The Cambridges have been looking at homes & schools closer to the Middletons


Fact: senior royal aides have been seriously floating the idea that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge should spend more time (like several months every year) in Scotland. Fact: William has made a ton of legal threats, behind-the-scenes, to shut down reporting around his alleged affair with Rose Hanbury, his neighbor in Norfolk. Fact: William and Kate can barely do anything without running to Carole Middleton, who “lives” in Berkshire, but spends most of her time managing the Keens. I bring up these three facts because they’re all related to an incredibly curious story in the Daily Mail, about how William and Kate have been making quiet inquiries into real estate and schools in and around Berkshire. Some highlights from the DM:

Scoping out real estate & schools: The Daily Mail understands the future Queen and her husband Prince William have been quietly scoping out new schools – and potentially homes – in the appropriately named Royal County, with an eye to a possible move in the future.

They don’t want to live in London: Raising their young family in the bustling capital is not believed to be part of the Cambridges’ long-term plans. In recent weeks the couple’s discreet inquiries about – and visits to – future schools for their children in Kate’s home county have set local tongues wagging. Sources are at pains to stress that any changes for the family will have no effect on their set-up at Kensington Palace. It will remain their London home and office even after they become Prince and Princess of Wales.

They know how much money was spent on their palace reno: William, 38, and Kate, 39, have a comfortable home-office arrangement and are acutely conscious of the £4.5million cost to taxpayers of renovating their 20-room private family apartment, in addition to creating work space for staff.

But what about Anmer Hall: What it means for Anmer Hall, their private home in Norfolk, is less clear. The couple love the house and the area where they have spent the vast majority of the past year home schooling their children during lockdown. They see it as their family home and no public money has been spent on it. But Anmer is a long trek from London – often requiring the family to travel by helicopter – and is far from Kate’s parents, sister and brother who play a huge part in their children’s lives.

Where would they live in Berkshire? Some sources have speculated they could choose to rent privately in Berkshire as a short-term solution. There are plenty of available properties on the Queen’s Windsor estate, they say. But others have told the Mail the couple are likely to remain in London in term time, and this seems more likely. In this case they are more likely to go for weekly or flexi-boarding options in Berkshire when the children are older as there is a plethora of highly rated boarding schools in the region. And it means they could still use Anmer at weekends and holidays.

Boarding schools: It is understood the couple are casting their net wider than just schools traditionally favoured by the Royal Family, although no firm decisions have been made. It is believed Ludgrove is not currently in the running for George. A source said: ‘Nothing has been decided and of course they could very well decide to keep the children at Thomas’s, but William and Kate have recently visited schools in the Berkshire area, which has got a lot of people talking.’

[From The Daily Mail]

So, yeah, I have a theory. My theory is that William and Kate have already been living separate lives – and living separately – for some time now. I think the trek from Bucklebury to Norfolk was a big strain on Carole, and so now Kate is looking to move closer to mummy. Kate wants to build a life for herself in or close to Berkshire, with her kids in school close by, where Carole is within ten to twenty miles. And William wants to be free from the bear trap – he’s fine with these plans, because that will give him even more freedom to play in the rose bushes in London and Norfolk. That’s what I believe. It will be like the kind of arrangement Charles and Diana had during their separation. Charles’ offices were in St. James Palace but he was happier in the country, and based himself mostly at Highgrove while Diana had the run of London and Kensington Palace. Now William wants London and Norfolk while Kate retires to the country with her mom and the children. As for that Scotland plan? That was Prince Charles’s scheme to get them out of London. This is William and Kate’s response.

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  1. HeatherC says:

    I think you’re right. This is either more prepping for permanent separate lives or possibly a pay off home for Kate. I read others saying that the Father’s Day outing with Will, George and Charlotte could be a good base laying for the “doting single dad” vibe.

    • Gruey says:

      We’ve all had girlfriends make these exact same moves before a divorce, right?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        EXACTLY! This is going to be a divorced dower house for Kate whether they get legally divorced or not.

      • Snazzy says:

        This is exactly what I was thinking. Getting her ducks in a row before it begins

      • tar says:

        divorce would be a bad look right now. the firm is already in crisis. i think they’re headed for a liz & phil arrangement, more like.

    • SaraTor says:

      My reading is that William has spent the last decade curating an image of being the opposite of his messy father. William wants to be seen as a guy who has his sh-t together- as an involved father, with a happy, traditional marriage. There would be no mass PR roll out propping up keen Kate if he planned to ditch her. They have an arrangement, probably that he can trim rose bushes as long as he’s discrete (mixed success there, but being in with the Royal media cartel fixes that!), and that’s how he likes it. No divorce, I’m 100% sure of that.

      • Becks1 says:

        The PR rollout propping up Kate isn’t coming from KP though. It’s coming directly from the Middletons.

      • February-Pisces says:

        I think it’s a mixture of both KP and the middletons. KP don’t want William to divorce Kate, and will try to convince him to make it work. They have to prop her up for now at least, cos they need her to be ‘propped up’. Also Kate being ‘perfect’ is a tool to beat Meghan with, and they are not done beating Meghan with it.

        But the major embiggening pieces definitely come from the Ma middy, including this one. I noticed they referred them as “the future queen and her husband Prince William”, lol. No it’s the future king and his wife keen middleton. Basically anything that mentions the middletons, or refers to kate as ‘future queen’ is from Ma.

      • San Diego says:

        I completely agree with you. They are NOT divorcing. They are fine with their arrangement. He gets to do whatever he wants and Kate gets to be beside him when he is king. I’m sorry but the only consistent thing in the part 5 years is how much he has defended his wife and made sure they are the last two standing. Kate’s purpose is to make Will look good. They are miserable but together or that’s what they’ll die trying to portray. They family that stayed. That’s it, that’s all they have left.

      • notasugarhere says:

        IMO he has defended the idea of ‘his wife’, it isn’t Kate herself he defends. That His Wife, whomever she happens to be, MUST be treated in particular way. Not because he believes Kate should be treated that way, but because he believes the wife of the heir to the heir should be.

      • Becks1 says:

        When has William actually defended her though? The only reason we heard so much about how enraged he was over The Interview and Meghan correcting the crying story was because KATE’S team needed that out there. That wasn’t coming from William. Kate’s team (ahem Carole) put the false crying story out there, so Kate’s team had to scramble when the truth came out. And the best way to scramble was to pretend that William was ticked off over it.

        Now maybe he was, but if he was it was for the reason Nota said – Meghan mentioned “his wife.” Not Kate.

        He doesn’t care to defend this woman personally. FFS he can’t even be bothered to walk off a barge with her when it’s raining and he has the umbrella. He’s not invested in protecting Kate personally.

      • A says:

        @Becks1, absolutely. In all of the “defenses” William has made for Kate, not a single one of them holds water. All of it is simply, “William is angry that Kate has gotten dragged into this by Meghan,” which can really mean a multitude of different things, not just that William is protective of Kate.

        It always seemed to me, from reading those, that William is pissed off that he now has to cover for Kate’s shenanigans and antics towards Meghan in addition to his own. He doesn’t want to have to spare the resources to do that, bc he mainly wants to prioritize on managing his own sh-t slinging to defend himself. But that’s just my reading/take on the subject.

    • Krista says:

      Or maybe Kate/Will want to be closer to the family they are closer with?
      We’ve recently moved closer to my parents because they babysit a lot and because I want to be around them more because they are getting older.
      Could just be this rather then the speculations of divorce/separation/nefarious ideas people here are thinking of.

  2. Levans says:

    Ding ding! We have a winner!

    They are living completely separate lives and bits and pieces about it will slowly trickle out.

    • MF1 says:

      This might explain the recent attacks in the media on Meghan. They’re trying to keep this from leaking.

  3. Eleonor says:

    Separate lives in two different mansions instead of a divorce ?
    How middle class !
    Rolling my eyes.

    • My3cents says:

      Wait, did I miss the part about how many bathrooms they have? Or the cost of their mansions?

  4. Belli says:

    Either this is a separate lives move or they need to be close to Ma Midds for any hope of keeping their marriage together.

    • Killfanora says:

      Bucklebury to Sandringham is 153 miles…..and takes 3 hours. It certainly isn’t too far for Carol to travel. Parents all around the UK do that sort of distance and far more visiting their kids at Uni or ferrying them and all their stuff to and fro at the beginning and end of terms or years. And if a 3 hour car journey is too much for the poor dear she can always spend a night at a hotel after driving an hour and a half! Haha

    • MMadison says:

      They will NEVER get a divorce. Carole will take down the entire family if Kate doesn’t become Queen. When William becomes King the Middletons will become the new RF. I’m going to love every bit of the Brits paying for the Middleton RF.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Whatever the Midds have on William pales in comparison to what the BRF and govt have on the Midds and Uncle Gary. They all go quietly or everyone goes nuclear on them. The Middletons are not liked, they will not be defended.

  5. Heidi says:

    “…the future Queen and her husband Prince William…” LMAO.

    • Jay says:

      That’s the first thing I bumped on, too! I think that tells us which camp this story originated from. Is it a good look to be living in so many different mansions at once? Maybe they are converting one of their properties to house her extensive early years research centre…

      Catherine the great, future Queen of keen and lynchpin of the entire monarchy…and William.🤭

    • Belli says:

      Are the Mail/Midds deliberately goading Prince Incandescent?

    • Mustlovedogs says:

      Absolutely noticed this subtle dig too

    • Dana says:

      I know, right? Could Ma Middleton be any more obvious.

    • OR says:

      Rightttt! I lol when I saw that.

      • Over it says:

        Yup, it’s hilarious. Queen Kate and her husband William.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        Yup, Ma Middleton is hard at work ensuring her daughters future but more importantly, the future for CarolE, who has worked too hard for her NOT to be the mother of the QC!!

      • Sunday says:

        SAME! Not even future queen consort, just a straight upgrade AND mentioned before the heir. W-O-W

    • Over it says:

      It’s soon going to be Carole the queens mom and Charles, william dad when they referred to them

      • Red Weather Tiger says:

        CarolE, the Queen’s mother, and her father-in-law, Charles.

      • JT says:

        Calling Buttons Queen Kate seems a little illogical if they are living separate lives. If she is moving closer to Berkshire, because I doubt TOB is going too, than that kind spells out the beginning of the end. Maybe calling her queen is tongue and cheek, like “oh sure she’ll be queen” wink, wink. There is only so long a couple can separate before they make it permanent and I don’t see this remaining on the down low in this day and age. In Charles and Diana’s time it was easier to maintain the facade, but in 2021?

      • Sunday says:

        @JT it could be tongue in cheek, but I interpreted it as a reminder to will that kate isn’t going to go quietly and she WILL be queen, or else.

    • Abby says:

      That really stood out to me too! Omg. William is the future king. She’s his wife. That really shows who put this out there.

    • swirlmamad says:

      Oh snap! That bit didn’t even register till you posted this. Girlfriend is wildin’ out now. LMAO

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Thanks swirlmamad for making me choke on my coffee with ‘Girlfriend is wildin’ out now’. LOL

    • Lorelei says:

      I didn’t even notice that! LMAO

    • Fawsia says:

      Looool Is she the heir to the throne and he is her consort? What is going on?

    • That line caught my eye too, HEIDI, and I found it just as funny. I think we can all guess which side of House Cambridge got this story out there when the author references the FF👸🏻 and —- oh yeah ——her wee Willy.

    • MJM says:

      Yeah I caught that too WTAF?

    • Reece says:

      “Things I did not catch” for $2000 Levar.

  6. Amy Bee says:

    If they send George and Charlotte to boarding school in Berkshire, Kate can say she’s moving out there to be closer to the children. She’ll just live at her mother’s house.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Which would mean even more taxpayer millions spent on security upgrades and securing the Middleton home. With the future future king under the close control of Granny Carole, which we’ve seen from the start. She is angling to be the controlling (fake) Queen Mum to George, just as the Queen Mum was to Charles.

      • Lady Esther says:

        The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Given she has only been obsessed with her firstborn royal heir of a grandson, to the exclusion of all the other grandkids? I’m sure that’s Carole’s philosophy.

    • Jay says:

      I hope somebody with actual knowledge of English boarding schools will help me out here, but why exactly would Kate need to live close to the children’s boarding school? Isn’t the whole point of them that…the child lives there? And only comes home at a few points in the year? Am I missing something?

      My only points of reference for boarding schools are fictional -Hogwarts, Deepdean, and many golden age mystery novels with murder-prone Headmistresses and such, so maybe someone can explain?

      • Sofia says:

        She doesn’t. I think she just wants to be close to her kids even if they go to boarding school 5 days a week (unless they stay at the school at weekends)

  7. Chill says:

    I love this. It says it all, “The Daily Mail understands the future Queen and her husband Prince William…… LOL

    • lanne says:

      Damn. There’s going to be some serious incandescence for that “slip”. The DM jerking Will-di Amin’s chain, perhaps? Needing some payback in the form of Sussex info?

    • NTheMiddle says:

      Yes! It says EVERYTHING.

  8. Becks1 says:

    Yup, I am on board with your theory Kaiser. Someone yesterday (Nic919 maybe?) mentioned that maybe THIS is the story the RRs are sitting on about William – not just a bad marriage, but a separation that already is established and is on the verge of becoming permanent.

