelievable to me is that it’s not like CB is even some dedicated message board for PR professionals or anything. We’re all just random people from all over the world and all walks of life and every one of us here can generally come up with a better plan in about five minutes than whatever this family does, even when they have every possible resource available, as much time as they want to craft any given response, and teams of professionals working around the clock for them when needed. And they still fck it up every time. It’s so pathetic.

        Also: welcome! I hope you keep commenting : )

  7. Zapp Brannigan says:

    She may have always been loyal but he has been sceptre deep in any woman that would have him, who are they trying to fool. We see you.

  8. Izzy says:

    I have no doubt that Carole Jenner wanted Harry to fall for Pippa, and he was having none of that.

    • Nic919 says:

      He made sure to issue a press release to deny it too. That was awesome.

      • Merricat says:

        It really was awesome. Lol.

      • A Guest says:

        And it humiliated both Carol and Pippa. Pippa then tried it with George Percy, heir to the Dukedom of Northumberland. There was another aristocratic heir too. Her title chasing was all for naught.

        That’s got to leave a mark.

    • MF1 says:

      Yup. Then Harry fell in love with Meghan, and that pissed off Carole because she knew that beautiful, smart, glamorous Meghan would easily outshine her daughter.

    • February-Pisces says:

      She did try and make it happen. I remember reading tea about how Pippa was literally stalking harry after the Keens wedding. He wanted nothing to do with her. Ma even leaked that they were dating, and harry was so mad he actually issued a denial. He only does that when he’s really mad. Talk about the ultimate rejection, poor Pippa lol. I think Ma was just trying to up Pippa’s stock cos she was getting rejected left, right and centre by all the eligible aristo men. Then I think Ma leaked something about how harry isn’t good enough for Pippa because he doesn’t have their ‘good manners’ or something like that. When Meghan and harry went public, I think Ma tried to say Meghan looks like Pippa, which is why he likes Meghan.

      Ma is so f*cking desperate. She really thought her two dull daughters were great prizes.

    • ennie says:

      That melanin Meg has is natural, unlike the Pippa fried look.

  9. Belli says:

    “Kate has always remained loyal to William despite how close she was to Harry.”

    This is some weird phrasing. It’s not just me, right?

    It really makes it sound like Kate prefers Harry to William (understandable) and we’ve often thought that she had a bit of a crush, but they’re really trying to hammer home that Kate is a loyal wife. Maybe Carole is laying the groundwork for betrayed, ever-faithful Kate if the gardening story comes out.

    • Becks1 says:

      It is weird phrasing, because you would expect someone to be loyal to their spouse, and here its like “well she’s still loyal to her husband DESPITE this”.

    • SwirlmamaD says:

      Exactly…like, ummm…of course her loyalties should lie with her husband??? My BIL and I are friendly enough when we get together, but I’m not calling him to shoot the sh*t or anything like that, or having long in-depth hangout sessions without my husband’s presence. This is just bizarrely creepy, the way the are framing this.

      • Ginger says:

        This all sounds very one sided with Kate. Harry really doesn’t seem that close to Kate. He said himself that he doesn’t see them that often. He used to talk to her at events because he wanted someone to talk to, that’s all.
        Ever since he married Meghan he has barely spoken to Kate at events. This is all in Kate’s or Carole’s head. Carole sounds like she wanted Kate with Harry instead.

    • MF1 says:

      Yeah, it sounds like Kate had to resist having an affair with Harry, which… no one’s gonna believe that story.

    • Blue says:

      That’s intentional phrasing if you asked me. I think it’s the press firing silent warning shots

      • Babz says:

        I think you’re right. Early on, after Will and Kate’s marriage, I kind of thought Harry might have been in love with her himself. But then more and more pictures would come out, showing that she seemed really into him and he looked uncomfortable. I realized he was treating her like a well-loved sister, but for her, it might have been something different. When he and Meghan went public, it was obvious that he was head over heels in love with her, and what he had shown with Kate was completely different and innocent. I will never believe that his love of Meghan – and his enthusiasm in showing it – didn’t crush Kate, and that it might have planted the first seeds of jealousy in her. Seeing how beautiful and intelligent and compassionate Meg was only made her even more jealous. That mean girl competitiveness shifted into high gear, and still hasn’t stopped. And the press saw it. Yeah, shots have been fired.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        I can’t recall Harry ever appearing to be more than polite with Kate. And he’s stated the type he likes which is nothing like Kate.
        She however appeared infatuated with someone that showed kindness.

    • betsyh says:

      My first thought was that she does like Harry, but she betrayed him by not denying that Meghan made Kate cry story. The way this is worded suggests she didn’t deny it because William wouldn’t let her. (But it’s likely I’m overanalyzing this.)

      • Lorelei says:

        @BetsyH this family is so conniving and manipulative that I don’t think it’s even possible to overanalyze them and their actions, lol.

      • betsyh says:

        Hahaha Lorelei! You are right!

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        That was my take as well. Kate is defending herself by implying she couldn’t tell the truth about the crying story because William didn’t want her to. This article is throwing William under the bus to defend Kate. The Middletons should be very careful about this type of story. They may think they are William’s “escape” (although, if William is not “trapped” then why does he need an escape?). But William is fickle and will turn on the Middletons in a heartbeat.

