In retrospect, one of the funniest things about the “Meghan made Kate cry at the bridesmaids’ fitting in 2018” story was just how many f–king times people repeated it, reported on it and added new layers to the keen narrative. It was like the Duchess of Cambridge’s worry-stone and she would stroke it at least once a month for years. The first time the story appeared was November 2018, as part of the launch of the smear campaign against Meghan. There was extensive reporting around this incident – of Kate’s white tears – for the next two and a half years, including that terrible (and amazing) Tatler cover story, wherein sources close to Kate insisted that Meghan made Kate weep at the fitting because of children’s tights. Then Meghan set the record straight in the Oprah interview: actually, Kate made Meghan cry. And just like before, it’s Kate’s little worry-stone and now people argue that it was terribly rude for Meghan to *accuse* Kate of such a dreadful thing. It’s truly insane. Also insane? The idea that the “crying at a wedding fitting” story is now completely water under the bridge.
Keeping the peace. Duchess Kate and Meghan Markle have put their differences aside after months of strain, a source reveals exclusively in the new issue of Us Weekly.
“Tensions have eased between Meghan and Kate,” the insider says, referring to the difficult relationship between the pair since Meghan, 39, and her husband, Prince Harry, gave their bombshell interview to CBS earlier this year. “Kate even sent Meghan a gift for the baby. They’re in a better place and have exchanged texts since the birth of Lilibet.”
After the interview, a source told Us that the two women had not spoken in over a year, thanks in part to the growing rift between Harry and his brother, Prince William. “There is real animosity that the brothers have toward one another, and that has spilled over to Meghan and Kate’s relationship, making it very hard for them to be friends or even friendly,” the insider said in March.
Now, however, the pair have mended fences. “The bridesmaids dress incident took place so long ago and [it] feels pointless to hold onto the anger,” the first insider explains. “It’s wasted energy. They’ve called it [a] truce.”
The arrival of Harry and Meghan’s second child has also helped ease any remaining tension between the in-laws. The Sussexes welcomed their daughter, Lilibet “Lili” Diana, on June 4. They also share son Archie, 2.
“The birth of Lili has brought Kate and Meghan closer together,” the source tells Us. “They’ve bonded over both having daughters and can’t wait for all the cousins to meet.”
Kate, for her part, shares Prince George, 7, Princess Charlotte, 6, and Prince Louis, 3, with William, 39. Though the brothers reunited on Thursday, July 1, to unveil the new statue of their late mother, Princess Diana, their wives and children didn’t attend the ceremony.
Last week, Us Weekly claimed that Kate has been reaching out to Meghan a lot more since Lili’s birth, and I guess we’re supposed to believe that Kate called and sent some gifts. And now the friendliness has escalated to the point where Kate can chuckle, “Let’s put this silly bridesmaid’s dress issue behind us, it was years ago!” Yeah, no. I would bet you $100 that the Middleton PR office is still downright insisting to Camilla Tominey that Meghan did in fact make Kate cry in 2018, and Meghan is still making Kate cry! In any case, this just feels like Kate trying and failing to clout-chase. Kate knows that her reputation has taken a big hit in recent months.
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Confidences are shattered, and trust has been broken. The talk of reconciliation is nonsense and we would be fools to believe it. Fences will never be mended: William will never be gracious to Harry; Kate and Meghan will never get along. Meghan’s very existence is a threat to the monarchy. The British media, presumably at the behest of the Royal family, has destroyed Meghan’s popularity abroad: she is pathologically loathed in the UK. Any peace between Harry, Meghan and the Royal family, will be seen as a betrayal by the brainwashed public. and the British media. Weeks ago, it was said the Queen extended an invitation to Harry and Meghan for her 2022 Jubilee. 99% of the comments on that DM story read as “The Queen has lost it. Down with the Monarchy,” “This is a mistake, the Queen has failed her ppl.” Its too late for anyone to turn back now.
This could be the work of the crisis managers. Hell, if Kate were my client, this would absolutely be the first thing I would say about her. Someone seems to FINALLY have figured out that the best thing you could do for Kate’s PR is paint her as magnanimous to Meghan.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s way way too late for most people to believe that shit and I think diverging PR strategies and whatever mess is going down in house Cambridge will totally overshadow this effort. But someone, somewhere, seems to have gotten half a clue.
I think you and Kaiser have nailed it, Gruey. This is just House Middleton trying it out with the worthless rag called US Weekly. Just FFQ Kate trying a different tack now that she’s taking a few hits.
So strange, if meghan reached out to kate with gifts, for the new baby, and leaked to the media the events, we would never hear the end of her seeking attention, and not to be trusted and definitely a leader at the least.
To the kate lovers, please just tell her to do her reaching out in private, the same as you would expect of meghan. By the by you say it until to the cows come home, the Sussexes are more loved worldwide than hated.
To the new poster quoting the fail, I can only say. OH PLEASE.
“has destroyed Meghan’s popularity abroad: she is pathologically loathed in the UK.”
This might be true but where’s your proof? And please don’t use those paid bots by the UK media/KP and racist trolls as your evidence. You’re using DM comments section as evidence of the UK is rather sad. While I agree a great percentage of the UK particularly in England dislikes Meghan, polls have shown over and over again, the YOUNGER generation supports Harry and Meghan. The fact that so many Brits turned in to watch the Oprah interview suggests the opposite.
@SexyK Lets not get sychophantic. Viewership of the Oprah interview was expected by H&M supporters and detractors. It is no indicator of favorability toward M&H, only interest in a family squabble. Yes polls show YOUNGER ppl in the UK support M&H, but those same polls show ppl 40+ DESPISE Harry and Meghan and think they have damaged the Monarchy. These are facts. Btw. Im with the younger crowd.
I’m not sure why DellT is insisting on this point because literally everything Meghan touches sells well and has massive views IN THE UK. The messaging that she is loathed is as nonsensical as the insistence that she’s an overnight bully.
Who is telling you she is hated and why should we believe them when empirical evidence suggests she’s in fact the Royal Family’s biggest media drawcard. REST.
I like Meghan, but you have to agree with that assessment. Outside of Celebitchy, most American gossip sites (Dlisted, GOMI) are extremely critical of Meghan, and even more serious sites, such as Quora, consider both Meghan and Harry entitled, spoiled and out of touch. Most Americans have not followed the saga as we have, and Harry’s criticism of being cut off by his father was not easy to digest to many.
@Villern You consider Quora a SERIOUS site? All I have ever found on it are crazy conspiracists and opinions without basis in fact. It was worse than Twitter. I had to apply several times to get them to stop e-mailing me with craziness.
Also, UK aside, her “popularity abroad” is just fine. There’s a reason the Bench was a success with virtually no promotion from Meghan (just one interview on NPR.)
Meghan has A LOT more supporters than haters. That’s why The Bench hit #1 on The New York Times best sellers list with one interview for promo.
I hate to say that there is some truth to this from a European cultural value standpoint. It has nothing to do with her race but more just our social circles would not be welcoming to someone who could be seen as indiscreet. I think in social circles where discretion is valued, the Oprah interview sadly shot Meghan in the foot. Almost 3 months post-interview, I do think it was a mistake to do it and it tarnished her brand, specifically. As an armchair gossip advice giver: I do think in time she can bounce back but she needs to keep her name out of the media and stay out of England.