    Relocating to Berkshire so the family can…..can what, be close to George while he’s in boarding school? doesnt really make a ton of sense if that’s the only reason. But it makes perfect sense as cover for a separation/divorce. Kate is in Berkshire with the kids to “support” George and be close to her family, William still has to work in London the poor sausage so he’s there most of the time and of course we have the infamous helicopter hedge so we don’t know how often he is in Norfolk.

    A separation/divorce is also the only way I can see Charles agreeing to the extra expense of another house for them, because as of right now at least it would be Charles or the Queen paying.

    UK peeps – help me out with geography, I am looking at google maps lol. But Berkshire is the county, right? and Kate’s parents live in Bucklebury? But Bucklebury doesnt seem that close to Windsor, although certainly closer than Norfolk. So it seems the bit about how they might “rent a house” on the windsor estate doesnt really hold up.

    at any rate – the idea that the Cambridges are looking for a THIRD house and its “unclear” what will happen to Anmer is just insane.

    • Cecilia says:

      Did amner need reno’s? If yes how much?

      This is honestly a curious story. But i don’t think a separation is on the horizon yet. If william did cheat (which i obviously think he did) then kate can seriously ruin his rep once he does leave her. I think should be a lot more kate slander first.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        I think the reno’s to Amner went into the millions – a perfectly good (and new) roof was replaced. There was a lot of unnecessary ‘remodelling’ work done before they moved in and then after.

      • Becks1 says:

        I don’t know if Anmer “needed” renos, but it was renovated. That was when Kate moved the tennis court for a better view and completely gutted the kitchen (that had just been redone by the previous tenants.)

      • Lauren says:

        Anmer was renovated before they went to live there and it was expensive! There was a lot of drama around it because they had just renovated KP only to go live in Anmer Hall and keep out of the public eye. That was their peek Dolittle period.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Ripped out the brand new 50,000 kitchen installed by the kitchen designers who were leasing the place. Ripped out all the historic fireplaces and replaced with different ones because Kate didn’t like the historic ones. Added a ‘garden room’ that connected the former wood store (now converted to Nanny Maria’s onsite apartment). Converted and expanded another outbuilding to install security headquarters and kitchen for the security staff. Converted other part of a wing to more staff housing. Pool moved and cover built so Kate can sunbathe topless whenever she wants. Demanded the re-routing of a church driveway and moved the parking lot – because religious peasants were too close to W&K’s house.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Kate also ripped out a newly renovated two-year old kitchen from Anmer and replaced it with exactly what she wanted?

        On another note: Reading Kaiser posts regarding Charles, I am confused. Why did Charles want William and Kate out of London? I must have missed something somewhere in the last couple of weeks.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ notasugarhere, thank you for the details as I forget all of these expensive traits that Keen has. I know she is not frugal in the shopping for clothes and jewelry department, but my god, I remember her demanding to move the tennis court by a few feet! I can see Charles behind giving Keen her post divorce set up as he can’t afford to keep paying for her upkeep!! She is certainly not worth her expenses given how little she works!
        I see a divorce in their future, whether CarolE likes it or not.

      • PrincessK says:

        Why can’t they live in Windsor Castle if they want to live in Berkshire, there must be enough rooms.

    • The Hench says:

      The Windsor estate is in Berkshire, the county. I lived in Windsor for years and it was easy to whistle out on the M4 and get to most of Berkshire within half an hour.

    • Merricat says:

      Agreed on all points.

    • HeatherC says:

      I love the “acutely conscious” of costs of reno to Kensington and Amner but we’re going to buy another mansion anyway.

      • Becks1 says:

        Well did people actually expect them to live full time in London and raise their children there?!?!?!?!

        (I would argue yes, yes people did, hence the renovations to 1A, but clearly the Cambs have different plans….)

      • Harper says:

        This is the first time I’ve heard that living in London was never the long-term plan. But then CarolE goes on to say that they will live at KP as the future Prince and Princess of Wales, which sounds like a long-term plan. Also, notice that the story includes Kate becoming the POW. Camp Middleton is bargaining hard for those titles but Kate may have to settle for the Duchess of Cambridge title and she would be sorely disappointed in that payout. We know William is mean and will turn on Kate and the Mids eventually, especially if Willnot has or gets a side piece who is whispering in his ear for her own title.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Harper, they all get town-and-country homes. Apartment 1A is intended to be the official working royal London base. Anmer was the private country home. Anne has Gatcombe and a townhouse at St James Palace. Princess Alexandra has Thatched House and an apartment at SJP. Andrew has Royal Lodge and a suite at Buckingham Palace. Edward/Sophie have Bagshot and a double suite at BP. Charles has Clarence House and Highgrove (and many others).

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nota – all except H&M apparently.

        The country living part we all expected, but I think we all assumed it would be on weekends and school breaks, bc the Cambridges would at the very least be working in London. But I guess we all should have known better ha.

    • Seraphina says:

      This is BIG news if true because I have read elsewhere that the stable marriage issue is Wills’ one up on his father. So this will be interesting indeed.
      As the kids begin to get older and Ma Middle-manager gets older, I think Kate will become resentful of her predicament. Especially when she will see what her sister has – everything that she does not.

      • Emmitt says:

        Kate’s sister AND sister-in-law have everything she does not.

      • Sid says:

        Seraphina, I suspect that is why ever since last year we have seen this push to promote Willileaks as a loving father. Before that it was only stories about him saying he didn’t get to see the kids much, how he wasn’t around much for the first 6 months of George’s life, etc. He’ll flop on the stable marriage issue, but still try to one-up Charles by convincing the public that he is a doting dad.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I have never really thought about it in any depth but after reading and re-reading this thread today, I have come to the conclusion that Kate is actually raising her children on her own with the help of paid domestic staff and her mother. It really is quite sad to me.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        I too felt pity for Kate being a single mom with domestic staff just because the father of her kids was not wanting to be involved. It is a sad situation… for the kids. For Kate? She picked this life. She knew who he was. It’s her fault if she thought he would change.
        And she leans heavily on her staff to care for the children while she does… what does she do besides spend money on her appearances?

      • Aud says:

        I don’t think they’re going to divorce or officially separate. I think they’re going to unofficially separate and build their own lives. They’ll sometimes appear together.

        I think they’ll only divorce if/when an affair becomes public knowledge and one of them needs to save face.

    • Nic919 says:

      I was just referring to that tweet a while back from that reporter who asked when they could start reporting on the stories about William that the media is holding back. Not this story specifically, but maybe this is one of the things that is starting to trickle out.

      Also, Carole needs to be less obvious because “the future Queen and prince William” is tipping her hand way too much.

      • Seraphina says:

        I wonder how Chucky feels about this statement.

      • Cecilia says:

        But why would carole want this story out? If anything it would get tongs waging that the cambs marriage isn’t strong or get people upset at the expenses of these 2. Its simply not a good look and goes against the whole image they’ve been trying to built

      • Harper says:

        Sounds to me as if Kate is done with Anmer and Norfolk. We already suspect Willnot has set up camp at Sandringham which leads me to believe his gardening has not abated. Using Anmer on holidays and weekends is what they do anyway when school is in session. Kate is going to set up her own court in Bucklebury where she, Pippa, and James can enroll their children in the same schools and ignore whatever William is doing with whomever.

        It’s curious to me that it seems as if CarolE was very chatty with the details here. Does the deal include separate lives and homes and the Queen consort crown? I wouldn’t trust William to follow through on keeping Kate as his royal partner.

      • Becks1 says:

        My guess is this story came out unintentionally – if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are in Berkshire looking at boarding schools for the future king, that’s going to get out. So the DM asked someone at KP about it and we’re getting this cover story. Maybe they weren’t even looking at schools, maybe just looking at houses, so now it is being spun as all about “the children” and school-shopping.

      • Harper says:

        The DM article used the term “set local tongues wagging” about the couple discreetly looking at the schools and homes. This may be another Turnip Toff misfire …. when CarolE or Kate’s husband freak out and go to the press to explain and it thus becomes a known incident, as opposed to just staying calm and letting the local talk remain local talk. Now the cat is out of the bag and it escalates and it gets out of Carole’s hands.

      • Chelsea says:

        @ Cecilia she might want this out there with her slant if she thought it was going to leak anyway. This way she gets ahead of people saying they’re separated by using the “Kate wanrs the kids to be close to George while hes in boarding school” story.

      • Jais says:

        This story is interesting cuz it feels like the DM is playing games but not sure with who. With Kate ? With William? With them both? Like the whole future Queen, prince William’s wife. Does Carole want that out there to embiggen Kate’s status or is the DM writer adding the embellishment to stir up sh*t? Think @JT mentioned this above.
        Also, yesterday I mentioned seeing the pic with this article and how weird it was. A pic of William with George and a young pretty teacher leaving school and William is really smiling at the young teacher in a way he never does with Kate. The DM had to purposely choose that picture and people who know would know. Yeah William can smile but just not with his wife. Plus the references to home reno costs. Maybe they got quotes from camp Carole but the whole article just feels like they are f-ing around with the Cambridges and the subtext is there for a certain audience, members of the aristocracy like the turnip toffs and royal reporters that know the truth. Feels like the tabloids playing with their food before going in.

    • Over it says:

      They are definitely separated but they will be no divorce. Carole isn’t giving up her queen mom title, she worked too damm hard for it

      • Merricat says:

        If William wants to cut ties, it will happen.

      • JT says:

        @Over it I don’t know, because this looks like a divorce is on the horizon. Why couldn’t they live separate lives where they already live, KP and Norfolk? It would just be business as usual. This story would makes people ask questions and it might be just enough info for one of those RRs to reveal a tidbit or two. It looks like Kate is trying to get as far away as possible from him. And is the separation is true, than the Princess of Wales title is pretty much up in the air.

      • Over it says:

        JT, I see what you and Merricat are saying but I don’t think Karen keen can survive without titles and the feeling that she is his wife, he can do whatever he wants but all she knows is how to be seen as being his plus one. So her and her mother will keep this charade going. He can have his separate life , in exchange she stays quiet about everything and continue to play the game and they stay married on paper. This is just me assuming. I really have no clue

      • Beach Dreams says:

        @Over it, the problem for Kate is that her feelings ultimately don’t matter to William. She can latch her existence onto titles and being his “assistant” as much as she wants, but if William wants out, he’ll get out. No amount of bargaining, threatening, or pleading would dissuade someone as stubborn and arrogant as him.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        William has also lost weight recently. I suspect he’s getting fit for someone else.

      • Vavavoom says:

        I agree to a point, but he’s also stubborn and arrogant enough to want to make darn sure that he looks like he has a perfect marriage and people love him. I imagine he cares very, very much about being loved by his people, just like his father.

      • Maria says:

        Not having Kate with him on Father’s Day does not make their marriage look perfect.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        No, it makes their marriage or sham marriage just look plain weird. Their public want more and you would think they would understand what they need to do to successfully continue to play to their public (the commentariat of The Daily Fail).

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        I keep thinking about the recent appearances with the two of them. That is one unhappy man. He does NOT respect K, and I believe when she speaks, she embarrasses him. It’s possible that TQ or C have decided they need to be far apart from each other. Good call. I don’t think W cares whether he projects the happy marriage narrative. He pretty much only thinks of himself. I wonder how long C will continue to pour millions into K without much return for his money. If I was Kate, those are the two things I would worry about. Oh, as for MaMeddling? Well, you know, I have a feeling that W knows all kinds of juicy stuff about Uncle G. She had better be very careful how she proceeds.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I agree with @Maria. If he really wanted to keep the charade going, he would’ve made sure Kate was right by his side hyena grinning up a storm on Father’s Day. To me, her absence was a big tell. This whole thing isn’t passing the sniff test right now.

      • Nic919 says:

        The single dad appearance also happened after a story of Kate not attending the statue unveiling. Someone is setting up a new narrative here.

    • My3cents says:

      Good thing Charles is slimming down the Monarchy, now he can pay for another mansion.

  9. Cecilia says:

    Or maybe this is the last try to make their marriage work? And simultaneously keep william out of norfolk where they are surrounded by dubious neighbors? Idk.

    • Ainsley7 says:

      This is what I think. People forget that Carol is on William’s side not Kate’s. So, when Kate goes home to mommy, mommy isn’t all that sympathetic and probably tells her the same thing Charles told Diana about not wanting to be the only Prince of Wales to be without a mistress. How dare Kate try to break that sacred tradition!

      It’s the one reason that I can’t help feeling sorry for Kate. As far as I can tell, she’s got no one on her side. Her mother always chooses William over her, and most of her “friends” are people who she met through William. Pippa has always seen her more as a rival than a sister. Which was kind of fun in the early marriage years when the press was constantly giving Kate advice on her looks. The press would tell Kate to cut her hair, wear lower hems, or whatever. The next week you would see Pippa with shorter hair, longer skirts, or whatever other hoop the press wanted Kate to jump through.

      • Kalana says:

        Kate’s partly responsible for not having allies. Look at how she treated Meghan and Harry. Kate is a user as much as Carole or William.

      • Cecilia says:

        What Kalana said. I think kate is wholly responsible for isolating herself. If she wanted allies (if her marriage goes bust) then she should have been nicer to meghan.

      • The Hench says:

        Yes and let’s not forget the organised ‘happy families’ pap walk at Sandringham around Kate’s birthday in Jan 2020 with Rose and her husband included in the family party. That was after Kate had tried and miserably failed to ice out Rose middle-class style and the Toffs closed ranks as evidenced by the Tatler piece. At the time we surmised that the church walk was Carole and Kate finally understanding that graciously accepting your husband’s mistress was the aristo way forward – cf the Queen and Penny Knatchbull.