      • windyriver says:

        As I recall, it was actually Meghan in the interview who left the impression Kate may have had the same issue she did, in having difficulty getting a corrected story out there, because of staff, courtiers, whoever. (Whether or not Meghan totally believed that, it’s my recollection of what she said.). Between that and saying that Kate was a good person, she gave Kate a huge boost, which is why keeping her mouth shut after the interview would have been Kate’s best course. After Kate going with how she was mortified by what Meghan said, and feeling attacked by her, it’s a little late to backtrack to a version of the previous story.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I think kate has always crushed on harry. I think keen stans do have a weird fantasy of harry being in love with Kate. Kate and her stans are mad he has a hot wife, who’s not only really attractive and charismatic, but smart and successful too. A lot of women know they can never compete with Meghan or come anywhere close to her level. Kate in the other hand is dull, boring, lazy and has never worked a day in her life. Women who are just like keen want to be noticed by men like harry, but seeing that he has no interest in them hurts their fragile egos.

      That is why they are so desperate to defeat Meghan and prop Kate up. If harry found kate sexually attractive, them maybe he would be interested in them too.

  10. Cecilia says:

    “Kate has been there for William recently, especially after his conversations with Harry didn’t go too well“ im sorry but isn’t this what a wife is supposed to do? Be there for her husband? Why are they making it out to be like its finding the cure to cancer or something.

    And am i the only one who gets nauseous when i read these kind of articles. Its way too sugary.

  11. JT says:

    Is this a surprise? Were people expecting Kate to be more loyal to her not-husband over the Other Brother? She has own damn man. Of course she’s ride or die for him. How else will she get the crown? This is just giving me shades of the secret affair nonsense that people push. How sad is it that people just know that the Other One is not enough of a prize that they have to create a secret affair with the Better Brother? Even when your man is the future king. Embarrassing.

    Carol’s probably still mad that Harry shut down all those Pippa rumors so quick. Lol.

    • Mila says:

      Sounds like they were and it turns out kate and Carole felt that she was closer to him than her husband…

      • notasugarhere says:

        It is just an attempt, again, to manufacture a relationship between Harry and Kate. They have never been close, but Kate stans insist Harry is secretly in love with her, fighting with his brother over William cheating on Kate (LOL), etc.

        Harry has always been polite and cordial to her. That’s it. There is no ‘relationship’.

    • ABritGuest says:

      I think there was a Fail article posted here the other day that suggested Meghan’s jealousy at Kate’s closeness with Harry (lol). Some projection there methinks.

      I think the Sussexes’ relationship bothered many in the palace as apart from racist/classist/xenophobic disdain for Meghan, Harry said his relationship came first so he maybe wasn’t as available to others as before.

  12. LadyE says:

    Kate provided the strongest receipt against herself re: the crying story and should learn the lesson and stop trying to spin the press. She could have (dishonestly) hid behind it was all “sources” and oh! who knows who is spreading this story, EXCEPT for the Tatler article. That article, despite going off the rails due to the Turnip Toffs’ being catty, included the crying story and that inclusion was approved by Kate and Kensington Palace. And the crying story was explicitly not objected to when she freaked out and identified “lies” in the article. Challenged claims about her mom, her sister, and herself, but didn’t object to the Meghan made her cry part. That she would dare claim to be “mortified” after showing her hand in the Tatler article is just beyond obnoxious and I wonder if Meghan regrets saying that Kate is a good person.

    • Sure says:

      I took another look at the Tatler article as it currently appears online and it doesn’t state explicitly that Meghan made Kate cry. Instead words like “incident” and “row” are strategically used to remind readers (as if they could forget) of the original Sun headline. I’m not sure whether the original article stated that Meghan made Kate cry. If it didn’t then does that mean that Anna Pastetnak knew that Meghan hadn’t made Kate cry at the dress fitting. Seems to me she missed a genuine breaking news story.

      • LadyE says:

        You’re right! My comment made it sound more explicit than it was. But, I look at it like if there was a story that I punched you that everyone believed and actually you punched me. If you then spoke about an upsetting “incident”, to me that is feeding the I punched you false story, even if you don’t say that yourself because it’s the accepted context of the “incident”. Kate had control over what topics were covered in the Tatler story (again noting that it went off the rails haha!) and the fact that she or her mom didn’t say that topic is off the table says a lot about her showing her hand, I think. She could have remained with plausible deniability about being a part of pushing the false story, despite never correcting it. But, she let it be included and that, the fact that she had control of the story and allowed it to be included at all, is her providing the receipt on herself.

        I totally agree about Anna missing a story, but I don’t think the press was looking for the truth at all on that story, they liked their lie the way it was because it sold better.

      • February-Pisces says:

        Kate has been outed atleast 3 times trying to purposely ruin meghans reputation. Firstly there was the commercial plain stunt, staging those photos only to discover that they had to fly out 3 empty commercial planes for it.

        Then the Tatler article, where she threw Meghan under the bus, but claiming she and harry threw the Cambs kids under the bus cos kate can’t do the school run. Tatler outed Kate and KP by making it public knowledge that they collaborated with that story.

        Then there’s the dress fitting incident. Well we all know what happened there, and again kate has been outed.

        Plus all the deposition details about their staff leaking about her and harry.