@NotSoSimpleTaylor As I an American, I don’t get this thing about Europeans finding Meghan indiscrete. It seems like a stereotype of Americans that doesn’t hold water. Why is she seen as such when there has been no discretion shown by the BRF for years. British Harry has been the one talking more than American Meghan and the British palace sources and friends of the BRF are blabbing anonymously everywhere from trashy tabloids to legit newspapers. But only some people have the guts to put a name to their statements. And they are Meghan and Harry. Is owning what you say really considered indiscrete? Is setting the record straight indiscrete? Accusing Meghan of indiscretion just seems like another way for bullies justify their abuse. Stay quiet or else….
@NotSoSimple re discretion—
I understand that’s your take on it. However, my take on it was that Meghan was traumatized to the point of suicidal ideation and that trauma was caused by events that were very publicly reported and completely misrepresented. In many ways, the Oprah interview was her confronting her abuser on the same forum. Meeting that abuser— the BM, on their own turf is extremely important and powerful psychologically. It sends the message to the BM that they do not have power over her, they do not get to say whatever they want, there are consequences for their atrocious behaviour, and that she has allies who are willing to stand with her.
I think it’s clear from the interview that a lot of what she said was therapeutic not just for her and Harry, but also for all the friends who love her and had to stay silent as she was smeared literally to death. It’s not a matter of indiscretion on her part. She was correcting the record. She did it once, it’s done, she hasn’t said anything more. Indiscretion would be milking it for all it’s worth. Meghan has not been the one going over the interview a thousand times. It’s the press.
Meghan was traumatized and forced to bear that trauma in silence. Not only that, others actively obscured, lied, and co-opted her narrative for their own agendas. Here is an analogous situation: a rape victim before trial. At first, she’s forced to remain silent because of societal pressure. While she’s silent, however, her rapist goes around telling everyone she’s a dirty slut who’ll perform any sexual act for free. A lot of people start to believe it, and she gets harrassed wherever she goes— they don’t believe her when she says no. She decides to tell her truth and press charges, go to trial. The attorney for the rapist asks: then why did you stay silent? Why didn’t you report it? And this rapist is very popular in their social circle— her friends ask why couldn’t she keep it to herself instead of airing her dirty laundry at trial?
But the jury finds the rapist guilty and she clears her name.
So should she have stayed silent?
@NotSoSimpleTaylor said:
“the Oprah interview shot Meghan in the foot. Almost 3 months post-interview, I do think it was a mistake to do it and it tarnished her brand, specifically. As an armchair gossip advice giver: I do think in time she can bounce back but she needs to keep her name out of the media and stay out of England.”
First of all, it was Harry and Meghan who sat down together and did the interview with Oprah. I’ll bet anything that the constant barrage of attacks by U. K. media aided and abetted by persons within the royal firm, plus the asinine, vindictive story about the removal of Meghan’s given names from their son’s birth certificate, were finally the last straw which solidified if not triggered the Sussexes decision to give the interview. They gave the interview to try and clear the air and to set at least some of the record straight!
No matter who doesn’t agree with M&H giving the interview, none of you are being attacked in this high profile way by an ancient institution, and by ‘the carnival crew’ on that bitter, Salty Isle. Is it necessary for you to be reminded of all that Meghan and Harry have endured since it was first revealed they were dating!!!! In fact both M &H have been extremely gracious and patient in the face of death threats, gaslighting, etc; and reprehensible & vile attacks against their son, even before he was born! Meghan was driven to thoughts of suicide by early 2019, while she was still carrying her first child. They have weathered a miscarriage, amidst continual unfounded, smear campaign attacks intended to drive them apart, and most of all to damage Meghan’s reputation and her strong sense of self. They nearly succeeded with the latter. But they won’t succeed in splitting this couple apart. Their bond and their love for each other is stronger than ever.
There are many ins and outs to the barrage of ongoing attacks, which are still being waged on a number of conflicting, or most likely coordinated levels. M&H are now expected ‘to soften,’ and to do the healing, and they are supposed to regret fighting back by giving the interview. Nope, they do not regret speaking out. And they will continue to draw a line in the Sand to protect their marriage, their children and their reputations, as they and their attorneys deem necessary.
You may as well give your unsolicited advice about ‘bouncing back’ to the fakakta carnival crew, and the salty courtiers and others trapped within the gilded cage, especially those who are somehow worried about the skin color of M&H’s children!
Not surprised my comment stirred things up. Please allow me to clarify.
Having done the “reverse Meghan” and spent years in America, I’ve noticed Americans are more open about certain subjects. In Western Europe, I’ve noticed we put on the mask of the happy face at all times and we will all live that lie in public. In America, you don’t have to. You are more open and there’s really nothing wrong with that but we just…don’t operate like that, nor are most Europeans evolved enough to see that their particular way of life is not the only way.
I will admit, that Meg’s interview has at times made me uncomfortable with its openness but my comments are more “I just don’t see how most of Western Europe will be comfortable with her” than any real criticism of Meghan. The interview is done now and we all have to live with it. I just hope it was worth it for Meg in the end. I don’t know if she would have been better staying quiet but I do think at this current point, the interview has been more detrimental than helpful to her brand. Not because she’s wrong but because she is taking down a thousand year old institution with a lot of powerful people behind it. Even if all of her claims are substantiated her connection to that family nullified any connection to her previous life. Whether this is a short-term hit or a long term one remains to be seen.
I think their “brand” seems to be doing ok. The Bench is on the NYT Best Sellers list for the 4th week in a row, Harry’s docu series is the most streamed Apple show on Apple TV since it has launched. And these things happened after the Oprah interview. WellChild awards moved their awards show to accommodate Harry while he was in the UK. If they were so upset with Harry for the Oprah interview, they probably wouldn’t have done that.
I’m proud of Harry and Meghan for speaking their truth. There is A LOT they didn’t say. I’m sure it’s way worse than we can imagine but it definitely made an impact.
Meghan was never going to be liked in certain groups in the Uk and Europe and I’m sure that if you asked the people who didn’t like her post Oprah interview prior to the actual interview they would not have liked her much then either. The UK tabloids are poison and attack her on a daily basis which has filtered down to people who don’t read them consistently. She didn’t actually say much while she was pregnant but the constant coverage gave the impression that she was talking. So the one time she does get to use her voice and clear up things, like Kate letting a lie about her stay in the press without correction, she really had no choice. There is so much more Meghan could have say and was restrained.
I’m Australian. I love the Queen and William and Kate. Meghan was around for five minutes. She was a whinging non-event. Forget about her.
@NSST, you might be right about the European cultural standpoint of the aristocracy/elites but I don’t think they’re H and M’s target audience and I also bet Meghan doesn’t care what those people think. It’s been clear that she wasn’t wanted by them in the first place. She didn’t go all Kate Middleton and try and force her way in (only to be rejected anyway), she left. I didn’t think there were any great dropping of bombshells on individuals in the oprah interview by Meghan. We’d heard Kate’s leaking on the cry-gate incident for over two years, all Meghan did was correct the story. They didn’t do a KP and name check everyone all over the place, they kept most of it focussed on them and the rats in the rota. Harry was the one who outed his father though ignored William.
Meghan’s global reputation is better than fine. What matters is experience, not the attempted smear job by a tiny nation that has long since faded as a world power. What people experience with Meghan is success and positivity. Royalists can hate her all they want. Her rep is good everywhere else in the world. These are the facts.
I mean it’s the BRF not the American royal family. I doubt they really care what people outside the UK + commonwealth think
The UK is the third most influential country in the world, just after the US and Germany and ahead of China and Russia. Let’s stick to the facts when defending Meghan.