        This ‘separate lives but not divorced’ move would be very much in keeping with that strategy. I read a book recently about the aristocracy – admittedly from the 20s – and the form was very much to marry, pop out kids and then live separate lives.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Carole is on Carole’s side, after that she’s on Kate’s. The multiple pro-Kate, anti-William briefings in the last four years make it clear Kate/Carole and William aren’t on the same page. Kate/Carole are fighting to make Kate appear indispensible, while William is auditioning Wife #2.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “accepting your husband’s mistress was the aristo way forward – cf the Queen and Penny Knatchbull.”

        I never got the feeling that QEII minded about Penny Knatchbull. I always felt that by the time Penny came along full-time Philip needed full time entertaining and Penny was the perfect person for the job.

    • Kfg says:

      No this is her payoff house. He’s also setting her up for a big fall. She did so badly with Dr. Biden and no one is impressed with the “research centre”. So that was her last chance to show she was an asset and she failed miserably. He’s filing for divorce within the next year.

    • Sid says:

      I think Kaiser nailed it and it is past the point of marriage saving. Look at all of the desperation that has been coming from the Middleton side over the past few months. That sleazy uncle constantly trying to promote Kate. So many articles embiggening her. Her circus monkey performance during the Scotland tour while her husband stood around looking glum. Her Alexis Carrington act at Philip’s funeral. All last ditch efforts to try and prove that Kate is needed in the monarchy. But alas, turns out she’s just as expendable as any other married-in.

      • Kfg says:

        100% mommy mids overplayed her hand and embiggened Kate over PWT. He hates her attention seeking and her inability to be an aristo. Her accent is fake, she has no friends and she’s vapid. He’s disgusting, but seeing how unremarkable she is compared to MM is pissing him off. She’s not an asset, she’s a liability.

      • Inge says:

        ‘ Her Alexis Carrington act at Philip’s funeral.’ oh god yes!

  10. Kalana says:

    Maybe this is to get William away from the Norfolk Turnip Toff set especially if Kate has burned her bridges with that crowd, But there is something to the idea that this is a way to set Kate up financially and with her own household before a divorce.

    • Cecilia says:

      This is what i was thinking! A last attempt at saving their marriage. And kate is doing it by keeping william away from the toffs.

      • MsIam says:

        Is she going to lock him in the basement? Take away his keys so he can’t drive? His cell phone so he can’t call anyone? Wait that almost sounds like what they did to Meghan.

    • The Duchess says:

      There’s definitely something strange going on. I definitely believe that this is Kate’s own way of setting up her own household and base to prepare for any impending divorce (William must be really tired of her now). I don’t think William would move away from the Norfolk toff set, especially not WITH Kate, no matter how many bridges she’s burned over there. Norfolk is his territory and with Kate away in Berkshire with her mother + children, then this gives William even more freedom to do as much gardening as he can. I think this is the finalisation of the ‘separate lives’ theory we’ve all been talking about for years. William goes his way and Kate goes hers, but no official separation/divorce (yet).

  11. Chaine says:

    Funny when they have dwellings like a taxpayer-funded 20 room apartment where they could easily stay far apart from one another! But now they need not one but two country houses. I doubt it will stop them from still needing to use a helicopter to get around, poor things.

    • L84Tea says:

      I found it interesting that this article touched on both the cost of their previous renos AND mentioned the helicopter. Usually reminding people of those sorts of details are saved only for the Sussexes.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        BUT….we haven’t heard HOW MANY BATHROOMS?????

      • L84Tea says:

        We’ll probably never know how many bathrooms, but from here on out, I think we should refer to W&K as “The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, owner of 3 homes” to make it all fair. If they can reference the number of bathrooms alongside H&M’s names nonstop, they should also mention that these do-nothings have multiple ENORMOUS homes.

      • betsyh says:

        The OG, hee hee. The bathroom jokes never get old. 🙂

      • Sid says:

        L84Tea, what’s also interesting is that in recent weeks there have been actual long-range photos published of them boarding the helicopter, when in the past I feel like those photos would never have seen the light of day.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Sid – How long till the Daily Fail begins to count and report with pictures the number of helicopter rides the Cambridges take per week?

    • Lorelei says:

      And what’s this about “no public money” being spent on Amner? What funds it, then? The wages the Windsors have earned in actual side jobs where they do real work?
      ALL of their money is public money. Except for what Diana and Meghan brought in themselves, most recently.

      • notasugarhere says:

        All of the security upgrades at Anmer and ongoing security for the Sandringham estate are paid by taxpayers.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I would guess that the renovations to Anmer Hall were paid out of Charles’ private wallet (probably not) or QEII’s private pocketbook (very likely) as the Sandringham Estate is privately owned by Brenda Glücksburg.

      • Gail says:

        LOL ~ You Got Me!! I went to google to look up Brenda Glücksburg…no luck.
        Then I googled who owns Sandringham and it’s the Queen.
        Then I realized you’re calling the queen ‘Brenda Glücksburg
        Now I cannot stop laughing

    • Over it says:

      If this was Harry and Megs we would be hearing for years to come how much this is costing the tax payers. , in fact we did hear about how much the tax payers spent on frogmore. Even after they paid it back we still heard about it. This is so much worst. They already have two massive houses in the same country and now they want a third. More tax payers money will be spent on security and probably the upkeep of house number 3. Yet the British media and public don’t make a fuss about it. The public crucifixion is only reserved for the prince who married the black American. All this does is just remind me yet again not like I could ever forget that Meghan was never welcomed in that racist family by the British media the royals or some of the British hurts me and upsets me that Meghan was abused by these people because she is not a white English rose

  12. Bea says:

    If your theory is right it means that living in a castle isn’t enough to make anybody happy…

    • lanne says:

      I wonder if that’s Williams true problem. Harry and Meghan are happy, and he is miserable. He can’t stand that his lesser brother has a better life than he does.

      • equality says:

        That’s it. He wants a big house so the media will report on his number of bathrooms and house value.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        William and Kate married to begat heirs. They have finished breeding in captivity for the masses and are now ready to move on to the next stage of their lives which will hopefully be enjoyable and rewarding.

      • Jais says:

        “They finished breeding in captivity” @btb eek that is cringey but kinda true. The zoo on the lindo steps.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Jais – I must be truthful and fair. I stole that great “breeding in captivity for the masses” line from a columnist at The Guardian.

  13. Merricat says:

    That’s a lot of houses for one couple. I wonder how many bathrooms there are in total.

    • Eleonor says:

      I don’t think the houses are too much, I mean they must contain Baldemort fragile ego…

    • Lucy says:

      Probably less than 16 (is it 16? I can’t keep track). This will be what puts them over the top on the bathroom count.
      For real though, Kaiser is right. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

    • CL says:

      I just looked online and Anmer Hall has 16 bathrooms. Isn’t that the magic number?

  14. Digital Unicorn says:

    Yeah this is all about Kate being close to Mummy to help her raise the children and you can bet that the taxpayer will pay for a nice big home with 10 kitchens for Kate and additional ‘security’ renovations to Middleton Manor.

    That marriage is done, she has previous for running home to Mummy when William tires of her and this time its perm, I don’t think he will be following her to Berkshire.

    As i said yesterday I think this is the big thing that the press are holding over their heads – the press know that they are living separate lives with William having a side piece that he’s serious about. If it this gets out then TQ or King Chuck will have no choice to tell them to divorce. This is what has the Middletons so spooked, Carol(e) can’t patch up that relationship any more. Their goose is cooked.

    • Merricat says:

      I completely agree.

    • Becks1 says:

      I definitely don’t think William will be following her to Berkshire. I think if he wanted to live in that area, that’s where they would have settled instead of Anmer in Norfolk. Didn’t Charles buy a house in the Cotswolds or somewhere near Highgrove that was intended for one of the sons, and then William peaced out to Norfolk? Does anyone remember that story? And as I am perusing the UK on google maps lol it seems to me that that would have been closer to Berkshire than Norfolk. (@TheHench is that a correct assumption lol).

      But again I think really the only way this story makes any real sense at all is if this is about setting Kate up with her post-marriage house.

      And if the marriage really is that close to collapse, then it explains all the desperate pro-Kate stories from the past few months.

      • The Hench says:

        @Becks1 – I’m loving my resident British geographer role today 😉 but I should warn you I’m a bit dodgy on geography generally. But yes, the Cotswolds, Gloucestershire (where Highgrove, Charles’ house is) and Berkshire are all close together on the West side of London. There’s what we Brits call the M4 corridor and they are basically all off that. Norfolk is right over to the East of London and getting round London is a tedious, slow and painful process most of the time – unless, of course, one has a helicopter.

        I’ll try and find you another map…

      • The Hench says:

        Haha I’m such a geek I’m actually genuinely excited by this. Behold @Becks1 not only a map of the British counties but an interactive map of the counties. You can tap in on the top left a town or place and it will show you where it is in the counties/country. I’ve started you off with Bucklebury.

        PS I really hope this link works…,-1.202/centre=54.269,-4.500/zoom=7

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes, in 2007 or so he had the Duchy start fixing up a house in Herefordshire for William and Kate. He’d had the Duchy purchase it in 2000, in anticipation of it being William’s marital home. Harewood Park, around an hour from Highgrove and Anne’s Gatcombe which is about 10km from Highgrove.

        William freaked out at the idea of marrying Kate, they broke up again soon after. The house remains Duchy property, has been completely renovated, and is now leased out.

      • Becks1 says:

        Haha omg Hench thank you!!! that map does work. I’m going to play with it the rest of the day lol. I love maps!

        @Nota thanks, that’s in line with what I remembered.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        Agree with many of you. This will be the house Kate gets in the divorce. Bought and renovated by the taxpayers.

        This divorce is happening. They have so many residences they could avoid each other in, but this home will be privately Kate’s.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Just to add in some BS gossip. on many Meghan hating sites, the professional Sussex haters claim that Chucky offered Harewood Park to the Sussexes but Meghan did not care for the house, park or estate in general.

        I know this is BS but I love how gossipy things get so twisted one may need a chiropractor.

      • Hey BECKS1. I remember the story as Charles wanting to gift a small estate close to Sandringham to Harry, but he and Meghan turned it down as they had no interest in living out by Sandringham. There were several articles at the time about how ungrateful the Sussexes were to not accept it as a country home, although the articles did state that Harry had no real ties to the area and the trip in to London is not just a short hop.

      • Becks1 says:

        @LowcountryLady I don’t remember that specific story, but I do remember a story in 2016ish (maybe 2015) about Harry looking to buy a house in Norfolk that was close to Anmer and then I think it came out that Harry really had no interest in living there.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I think I read somewhere, many years ago, that Harry preferred the Cotswold and Highgrove area to Norfolk.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @The Hench – GREAT MAP!!!!

    • Robin says:

      You see, I’ve always thought Kate will stick to him like glue, whatever he drags her through. But I’m beginning to doubt this. Maybe she’s doing the equivalent of Katie Holmes, but in terms of localities – ie getting all her houses, literally, in order to make sure she lands somewhere nice for when she gets dumped.

      • Lady Esther says:

        Maybe it’s also a bit of, Hey, let’s toss Kate a house to renovate and spend lots of money on – it’s been years, after all, and it’s what she seems to really love doing

      • MsIam says:

        Is that a good look during Brexit? Another house to spend millions on? They need something other than Kate needs a hobby as a reason for the expense. A separation or divorce would do it.

  15. India says:

    Kween can’t function without her mama telling her what to do. And if Jelly Boy is wandering she’s gonna need mama’s soldiering up on a daily basis.

  16. Lowrider says:

    I hollered at

    “the future Queen and her husband Prince William”

    • Eleonor says:


    • Anners says:

      Haha! SAME! It’s such delicious shade, especially as based on the comments here, it’s quite unlikely she will ever be queen lol!

    • thaisajs says:

      Loved it! Carole, gurl, you need to watch yourself. Diana was supposed to be Queen at some point, too, but divorce has a way of stopping that.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Ma middy is seriously crazy. She just can’t help herself.

  17. ModeratelyWealthy says:

    “The Daily Mail understands the future Queen and her husband Prince William ”

    Interesting phrasing. Kate is Future Queen while William is only a prince and her husband.

    Team Middleton is already bracing for a bumpy landing, I see.

    Wooton said William and Kate respect the Queen too much to separate. Would this means TOB is just waiting for Betty to pass to start phasing out his marriage? He must divorce her, if he wants, before he is made Prince of Wales.

    This whole thing seems to me Team Middleton is mildly aware of his plans and is trying to convince him a practical separation is much more convenient, Ma Middleton would be personally responsible for handling Kate for him- as long as Kate gets to be Queen.

    • Lady D says:

      If the only thing keeping them from divorcing is the queen, I hope she lives another decade. If however, he really does want to divorce her, he will. Wee Willie gets his way no matter the cost.

    • Robin says:

      Goodness, ModeratelyWealthy. I didn’t catch the obvious bit from Dan Wooton about how Kate & W will never separate. What an odd thing to put out there? It’s almost like saying, they’ve thought about.

      • ModeratelyWealthy says:

        He said something like they would never divorce, and respect the Queen too much to it or along these lines. There is post here about it. The way I read it, for as long as TQ lives, they will be a couple. After that, who knows? The original plan for Charles was to only separate from Diana, but he blown up this too. Methinks William is Charles son through and through- I cannot see him stoically going with the flow only for good PR for much longer if he can find a way out.