        Seriously how are people still defending kate? It’s like they are in denial and are determined to believe she’s ‘nice’, because ‘nice’ is all she had. There’s nothing nice about her, so what does she have left.

  13. Eleonor says:

    This family is sick.

  14. sandy says:

    this is so weird. they make it sound like kate was closer to harry than william? it’s like carole wants to float that old weird idea that kate and harry had something… which clearly could not be more false.

    • Mila says:

      Exactly… like wtf

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      I said it up above and I’ll say it again. If Carole/Kate keep this up, Harry’s going to get mad and make some statement that will flatten them. It won’t be pretty, but it will get the job done. They cannot believe that he will stand by and let them intimate that he and Kate were a thing? Nope, not seeing it.

  15. Merricat says:

    Ugh, this fiction that she was “close” to Harry is absurd, at best. Harry is a gentleman, and kind; that’s pretty much the extent of their relationship. And no loyalty to William caused her face to curdle like poisoned cream at the Commonwealth even last year. The Middletons are delusional if they think they’re fooling anyone beyond the zealots.

    • HeatherC says:

      Even if she was close to Harry she shat that bed when she decided to mean girl his wife.

      • Merricat says:

        Yes. Harry tried to welcome Kate into the family, but she did not return the gesture when it came to his wife. She can’t blame it on William; we saw her face on too many occasions.

  16. Tiffany says:

    But don’t spouses/partnerships require a little loyalty.

    Not, ‘this person is a serial killer and I have to stay’ loyal but more, ‘this person thinks they are the funniest person in the room and I will continue to laugh’ loyal.

    After 20 years together, you would think they are loyal to one another in some aspects and it is expected.

    That story just reads weird.

  17. Mila says:

    The fact that they needed to say this means they don’t believe it at all lmaooo! like what do they mean ‘ even though she was ‘close’ (he’s just a nice and courteous person) with her brother in law her loyalty lies with her husband’ 😳😫 like isn’t expected! Wtf is going on here!

    As a side note I also like how they DIDN’T say William is loyal to his wife – Carole is always preparing her narratives incase things go wrong 🙂.

  18. equality says:

    What happened to Kate the peacemaker? If their marriage were equal Kate could disagree with him and perform some useful function in showing him that he is behaving badly. Or perhaps she is just like him and petty enough (or jealous given her “extreme” closeness to Harry) to turn on Harry. Neither is a good look if you are a decent person at all.
    So Carole is now bringing up the children? I guess, the nanny can go then. If the same were said of how Doria helps out the spin would be terrible.
    When has the Queen been other than just cordial to the Middletons? Has she had them to the family Christmas dinner or Ascot or anything?

    • MsIam says:

      This is to counter the “Meghan has the queen’s personal phone number” story. I bet Carole was jealous as hell when that picture with the Queen, Phillip , the Sussexes, Archie and Doria came out. It was such a nice, intimate, family moment as opposed to a formal christening picture. Of course Carole has to jump in and say “Whataboutmeeee!” even though for years the stories were that the royal family couldn’t stand the Middletons. You notice it didn’t say Prince Charles welcomed them with open arms, lol.

      • swirlmamad says:

        So true…..there was no candid family photo like that with the Middletons, Queenie & Phillip when any of the Cambridge kids were born. I’m sure Carole was spitting green envy fire over that one.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The army of nannies plus Granny Carole. She wants to manipulate the next generation too. She’s always been overly-involved in the W&K relationship, now she’s overly-involved with the grandkids too. Still waiting to see if she does end up buying a place in Norfolk as the talk suggested a few months ago.

      • Bess says:

        On one hand, I kind of fell bad for Pippa because the “royal” grandkids will always be more important to Carole than her kids. On the other hand, Carole ‘s values are screwed up and the less time spent with a person like that the better.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        notasugarhere, can they afford that? I’m always left with a hangers on vibe when I think of the Middletons and not the affluent Middletons. Who would be buying the house for them?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Shady Uncle Gary, as William has likely already paid for their current home. And he isn’t the one who would want her closer; she’d be moving to keep an eye on William and his wandering.

        Bess, Pippa’s values aren’t any better. She slept her way through the aristocracy, trying to get one to marry her. She seems desperate to be some kind of influencer. She settled for a non-titled, ‘moderately wealthy’ man who was waiting around for her to fail. Gives him the upper hand in the relationship, because he already knows no man in The Set would want her if they divorced.

  19. Noki says:

    Kate really came out smelling like roses due to the Meghan backlash. Did she forget how cruel the press were to her for years. Had Meghan been some blonde blue eyed aristo with the same work ethic and charisma ,Kate would have felt more wrath from the press.

  20. Mila says:

    This is VERY incestuous, I’m glad Harry got out of there! 🤢

  21. Ang says:

    William “insisted that they [the BRF] team them [in-laws] well”. So, that’s a thing? Insisting that extended family be treated well? Hmm.

  22. Nic919 says:

    Harry treated Kate like he does anyone else when they were at engagements but she was so desperate for affection since William constantly ignored her, that she embarrassed everyone with her obvious fawning over Harry for a few years. Someone collected a fair amount of photos where she’s ignoring William at engagements to stare at Harry and you can tell that Harry isn’t even looking at her in most of them.