@Mac Seconded. I’m sick and tired of my country being run down because of the antics of Daily Heil bots, Piss Morgan and his ilk. The UK is one of the world’s largest economies, a member of the Five Eyes, the leading centre of global Forex and top universities, the model for many nations’ education and standards. Just because we have a shitshow of a government at present doesn’t make us a pariah worthy of insults and namecalling (Dusty this, Salty that). How would US liberals like it if we were to completely condemn America and namecall because of Trump and his followers’ antics? No. Enough. This has been really bothering me for quite some time.
@Andrew’s Nemesis I think the US was name-called and ridiculed because of Trump and followers. I wish for UK people to get out from under like the US did. I think most mature people realize that media and government isn’t always representative of the country as a whole.
The UK ‘ isn’t a country
@Andrew’s Nemesis – I get that, I do, but Americans have been stereotyped and criticized for years now. Even on this site, in one breath someone will insist that we stop calling England the salty isle but then in their next comment they’ll say something derogatory about the US, even if its just repeating a stereotype. It would be nice if we ALL stopped doing that .
But at any rate I think Merricat’s point stands. Meghan and Harry are a global brand now. They’re fine if the aging hardcore royalists “pathologically loathe” them. They’re appealing to a much broader market .
@Andrew’sNemesis I also want to point out that in the original comment here, the poster is using the comments on the DM as proof that Meghan is “pathologically loathed” in the UK . So if we accept that the DM commenters (bots or otherwise) aren’t reflective of the UK, then we should stop using those comments as evidence that she IS hated.
@Andrew’s Nemesis: do you mind if I chime in as a fellow Brit?
So when people here refer to the UK as “Salty White Isle” I know they’re not referring to people like you and me. What they’re referring to is the right wing base that does have power (both in government and media) that have created and furthered the “Everyone hates Meghan” agenda. As well as the people who eat it up. And yes, there are people who eat it up unfortunately.
I can understand where you’re coming from though and understand that it’s not pleasant to be blamed for a country’s media system that you had no hand in. But I also know (well think) that people here aren’t talking to us when they use terms like that.
Exactly. She’s not losing anything by being despised by older Britons. They don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
@Mac, third? Where do you get that number from?
I’d say Japan is more influential (bigger economy) and also strong cultural influence. China definitely.
The UK still has some cultural influence in the west, but their influence has declined further with Brexit. Companies are moving to the mainland.
South Korea is rising with huge cultural influence in Asia (not just Kpop, but tv, movies, food, phones, fashion etc), and increasingly other parts of the world too.
India is rising as an influential country too.
Thank you @Merricat. The UK still hasn’t accepted their destiny yet which is why they are trying to launch global Britain even though the world is saying ‘keep it. We don’t want it’. The UK still see itself as an empire but that type of thinking will be their downfall. The world got a front row seat of the ugly side of the UK in recent years and its credibility has been falling every since. The fact the US no longer sees the UK as its most important ally is very telling. We don’t need the UK for Europe anymore. We have Germany and the EU.
Harry and Meghan’s exit and popularity in the world should be a wake-up call in the UK that they are a small island and no one will tolerate their bullying ways anymore.
@Jeremy: Don’t kid yourself. The BRF court US press quite frequently so clearly somebody there wants attention in the US and cares what they think.
I agree with Becks and Sofia. It is SO embarrassing to be an American in the first place, and under Trump it was next level mortifying.
But I know just from being on this site every day, with posters from all different countries, that smart, curious people understand that Americans aren’t a monolith. When they referred to, for example, “moronic Americans” or whatever, I knew they were talking about the people who voted for Trump and went to his rallies, etc. And Americans like me view those people as the worst of the worst; the dregs of society.
It DOES start to wear on you after a while, when you feel like you always have to defend yourself, “I’m not like that, I swear!”
But I really believe that intelligent people can see nuances and anyone who uses the commenters on the Fail as a barometer, as representative of the feelings of everyone in the UK, are…not people whose opinions we should even be concerned with in the first place, because clearly they’re not the sharpest tools in the shed.
I agree with whoever brought up the success of The Bench as a much better indicator of Meghan’s popularity worldwide.
I really do understand how it could get grating reading “dusty” and “salty” every day, but for what it’s worth (I don’t know if my opinion is worth much but here it is anyway!), we all know that Kaiser isn’t talking about you guys, or even about the majority of Brits *at all.* It never even crossed my mind that she was referring to anyone except the ignorant pr!cks who revealed themselves to be vile racists ever since Meghan came on the scene.
The royal family very much care what Americans think. That’s why their sycophants have been frustrated that the US press hasn’t run with their smear campaign as much. That’s why Edward had a CNN interview the other day- they want to boost their image in the US.
The firm loves American dollars for tourism & fundraising & they love US press attention. That’s why when it was reported when the firm was looking at options for H&M to have a role abroad- they didnt want them near the US press spotlight.
Strange considering the anti American comments towards Meghan though.
@Equality and Becks I’ve never indulged in namecalling the US, though. I’m not a hypocrite; I don’t like double standards. What others do – if they give into their hypocritical urges – is their business. For my part, I’m simply sick of seeing my country denigrated and/or seen through the prism of the Daily Heil. It doesn’t speak for all of us – in fact, it speaks for a minority, and deliberately uses fascisistic ploys to create villains and scapegoats.
@Sofia I take your point, but when such a narrative is pushed daily one is either driven into the ‘how dare they ceaselessly insult our country?’ lane or the ‘not I! Not I! I’m not like that! Here, let me prove my left wing credentials!’ Tarring the entire nation with the same brush is discriminatory, and as wounding to me as it is to the American commentators on this site to be lumped in with Trump.
Meghan’s global reputation is better than the Royal Family! She just helped raise multi-million dollars for VAX charity! The charity world will love to have her associate with them! These Karens need to make and their own business.
@andrew’s nemesis – regarding the name calling, it has always surprised me how much it happens on the Royal Family topic threads. It is a tactic Trump used to denigrate his opponents and it must have something to do with a psychological superiority. I find the name calling hard to read because I don’t know who is being referred to, so it must also signal begin part of a group. It feels tribal and divisive.
I don’t agree that Meghan is pathologically hated in Britain. I think it’s the usual bigots, monarchists & tabloid readers who have a problem with her. When Sarah vine’s divorce news came out I saw many non royal watchers pointing to her horrible takes on Meghan & same with Piers attack on Emma Raducanu.
When the usual commentators tweet negatively these days I see much more push back from non royal watchers. I think most sensible people are aware there’s a massive smear campaign against her& think some are getting weary of it. I think that’s why we will start to see more of these ‘family bonding’ stories. The rift stories are probably getting stale. The press probably also want some insider knowledge on Lili & Archie so wouldn’t be surprised if they lean on the leakers in the family to be friendly
Usual fan fiction here but think it wasn’t a good look that the early years champion hadn’t been in touch with Meghan after Lili’s birth & these takes are to address that. I can see gift & thank you note being exchanged but not much else. Even last week Middleton friend Camilla Tominey was still insisting that Kate did cry & that Meghan had slammed the door in her face when she went to apologise so that doesn’t spell out water under the bridge.
Sadly some of those DM haters on line are probably also MAGA people from the US who make it a business to comment on Meghan also.
It’s funny how Camilla wants us to believe that Kate walked over to Harry and Meghan’s cottage at KP to hand deliver flowers to Meghan. They have staff to do that. Kate has like 3 nannies, you want me to believe she walked over to deliver flowers? No matter how many ways Camilla tells this stupid story, Kate just has to cry.
Meghan has a 61% disapproval rating in the UK. The “usual bigots” are more than half the adults in the UK. Let’s not pretend racism is isolated to a small group of people.