        But only if HE decides.

        Remember, Ma Middleton is a monarchist. Even if William wants it out, she will not allow Kate to jeopardize George´s future by going postal on Will. This is clearly the Middletons telepraphing to William that Kate is an asset to him , they are assets to him and will take care of things as long as he plays along.

      • Jais says:

        Was just thinking that Kate could still get good press in the divorce. Like even in separation she never puts a foot wrong or speaks a bad word about William. Very conscious uncoupling, the saintly mother who will forever be compared to whatever trashy person William is seeing. Of course, that will only make the trashy person more interesting to the press. Not that this imagined person is trashy just that the press will play it that way. At the same time, the misogyny of the press is so bad not sure Kate can really ever escape that.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Dan Wooton & Chris Ship know not only where every body is buried but who the bodies are and their complete stories down to where they buy their knickers.

      • ModeratelyWealthy says:

        @Jais – The Royal Rota would want their pound of flesh, one way or another, but I agree the RF would want minimal drama. I truly believe part of Will being incandescent with rage was that Harry did not fall for the ” degree wife” thing was his own plans. They counted on a year or two long marriage, with no children, perhaps a miscarriage. Imagine the drama! The rota would compare the Cambridges ” respectful, dignified” divorce with the Sussexes ” gheto shenanigans”…tons of papers sold

        They can still use the Sussexes though. The separation from his brother counted as a strain uin the marriage… An item here and there about Kate living for her children while William goes to Scotland to live for his duty, and how their relationship ” transitioned”…single dad Will and big momma Kate are born.

        Ma Middleton does not want the House of Windsor to look too cold and unmoving, as it would lead people to question the Monarchy iself. She would definitely try to compromise with William, as she seems to be doing it already. If he says, ” no I cannot do”, then there would be a slow build up, to save each others reputation

        @BayTampaBay oh, there would still be space for a book or two being written after the first months of coverage. As long as the tabloids just go with ” kate devastated” and ” William misses his children” headlines, I can see they simply reacting with an official public note, “condemning” a book for inaccuracies and lies, but not doing anything legal against it, just to save face.

    • FC says:

      @ModeratelyWealthy I hear you re: the Wooton comment, although it’s important to note that the monarchy will never be as strong as it is right now, while the queen is alive. Now would actually be a good time to announce a separation/divorce, as there are still plenty of opportunities to deflect in the press with the cute old lady queen and the evil Sussex’s. I also feel like you could announce anything awful (even about Andrew) and when the queen dies, there will be weeks/months of glowing sympathetic coverage to wash it all away.

  18. FancyPants says:

    I just googled how far it is to drive from Kensington Palace to Amner Hall: three hours! That’s a long trek that requires a helicopter? Are you for real??? I just drove 14 hours each way last week to spend some time with my grandfather, and this weekend I have an 8 hour drive to a work assignment in Kentucky. I might drive 3 hours to the Smithsonian flight museum in Virginia this week just for the fun of it- no helicopters necessary!

    • Becks1 says:

      And there is also a train they can take. The queen used to famously take it from London to Norfolk in December every year (and when I say “used to” I think she did it up until 2018? 2019?) The Cambs have been photographed once in a great while using the train but I think with the kids its always been helicopter.

    • L84Tea says:

      We’re going to go visit a state park with waterfalls this weekend that will be about a 3 hour drive. And we’re just going for fun and for the day!

      • Cecilia says:

        Those are definitely American distances because if i drive 3 hours im in a whole new country…..

        I can’t even sit in a car for more than 2. Im simply not used to it

      • Becks1 says:

        @Cecilia lol. I can drive three hours and not even be out of my state, and my state isn’t that big. Unfortunately it’s a negative though, we’re used to driving longer distances than people in many other countries because we don’t have the best train or bus system. For many places in a 3-6 hour radius, if I want to get there and have it not be a total pain in the rear, driving is the most efficient option. and I live near a big train route, but it only helps so much.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        My friends from the UK tell me the US Interstate Highway system is far superior to anything in the UK especially England.

        Wiglet & Baldy just need to take advantage of the superior railway system in the UK and take a train..

      • Emmitt says:

        I drive 3 hours to my hometown every other week, they don’t need a helicopter. LOL

      • NightOwl says:

        @Cecilia lol about “American distances”.

        and also loving the maps and geography lesson from @TheHench

      • Thirtynine says:

        Its a 4 hour drive to my country house, from where I work in the city. I don’t do it every weekend, but often. Leave work on a Friday night, get in before 10, come back Sunday afternoon. It’s worth it for the disconnect.

    • Ania says:

      Dears, you can all do that because you are peasants. Kate and Will are ROYAL and they need their comforts! (snark)

      • Eurydice says:

        LOL, I am the ultimate peasant. Don’t own a car and walk everywhere -I even carry my own groceries. And when the groceries are put away, I come here to marvel at how the aristocracy lives.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Is ordering from Amazon consider U or non-U middle class?

        What is the joke about buying shirts from M&S? I heard the joke once but never got it ridiculous yank that I am.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @BTB Speaking as an U/M (oo-er), the rule of thumb is to ‘do what you damn’ well please’, and bugger the neighbours’ opinion on it. To worry about what others think is very lower-middle, ie Carole.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Andrew’s Nemesis – I have read many places that is is considered very “common” or trashy in the UK to have an antenna on one’s house to receive satellite or Wi-Fi service. I would just have to do what I damn well please because nothing comes between me and my computer, TV set, internet and cell phone.

  19. Sofia says:

    I will say I’m surprised they might be sending George off to boarding school at 8. I know it’s tradition but W&K’s public image as parents has always been pushed as being “better than the previous royals” and “more hands on”. I figured they would stay at Thomas’ until 13 and then send them off to a co-ed boarding school like Marlborough. But Kate moving to be closer to George’s school means they could still push the “hands on parent” I suppose.

    And with Scotland, I kinda wonder if it was a ploy to sort get the marriage “better” by the firm. Yeah Charles may have wanted them out of London but it may have been two birds one stone – out of London would also mean away from any mistresses and the closeness might “force” the Cambridges to work on their marriage. May not have worked but it may have been a “well let’s give it a shot”.

    Maybe I’m reading too much into it but it does seem Kate is keen (intended) to get out of Norfolk and London. Maybe she’s accepted she’s never going to be queen bee of the toffs. That her and her family will never be accepted by the aristocrats as one of “them”. She can’t even kick her husband’s alleged mistress out of her circle without her facing public backlash from the aristos (that infamous Tatler cover). So she’s decided to go to a place where she will be accepted. And Kate can be queen bee amongst her family because, let’s be honest, the only reason why anyone even gossips about them is Kate’s marriage. Without it/her, no one would care for the Midds.

    If this does happen where Kate and the kids go to Berkshire and William keeps Norfolk and London, I think it’ll be the closest thing to an “official” separation for them. And a public acknowledgment of them living separate lives. But it does make you wonder what the state of the marriage is if they can’t even live in the same 20 room mansion as each other.

    • Cecilia says:

      Maybe they intended to be hands on and keep the kids with them as they went to school. But as their marriage is breaking down maybe they want the kids out of that environment? Hence the boarding school? This is all speculation of course. But if its about to get ugly then i can see why they wouldn’t want the kids there.

      • Sofia says:

        I know what you mean but even if the kids’ are in boarding school, they’re going to realise something isn’t right in their parents’ marriage. Kids are a lot more perceptive and may know more than you think. George is turning 8 next month so he’s probably realising if not already and 6 year old Charlotte will soon follow.

        Like I said above, if they can’t even live in the same 20 bedroom London home and the 10 bedroom Norfolk home then the marriage isn’t looking good.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There could be something to that, Sofia. Harry was sent to Ludgrove in September, in December that year Charles and Diana announced their separation.

      • Harper says:

        Maybe Wills wants Kate out of Anmer by the start of the school year. The ten years are up and he has fulfilled his part of the contract. He has the two kids he contracted for and that’s why George and Charlotte were only in the Sandringham Father’s Day photo op. Louis is Kate’s plaything/consolation baby and not part of the arrangement so he will not be trotted out in the same way George and Charlotte will.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Harper – Do you really think Baldy could be this cruel to Louis?

        Meghan, Harry & Kate I understand the behavior but Louis, his own flesh and blood?

      • Harper says:

        @BayTampaBay–Harry is his own blood too and look how Prince Mad Again treats him. I’m just wondering if part of the bargain with having Louis was that he was given more of a private life, with George and Charlotte being pushed forward as the official public faces of the next Cambridge generation.

    • Becks1 says:

      I agree that this seems to be about getting Kate out of Norfolk -her choice or William’s?

      • Sofia says:

        Who knows? I can see them both agreeing that Kate getting out of Norfolk is a good idea. She gets to be closer to mummy and pretend William isn’t cheating (or at least not see it). He gets to cheat without seeing the wife and kids around (if he cared before) and pretend he’s a bachelor.

      • The Hench says:

        I say Kate’s. She doesn’t have any link to Norfolk – her family are all in Berkshire and around there is where she grew up and went to school. Also, it’s closer to get to London.

        Fascinating isn’t it that the whole Middleton clan are basically buying houses almost next door to each other. First Pips and her TMW husband, then Alizee and James Middleton – basically if Wills buys Kate a house then the tradition of the Middletons having their wealthier other halves buy Bucklebury will be complete.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Maybe a little bit of both? Kate probably wants to be closer to her family, and William wants her away from his gardening grounds. Anmer really is a curious matter because I was always under the impression that Kate favored that home over Apartment 1A: more privacy, far away from royal duties, renovations tailored to her (and Carole’s) tastes.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        I think the property buying near their parents is them closing ranks around not only Kate but themselves – they are preparing for the divorce and sh!tstorm that will come with it. The press have been itching to unload on Kate and the Middletons for years as well.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Beach Dreams, all of Apartment 1A was ripped apart and redone to Kate’s taste too.

      • Yeah, Kate can drive biracial Meghan out of the UK, but she can’t drive Aristo Rose out of Norfolk. Must be such a constant source of bitterness for her!

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        Apartment 1A has been redone to Kate’s taste Twice and had several furniture turnovers.
        That’s via old twitter catching Kate furniture shop and then deliveries seen at KP.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Of course 1A was renovated to Kate’s tastes too, but I’m saying that with Anmer there was a greater level of privacy and freedom for her. To me it always seemed like the latter home was an escape from the less ‘fun’/appealing aspects of being royal.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They could be selecting a school that has both day students and boarders.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Would not Day School be a security nightmare?

      • notasugarhere says:

        The security is managed around the London school and preschool for their kids now, it will be managed for wherever they end up at school. Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, James all did Day Schools in Windsor/Berkshire area for some/all of their education.

    • Kfg says:

      Idk, maybe Louis isn’t Wills kid…

      • Sofia says:

        Let’s not. We can discuss the state of the Cambridge marriage without saying that one of the kids isn’t William’s. That’s going a bit too far and there’s no reason to bring the kids paternity into this without proof.

    • PrincessK says:

      George was always going to go to boarding school, it is part of the training. He will probably go to Eton too.

  20. Me says:

    I don’t think they’ll divorce—they’re fine with separate lives, BUT PWT has to keep a press lid on his affairs to keep the facade going. He’ll keep serving up ridiculousness about the Sussexes to protect himself from the public exposure of his string side interests.

    • Merricat says:

      I think there’s a shelf life for this kind of nastiness, and if the Sussexes continue to live their lives productively, people will reach a limit of what they can stomach or care about. William is not going to be crown prince on the basis of nasty stories about his brother and sister in law.

      • SnoodleDumpling says:

        It is fairly clear that the tabloids are seeing less and less engagement with the Sussex hate (and are maybe getting sick of it themselves), or else they wouldn’t be making such obvious jabs at various other royals they way they have been the last six months or so (I think? time is a tangled skein of yarn with a kitten tangling it up ever more).

        The press is getting restless both in their articles and on twitter, so they’re definitely sitting on some juicy stuff they don’t WANT to be sitting on…

    • Becks1 says:

      So, two points about the comments that this is about separate lives but they will never divorce.

      They could get away with separate lives now (and probably that’s what’s happening). Kate in London, William in Norfolk, and then they switch. With the helicopters, no one knows who is living where and when.

      But also, the titles. I don’t think William OR charles is going to want Kate to be Princess of Wales if she’s just hanging out in Berkshire and barely pretending to be a working royal anymore. They might not even want her to be Duchess of Cornwall – in which case the divorce needs to happen before William becomes Duke of Cornwall.

      • Jais says:

        Also the media. Feel like the tabloids will eventually write about a separation and then what’s keeping them from getting a divorce if the family image is lost? Do you think this is such an open secret that most of the tabloid writers already know or only some? How many are writing these happy couple stories knowing the truth? Geez it’s crazy

      • JT says:

        @Becks1 This is a good point. If Kate is in Berkshire, close to mummy, there is no way in hell she will be doing much royal work. She barely does any now. And at that point, why the hell does she need to be a royal at all? Maybe Charles could use this for more slimming down; it’s not like Kate is actually fit to be consort anyway. It was really dumb for William to treat H&M so badly because, funnily enough, they could’ve helped him weather the storm of divorce. It could’ve been a new trio if you will, at least from a PR standpoint. H&M could have been shouldering the work and spotlight while William is going “through a hard time”.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Financially it makes sense for a divorce to happen before he even become Duke of Cornwall, as Duchess she has a claim to some of that money.