    Harry said he barely knew Kate once the engagement was announced and the brothers were living separate lives, as adult siblings tend to do. The Middletons tried to create this closeness that never existed with Kate. And we can see how made up it was when he was first seen publicly with Meghan and how he really acts around someone he cares about.

    • notasugarhere says:

      This exactly, Nic919.

    • S808 says:

      Exactly and he’s barely looked in her direction since Meghan came along. I remember their last engagement when Meghan was pregnant and they were leaving, I think Kate was trying to say something to him and he basically made a “get in the car” gesture so he could get home to his pregnant wife. He’s civil with her because he’s a mature adult but that’s the extent of it.

      • Nic919 says:

        I know what event you are talking about and I am wondering if the false story about Meghan making Kate cry had come out by then. If would fit that he would be snippy with Kate knowing that she either planted the false story about Meghan or at best failed to correct it.

      • Oh says:

        No, that story about Meghan made Kate cry had come out in November 2018. That event was in April 2019. He should have stayed with his pregnant wife instead of attended that useless event with the CEO.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Harry was doing his job, that’s what he was supposed to be doing. ANZAC Day Service of Commemoration and Thanksgiving at Westminster Abbey in April 2019. Harry and the Duke of Gloucester were appropriate, Kate spent the time macking on Harry and posing for cameras.

      • Nic919 says:

        If the false story had come out in November 2018 and still hadn’t been corrected by April 2019, Harry could still be pissed that Kate failed to correct it. Since it was a military event Harry would have normally attended and in this case Kate was the tag along and didn’t belong.

      • ennie says:

        yeah, she was made to stay behind the royal princes Harry and his uncle, when sitting and when going out, Harry and the duke of Gloucester were in front doing their thing and she was behind as she only has preference when being with her husband.
        he only politely deferred to her when they were going in. I think she was kind of pissed. This protocol s*ckers who were crying because of Meghan’s nails should have been pissed at how Kate had to stay in her lane.

  23. Over it says:

    I feel like I should be sending Carole a congrats note of bullshit to party pieces to let her know we read her piece. Also funny how baldimort can insist that the royals treat common Carole and her leeches properly but could not give a shit about his own brother and the brother wife and their children. Also we know Kate stands by him , be it when he cheats or screams, what else is she supposed to do? She decided being his waity to the end of time is her duty. Aka doormat Middleton

  24. TheOriginalMia says:

    These articles are embarrassing on a number of levels. They lower the bar so much for Kate. It’s like she’s a toddler taking her first steps. They make her out to be emotionally unsatisfied in her own marriage that she formed an unhealthy attachment to her brother in law. Oh, and saying she’s supporting William now as opposed to before. What does that mean? Hints of martial discord or antipathy in their marriage? Is that the image they are going for with the FFQC? Because…yikes.

    I agree with you, Kaiser. I’ve never gotten the impression Carole actually likes Harry. Not since he killed that Harry/Pippa flirtation story. Nipped that in the bud and let all know he would never with Pippa. Ha! She hates Meghan because Meghan exists and breathes, which overshadows Kate. Can’t have the black woman overshadowing her daughter. Carole would have leaked and schemed against Harry’s wife, but it’s takes on a decidedly different tenor because of Meghan’s race. Not surprising that birds of a feather flock together. William is a racist. Kate is a racist. Ma Middleton is a racist.

  25. Harla says:

    “Kate has been there for William recently…” this reads like she hasn’t been been there for him before, which begs the question “ where has she been”? Is this confirming that they don’t spend much time together or that William doesn’t turn to Kate when he’s dealing with his issues? A very interesting commentary on their marriage, imho.

    • swirlmamad says:

      She’s been ensconced decidedly separate from him at Anmer Hall with the kids, while he’s off living his wannabe-bachelor life who knows where. That “been there for William RECENTLY” was a really sloppy slip of the pen.

  26. Anne K says:

    I’ve always wondered, is Kate in love with Harry? Was her wearing a white looking dress and making faces during the wedding, jealousy that Harry was marrying another woman?

    She seems to act like a jilted/scorned woman. Did she make Meghan cry because it was Harry marrying Meghan and not her? Angry and jealous that Harry loves Meghan so openly and so deeply

    • Belli says:

      I think the last one is a definite yes.

      William doesn’t wear a wedding ring. The story pushed was that royal men didn’t typically wear them. But Harry does.

      William doesn’t show affection. The story pushed was that he was stoic and it was unreal and against protocol to show his wife he loved her. But Harry does.

      Kate may have made her peace with William being cold and distant because he’s royal, but then along comes Meghan and Harry is shouting his adoration from the rooftops. So if it wasn’t because of royal rules, why did she have to put up with it? Add to that the affair story…

      • (The OG) Jan90067 says:

        Charles DOES wear a wedding ring of Welsh gold. His is worn on his pinky: first the wedding band, then the signet ring.

        I don’t believe PP ever wore one though.

      • notasugarhere says:

        William shows affection to other people, like his cousin Zara. He doesn’t show affection to Kate.

        William is the only one who doesn’t wear a wedding ring, jan90067. Andrew (when married), Philip, Edward, Mike Tindall, Charles all had/have them. Philip wore his with his signet ring for decades. He stopped wearing his rings a few years ago because of the arthritic swelling.