@Mac Whose surveys are you looking at to say that and what were the survey parameters? A lot of those surveys quoted by tabloids are seriously flawed.
@DellT I think this is more divorce prep of the most cynical variety. Kate will say ‘I was under William’s control’ and ‘he made me reject Meghan’ and ‘he was the driving force in the division – I was helpless to stop it’. After the divorce she’ll try to magnanimously create a rapport with Harry (at whom she has always looked as if he’s lunch) and Meghan and claim that she’s so delighted she can have a relationship with Archie and Lili. It’s textbook Carole Bennett – if Kate can’t take the throne she can be throne-adjacent in a multitude of ways.
I think they are testing if the public would accept the return of the Sussexes. They are testing by saying that they were getting along better and they want to know if the public accepts that and would accept them back.
@DellT Destroyed her popularity abroad? Among who, MAGAs? Not sure where you get your fiction from, but both of the Sussexes are very popular. If you claim that you can tell its an orchestrated smear by the BM at the behest of the BRF what makes you think others can’t?
DellT that is a whole lot of hyperbole and concern-trolling. Although I’d love to see your sources regarding Meghan’s popularity abroad being destroyed? Because that is not my impression at all.
DellT is probably a royal reporter. I get that vibe.
I’ve noticed a pattern – they (DellT) posts one sentence immediately to be the first comment on a post, and then goes back and edits it and includes some comments that are inflammatory (like saying Meghan is “pathologically loathed” and her international reputation is destroyed) and then insists they are a Meghan supporter. But the comments do have the air of a RR or someone similar. “I love Meghan, its not my fault everyone else hates her.”
@ Ginger, I am getting that same feeling. DellT is a new commenter and her/his views are mostly stirring crap up.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they were a rota reporter or someone trying to stir shit up
There are folks signing up to stir problem on sites deemed positive to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle . Sussexes supporters on twitter are seeing the same chaos. It looks like the new PR move from the Island is to divide Meghan and Harry’s supporters. I started noticing it on this site 2 weeks ago.
@Becks — lol about the constantly editing. I do that because there’ve several times when I write something long and then my phone browser spontaneously refreshes and I’ve lost the whole thing. Now I try to write most of my comment and then go back to add more. I think it’s because I always comment from my phone that I run into this issue.
In the US media are pretty fair about Harry and Meghan, except on Fox News. I don’t think any media idolize them or excuse them but they try to take a look at things from both points of view.
@LaraW – oh I edit my posts a lot too, especially if I’m trying to make sure I word something “just” right. But if I’m adding a big paragraph or something I try to say “ETA” just so its clear bc I know it can be confusing if someone reads a comment, thinks it says one thing, and then goes back and it says something different. I also edit to fix my grammar, especially when I’m on my phone, because sometimes I’m embarrassed at some of the phrasing I use lol (like missing verbs etc.)
But this is the second or third post where I’ve read the CB post and there are only one or two comments, and one of them is DellT’s and it has one sentence. Then I write my comment and when I go back they have added whole paragraphs that really are sort of “well Harry and Meghan should know better.” comments that I’m not sure would get by CB’s moderators if they were the original comment (and it also seems a ploy to guarantee being the first comment, which is so Perez Hilton 2006 to me, LOL.) Like on this post the first sentence about confidence being broken was the only sentence at first.
So its become enough of a pattern that I’m starting to think there is a method behind it.
@Becks— that totally makes sense.
It does read like a deliberate pattern, Becks1. Meaning if we do not label that first initial sentence with ‘troll’, it ends up being difficult for Kaiser to delete it and any comments under it.
I’m going to agree somewhat with DellT. For everyday people, it’s not unexpected that they would have a negative image of Meghan. There have been thousands of negative articles about her in the tabloids and only a handful of positive ones. Because the BRF and the tabloids are so tightly connected, there’s no incentive to say anything positive. The BRF has all the time in the world to keep deflecting and they have willing outlets.
The thing is that H&M want to inhabit the charitable world and that’s different from the celebrity world – you can’t have tabloid catfights in the charitable world – donors don’t like it and charities don’t want to be trolled. The BRF is involved in thousands of charities in the UK – will any of them step up to praise Meghan? Only if she does something to specifically help them, but otherwise it’s not their business. The same in the US. Nobody’s going to wade into a spat within the royal family – it’s dangerous for some and irrelevant for others.
The Sussexes are building a charitable brand, one that’s the exact opposite of what’s going on in the tabloids. H&M are looking to the long term and Meghan’s reputation in the tabloids is a short term hit. They said their piece on Oprah, but now there’s a reason why there’s radio silence out of Montecito – “Kate made Meghan cry” is not important anymore. It’s a useless argument and it’s not on brand. “Hunger made someone cry” – that’s on brand.
I don’t live in the UK so I will take your word, however I saw Harry get a spontaneous standing ovation last year. I don’t know that happens to the rest of the rf very often.
@Lizzie – he was treated like a rock star at the VaxLive concert. I’m trying to think of any possible situation where that would happen to William. Still, it’s great press, but the story gets covered for a day and it’s over – which is totally normal for a regular news story. What’s not normal is the constant barrage of negativity from the tabloids which overshadows the good press.
You are assuming the Queen isn’t the Head of State to other 15 countries and some of those countries are the majority, Black and Brown! The idea everything starts and ends with the UK is a white supremacy idea in itself! It is not possible for the Monarchy to ignore the great of the world and ignore the racist within their country! It sad that you have to write that garbage
Meghan’s popularity abroad has not been destroyed. In fact their smear campaign has just heightened her profile and made more people like her for the dignified way she has endured their abuse.
Americans love an underdog. Outside of the MAGAs, ordinary people in the US don’t pay much attention to the BRF or the BM. And we know why the MAGAs hate her.
But their prolonged smear campaign against a fellow American has had the opposite effect on Meghan and Harry’s popularity. Say what you want about Americans but they will usually bond together against an outsider attacking one of their own and they see Meghan as one of their own.
Americans love a person who wants independence. They don’t understand this obsessive need to prop up PWT and the monarchy. They expect you to go out and row your own boat.
So Meghan’s reputation she had before their smear campaign has been even more enhanced. So no, her reputation has not been destroyed abroad.
I think you’re right about American attitudes – they love an underdog, but they have to hear about it in order to love it. It’s a dilemma – how to have positive PR without falling into the BRF tabloid smears. Maybe when they come out of parental leave they can address this.
@nina it struck me that after Oprah, every single podcast I listen to covered the interview: from gossip to foreign affairs to comedy to domestic news (ok ok a lot of crooked media pods). ALL were highly favorable to Meghan and Harry. There was Ben Rhodes (former advisor to Barack Obama) speaking about how the BRF have to wrestle with racism. And a few weeks later dunking on Baldimort for that “sexiest bald guy” story.
Anyway, among the twitterati set, Meghan and Harry are loved and defended. I firmly believe that over time, this love will grow and history will remember them as a force for good, just like Diana or other “controversial” activist types who were pilloried in their day (Jane Fonda comes to mind) but have come to be seen as just ahead of their times and are now deeply respected.
Most of the newspapers here in the US are pro Meghan.