        Diana got £10mill in her divorce which was a lot for the time – Kate will milk the RF and William/Chuck for all she can if they divorce. We know how much she loves to spend other people’s money.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I’m of the mind that Kate will never be Princess of Wales, far less Queen. I truly believe that once Liz passes, all bets are off. Keeping up appearances until she goes is the perilously thin thread holding this sham marriage together for now (and also trying — barely — to save face in the wake of Sussexit). But once King Charles ascends? Let the shitshow commence.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate would have no claim on the Duchy, just as Diana had no claim on it. Diana’s £17 million settlement was every penny of Charles’s personal money that he’d gotten through the years (mostly from family inheritances and investments). It wasn’t Duchy money. He even had to borrow a few private millions from Liz to cover the demands.

      • Lady Esther says:

        @nota Which actually gives the lie to those who claim that Duchy money is somehow “private.” If it was, surely Diana would have gone after it as well?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Lady Esther – I think Diana received an additional £600,000 BPS a year to run her office and KP household from the Duchy of Cornwall and Charles had to pick up all the additional expenses (child support???) on Baldy & Harry. However, I could be wrong. Nota knows much more about this than I do.

        One thing I do know for sure is that Diana agreed to drop the HRH for more money. This dropping of the HRH was an agreement between her and Charles if I recall correctly. Again, Nota would know more about nature of this “agreement” than I do. However, I do know without a single doubt, Diana did trade her HRH style for more $£$£$£$

        Duchy of Cornwall Money – This is complicated but well explained on Wikipedia. The over simplified version is that Chucky III does not have carte blanche access to the capital and proceeds of the Duchy. Chucky III is a given a percentage of the profits each year and this becomes Chuck’s personal wallet. A percentage of the profits are give to HMRC in lieu of traditional income tax. Any other yearly proceeds left over are kept by the Duchy and become part of the Duchy’s capital.

      • Sunday says:

        actually going through with a divorce as opposed to living separate lives only makes sense if a child is involved. If will has a child out there that he wants to “claim,” I think he’d need to be divorced to do it, particularly if it would have any impact on the line of succession. (Incidentally, will having a child would also be the only way Kate would have a chance at the PoW title if they divorce.)

        bc otherwise I completely agree that there’s no way these extremely private people would choose to get a public divorce when they can get along just like the rest of the aristos do and live separately.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Incidentally, will having a child would also be the only way Kate would have a chance at the PoW title if they divorce.”


      • Sunday says:

        @BayTampaBay, that was my convoluted way of saying, the rumors about Will having a child out of wedlock somewhere would be the only leverage I can possibly imagine Kate having in her favor, bc Becks is correct that while Will and Charles would absolutely hate having another divorced Princess of Wales to contend with, I think we all agree that CarolE and Kate are in this for titles and power, and wouldn’t go quietly without either. I don’t think they particularly care about the Duchess of Cornwall title, it’s Princess of Wales or bust. Sans lovechild, I don’t see any possible way that the cambridges proceed with a divorce or even publicly separate; they’d just quietly lead separate lives, doing joint engagements and family activities/holidays when needed to show a “united front.”

        So, what I meant was that IMO, the only way Kate would ever agree to a public separation or divorce is if that lovechild really exists. I don’t think cheating rumors (or proof) are enough on their own. And therefore, IF that child exists, Will would desperately need Kate to not go nuclear, hence it being the only possible way she’d ever have a crack at the PoW title if divorce is a possibility, Charles and Will wouldn’t allow it otherwise.

        This is a really long-winded and dramatic way of saying I think they probably are just throwing a tantrum and want a shiny new mansion to compete with the Sussexes, because there’s no way in hell that the cambridges would publicly divorce anytime soon.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Sunday – Thank you for your response.

        Footnote: Rose’s daughter is not William’s. Lady Iris Marina Aline Cholmondeley is a Cholmondeley through and through.

      • Sunday says:

        @BayTampaBay the rumor i heard was actually about jecca’s son (not that I believe that either), but your point stands.

      • Becks1 says:

        But part of the issue is that they CANT quietly live completely separate lives at this point, in 2021. The pandemic may have given them a cover but going forward? If Kate is in Berkshire for extended periods (ie permanently) and William is in London or Norfolk…..that will come out and won’t be “quiet.” With social media, it’s going to come out. Look at how many of us here looked at the Sandringham zooms and said “huh, that’s weird.”

        This will get out sooner rather than later and personally, in 2021, I think a divorce looks bette than just long term affairs and living hundreds of miles apart.

  21. Lauren says:

    The irony is the parallels running between Charles and Diana and William and Kate. They are at the separation process, then comes the interview, and then the divorce. Kate might not have Dianas’s charm and charisma, but she has a family and however Kardashian-Jenner they may seem, they have her back which is a lot more than Diana had. The poor woman was alone through the whole of it. The royal roaches could run stories for months, but they would rather torment the Sussexes.

    • L84Tea says:

      That’s what’s so crazy to me. The press is desperate for content to feast on, and yet they have a buffet right in front of them with W&K that they choose to ignore.

      • Cecilia says:

        They are ignoring it because it could mean serious trouble for the future of the monarchy as a whole. And with that i mean the way people look at the monarchy. And that is something the right wings conservative royal rota’s do not want. Despite their own opinions about royal family members, they have reverence for the institution.

        The irony in all of this is that had the “firm” treated harry & meghan better a divorce could have happened without a scratch. But to cast 2 of your most senior royals out followed by a divorce? People will put up question marks at the monarchy and not only that. They will again, look at the way diana was treated

      • Jais says:

        Yes, the buffet is right there! At some point, you’d think they would write about it. Are they waiting for the Queen to pass?

      • JT says:

        William, and the monarchy, might be able to weather a divorce but they will need real crisis managers, not the fake ones they have now. You know, actual professionals from a real PR firm. They will need to be incredibly strategic and go so damn sloppy like they did with H&M. But they are the royals so…it will be shitshow.

      • MsIam says:

        Maybe there have been a few discrete transfers of funds into certain bank accounts? Or, more likely, information has been obtained illegally and in today’s world its harder for the media to make things like that fly. No one in the Rota gives the impression they are fundamentally decent people who are not out to hurt someone. They all seem like the types who enjoy twisting the knife. There’s got to be a reason why they are holding back this story.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I doubt another divorce is what will bring down the Windsors. Three of the Queen’s children are divorced. Her nephew is divorced. Many of her close cousins are divorced.

        Forty percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce. Two Uni ‘sweethearts’ who never should have married got married, then couldn’t make it stick in the face of global attention? That’s not a big story.

      • S808 says:

        I think they like did with Charles and Diana, they’re ignoring it until they simply can’t anymore. H&M’s rehashed stories are still more profitable than the Keens right now. I think this could be the trickle of a larger story that will eventually come out though.

    • swirlmamad says:

      If Kate did a Panorama-style interview it would be like lobbing a nuclear bomb, with everyone running for the hills from the fallout. It would never land the way Diana’s interview did — with mainly sympathy/empathy for her situation and the cruel way she was treated. I know I for one will not feel a shred of sympathy for her if and when this happens, and not just because she doesn’t have even a drop of Diana’s likability and reliability in her pinky finger.

      • Calibration says:

        i doubt anyone is concerned about Kate doing a long-form interview, given she can’t say even a few words without a script.

    • Demi says:

      Once the rota make their last dime on the Sussex they will move on to the Cambridges and it will be happening sooner because the Sussex left so no new leaks and they been repeating old stories for years.. The Cambridges enjoyed positive coverage for the past 4 years which the rota can’t make good money out of so they will drag them eventually.. The more the rota is building them up the lower the drag would be later..

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “The more the rota is building them up the lower the drag would be later.”

        Which is very sad.

        I wonder if Meghan & Harry will invite/ allow Baldingham to stay in their Montecito guesthouse for awhile in order to lie low and away from The Daily Fail if the going gets too tough?????

      • Demi says:

        Yeah, Fergie said that on Oprah back in the day. If you look up Royal coverage there are consistent examples Fergie Diana Charles princess Margret Sophie Harry, Meghan, and even the queen following Di death no one ever had only positive coverage the rota is one thirsty beast they will drag whoever they want if it means they will get more money. Puff pieces don’t sell papers. Not sure if Baldie would go to the US but maybe that would give him a reason to heal his relationship with Harry I think it’s keen wiglet who will be dragged the most.

  22. Over it says:

    I am sure that the refurbishment of KP cost a lot more than that, who the f are they trying to kid. Also yeah. That marriage is way over

    • notasugarhere says:

      It was well over £7 million, spread out over a couple of budget years to make it look smaller. That was just the structural demands they made, like opening walls, exposing asbestos, and then being required to deal with the asbestos. If you leave it in place, never disturbed, it isn’t a problem.

  23. Over it says:

    Kate an almost 40 year old woman still can’t survive without her mummy daily meddling. Time to grow the F up Kate and Handle your own f—-ing messy life.

  24. Cessily says:

    Wonder if they can find a suitable property because they will require more than 16 bathrooms being the Future-future king and QC.🙄.

  25. NTheMiddle says:

    Maybe the new house is payment to Kate for her acting gig on that cheesy commercial?

  26. S808 says:

    Yeah I think their marriage is imploding.

    • Cessily says:

      PW is at the very stereotypical age for a “mid-life crisis”. Especially after a lackluster 20 year relationship. Nothing would surprise me.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      And it must be serious if it’s come to Kate and the kids moving to Berkshire. Anmer Hall, Apt. 1A, and the numerous royal properties William can always run off too aren’t enough anymore? I’m not someone who thinks they’ll definitely divorce but I’m also in the ‘never say never’ camp. People didn’t think Charles and Diana would (or could) divorce and look what happened. Somehow I doubt William will be spending much, if any, time in Berkshire beyond brief visits.

      • Becks1 says:

        This is a good point. Kate isn’t running to Berkshire just because she doesn’t want to live with William anymore. They could keep doing what we have speculated they’re already doing – William at Sandringham/Wood Farm, Kate in London or at Anmer.

        Wonder if this is the price for her quiet exit – “I want a house near my parents and I get control over the children’s education.”

        ETA because we all need to remember that this house is likely going to be paid for by Charles or the Queen, and my guess is that it will be easier for that to happen if they are still married (so it’s not part of a divorce settlement or anything, its just their house, and then down the road a divorce is announced and oh its just so much easier for Kate to stay in Berkshire where she’s already established.) But at any rate no one – not Charles, not the Queen, and not William – is going to pay for this house “just because” Kate wants to be closer to her parents, if its not part of something bigger.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Putting her in a privately-purchased house, using millions in taxpayer funds to renovate and secure it wouldn’t go over well. There aren’t that many large Crown Estate properties left to choose from at Windsor, but Windsor is already secured.

        They could throw the former Canadian ambassador out of Fort Belvedere. There’s small Garden House, where QEII used to hide her cousin Margaret Rhodes. Kate could ask Harry and Meghan to kick Eugenie out of Frogmore Cottage. Or move in with her new bestie, Sophie, at Bagshot.

        Windlesham Moor in Windsor, privately owned, briefly the home of Liz and Philip. Sold by the family to Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum (UAE).

        Cumberland Lodge, still owned by the Crown Estate, located in Windsor. Currently the home of a charity, but W&K threw out Historic Royal Palaces charity to get 1A.

        If they try moving W&K (or just Kate) to Frogmore House, that would be a huge PR mistake.

      • Sofia says:

        @nota could Kate be housed in Adelaide Cottage on the Windsor estate? Far as I can tell, no one lives there

      • notasugarhere says:

        Oh, good one! I completely forgot about Adelaide Cottage. In my mind I was going through all the places that had been suggested for Harry and Meghan. If someone lives there now, they could be moved to make room for Kate and kids.

        Does beg the question though. If Kate and kids move to Berkshire/Windsor area, how will William play his ‘best single father’ role easily? We might see William getting a small place at Windsor too. Or being given a large suite of rooms at Windsor Castle, because you know, the Queen wants to train him up personally and he’s so valuable to Liz.

      • L84Tea says:

        @Beach Dreams, remember when we used to all speculate about Harry and Meghan moving to California on this site, but were all in agreement that ‘no way in hell’ was that ever, ever going to happen simply because it seemed so unimaginable? And look, it actually happened. I have a very difficult time believing W&K will ever divorce, but I don’t know. I think after the queen dies, a lot of chips are going to start falling. W&K’s marriage seems to have reached the point where it’s teetering on the edge of a cliff. Never say never indeed.

      • Lady Esther says:

        The only house on the Windsor grounds that would be “suitable” in terms of ego and rank for William would be Frogmore House (not Cottage), I would think…I can see William making a play for that, but the Berkshire scenario is far more likely

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nota I agree that it wouldn’t go over well (a newly purchased home for Kate) but the Cambs just kind of do what they want sometimes. I didn’t think Kate just not working would go over well but it seems people have accepted it. And if that’s the price that Kate demands to go quietly into the night? I think it would happen.

        I do think one of the biggest benefits of staying on the Windsor estate is that it would be easier to hide William’s comings and goings, especially if the marriage is basically done. But I think the point of this is to get Kate as close to her family as possible.