    • Ginger says:

      Since following Harry I have come to realize that everyone wants him. Kate, Pippa, royal reporters, etc. So many people lost their minds when Harry started dating Meghan.

  27. Cece says:

    This just reinforces that there was one set of rules for Meghan and another for everyone else. They told Meghan her friends couldn’t refute stories, yet here comes propagandist Middleton planting fairytales (which she did even before the marriage). And, she took it personally that Harry fell for Meghan because she was trying to stick him with lazy Pippa whose personality is less exciting than oatmeal. I mean, she couldn’t even stretch out the publicity from the wedding into 15 minutes! NBC was trying to groom her for a TV position but she was so bad they abandoned ship. So, yeah, Meghan was everything Pippa was not—interesting, self-made, good on TV, smart, beautiful and magnetic—and for all of Carol’s machinations they couldn’t nab Harry.

  28. Merricat says:

    It’s sad that the Middletons think this makes Kate look good.

  29. Cait says:

    Limpets are good at clinging. Waity will always be there for Willy.

  30. Yoyo says:

    When they leaked the phone calls between Charles, William and Harry it was to appear as they were trying to say they were cordial, but Harry blew the lid off by saying they were unproductive.
    Watch out William and Charles, Harry is not putting up with your leaks anymore. For the youngest, he has proven to be more of a man than his father or brother.

  31. Mich says:

    Yeah. She was so “close” to Harry that she helped torture his suicidal wife. I will never, ever get over that FlyBe stunt and the absolute maliciousness of it.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Me either. It totally exposed them for the petty assholes they are. #receipts

      • Mich says:

        Worse than “petty”, it exposed them as deeply cruel people.

      • Ginger says:

        Whatever friendship Harry had for Kate went out the window. She was cruel to his wife. She never supported Meghan, never asked how she was, she let tabloid stories that painted her as a victim live and never corrected them, she was nasty to her at the Commonwealth service. If he had any nice feelings towards her they are gone. I don’t think he ever really liked her, though. He just put up with her. Carole knows who the better brother is and is trying to attach Kate to him.

    • kelleybelle says:

      True, that. Petty on the surface and deeply cruel inside. That stunt finished them for me too.

  32. Tessa says:

    The Kate and Will stans write things such as how happy the “three of them” were and how “Meghan ruined it.” I find that rather creepy. Kate and WIlliam did not need a the brother hanging around as a third wheel. And a man gets married and does not cling to his brother and sister in law.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Tessa their whole “Meghan ruined it!” obsession is creepy. It’s SO warped.

      Sometimes I wonder what these people’s true personal lives are like…many of them seem to be married but online 24/7 and they ALSO act as if they’re angry because Meghan ruined their chance with Harry…as if middle-aged Barb from Kentucky or whatever ever actually had a chance with Harry in the first place. It’s an incredibly bizarre “fandom” IMO.

      Dissertations could be written about the entire social media reaction from the day Meghan was first confirmed to be dating Harry up through the Oprah interview. The way “sides” were immediately taken, people who never cared about Kate were all of a sudden ride-or-die Cambridge fans, tons of people have accounts dedicated solely to propping up their favs or tearing down the other couple, the fact that even previously “respectable” reporters like Tominey got drawn into some of the crazier theories like “Meghan was never actually pregnant and Archie doesn’t exist,” PALACES buying Instagram followers…it’s all so bizarre.

      It’s all so fascinating to me; I’d never seen anything like it. Meghan got under people’s skin in a way that is unrivaled!

      • notasugarhere says:

        At least one PhD dissertation *has* been written about the press mistreatment of Meghan.

  33. Ainsley7 says:

    This is definitely a Carol power move. Weak William and perfect wife Kate are her go to. Here, she seems to be implying that Kate would side with Harry if she wasn’t such a loyal wife. Which is an interesting turn. Carol has fired warning shots at William before and I believe that’s what this is. Carol’s obsession with Kate getting the crown is centered on Diana and William is being much more of a Charles right now. She knows exactly what Will did and what is likely to happen if it gets out. I could totally see a scenario where all the dirt comes out about Will and they formally separate to save her reputation. They can always reconcile down the line. He really does need her more than she needs him. It’s that family image that helps keep the Royals on the throne. He can’t divorce her and expect to remarry. Sleeping with him was one thing, but only Kate was willing to marry him.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      “He really does need her more than she needs him.”

      Eh…I think she needs him at least equally as much. In the unlikely scenario that they divorce, what does Kate truly have beyond being the mother of a future king? She has no skills to speak of and no genuine connections among the aristocracy to exploit. Her appeal is only connected to her status as future Queen consort, and she only has that as long as she remains married. Any media connections she and Carole have will easily be bested by the monarchy’s invisible contract. She’d be destroyed if she tried to talk about her marriage like Diana, or if she and Carole tried to pull a Fergie. I think she’d most likely end up with a situation like Autumn’s in any case.

      • Lizzie says:

        No matter what he will be king of England – so no he doesn’t need her. At all.

      • Ginger says:

        She needs him more. Without him she would have to work and we all know how lazy she is. She could never work an actual job.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      William will be king no matter what. That’s how monarchies work. So he doesn’t “need” Kate, he WANTS Kate. Kate is the perfect doormat who will follow whatever William tells her to do, or not do. She will look the other way when William does whatever he feels like. She will never outshine him. Where else will he find someone like that?