Well she is loved by normal non brain washed brits and people around the world. It’s not Meghan reputation that we should worry about, she will be fine.she works hard and is a people person. The British media, the brf these are the ones that need to worry about their reputation, because unlike Meg, they need. Good one to stay in their palaces and from where I sit and other countries around the world especially in the commonwealth countries with predominantly black and brown people, we don’t like what we are seeing l we don’t appreciate the way white people in England continue to abuse and degrade and insult another woman of color or the way they attack her innocent children
So if the British that partook in this smear campaign against a woman of color and pregnant and newly delivered can’t get that because they are soul less Then I leave them to answer to god. And I am not attacking all British. I am speaking to the. Racist sexist bigots
I remember the time the headlines were all anti Royals after Diana passed on with many saying “show us you care ma’am.” The Queen had to leave Scotland because people could not get over the coldness she had towards her ex daughter in law. The royals have not learned a thing the way they are treating Harry and Meghan.
Step away from tumblr and the Fail. Meghan is not pathologically hated in the UK. 80 percent of the Meghan hate online is proven to track to 20 women, most of whom are in the US and are rapid Drumpf fans. They spend all day online, talking to themselves under different fonts, desperate to convince people to hate Meghan. It isn’t working.
Fonts? Sounds like those birds over at LSA. You can tell who has multiple accounts and yes, watching a true nut have a “conversation” with their multiple accounts is tragic. You can tell their personal lives are in shambles.
So, I typed a sort of long reply to DellT and received a duplicate comment notice when it wasn’t even submitted yet.? I’ll shorten it to this, Meghan is NOT patholocially loathed in the UK, she is loathed by some pathological people in the UK.
@NoSosimpleTaylor, why do you keep saying ‘her brand’? Meghan & Harry are very much a couple. If there is a ‘brand’, it’s their brand.
ETA: oops, saw my post.
Let me correct it for you:
Kensington Palace feels that ‘confidences have been shattered, and trust has been broken,’ the Daily Mail can reveal. According to palace sources, senior aides increasingly consider talks of reconciliation as “nonsense” and that “fences will never be mended.” One source stated outright that “we would be fools to believe [any offer of reconciliation].”
The animosity between the Sussexes and Cambridges runs far deeper than has been speculated. A close friend of William confided that, “William will never be gracious to Harry, and Kate and Meghan will never get along.” With tensions running high, senior aides have also agree that it is “too late” to “turn back the clock.” This bleak outlook is especially surprising given that the Queen has extended an invitation to Harry and Meghan for her Jubilee next year.
The British public, however, seem to share the same opinion. Ninety-nine percent of the British population consider Meghan Markle’s very existence as a threat to the monarchy. Indeed, supporters of Meghan Markle claim that the British media, presumably at the behest of the Royal family, have destroyed her popularity abroad. One thing is certain: Meghan Markle is pathologically loathed in the UK. Any peace between Harry, Meghan and the Royal family, will be seen as a betrayal by the public.
The British empire died long ago. It’s time for these people to get with the program. What the British royal family or the brits think no longer matters to the world. Acting human and being decent to Meghan would have been far more beneficial to them on a global stage, but no they couldn’t let go of their petty jealousy and embrace the changing world. They could not see Meghan as a human being. The woman their own brother, son, nephew, cousin fell in love with. They had to treat her less than human. The dogs and horses in the palaces were treated better than Meghan and Harry and Archie. So if people are pressed because the world got confirmation from the Oprah interview that no black lives or the lives of any non white royal means nothing to them, well that’s their problem. Fix the shit in your house and maybe the world would start seeing you as human with feelings.
After hearing Megs talk about considering ending her own life. I can never unhear how heartless and soulless the brf and their partners in disgust the British media is.
After all that, trust is flimsy, if it is there at all.
This sounds like more propaganda from someone in KP….which is supposed to somehow counterbalance all the negative stuff spewing out of there too?
I disagree that she is loathed around the world, and 99 percent in UK don’t like her. There are bots on social media that say the same thing over and over and over with new things added like “Meghan bullied Charlotte” and she “threw hot tea” at someone and so on and so forth. ANd the bots use the words “we think” and “we know” as a sort of propaganda that so “many” feel the same way. Posts are removed on the DM who disagree. The royals could have stopped it early on but chose to sit back and let it happen and I am talking about before their wedding where petitions were circulated to stop the wedding and every now and then some spread the fake story of the “extra husband” Meghan had. So awful.
@DellT – The British Media have not ruined Meghan’s reputation abroad on a global level. They might try to. But, no. She’s not pathologically loathed. She’s loathed by the pathological for being a successful POC that Prince Harry fell in love with and married. The British Media are too caught up in their gratuitous “invisible contract” with the BRF that they are kidding themselves with their own self importance. Oprah is bigger than the British Media globally. That interview changed a lot of minds in favor of the Duke & Duchess of Sussex on a global level. The BM tell on themselves every single time they refer to Oprah as a “chat or talk show host” and not as a media mogul worth $2.7 billion-really, if they are inclined to mention the price of H & M’s home & the “bombshell interview”, why not mention Oprah’s worth while at it. July 11 is when the world population statistics come out-I believe. POC represent a greater percentage of the world than non POC from previous years stats. Does the BM really believe they have that much influence world wide with POC? Over Oprah? Or, just decent human beings? The Guardian’s recent article has done some damage with the Royal Family. Meghan’s not the one being side eyed at this point. The smear campaign/false bullying allegations came from KP/William/Kate. Out of curiousity, I googled(didn’t Bing) does Kate Middleton have any African or black friends? The closest the 2 pages of results I saw were a black dress or coat. Sounds about white. You’re right though DellT, there is no attempt or reconciliation happening by Kate or William being gracious to Harry(or Meghan), because they would rather be all white with petty jealousy instead of making things right. Excellent reminder article..
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opinion/sunday/meghan-markle-prince-harry.html
I agree with Meghan is loathed in the UK. Even my anti royal UK friends hate Meghan. People my age and older do (I’m over 60). My UK friends and US royal-loving friends all hate Meghan. I suspect this is pretty much true because of the amount of mistruths. Even ones who claim to not read the tabs say that they hate her. i
Long live William an Kate. x
are you OK there Samantha? Maybe you best hot foot it back the the Daily Fail so you can all hail Will and Kate over there?
I call BS… But lemme continue minding my business.
I’m glad to see Kate is putting her time in self-isolation to good use. That reputation won’t improve itself.
No, her reputation is shot! The fact that TOB came out and publicly stated that neither he nor Keen Guevara liked Meghan from the beginning has sealed their fate.
Self reflection on Keen? I don’t think so. She has someone pushing off some more puff pieces to make people believe she and Meghan are buddies now, but it’s complete lies and nothing more than puffing her up. The last person Keen would reach out to is Meghan, who has and will always be a threat to her!
Also, what’s up with Beatrice? What bee is in her bonnet? Beatrice is holding a grudge against Meghan for having shown up at her sisters wedding, obvious pregnant and she is still mad about that? What did they expect Meghan to do, stay home? Meghan couldn’t help she was showing. Beatrice has issues people.
I am loving some of the comments in the DM today which surprises me. Beatrice shows up with Edo at tennis match and keeps holding her stomach and a lot of comments (will they be removed?) talk about how Meghan was criticized constantly for something Bea is doing now
These puff pieces don’t fool anybody. Kate and her husband have done irreparable damage not only to others but to themselves. Hating Meghan and throwing her to the wolves has not increased their standing globally. It’s made them look jealous, messy and highly dysfunctional. The timing of all this makes me feel that there is an unelated time bomb waiting to go off soon.
Wow, Kate chasing clout. Next thing you know, she’ll be saying how she can’t wait to organise playdates for their children while they were all in UK she never even looked in Meghan’s direction in the photos
I believe it though. Kate is probably trying to angle to get a photo of the baby to give to the press to get the heat off her terrible marriage.