      • Nic919 says:

        Seeing the freak out over Frogmore Cottage, I don’t think anyone but the most sycophantic royalists will find it acceptable for Kate to be given another house. She already has two of them. They will have to announce a separation to justify this new home, unless they get rid of Anmer Hall.

        Especially in this era of Brexit, there won’t be a lot of sympathy for another taxpayer funded home. This will have to be explained as something that is privately paid for and even then many will speculate about a separation.

      • Calibration says:

        I agree with everyone about the marriage has imploded. PWT has been very unhappy, even for him. Kate has been ott being the Keen linchpin McButtons and all these stories embiggening have not worked.

        I know someone said upthread that CarolE is on PWT side and not Kates, and I don’t feel sorry for Kate, she made her bed and threw everyone else under the bus along the way, but neither Kate nor Will look well. Kate is almost skin and bone, she’s alone at Amner with the kids and the staff with no personal support around her unless CarolE is there staying. Moving close to the family might just be the support that she needs for her health. I don’t know if they’ll get divorced, i would have said never but we all know PWT could well dump her without too many repercussions. I’m sure he/the family have as many receipts on the middletons as they do on them.

        Maybe CarolE is finally being a mother to her daughter and saying, come be here near us for your own good? OK it’s more like she wants to control the kids but we can all hope there’s a maternal instinct in this.

    • Topaz says:

      It seems the marriage already has imploded and they are trying to find a big enough carpet to hide it. There are no pictures of the keenbridges at the Royal Ascot instead seperate events around the same time. The incredible nastiness coming from KP (seems Piers Morgan is the new crisis manager) and the weird reaction from the Middleton camp is just so out there. What is this sentence about the future Queen and her husband?

      • Lady Esther says:

        Will be interesting if they show up together at Wimbledon…

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate normally attends Wimbledon on her own and so it wouldn’t be unusual if William doesn’t attend with her. And Kate attends Wimbledon diligently, maternity leave or not and if covid wouldn’t have cancelled it last year she would have been there as well.

  27. bamaborn says:

    Read as, “Kate and Ma Middleton are looking for property closer to Buckleberry Manor for her and the kids.” There, fixed it.

  28. Eurydice says:

    I’m 100% on board with this theory, but what about the Future Queen’s Royal Foundation for Whatsits?

    • Merricat says:

      She was never going to actually do anything but wander by for a visit every few years.

    • Eurydice says:

      @Merricat and Lorelei – I can see the occasional fly-bys. The staff frantically dusting the unused offices, setting up the antiquated office equipment, grabbing random books from other rooms to fill the bookcases, drawing pie charts on a whiteboard (85% now believe!). And the photo to commemorate – should she be grinning on the phone, signing a random piece of paper, pointing to the chart…

  29. Hanna says:

    Lol something weird is going in team Middleton. One thing for sure is pippa and Kate marraige is runned by ma Middleton. Recently I read pippa and james looking for home near carole. I think this new house will be divorce property for Kate . Charles doesnt spend money that easily. This is the only way Charles may agree. I dont think William is going to give up his rose bush estate. Something really weird going on mama Middleton house . Also bp courtiers always complain abt Kate being lazy and they dont voluntarily give money to cambriges unless some serious divorce talk going on. Diana kept her kp place. Kate is not fond of london , so I think this country home might be her settlement. Let’s see…

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Hanna, I posted before seeing your comment but I totally agree with your theory. Last week DM reported on James buying a big, pricy (like 1.4 million) home with money that no one knew he had. It could actually be a settlement home for Kate, paid for by William.

      • Nic919 says:

        That’s what I was wondering, if the home they attributed to James was really for Kate.

  30. Beach Dreams says:

    Ooh. Didn’t DM also recently report on James buying a new home in Berkshire with slight jabs about how he could even afford it? Maybe the issue of having a place to stay is already quietly settled. I checked the post from several days ago and it certainly has enough rooms for Kate and the kids…just a theory. Maybe it IS really for James and his fiancee, but DM has dropped these two stories pretty closely together; technically this came out last Friday/weekend. The tabloids love to play connect the dots with their dirt.

    • MsIam says:

      I think Kate and the Middletons would hold out for a more pricey place. For Prince George the future, future, future king’s sake of course.

      • Lady D says:

        I’m thinking more in the ten million range myself. No way the Duchess of Cambridge slums it in a million dollar hovel.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        That IS a good point, especially given how “grand” Kate and Carole are. But how much leverage do you think they’d have at this point? Carole and Mike only have Bucklebury Manor thanks to William’s generosity (lol) and that was secured early in the Cambridge marriage. I think now, when the marriage is clearly on the rocks at best, pushing their luck and demanding more would be a very risky move. Even with Kate being the future king’s mother and William’s constant philandering, the Middletons are still the weaker party here. William’s got the palace and the British press behind him if he needs to send a message to his greedy in-laws.

      • Inge says:

        isnt their other son-in-law filthy rich?

  31. Robin says:

    Goodness. I hadn’t really paid much attention to the separate lives thing, thinking Kate Middleton would stick like glue to the life she’s pursued for decades. Perhaps it is his raging, his affairing, his obsessing about his sister in law, that has tipped her over the edge. Could this be what Meghan meant by Kate being a “good person”, ie a trapped one?

  32. MsIam says:

    Looking back at the videos from the Biden visit Kate looked really terrible imo, like she’s withering away. Something is definitely up with her. Kate and William have the whole stage to themselves now, why run off to the country and disappear? They have been pushing the whole “perfect love story” idea so why would they need to work on their marriage? Makes no sense unless you are trying to hide something and everything has been a lie. And that whole “separate lives” thing may have worked a hundred yards ago or for someone in the Queen’s generation but not anymore. Too many eyes, ears and cell phones around.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The stress of Kate needing to ‘move to the country to get away’ will all be blamed on Meghan of course. Not the loveless marriage with the known cheating husband.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Yep, now we know why the blitz of Meghan stories is reaching a fever pitch. Look at that meanie not look at Thumb and Lynchpin packing up the moving truck.

      • Becks1 says:

        We saw the precursor to this in the Tatler article. Kate felt her children were thrown under the bus, she’s working as hard as a top CEO but without the vacation time (lol for days), etc. I think some of us speculated at the time that Sussexit was going to be used as the reason for their separation – I think it will either be that Kate can’t handle the increased stress and workload, OR Kate will be blamed for Meghan leaving.

        I think how Kate handles this will determine which story is put out there.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        The Tatler article was good but the Royal Foibles article released about a year earlier was even better!

        ETA: Sorry I dropped something!

      • JT says:

        I think Kate will be blamed for H&M leaving. Even though William is going ham right now, the Kate made meg cry story got way more traction, because it came from Meg. That will be the focus. I don’t think anybody can say that Kate cracked from the works strain; all they have to do is look at the court circular. Basically she’s only done 115 engagements anyway for ten years. The 95 year old queen outworks her. Kate’s jealousy will be the reason she had to go and then she roped William into breaking away from his believed brother. They will say she ruined the slimming plans, and therefore the monarchy, by attacking H&M. She will get no sympathy. Plus, she is horribly unfit to be consort and I’m sure they’ll have all of the examples they’ve been sitting on to prove it.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “I think Kate will be blamed for H&M leaving.”

        I do not think that will work as Meghan made it quite clear in the Oprah interview that Kate “is a good woman” and been going through a lot of “something”. H&M do not seem to be pointing a finger at Kate.

      • JT says:

        @Bay I don’t believe H&M are blaming Kate or will blame her. Meghan telling the truth about the cry story hurt Kate’s reputation and it’s is something that has stuck, which will make it easier for the firm to zero in. I think they absolutely make it all Kate’s fault, with an assist from William who just “wanted to support his wife.”Somebody always has to take the blame. Throw in Carole and Uncle Gary’s shenanigans and they have themselves a scapegoat.

  33. Janethetrain says:

    Kate may not be the best at it, but she’s still better than the rest of the family. Even if the stories are from Carole, Kate has been doing the majority of the heavy lifting (aka smiling) for a while now. Wasn’t there an article yesterday about William being MIA for the past few weeks, while she’s been umbrella holding as keeninator 2.0?

    Single Dad William has been his best play moving forward, based on his wondering willy. However if Kate is out, she can have cousin playdates and reconcile. “Kate is a good person” is looking like a better team to join everyday. William and Charles can’t let the Sussexes go, even to their own detriment. If she leaves now she can give her own Oprah interview and say it wasn’t me.

    • bamaborn says:

      This could explain why Chuck is sooo angry at Prince Harry. They would all have been in the know about the Keenbridges “marriage.” You spend your life waiting on the Crown, get your image rehabilitated(even manage to get Cammies’ rehabed to a certain degree) and then, this. Shame on Harry.

  34. Mina_Nur says:

    I don’t think separation is in the cards. William has always wanted to be closer to the Middleton’s than his own family. Makes sense that he would move closer to Kate’s siblings whilst making a show of how much he despises his own brother. They just want to be lazier and maybe get away from Norfolk. Kate will tolerate sporadic rose bush trimming as long as it’s not happening in her own back yard.

    • notasugarhere says:

      If they wanted to be close to Kate’s family, they would have demanded from the start their marital home be a Crown Estate property at Windsor. Instead, they went with Anmer on the Sandringham Estate.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I had read in some book years ago that William wanted to be in Norfolk to be close to his best Turnip Toff buddies the van Straubenzee and van Cutsem dudes.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Eh, like nota said, if William really wanted to be close to them he would’ve arranged for closer living quarters years ago. The Middletons also have form for catering to his every whim…if he wanted them to come over to Norfolk and set up camp there for instance, they would’ve done so in a heartbeat. Neither of those scenarios occurred.

  35. Mooney says:

    Looks like someone from KP is lurking here. I remember many people suggesting to for the Single Dad image and the Father’s Day appearance with two oldest could be the baby steps. And these school and home searching is another cover for separate residences. They’re really hiding behind the children.

    • goofpuff says:

      Oh they are always lurking here. Unfortunately they don’t take the real advice we give them.

  36. Marivic says:

    This explains probably why Kate has become anorexic. She’s not loved by her husband and was never loved by him and was betrayed by her close friend Rose. This has seriously affected her psychologically and resulted to her eating disorder. Hope she receives treatment for this and recover. This is maybe why she needs to live close to her family. Her family drives her to her therapist for treatment and sees to it that all her medical needs are met. Maybe this is also why Meghan called Kate a “good person .” She knew Kate was going through a lot herself and didn’t want to aggravate her situation. Meghan was being kind and compassionate to her. But she didn’t reciprocate this. Oh well…

    • Haylie says:

      Does anyone actually believe Rose was Kate’s best friend? Kate has no friends. Rose and David are Will’s friends. All of Kate’s friends are really just Will’s people.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Rose and David are/were close friends with the father/sons van Cutsems and father/sons van Straubenzees. William is friends with the sons van Cutsems and sons van Straubenzees. The circles overlap.

        Do not forget that David Rocksavage Cholmondeley (b. 1960) is the same age as and therefore an exact contemporary of Diana, Princess of Wales. David is closer in age to Chucky than he is to William.

      • kelleybelle says:

        She did have friends at one point but they were too “common” so she stopped spending time with them. It was all part of the plan to snag the prince.

      • goofpuff says:

        Oh Rose and Kate were never real friends. Kate doesn’t like rivals as friends. Maybe “frenemies”?

  37. notasugarhere says:

    I completely missed grifter Pippa’s Moderately Wealthy husband buying Bucklebury Farm Park. Made popular by repeated reports of the W&K kids being there, so of course, a Middleton had to buy it to keep grifting off royal connections.

  38. Lizzie says:

    Not buying keen is fed up, prince elegant has always treated her badly. I think he is putting her there and she can like it or leave, and he knows there is no way she is leaving. She has failed to launch for a decade so he is moving her out of the spotlight.

  39. Trudy says:

    Ah… the plot thickens…
    There is no way William is going to let his heir and future king be raised as a Middleton.
    This single Dad vibe on Father’s day was a precursor. He only wants the heir and the spare, Keen can have Louis, (William only wanted 2 children, Keen pushed for 3).

    George may be in bording school but William will have him every other weekend if not more. It took Autumn several years to divorce Peter and still she can not leave the country with her girls… and they are waaaaay down the line of succession and not even titled.

    Looking back with 20/20 hindsight. Keen was already desperately holding on to her marriage by her finger tips when Meghan arrived on the scene. Her one ally that William would semi listen to was Harry. Perhaps she was so upset with Meghan is because she was taking away her last hope of saving her marriage.

    Oddly, W&K’s obsession over losing Harry to Meghan actually brought back the “magic” to their marriage for awhile, but they pushed too far and the Sussexes left.

    I can COMPLETELY see William BLAMING Keen for Harry’s departure. She egged on William too much. Worm-tongue. So now they have nothing to bond over.

    Taking a moment to step into Keen’s shoes … seeing this dynamic woman entering the family while your position is precarious … yeah I could see Keen plotting to get rid of her. “If I can not be the star of the family then no one can”… This must have been particularly painful for Keen since she was groomed from birth for this marriage.

    As usual, the Sussexes are detraction …

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “I can COMPLETELY see William BLAMING Keen for Harry’s departure.”

      @Trudy – Please continue and elaborate as I am thoroughly enjoying your dissertation on the Keenbridges.

    • Jais says:

      Trudy, your analysis of Kate is giving me Lady Macbeth vibes lol

    • Calibration says:

      I was thinking this myself as that’s what narcissists do: they blame the ones around them when they turn on them. All this Meghan is a narc was simply projection. PWT is the narc in this scenario. Once they turn, everyone else better run for cover.