      On the other hand, if they divorced, what would Kate get? The Middletons will no longer have access to what is going on behind the scenes, so they won’t be able to leak to the tabloids any more. Kate won’t be invited to any important people’s parties, as I get the impression none of them like her, and they look down on her. She probably signed a pre-nup, so she might not even be able to dish about what happened within the family before the divorce. She would move back to the Middleton home (without her children) and be quickly forgotten.

  34. Rapunzel says:

    This screams desperation. It’s like Kate is subtly trying to remind Wills that she could’ve taken Harry’s side in everything and totally ruined him (Wills), but didn’t. She was loyal, and even helped Wills against Harry, so Wills needs to be loyal too. Which begz the question: why does Wills need this reminder? Are/Were they closer to kaput than we thought? Is Kate begging Wills not to leave her?

  35. lanne says:

    The happiest I’ve ever seen Kate is when she was in a great black McQueen dress between Harry and William in tuxedos at an event. Here was Kate in her element: Queen to Be Queen Bee, center of attention, with the 2 most eligible men in the world around her. My guess is that Kate is the original Cool Girl who’s most important achievement is being approved of and worshipped by men. She has likely never had a chance to make friends with women that weren’t transactional in nature. She spent her university years living with a bunch of guys as the only woman, she saw any woman in her orbit as a threat. The only women she trusts are her mother and sister, and even her sister probably isn’t trusted that much.

    Her best hope for Harry would be that he would marry another middle class girl, one who wasn’t rich, or even fake-rich as she seems to be. A wet behind the ears girl from North of England who would be eager to please, not pretty enough to outshine her, and meek. That way, Kate could continue to shine as the taller, thinner, prettier, most aspirational woman and be the Fairest lady in the Land. Queen Bee? More like Evil Queen in Snow White, especially when Meghan comes along. Kate resents losing Harry’s presence in her orbit, and hates even more that she “lost” to a black woman. She absolutely cannot stand that a) Harry no longer orbits her and has a woman he loves (and loves with more tenderness and care than she has ever been shown) and b) that woman is better at Duchessing than Kate ever was. Kate has shown herself to be the petty, small-minded, mean-spirited Mean Girl we have all known her to be.

    In one sense, it’s understandable that she has taken this tack: the “there can only be one of us and it’s gonna be me” is a survival strategy employed by many women in a patriarchy (and why women can’t be too quick to trust other women in male-dominated fields at first). If she has chosen to be a mean girl, that means she has agency in her life, can make choices, and she’s living the life she chose for good and bad. If this is being imposed on her by her husband and his Band of Idiot Goons, then her life truly sucks. She’s the equivalent of a sentient blow-up doll. This is still a choice she can reject though, so while I can pity her for it, I’m not going to consider her a victim of it.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Lanne yes! I know exactly which photo you’re referencing and I used it as an example in a comment here last week when this topic came up. I don’t necessarily think Kate had any sort of romantic feelings for Harry, but she LOVED the dynamic of the three of them, of her in between the two princes. It’s just so obvious in photos from many different events, but that one in particular, she’s just *thrilled*.

      Obviously she knew on some level that Harry would eventually meet someone and get married, that this dynamic wouldn’t last forever — but Meghan was her absolute worst nightmare in terms of who Harry would end up with. I honestly don’t think it ever even occurred to her that Harry would marry someone who was so obviously superior to her in every way. She’s probably still in shock to some extent, lol.

    • Tessa says:

      That picture was weird. Harry should have been able to bring a date.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Kate craves male attention. I think it’s due to the lack of attention from boys growing up. I remember reading one of her fluff pieces about how ‘all the boys at school fancied her’ cos she was ‘perfect’ and I thought wft, who is she trying to kid. Thats the thing about Kate, she reveals a lot of her insecurities in her paid for fluff pieces. Her dream is to be the prettiest girl in any room, that when she walks in all the attention is on her. Except for the fact the aristocracy think she’s a joke and the public think she’s dull af. The only way Kate can be the prettiest woman in the room, is if she’s the only woman in there.

  36. Jay says:

    This seems to be responding to all of the (true) observations that Kate did, in fact, light up around Harry more than her husband, but that’s a strange thing to bring up now? Is Wills so dull that it’s news Kate won’t be choosing her married brother in law over her husband of ten years? You know, the other brother?

    Is Kate being made to pledge her loyalty or is this an attempt to recentre Kate in the middle of a weird “brother rivalry/triangle” (one that excludes Megs, of course). That’s my thinking. Maybe she misses her moment in the sun?

  37. aquarius64 says:

    Compare this Cambridge umbrella picture with the Sussexes’ one during their farewell tour in the rain. William is leaving Kate behind; Harry and Meghan were smiling at each other.

    If Kate had a side dude all hell would break loose. Billy would have grounds to dump Kate and the kids’ paternities would be questioned.

    • Lizzie says:

      Somebody had the Sussex pic next to Will and Kate last week when he was holding the umbrella only over himself. It was pretty funny.

  38. Shawna says:

    Are they trying to feed into those rumors that Harry and Kate are supposedly a great love story? If Carol Middleton knows that the tide is trending toward Harry, she would probably want to build up that romance with him, the hotter brother, but then say that Katie is the better woman for sticking by her man. Trying to make Kate romantic? And then if Wills divorces her, they’ve got a strong counternarrative ready against the Rosebush pruning story.