What “heat” is on her marriage? She shows up for a soccer match and is crowned wife and mother of the year by the royal rota.
The same Kate who didn’t go over to Meghan at a very public polo event when Archie was a baby? Why do I sense that Kate is unraveling and it’s about to get ugly?
Lies!!
Exactly. This is just USWeekly writing fan fiction. They have no sources or insiders in the Sussex camp. USWeekly is making stuff up to sell magazines. The only insiders or sources that would plant a story like this are from the Middleton camp.
It’s also just really weird messaging. On the one hand, there’s the super aggressive narrative that Meghan is the one who caused Harry and William to fall out and break up the happy trio; the monarchy needs Harry; Harry will never come back if Meghan is in the picture; (implied) we want them to divorce so we can go back to the jolly olde days. On the other hand, we now have two stories, both from US Weekly, that the rift between Kate and Meghan was actually caused by Harry and William’s fights (and interestingly they don’t talk about the reason those arguments were taking place at all, ie William is a racist piece of sh-t who never liked Meghan from the start); now the two women are in communication and coming together.
Soo… what is this all about? It’s also a difficult story for the Sussexes to rebut without coming off as assholes— look! Kate is reaching out! If the Sussexes say no, she’s not, there’s another round of stories about how the Sussexes are recalcitrant and hold grudges and aren’t interested in “reconciliation” and Meghan is a petty lying b-tch for not letting bygones be bygones. In that respect, it seems almost like a trap, or a way to try and force the Sussexes hand to capitulating to this “we are all a big happy family now.” Keep silent, the narrative grows. Nip it in the bud, a negative press feeding frenzy.
Actually I kind of wondering if this has to do with the alleged 30 page takedown of KP’s bullying allegations against Meghan. Narrative: Kate and Meghan are reaching a truce! Then: Meghan released a report stating that Kate, William, and staff bullied HER, instead of the other way around. How can Kate and William trust her or make any true reconciliation when Meghan only seems interested in fanning the flames of this feud?!?
Wasn’t US the one that also talked about “softening” the Sussexes and instructing staff to reach out to them regularly? Whoever is giving stories to US Weekly is pushing this reconciliation with Meghan story hard.
Meghan will only release her report if KP tries to push this sham bullying claim. Otherwise, what’s stopping her from releasing it now? Plus, don’t forget, Kate was allegedly one of the “witnesses” who was going to give an account of Meghans “bullying”. We haven’t heard a peep about that in a long time. Hmmm….
Yep @laraw, I said this about the softening article too. This message that Kate is reaching out is meant to make Meghan look bad. Like see how everyone is trying to reconcile except Meghan. Why can’t she just let it go? It’s another story to make Meghan appear the hostile one. Despite the fact that she is always the one being targeted and has done nothing. GTFOH.
Agreed! Especially when Kate allows her Uncle Gary to constantly go in on Meghan! I’m sick of these tabloid writers!
ITA 100%. US Weekly is a garbage magazine. They make up stories all the time. You should have seen the stories they made up about Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt getting back together again after Pitt and Angelina Jolie split up. It was all nonsense, as history has proved.
I don’t know why we should take anything they publish seriously.
“The bridesmaids dress incident took place so long ago and [it] feels pointless to hold onto the anger,” the first insider explains. “It’s wasted energy. They’ve called it [a] truce.”
So then why did Kate spend 2 years doing absolutely nothing to put the fire out on the story? If she truly didn’t care, why didn’t she release a statement back in November 2018 saying “it was 6 months ago, we’ve all moved on” or something like that? Why didn’t she tell her friends/courtiers not to mention it in the Tatler cover story? Or use that to correct the record? Funny how it’s “oh who cares about it!” once Meghan revealed the truth.
That part. Once its kate who doesn’t look like sunshine and daisies all of a sudden we need to move on. Im side eyeing this story and the US weekly story HEAVY.
Can we also please note that meghan said back in march that this feud was indeed water under the bridge? What wasn’t however, is that this story was allowed to go unchecked for years
Meghan isn’t even holding on to any “anger” and never was. She was hurt and upset that a damaging lie was told about her for two and a half years with absolutely zero effort made to correct it. She clearly put the fitting incident to bed at the time but had a problem with how she was denied the right to defend herself after a false claim put her as the one making Kate cry. Funny how it was perfectly okay for the press to keep pouring gasoline on this story month after month but as soon as Meghan revealed the truth that it was actually Kate who made her cry, now it’s petty to talk about it and needs to be let go. The press surely didn’t want to let go when they were trying to convince the nation that Meghan was the aggressor. If Kate and the palace look bad because of their actions or inaction on this story they have no one to blame but themselves. They have proven that they could have shut it down if they wanted to when they had time to push back on trivial matters like Botox and hair extensions and threatening Tatler into removing whole chunks of their puff-piece-gone-wrong that they didn’t like, but leaving the whole “Meghan made Kate cry” part of the article untouched.
And that might be what meghan finds hard to let go of. That she was painted the aggressor when she wasn’t and nothing was done to correct it. And if I were meghan i wouldn’t let that fly. I would keep kate at a distance always. She’s bad news.
@Pao – Meghan has let go. She corrected the story line, said that Kate is a “good person” and “if you love me you don’t have to hate her and if you love her you don’t have to hate me.” Meghan also said “she was upset about something, but she owned it, and she apologized, and she brought me flowers and a note apologizing, and she did what I would do if I knew that I hurt someone. To just take accountability for it.”
Sounds to me like she approached the situation fairly and maturely, then put the whole issue to bed. She has no need to keep Kate at a distance, Kate is doing that quite well on her own. They have no relationship.
She also has no reason to trust Kate or her family, given they spun that lie for 2+ years. Not everything is as it seems. Just because Meghan is diplomatic does not 1) excuse Kate and her family 2) mean that Meghan has no residual hurt and anger over the situation.
And this story has morphed by bots on social media to say Meghan made Charlotte cry. And its scary that some may believe this.
We all know why she didn’t shut down the crying story and it’s because she was behind it in the first place. The more this goes on the more certain I am that she put that out there, of course encouraged by her mother, because even Lacey confirms she was “wary” of Meghan from day one. Kate is insecure and jealous and Meghan was a competitor in her mind, so she did what she could to make her look bad after the well received Oceania tour.
Kate is not a friendly woman. She’s not calling anyone but her mom and sister.
That’s very true actually. We never hear stories of any friends. Even before they married, she seemed to have more of an acquaintance circle, but almost never actual friends…
There’s a 2007 article from the Evening Standard written about the Cambridges after their breakup. It specifically mentions Kate having very few friends before meeting William.
I imagine most of her social circle are William’s friends or the spouses of said friends. Besides Sophie Carter and Emilia D’Erlanger (sp?) (those two seemed to be referred to almost exclusively as “Kate’s friends” in the media), most of her friends are mostly William’s.
Kate doesn’t have any friends of her own. All her “friends” are actually williams friends. And she doesn’t like any woman that enters her sphere. From Eugenie & Beatrice, to harry’s exes to meghan.
I’ve been wondering this for a while— is she even included among the social circle of the Artichoke Aristocrats? I’ve been under the impression for a long time that after she tried to push out Rose, they iced Kate out (permanently?) from their group.
@LaraW I’m laughing. I don’t know if you were being intentionally funny or not – but their “set” is known as the Turnip Toffs. Are Artichoke Aristocrats a thing? Because i would love it if so.