      I think he will happily blame Kate but now he’s hating on Meghan so much, she’s part of the fallout. That messaging was coming from William not the Midds. and it was very hateful. Interesting Kaiser posted some pics i’ve not seen before of Will and Meghan being very friendly, he was touching her shoulder, she touched his arm. So something changed dramatically.

  40. Amelia says:

    Imagine being the ffk and you’ve worked “hard” (cough smear campaign cough) to try and raise the platform for your own popularity with the news outlets that would constantly report you as being lazy and petulant for you to be reported as “the future Queen and her husband Prince William” and not “the Future King”.


    (Not really, serves him right)

  41. Likeyoucare says:

    Make willie pay for the most expensive house, khate. You go girl.

    I am sure when your divorce starts, all your fans and meghans haters will root for you just like your late mother in law.

    You deserve this khate for making meghan’s life a living hell.

  42. GRUEY says:

    If anyone reads to this point I just want to say thank you again for giving me another riveting lunch hour speculating about the greatest gossip mystery of the century. So many breadcrumbs!!!!

    I just always return to Meghan’s obvious pity for Kate in the Oprah interview. It’s bad folks.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Grief this times 💯!

    • Becks1 says:

      I was just thinking that Gruey. When you look back at that part of the interview – Meghan clearly felt sorry for Kate, she seemed almost protective of her. She was very careful in what she said, you can see how she was thinking about each word. Meghan knows what is going on and she feels sorry for Kate because of it. It’s bad like you said.

      • MipMip says:

        I can’t help but feel sorry for Kate and I think about Meghan’s comments about her in the Oprah interview too. Meghan clearly had compassion for her, even after all Kate did to her. That’s partly down to Meghan being a better, more empathetic person, but I don’t think even Meghan would be that sympathetic if she didn’t know how bad it really is, ie worse than any of us think. I think he’s abusive and that’s part of the reason they can’t even live on the same estate.

        Kate was truly groomed for this life by her mother, from birth. You can see it with Pippa too but Pippa probably didn’t get the brunt of it since Carole was so focused on making Kate the future queen. Carole is pathological- narcissist probably.

        So Kate was groomed for this by one narcissist and then passed off to Williot, another narcissist. It’s no wonder she never formed her own personality because she’s spent her whole life bending to others’ wants and desires.

        I think it is all coming to a head. There have been a lot of comments on here about how both Kate and William look… bad. William looks 20 years older than he is and Kate is thinner than she’s ever been. Neither of them can continue like this.

        NONE of this excuses Kate’s racism and internalized misogyny which she weaponized against Meghan and Harry. But multiple things can be true at once and the more I read about the state of the Cambridge marriage the more I think this woman has spent 40 years in a very bad place.

  43. MA says:

    I could buy they’re going to lead separate lives and there is enough tea to confirm the affair or affairs. I don’t really buy they’ll divorce. If they were going to divorce, why all the elaborate “happy family” PR blitzes and YouTube channel? Would they build up the Single Dad image and cut down on the joint engagements?

    • Cessily says:

      I know many couples who do the “perfect family “ social media blitz and push then six months later want privacy for their family as they go through the whole “amicable split” phase. It seems to be a cycle that has become almost predictable.
      Now when anyone tells you “how wonderfully happy and secure the are in their love” I am cynical just waiting for the separation and divorce announcement.

      • MA says:

        Ooo thats a really good point and so true.

      • Inge says:


      • MerryGirl says:

        This is soooo true. I remember Heidi Klum & Seal all over each other, renewing vows and presenting the ‘marriage of the century’ image for the world to see and then BAM! irreconcilable differences, please give us privacy at this time, yada yada yada.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Totally — it’s Social Media 101. Happens like clockwork every time, gushing about your amazing spouse and marriage before the inevitable implosion.

        @MerryGirl — when the public, over-the-top vow renewal happens you know the divorce lawyer is pretty much knocking on the door.

  44. TheOriginalMia says:

    Sounds like a soon-to-be divorcee move. She’s getting a house closer to her family because she won’t be needed in London anymore as the DoC. Oh, well…

  45. intheknow says:

    I love how some from Salty Island like to call the Markles trash and grifters (which they are 100%) but the MiddleScams are the MAJOR grifters the royal family will have seen for years and years. Uncle Scary Gary has been yanking William’s chain especially in that last interview he did. He wanted a reaction from Willy. It was almost an ‘I dare you to divorce my niece’.

    Given that William has gotten what he wanted (Meg and Harry out of England) he certain looks sick AF. I am not talking about all the jaw clenching. He looks physically ill and it aint long COVID symptoms haunting him. He has the look of a man carrying the boulder of boulders on his back + an illness.

    The desperation by the men in grey to thrown any and everything at Harry and Meghan in the hopes something sticks and serves as a distraction.

    William wants out and he’s getting antsy. The MiddleSCams know this hence why loose cannon Gary mouthing off. Kate has aged in donkey years. This woman has NOTHING to worry about in terms of what normal people deal with (jobs, lack of money, security etc) so why is she aging so fast..and it aint all poor genes (her moms looks great for 67) and all the cigarettes. There’s a pending divorce/separation. But that wont be the big news or leaks about these two.

    What ever it is, it will be bigger than TamponGate.

    • L84Tea says:

      I’ve been saying that for a while now on Twitter and got scoffed at. I think William looks not well. Not sure if it’s illness, alcoholism, a drug problem, or just being eaten alive from the inside out with unhappiness. But he does not look well at all.

      • SueBarbri says:

        I agree. William is still a relatively young man, but (as I said in a different thread and has been said by millions before me, I’m certain), he’s starting to look exactly like the Duke of Kent. That’s concerning. He’s too young to look *this* bad.

        Harry’s looks have changed over the years, but he still looks like himself. William looks like a pale monster at this point. As though he has a wasting disease. Yikes.

        Yesterday was his birthday and I didn’t see one fawning article from the RR. That’s telling. They’re paid to prop him up, essentially, but nobody had one good word to say about him. I waited all day for the propaganda to start, but there was nothing. Not even a word about his elegance or whatever troubling nonsense they were trying to peddle earlier this year.

      • Sunday says:

        ITA, L84Tea. He does not look healthy at all. He looks like people I’ve known who have had cancer or liver disease, honestly. He’s very thin, almost brittle, and anemic like he hasn’t been outside in years. Like you, I wonder if it’s just his own bitter misery eating him from the inside out, or if it’s something more serious…

      • Jais says:

        There was a body found near anmer wasn’t there? Lol just saying a murder mystery is bigger than a separation/divorce.

      • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

        Purely hypothetical question: If William had, for the sake of argument, leukaemia, would they hypothetically tell the public, or would they cover it up?

  46. Tiffany says:

    She really thought hating Meghan to the point of obsession was the spark her marriage needed and would keep Other Brother at home.

    She is indeed wrong.

  47. Snuffles says:

    Considering how shit Kate is at the job and how it’s only going to get harder from now on, maybe she’s now open to a divorce with a hefty settlement so she can back out of her duties that she never wanted to do in the first place. She can be a lady of leisure “raising” her kids. Maybe just be a socialite.

    • Sofia says:

      I agree she never really wanted to work but she wants that crown no matter what so she will stick by William come what may. Now it could be she’s decided after 10 years in and seeing the Sussexes live in California away from the royal circus, that the crown isn’t worth it but I doubt that.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “Maybe just be a socialite.”

      Who would she socialize with?

      • Snuffles says:

        A socialite generally spends a significant amount of time attending various fashionable social gatherings.

        I mean, Kate loves to shop and at best likes to see and be seen in designer frocks. And maybe if she ever had to stop worrying about outshining William, she might develop some hobbies. She used to be quite sporty.

      • Sid says:

        I recall reading that Melissa Percy said once she divorced that van Straubenzee guy, she was pretty much cut out of the social circle. She, who is from one of the most well-known aristocratic lines there is. If that happened to her, then what would happen to regular degular Kate?

      • lanne says:

        There would be plenty of people who would want to socialize with a former future future Queen consort of England. (I said England on purpose). She could move to the US. The fake evangelicals of a place like suburban Dallas would gather around her like flies on shit. She would be the Queen of the Real Housewives of Dallas or Charleston. She could spend her life at country clubs with only 1black member who lives in another city and never visits. She could marry a republican and be perhaps a next First Lady. She could even give some respectability back to republicans who fear their Trumpian voters.

    • Harper says:

      Good point @Snuffles. Which is why we just got that video of Kate “working” and”listening” for ten years about The Importance Of The Early Years. Something solid she can point to when someone asks what she did for the past decade beyond birthing babies. It’s a big fat lie, of course, but it will fool some people if they don’t look too close.

    • Bromptonviewer says:

      So this isn’t where this thread is going but what if William actually IS ill? He certainly looks so and maybe the move to Berkshire and talk of other schools is to move the children to a protective bubble when he’s receiving treatments or if he doesn’t make it. Kate’s anorexia and maniacal smiles remind me of my mum trying to pretend everything was ok when my dad was diagnosed with terminal stage 4 pancreatic cancer. Only having two children at the photo op could have been because he couldn’t lift Louis so easier to pretend Kate was being home doting on the sleeping little one then have an awkward photo op. The affairs and divorce more likely but it is a possibility….also with the Future Queen. Maybe Future Queen Regent.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate would never be named Regent. You have to be in the line of succession to be named Regent, unless the other people in the line of succession and Parliament agree to you being Regent. Philip was only allowed to be named possible Regent to Charles because Princess Margaret, all of the Queen’s biddable cousins in the line, and Parliament agreed to it. No one, repeat, No one is going to hand the education of the future monarch to Clan Middleton.

      • SnoodleDumpling says:

        And to add on to @notasugarhere, the Regency Act of 1937 is pretty explicit in separating out the legal roles of Regent of a minor monarch and Legal Guardian of a minor monarch. If Queenie, Charles, and Will ALL die before George’s 18th birthday then his mother would be his legal guardian (provided she hasn’t died too) and regent would go to Harry (provided he hasn’t died too).

      • bamaborn says:

        Yes, this could definitely be a possibility. Don’t know if it’s the camera, but as a nurse, there are definitely wasting signs. Some suggested he may be suffering from long Covid. Either way, time will surely tell.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think there would be far more panic if William was that ill. He’s looking rough but it could be long covid. There is a lot we don’t know about long hauler effects and it comes and goes. But I also think he just generally not happy with his life.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I think if William were actually ill with something serious, we would be getting far more sympathetic stories about him than we have been. I think it’s as simple as his hateful obsession with getting back at Meghan/Harry for leaving and sticking him with a lifetime of self-imposed misery is eating him from the inside out. As has been said numerous times before, he is getting the face he deserves.

      • Calibration says:

        I would be amazed that they would be sending Will to Scotland with a serious illness that needs treatment. I guess It’s hard to know.

        Good chance Chuck will be around when George turns 18 so no regency may be required (if that ever comes up!)

      • Rose says:

        My guess is drugs or alcohol abuse. Particularly if he’s using to self medicate.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Philip was only allowed to be named possible Regent to Charles because Princess Margaret, all of the Queen’s biddable cousins in the line, and Parliament agreed to it.”

        Also, Philip WAS in the UK line of succession through his mother, very far down but in the line of succession no less. Philip was also born an HRH.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Rose: I’m with you on that. If there’s anything wrong with William, my gut tells me it’s substance abuse-related, not a chronic health issue. And unfortunately, the media is not going to treat him sympathetically due to a drug habit the way they would if he was suffering through an illness.

  48. kelleybelle says:

    Gawd, what an unattractive person he is. He really is. His evil soul is showing on the outside.

  49. Who Knows says:

    Windsor is in berksire. The queen is at Windsor and its been mentioned she will likely spend most of her time there.

    While I don’t think the Cambridge marriage is a happy one, I think this move is to get closer to the queen.

    Andrew is there. Edward is close, I believe. Eugenie is there. This is just a way to get closer to power. The Middleton being there is a happier coincidence for them.

    Can you imagine the headlines?

    “The children need to be close to their cousins, since Harry has abandoned them all.”

    “The queen needs to see her great grandchildren since Harry has abandoned them all.:

    “Kate pops over to see the queen regularly to bring muffins and to get keen queen lessons since they are so close.”

    “William should be king next since he’s supporting grannie so much. Where’s Charles?”

    “William and Kate can’t do more work since they are taking care of poor widowed grannie!”

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Has The Daily Fail paid you yet for these future headlines?

    • Becks1 says:

      I think the power is at Clarence House.

      • Who Knows says:

        Sure, the day to day power is with Charles. I absolutely agree. But Charles would want them to work. Which they clearly do not want to do. And public opinion is with the much more popular queen. In my scenario, they are tying themselves to her, not the less popular Charles.

        How many years benefit will they get from “they really supported HM in her last months/years” “she got so much joy being around her great grandchildren”

        People would lap that up.

    • Nic919 says:

      Unless there is talk of selling Anmer, they will not be giving the Cambridges another house, even if it is close to the Queen. The post Brexit and pandemic environment where the average Britons are facing a much tougher situation than ever before is not the time to gift Billy and Cathy another home closer to grandma.