  39. MerlinsMom1018 says:

    Probably doesn’t matter at this point but where the hell is Dad Middleton?
    Fiddling around in the garden? Playing video games? Why doesn’t he rein in the wife? Is he THAT much of a wuss? Or is he just happy she’s not paying attention to him?
    I have questions

    • Lorelei says:

      I’ve always wondered what Michael Middleton thinks of all this!

    • Babz says:

      I posted something similar above. He is conspicuously absent in all of this. He’ll appear in photos at weddings, or at Wimbledon, or in formal photo shoots at christenings, and then disappears again. I have no doubt Carole rules that family, and he merely tries to stay out of her way, only showing up when she decrees that it’s absolutely necessary. He seems to be a nonparticipant in his own family as it pertains to the royals.

      • Jais says:

        Middleton dad makes me think of the father in Pride and Prejudice. Not that Kate and Pippa are the Bennett sisters but just in terms of the absent father and the mother making all the matchmaking moves. If the tabloids are gonna mine tropes for storylines, it might as well be a British author lol.

    • Sid says:

      MerlinsMom, I have wondered this myself. I know that if one of my parents were to act like Carole with the press leaks, coddling my jerk boyfriend/ husband, and other assorted nonsense, my other parent would have put a foot down a long time ago.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I imagine Carole and michaels marriage to be similar to kris and Bruce jenners marriage (pre Caitlin). When the jenners were married kris ran that family with an iron fist, whilst her husband sat back and let her get on with it, probably feeling neglected. I’m guessing Carole pretty much ignores whatever Michael says, just like kris. Glad Caitlin got her freedom in the end.

    • Nic919 says:

      There was talk that the Middletons have been unofficially separated for a while and that Mike has a girlfriend.

  40. Kfg says:

    They’re desperate. I think Baldilocks is about to put her butt out. She isn’t an asset. She failed to get positive press multiple times and can’t speak well or engage with people. Mama C knows if he gets rid of Kate she’s out on her butt and no more aristocratic associations or parties. This is her trying to make Kate a long suffering wife. It makes will look like a psycho.

    • Jess says:

      I don’t think he will ever kick her out. If anything, she would be the one to leave but she won’t. The backlash to a royal divorce would be INSANE, and to divorce someone who has no problem looking away from your poor behavior would be a huge mistake. He knows she’s in it for the long haul, and that allows him to project family man future king, while continuing to do whatever the eff he actually wants to do. Like Rose.

    • Bess says:

      Do you think anyone has even tried to get Kate professional help in terms of public speaking or making small talk?

    • Lizzie says:

      She is a dud but the public like her. He is free to see whomever he wants so I don’t see him putting her out at this point.

      • Kfg says:

        But the public don’t love Kate anymore and really don’t love her fake I care facade. The backslash she’s receiving is why will feels he needs to be more public. She’s not giving the middle class just like you with her expensive coats and complaints about not having enough help. Plus her big 5 questions thing was a waste of money. She can’t even learn how to communicate. He is blaming her for Harry and Meg popularity.

  41. Jess says:

    I think EVERYONE loved Harry in a way that they felt directly threatened by Meghan as if she was robbing them of him instead of viewing it as his own personal happiness (not to mention racism, which made it even easier in their minds). He strikes me as that chill and kind brother that didn’t give enough effs about stories in the press so he didn’t care if William used him to deflect, which made William able to see past the favorite grandson/royal/etc. Harry has that kind of charisma to me…the impossible to dislike in person kind. Then Meghan showed up and Harry was no longer available to the family like he was before. Because they are all narcissistic in nature, this was a threat instead of being happy that he found his happy like well adjusted adults would be. Meghan was already disrupting all the standards by daring to be black and an American, and now she dared to be the absolute center of Harry’s world. Sorry if this is circular…I’m struggling to brain today.

    Also Kate and Pippa were definitely obsessed with him…the younger, more attractive, nicer, funnier brother. Of course they were. I don’t doubt for a second that Kate thought they had something special and secret, like a non communicated “if it wasn’t for William, we’d be together” type thing while Harry is just a genuine person. People who don’t know genuine people (I’m looking at you Carole), often mistake that level of bonding or even friendship/family love and caring as attraction because they don’t know it outside of romantic love. I myself struggled to learn the difference through my entire 20s because I didn’t know that level of bonding growing up.

    But, IMO, when you take all this and shake it up in a royal and aristocratic setting, filled with sycophants and yes men, these “god picked us to be royals” don’t have the empathy or ability to see that Meghan could have been a best friend, or a confidante. She could have probably been their “second” Harry as far as bonding and the safety I assume they felt in Harry for decades. Instead she was an instant threat who was taking “their” Harry because they are all juvenile racist assholes.

    tl;dr Meghan and Harry were the best throng the royals had for the monarchy and probably for their personal lives and relationships and they chose to burn it instead.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Jess not circular at all imo— I understand what you’re saying and completely agree.
      It’s a very insightful take on the whole thing, and it makes so much sense.

    • Lizzie says:

      I think Kate is so conceited that she thought Harry was in love with her. As if.