And no, I don’t think she is especially included. We see her go to church around her bday with the aforementioned Sophie and Emilia (not usually both, usually just one) and that’s about it. We rarely see her at events like horse shows or polo matches with other aristos (events where the kids are running around and playing). There have been very few stories of her being seen in a pub or restaurant with friends (the most recent I can think of from a few years ago was related to a school association meeting ,not sure if they have the PTA there but something similar.)
@Becks— lol I remember they’re the Turnip Toffs because I asked on this site once why turnips, and someone replied that it’s because it’s the crop grown in Norfolk. I was trying to think of something about radishes, but the only think I could think of was Royal Radish. 😝 I don’t remember why “Toffs” though.
I think Toffs is just an expression used to refer to aristocrats in Britain. Anyone else know?
@Becks1 – If I remember correctly, the word “toffs” is shorthand for “toffee-nosed”, meaning stuck up/snobby. I got that from watching Monty Python.
Agreed. She admitted at the event with Jill Biden that she hasn’t seen Lilli or FaceTimed with her. That made her look bad so now all of a sudden Kate is calling Meghan and sending gifts lol Come on. Kate knows a lot of people see her as a nasty mean girl. She loved that crying story and used it for over 2 years. Now that the truth has come out it’s “water under the bridge.” Kate is really pathetic.
Second story in a week…either this is Kate trying to speak both sides of her mouth, a.ka, bullshit , especially since we all know Meghan is too busy right now to issue a statement on this non issue…Or the problems with William are running deep.
Old Kate would NEVER be friendly with someone William despises.
Something bad must be going on with Wills to make Kate this desperate.
Eh, it is US Weekly – I doubt that they have any sources. This is most likely pure fiction.
I agree. And I wish US weekly would keep Meghan’s name out of their mouth. I noticed something earlier… unless I’m blind, this is the second day in a row that DM hasn’t had any new M “articles”.
@Xara: Probably because they’re all preoccupied by the Euros. This time next week they’ll be back to their daily Meghan articles.
Im side eyeing these “meghan and kate are mending their relationship” stories.
It’s got Carol(E) written all over them.
It really does but i can’t figure out what the end goal is here.
@Pao I wonder if its about just trying to repair Kate’s reputation? For many people they don’t care how Kate treated Meghan and even cheered her for cutting Meghan out at the Commonwealth Service (“its what she deserved.”) But for a lot of other people, Kate’s treatment of Meghan has been viewed as cold and unwelcoming and the CWS just cemented that.
and those “other people” are who Kate wants to win over at this point. On some level someone (CarolE, KP, I dont know who ) knows that Kate’s appeal is slipping and she’s viewed as a stepford wife at best in the eyes of many – and they need to try to repair that .And what better way than by trying to use Meghan’s popularity to their advantage?
And this also tells me that despite the popular notion that no one likes Meghan, the Cambridges are VERY aware of her popularity and want to share in that .
@Pao – Maybe this is the Midds trying to call a truce with the Sussexes on Kate’s behalf? If a separation/divorce announcement is looming, then Kate is going to need all the allies* she can get. Or maybe this is Carol(E)’s attempt of trying to quickly fix her daughter’s reputation, considering it’s took a nosedive off a cliff edge since the Oprah interview.
*that’s not to say the Sussexes will accept her olive branch. Personally, I think they deem Kate as an irrelevant vessel now. She’s nothing to them and she can sink as far as i’m concerned.
@Becks1: i do think that kate is trying to fish in the sussexes pond. Meaning that she wants part of the sussex support.
@the duchess: i don’t think they are actually asking for a truce for multiple reasons
1 everything kate does is for pr. If she genuinely wanted a “truce” she would just call meghan and it wouldn’t be splashed in a newspaper.
2 meghan said in the oprah interview that she was over this incident. So there’s no need to call a “truce” in the first place.
And personally i don’t think that there’s any real animosity from harry and meghan towards kate. If kate wants peace meghan will grant it. Because she’s simply a nice person. But i don’t think meghan and kate will ever be best friends. And if i were meghan i would keep my distance
We all shouldn’t forget Kate’s uncle: I believe he spoke on behalf of Kate and her fold when he said those nasty things about Meghan. We should be working with that outburst. For Meghan ‘s sanity,it should be ‘hi’ and ‘bye’ for Kate…
Top CEO and her Queen Consort Mother in Waiting want a piece of the US media market – not only to repair Top CEO’s image (as in peacemaking with H&M) but because Ma wants to promote her cheap party tat business. Carol(e) is eyeing business opportunities in the US.
@Pao – to me it seems that the end goal of Kate’s PR is simply to address ANY negative story that appears about her. Since there’s quite a lot to be negative about and not much evidence of anything positive, we end up with a slew of stories bouncing from pillar to post and twisting themselves into knots to justify Kate. She’s lazy and hasn’t done anything – a story all about her taking 7 years to make sure she gets things right. She gets caught out admitting she hasn’t been in contact with Meghan over Lili’s birth? This nonsense today. She’s possibly not going to be at the statue unveiling? All about how much she wants to be there and how much she has helped support William over the project. Brothers fall out and Kate is a bitch at the CW ceremony? Kate the Peacemaker is born. And so on and on and on.
FWIW I think this constant defence of Kate – whether by Carole or the Palace was one of the things Meghan found hardest to deal with – the unfairness of it. If they were both getting trashed and it was genuinely ‘never complain/never explain’ then she would have seen it as the way the RF operated. But she was getting ripped apart in the media and no-one would say ANYTHING in her defence whereas the machine sallied forth to fight Kate’s corner on everything from botox to laziness. That was the point at which Meghan said she hit her lowest – and then they wouldn’t even let her get help.
This story rings false to me because at the event with Jill Biden Kate admitted that hadn’t spoken to Meghan and I believe she still hasn’t. Plus, after the Oprah interview Kate’s camp was still insisting that Meghan made her cry. Kate might want to move on from the incident but she can’t until she understands why that lie was very harmful and even dangerous for Meghan. It’s clear that she doesn’t.
Its clear that they are trying a new angle since the “how dare meghan accuse kate of making her cry” angle didn’t work.
And again, the feud has been water under the bridge. Meghan said so herself. What isn’t water under the bridge is that this story was out and uncorrected for so long. THAT might be hard for meghan to get over. She’s kind but she isn’t stupid.
@amy been good catch. Those phone calls would have been awfully recent.
Amy, I think it’s exactly that. The tabloids were also ready to start with the “Kate peacemaker” role after Lili’s birth, but Kate ruined that when:
– she had a horrified “oh, shit” expression when being asked about Lili.
– she admitted she hadn’t seen Lili or FaceTimed with H and M.
– wished Lili (not the family, just Lili) well after rambling on.
Now they’re trying to undo the damage with these articles, but KP still hasn’t objected to Lacey’s claims that “Kate was wary from the get go when it came to Meghan” and all of the other awful stuff.
And by the way, “they now can bond over having daughters”? Two years ago, both of them had sons and I didn’t see any bonding happening. I actually saw new mom Meghan being ignored by Kate.
Yeah, what I was thinking. You can’t bond over sons?
That part. And every time those images show up MY GOD… Meghan just standing there all by her lonesome with her child. I’ve spoken to so many women of colour who reference that picture and the loneliness and lack of sisterhood she must’ve felt after leaving her country and what seemed to be a close-knit group of colleagues and friends.
Homegirl is stronger than me. There’s no amount of PR that will undo those polo images. Sorry!
@Sun Rae – exactly! It’s even worse now that we know more of what she was going through.