      • notasugarhere says:

        W&K do not own Anmer, they are only allowed to live there grace-and-favour. Liz Windsor owns the entire Sandringham estate privately, including Anmer Hall. She has let other family live at Anmer Hall free before, like the Duke and Duchess of Kent. When it isn’t family, she rents it out for profit (Van Cutsems, kitchen designers).

      • Nic919 says:

        I still don’t see them getting away with getting another home unless something is done with Anmer. The Queen may own it, but trying to pretend that Kate needs a house closer to her parents won’t work without a confirmation of separation. Or Anmer is handed to someone else.

  50. Feebee says:

    I stopped dead at they’ll still have KP as their London home even when they’re Prince and Princess of Wales.

    Camilla, to the best of my knowledge, has never used or been referred to as that title. God, could you imagine?! But as inevitable as it, I don’t think I will be able to choke out Catherine, Princess of Wales. I don’t know why but growing up in the era of Diana, for me at least it’s like the title died with her. As irrational as it sounds.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Chucky is being fought tooth and toenail by the courtiers over the idea that he will reside at Clarence House once he becomes Charles III.

    • Lizzie says:

      Hopefully Charles will let them dangle a good long time waiting for the titles of POW after he is king.

  51. Jaded says:

    I give it until the end of the year then things will have fallen so far off track that they will have to announce a separation. Kate has an eating disorder, that is sadly very visible. William looks like hell. The passive-aggressive stuff each side is feeding the ravenous tabloids is equally obvious and it cannot go on. Kate should go live near her parents, get some therapy for what’s eating her alive, and having a monster like William out of her life may be the tonic she needs to be happy. Meghan’s comment about her being upset about something says it all.

  52. Lady Esther says:

    I’m leaning toward the “never divorce” scenario (I would never wish marital problems on anyone, just speaking factually). God forbid, when the inevitable happens and the Queen/Charles pass away, William isn’t strong enough to go through everything on his own, and he won’t want to train up a new recruit – or worse, have to rely on an unofficial partner like a mistress. He’ll want Kate by his side no matter how much they can’t stand each other. She has incentive to do what he wants in that regard. They’ll live separate lives like the classic aristo model, come together for photo ops, formal events and holidays and rely on their friends in the media to squash or edit any nasty stories, as we’ve seen them do all throughout their marriage.

    • Maria says:

      Too bad William and Kate wished marital problems on Harry and Meghan and did whatever they could to break them up, so I’m not sympathetic to their own marriage troubles.
      William’s reaction to Kate on the tour and other events is evidence he doesn’t want her at his side. What does she bring to the table? She’s not an asset at all. He doesn’t even want her with him on Father’s Day.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        ” He doesn’t even want her with him on Father’s Day.”
        You are quite right. I must admit that the Father’s Day “Look” was just plain weird.

        Does anyone know how old that picture of Baldy, George & Charlotte may be?

      • swirlmamad says:

        @BayTampaBay, I’m pretty sure those pics were taken ON Father’s Day, rather than being embargoed from another outing.

  53. Basi says:

    I agree with you Kaiser! When I saw this headline yesterday that was my first thought. “Kate is moving home”. Separate lives confirmed.

  54. JRenee says:

    As the Sussex stories dry up, these leaks about the Cambridges will apparently increase. All of the Queen Kate stories don’t bode well for her with all of the jealousy of popular royals. Sounds like they have been living separate lives. ..

  55. Robin says:

    I don’t get the boarding school thing. If the kids are boarding proper, it doesn’t matter where their parents are. That’s the whole reason for boarding your kids – they come back to you during holidays, sometimes travelling out from the UK. Parents don’t move to be close to boarding schools! Different story if they’re day boarders. Strange. ps this could be made clear in the article, but sometimes I don’t read the articles too closely because they are just cringe at the minute.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Agree with you. The boarding school story makes no sense to me either.

      • Robin says:

        Hi BayTampaBay. I know – once you break it down, it’s odd. I have since thought maybe it’s because she wants to get out with her kids, but in doing so she knows she’ll lose the high level security that is easier to operate at London schools. The only way to keep them near to her in her new life would be to put them in local boarding schools, where security is workable.

    • Ann says:

      I could actually see people wanting to be closer to kids who are boarding at school. That way, they have the experience of living with the other students but their parents can stop by and visit, attend games and events, etc., more frequently, if only for brief periods. It could ease the transition. It’s a compromise.

      • Robin says:

        It’s a good and interesting point. I know of one mother who did this, but she is incredibly close to her only child, to the point that I think it was the child who wanted out and went to the local boarding school on the agreement that she’d visit home at the weekends!

      • Becks1 says:

        I can kind of see this (Kate boarded for part of her time at Marlborough even though she started as a day student, so it was local), except they don’t have to choose a boarding school in Berkshire. I’m assuming there are some that are closer to Norfolk. And it’s not like they’re reluctant to use helicopters – Kate could be based in London and see her children at boarding school as frequently as she wanted. They seem to be making very deliberate choices about that place Kate in Berkshire.

    • notasugarhere says:

      There are schools where you can be either a day student or a boarder. W&K could choose a school like that, where the kids are home each night.

  56. MissySnow says:

    I don’t ever see W&K following in Charles and Diana’s footstep in getting a divorce, especially since that scandal is still way too fresh in folks mind and The Crown upcoming season will make it even more fresh. However, I do expect W&K will act like their still married in public and go their separate ways behind the scenes.

    • Maria says:

      They already act married in public and go their separate ways in private and William still can’t even appear happy in public with her with that arrangement.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Maria that’s why I think the insistence that there will never be a divorce from some is a little extreme. They already live pretty separate lives – and yet, that’s not enough. now Kate needs a house near her parents. If this was just about separate lives, buying another house is kind of extreme when they already have two.

        And we’re also back to the idea of the cost of the house. Charles/the Queen arent going to pay for a third house for the Cambridges just for funsies. They’re not going to kick someone out of a Crown estate property just bc Kate wants to be closer to Mommy. So if they do get a house there, then I would either expect them to “lose” Anmer or a separation to be announced. Charles is too cheap to just buy them a third house. And William is too cheap to use his inheritance.

      • Nic919 says:

        They also can’t sell a third house to the public in this era of Brexit. They have two homes and can live separate lives as it is. And Buckleberry manor already has space for Kate to live there there because all the security upgrades made to it and paid for by the taxpayer were because she visited so much.

        There is no need for an extra home in Buckleberry unless something more permanent is happening.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Exactly @Nic919. Notice that the DM made sure to mention the grandiose nature of the homes they already have. They also made a sly dig at James’ finances in the article about his new home. It all feels like the DM is giving soft warnings to the Cambridges and Middletons that they know about whatever is happening behind the scenes. These people can’t add yet another large home to their collection and expect that the press will remain completely silent. I think, like @Becks1 said, that Anmer is going to have to be phased out. The article is already kind of giving off that impression with talk of all the uncertainty about that home’s future.

  57. Haylie says:

    I hope they stay married for a very long, miserable time. They deserve each other.
    Their kids deserve better.

  58. PiEatingContest says:

    Could it also be that Charles is preparing to offload Sandringham once Betty dies? I don’t get the feeling he particularly cares about it and or sees it as home. Makes more financial sense to have the family clustered in London/Windsor/Gloucestershire in the future.

    • equality says:

      Offload it or just turn it purely commercial for profit? Garden and house tours or a royal museum would bring in loads in addition to the gin from Sandringham.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The gardens and House are open for for-profit tours many months of the year. IDK if he’d sell it off. There was talk of him ‘gifting’ Balmoral back to Scotland as a park, with the huge private tax writeoff that would bring. And the rights to live there rent free X weeks/months a year, as he does with Castle of Mey Trust now.

  59. The Recluse says:

    Those poor kids. They will be considered Middletons more than Windsors thanks to their micro-managing grandmother. Their best hope will be for the monarchy to end with Charles and they can just have their private, privileged lives in Granny’s shadow.

  60. Julia K says:

    Camilla is the “future queen”. I can’t be the only one reading this and thinking that Charles and Camilla are not amused at this type of claptrap. Keep on poking the bear and watch the claws come out. Kate needs to watch her back.

  61. Nyro says:

    My sister started house hunting near my parents when she and her ex-husband decided to separate. She did not want to be surrounded by only his family after things inevitably ended. So this totally makes sense.

  62. Emily says:

    Hard no over here. There’s a reason Kate waited a decade–and a reason The Firm forced her to wait a decade: These two will NEVER get divorced. They will NEVER give as much as the impression of living separate lives.

    To be clear: I’m not saying that their union is made of champagne and roses. I’m just saying that they and The Firm are 1000% committed to The Image.

    • Maria says:

      This is just my opinion but I don’t get why people keep saying they are so committed to their family image when William acted like she didn’t even exist on Father’s Day. They aren’t committed to the image, or he wouldn’t be rolling his eyes every time she talks.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      I agree with Maria; William is definitely not committed to the happy family image…not anymore. The Firm and Kate might be all aboard, but it’s clear in these past few months that William is unhappy. I’ve also seen people here and elsewhere argue that Carole would never let a divorce happen as if she has any real power or say in the matter. She really doesn’t. Any dirt she has on William can be easily shut down by the Firm, and they probably wouldn’t even have to resort to attacking the Middletons’ shady finances or Uncle Gary either.

  63. aquarius64 says:

    Looks like Kate is the one being banished to Berkshire and Charles is the one pushing this move.

  64. Sarah says:

    I think Kate wants her kids growing up with her sister and her brother’s future kids.
    I also think Kate is sick and tired of Anmer Hall and not having the people who she can vibe with (aka her sister and brother) around.

    Also, William and Kate are not getting a divorce, folks keep throwing that around like it would actually happen. I think William is trying to model himself after his grandparents marriage which is stay married for a long time and Kate ignores the affairs because William is going to keep having them, it may not be Rose but it’s going to be with someone; let’s just hope that he is more discrete.

    What I think is that Kate doesn’t want to be surrounded by it, which was the problem with Rose; if you think that you’re the head b***h in charge and folks are running around and gossiping behind your back about what your husband is doing with someone who is supposed to be your “friend” how would that make you feel?

    Also, the Queen and Phillip were notorious for not being around one another for months, that is what you’ll see with W&K.

    The excuse that they will use is that the kids should be near their grandparents and the community will stay quiet as to whether or not they see William around (which they won’t except for certain occasions when he feels like visiting his kids). Anmer is still their home so he’ll find every reason to stay there and be close to his friends and have his new girl move in or he’ll mimic his dad which is stay with the family during the week and see your mistress on the weekend because if they move there will be no reason for Kate to visit Anmer unless she needs to make an appearance.

    • Likeyoucare says:

      Kate should know. She saw what happen during philip’s funeral. The mistress was there along the queen.
      This is what she will face, when willie die, kate and his mistress will be there during his funeral and she can’t say anything about it because even the real queen excepted the situation.

    • Maria says:

      As others have said, it is doubtful Charles and William are going to accept her hiding out in Berkshire doing nothing when it’s time for her to be a full-time Princess of Wales etc.
      Nobody thought Charles and Diana would separate. Nobody thought Harry would leave. Nothing is a given.

  65. Robin says:

    If they do separate, it’s the end of the monarchy long term. Charles will carry on, of course, but then surely it’s done. Maybe this is known, and they are doing their best to accommodate everything Kate wants in order to keep her on board as much as possible. William on his own will not be enough to warrant a monarchy.

    • Maria says:

      The monarchy is hopefully on its last legs but it’s not resting on the Cambridges’ marriage. As notasugarhere wrote above, all but one of the Queen’s children are divorced, her sister was divorced, Peter and Autumn Phillips have split. They can manipulate through PR to make it whatever they want.

    • swirlmamad says:

      Maybe William is purposefully pressing forward because he doesn’t see another way out of his fate. Maybe he’s at the “it is what it is” phase of caring whether he actually becomes king or not.

      • Robin says:

        I agree. I think he’s done, despite all the raging; he’s never wanted it, anyway. And I do think the extinction of the British monarchy will start when the next but one’s are both not willing/able to play ball – one because he has been shoved out, and the other because he can’t even hold the marriage of king and queen together. William as king and Kate as separated mother of the heirs will not work as a taxpayers’ idea of monarchy. Kate’s disaster of a relationship has at least enabled her and Carole a perfect bargaining position: I sense she will get what she wants in order to keep the sham going.

      • Maria says:

        I think if he was trying to give up his role he would not be pressuring for changes in the finances and Letters Patent to make sure he can cut off Harry and Meghan when he is king and trying to flex his power over Charles in the press and through his offices.
        He doesn’t want the responsibility but make no mistake – he wants the money and power. And he wants it to be only his.
        He will dictate how he wants the papers to write about him and in his mind the taxpayers will have to deal, unless they choose to have a referendum again. I doubt the breakdown of the Cambridge marriage is enough to accomplish that since most people don’t care about their marriage anyway and the only ones that do are the stans who prop them up because they hate Harry and Meghan.
        William will destroy Kate and her mother in the press if they decide to go after him. He is the Heir and they have as many distasteful things hidden in their closets as he does.

  66. ChattyCath says:

    After the appalling Gary tour of Australia and wanting William and Kate to be the next King and Queen it’s obvious to me. Charles only tolerates the Middletons through gritted teeth. He was glad to find a wife for his horrible rage prone son which is why the marriage too place. Gary and Carole know the family can wheedle Titles out of King William but not King Charles

  67. Sammi says:

    Ok, so where is Kate living now….Amner Hall, KP or with Mummy and dad?