  42. Jaded says:

    Kate and William are both emotionally stunted people. She was raised by a Kardashian wannabe and he was raised to be FFK, unfortunately without his mother for the most part and we all know that Charles will never win father of the year. They’re both completely unable to relate to people in a meaningful way because they simply don’t care. They are self-obsessed, arrogant and Wm especially has a chip on his shoulder the size of a boulder. Because they come nothing close to the Sussex’s level of smarts, compassion and focus, they have become consumed with jealousy and have made it their focus to tear them down in any way possible. What they don’t understand is that by doing so they are revealing what petty, horrible, selfish brats they are.

  43. Well Wisher says:

    William was already enraged that Harry married the woman he loved. Then came Carol’s envy towards Doria’s dignified presence and Kate’s jealousy. Briefing to the BTM ensued. The daily fail and Katie Nichols of vanity fair.
    Then Will gave himself to the Sun Times. The perfect storm resulting in the Sussexes choosing love and wellbeing.
    Meanwhile Will is raging, drinking and spending lots of money. Rose, the adult, is no longer there to soothe him, since Kate now requires love and affection. Two infantile adults with some power and an abyss of wants and needs and no one to bully, now have to work for Rothmere? and Murdoch without a scapegoat in sight.
    A perfect storm.
    Quietly BP eased Carol out. Her handlers in BTM demanded she be reinstated, hence the puff pieces.
    Infantile mean girl Kate and emotionally stunted Bill who cannot be socialized out of the terrible twos, moving beyond the allowed age of at least 28 , attached by marriage and ambitious Carol with her obsession with social status to the extent of real anxiety. What can go wrong?
    That marriage is stagnant. Something’s got to give. One cannot stand still while not ” putting a foot wrong”.
    Just a matter of time.
    As the saying goes every rope has an end.

    • Bess says:

      I think PWT knows that being a “normal family man” is his biggest strength in terms of his public image. If he can have his side pieces and Kate puts up with it because she wants to be Queen Consort, why wouldn’t they continue the charade for another fifty years or so.

  44. Lowrider says:

    Loyal to Bill the Bully despite her closeness to Harry?


    Kate and her Middleton family are sooo creepy.

  45. Vanessa says:

    This is just really ridiculously it’s clearly that anytime a man shows Kate any type of kindness she and her mother clearly mistakenly take it for something else . It’s embarrassing that kate has a crush on her brother in law thats what all theses stories are about Kate has a crush on Harry for years and is insanely jealous that Meghan has Harry heart and attention that they are happy and in love together .

  46. Keri says:

    So creepy stalker of William (Kate) who stalked the FFK for a decade (before he put a ring on it because every other woman he chased rejected him) turned her creepy stalker eyes on Harry and became unhinged when Meghan stepped onto the scene. Karen would have totally supported Harry but is loyal to William because she wants to be Queen. Got it. Thanks for the update pimp mama Middleton.

  47. Robin says:

    Imagine when Meghan turned up. For years Kate probably told herself she could have had either brother if she’d wanted, without realising Harry saw her as nothing but a sister in law. She is so un-grown.

    • Dee Kay says:

      “so un-grown” <– this is a great summary of immature people, I'm going to use it and cite you in the future, Robin.

      • Robin says:

        You’re welcome, Dee Kay. It’s something I’ve been trying to put my finger on for years. What is it about Kate Middleton that irks whenever she gets glowing press coverage? It’s because she is being worshipped for having no opinion and no sway, no independence or wish to do anything other than told, and not even the grace to realise how bitterly childish she looks when pulling faces at other people’s weddings or Commonwealth services. Totally un-grown.

  48. Phoenix says:

    “The Duchess of Cambridge has “been there” for her husband Prince William and “sympathises with his upset and anger” lol
    That’s a powerful opening. And William sounds more and more as an abusive partner.
    I wonder if the Queen ever reads these sh*tty tabloids. Is she aware how the Middletons are using her name lol

  49. JanetDR says:

    So let me see if I have this straight. They want it known that Kate was/is in love with Harry but doesn’t screw around on her husband?! I have very confused emotions* about this but mostly just bemused.
    *verging from hysterical laughter to almost pity, but I can’t get to pity because of how horribly Meghan was treated.

  50. Midge says:

    Kate suddenly copying Meghan’s hair is next level single white female.

  51. Emily_C says:

    So to try to make Kate good, they’ve pushed that:

    1) She cried at her sister-in-law about children’s tights on her sister-in-law’s wedding day.
    2) She’s desperately in love with her brother-in-law.
    3) She’s loyal to her husband of 20 years.

    The only one of those that’s positive is the last one, and it’s a very “what do you want, a cookie?” kind of positive. Either their pr is incredibly stupid, or is sneakily trying to undermine Kate. This is all very pathetic.

  52. Noor says:

    Having had their say, it would be better for Prince Harry and Meghan to maintain a dignified silence over the royals in future and just focus on their own family, careers and philanthropy/charity works.

    After the Oprah interview people understand better the solid reasons behind Prince Harry and Meghan’s decision to step away from the Royal life. Time to focus on the future.

  53. Haylie says:

    Dignified silence and focusing on their work didn’t stop the vicious attacks from the press or the palaces. And in the UK, those attacks shaped public opinion.

    Dignified silence is a trap. Bullies don’t move on when you try to ignore them. They get scared when you step to them and check them.