Oh so now its just a silly story and its water under the bridge etc.
yeah, no. The issue for Meghan, as far as I’m interpreting the interview etc, isn’t that Kate made her cry. Meghan herself said she forgave her. It was that the lie was put out there that it was Kate who cried, and that lie was allowed to remain out there in the public for years without being questioned. Even after the interview, we were still hearing “oh no no no, Kate definitely cried!!!!”
I think Meghan is well over the actual incident. But as long as the story keeps circulating that it was Kate who cried and not Meghan, I don’t think Meghan is going to be completely over THAT. I think that story sort of epitomizes for Meghan what she went through as a part of the Firm.
I also wish one of these publications would call out the fact that the Firm has a bigger issue with H&M sharing the “secrets” in the interview than it does with what actually happened. The biggest sin isn’t the racism or sexism or xenophobia in the eyes of the Firm. The biggest sin is that H&M talked about it.
Anyway so I’m sure if Kate did call or send a gift for Lili, Meghan would write a lovely thank you note and isn’t going to slice the gift into a thousand pieces and send that back to London. But that doesnt mean that Meghan wants to be friends with Kate at this point. Meghan just wants to move on.
“ Anyway so I’m sure if Kate did call or send a gift for Lili, Meghan would write a lovely thank you note and isn’t going to slice the gift into a thousand pieces and send that back to London.”
This. I can believe Kate sent a perfunctory gift and Meghan sent a perfunctory thank you note out of politeness and that was the extent of it.
She will donate it to a charity.
I hope that thank you note was terse as hell. Literally, “Thank you for the gift. Meghan”
“ The biggest sin isn’t the racism or sexism or xenophobia in the eyes of the Firm. The biggest sin is that H&M talked about it.”
Bingo Becks1. The point of all these shallow stories is to avoid the really serious matters discussed during the interview.
All this
Well said, Becks
I think this is the situation. Meghan sent a thank you note for the baby gift and Kate is pretending that means Meghan is fine with all the lies.
Agree nic919, I see this too. Kate sends a gift and Meghan sends a thank u note. Can kind of see Kate continuing to send gifts and flowers so she can legitimately say they are in contact. If so, it makes me uncomfortable bc it’s like your bully/stalker continuing to traumatize you from afar. Like Meghan knows these are arsenic-laced flowers(symbolically)but she gotta send a thank u note or she’s considered rude. It turns my stomach.
It is very difficult keeping all these stories straight. One week it’s red, the next week it’s blue. One week it’s cold, the next it’s hot. The PR team is like a bunch of teenagers gossiping – while drunk.
I mean, Meghan said that Kate is “a good person” and that they were cool back in the spring, so it’s a bit of an eyebrow raiser to have Kate trying to take credit for negotiating a truce now. Also, she’s never admitted that Meghan’s version of events is correct, just that she was “humiliated” by the (truthful) Oprah interview.
I suspect Kate and co wants to put out this narrative not only to bolster our keenest lynchpin, but also in an attempt to skip to the end of the movie where everybody’s fine without doing the work. Then she can act righteously put out if anybody continues to ask questions – we’ve MOVED ON from that, how dare you bring up those hurtful accusations?
It’s a classic white person defense – all that bad stuff is in the past, we’ve accepted it, why do you keep bringing it up, why are you so angry, can’t you move on etc etc.
And in the next breath said, all is not as it appears. Her saying she is a good person could be like someone from the South saying ‘bless You.’
This, Jan. Meghan being the bigger person here doesn’t excuse Kate and her trash family, nor does it mean Meghan is over all of this.
A visual I had in my mind since this story dropped: Kate, freshly divorced from William, 3 kids in tow getting papped outside of LAX to finally visit with their Sussex relatives.. if things are shaky in Cambridgeland, is in Kate’s best interest to mend fences with the Sussexes. Alas I think this story is not true. Sending a gift for your baby niece is not the same as getting closer to her mom.
Nope. Being friendly with the Sussexes after the divorce would put her further outside of the family and aristocratic circles. She wouldn’t want that. She’s never leaving William anyway. A divorce would stir up the past and threaten the monarchy so they’re never going to break up.
A divorce will kick her out of those circles anyway since being married to William is the only way she got in. She’s barely tolerated as it is. If she were smart, and H and M allow it, that’s EXACTLY what she should do. Work on her post-royal PR and try to get international goodwill so she can land a suitably wealthy second husband.
I agree with @Bendy Windy. She’s barely tolerated in those circles in the first place. Some are probably eager to kick her out anyways. She’ll be shunned no matter what.
Even the aristos themselves aren’t immune from being shunned when a divorce happens. Melissa Percy has admitted she lost a lot of her friends (mostly who are aristos) when she divorced her husband and she’s the daughter of a Duke and comes from a family that can literally be traced back to William the Conqueror.
And didn’t Melissa Percy outrank her husband? I’m “binging” him now – he’s landed gentry and obviously well connected, but Melissa Percy is the only daughter of the Duke of Northumberland. So if SHE was cut by divorce – can only imagine how it would be for Kate.
@Becks1 Her husband was a Van Straubenzee (sp?). Friend of William’s (his younger brother is closer to Harry and it was his wedding where Meghan was wearing that navy dress in June 2018). She admits that she met her friends through her ex (Kate met a lot of her friends through William) and that they also took sides. An interviewer asked if she was still in touch with the royals and she darted the question and talked about how Chelsy was coming to see her (she lives in the US mostly).
But yeah, the daughter of a Duke (not only, she has a younger sister) but as iced out. It’s not going to be good for Kate, who as we’ve seen publicly isn’t well liked in the first place.
I agree that it would be smart to have her own allies if she and William are in trouble. Being friendly with H&M would be beneficial as they are the ones with the huge media contracts and have a global reach. But I can’t help but think how fucking stupid Kate is because this is what she should have done in the first place. She and Meg could have been quite the duo together had Kate not been so jealous and insecure. Riding Meghan’s coattails would have only made her more indispensable because it is the Sussexes who everyone is watching. She would’ve had the inside scoop and she could have actually been the peacemaker if she had good relationships with them instead of just pretending. But she is a hateful woman so now she has to do clean up for PR sakes because this new narrative is hogwash.
She’s not really “in” those circles though, is she? She doesn’t have any friends who publicly claim her or that she is willing to publicly go out with. She only has her family who will also be on the outs.
If she tries to build even half a relationship with Meghan and Harry, she might just remain relevant enough to continue her grift.
W&K took Van S on holiday with them to France while the ink was drying on the paperwork. Set him up with someone they brought along as his ‘date’ for the holiday. He ended up married to one of George’s teachers.
Harry is not going to forgive the woman who used the lie about Meghan for 2+ years, to the point of Meghan being suicidal about it.
Agree with all of the above, and let’s not forget that Kate’s sister Pippa was put out by a lot of those same folks when she and George Percy — Melissa’s brother, so in addition to their sister is definitely not an only child — broke up (or ended whatever close relationship they had). “Friends” of hers even missed her wedding to go to Melissa’s birthday party, IIRC. And given the fact that that set liked (or tolerated, given the fact that the “Wisteria Sisters” nickname allegedly came from them) Pippa more than Kate, they would be glad to be rid of Kate once and for all.
Plus, everyone knows Kate would never divorce William. But if he wants a divorce, he’ll get one.
Wasn’t it the Percy mother who made it clear Pippa was not welcome around her and her son?
Kate is the type of person who has no identity outside of who she is married to. William could have an official mistress installed like Louis XIV and she still would put on her sashes and tiaras and smile. Unless William calls it quits ( and he will look like an unhinged loser if he does), those two are gonna keep on keeping on in their lazy mediocrity, waiting to get that crown.
Nah. If there really has been a truce or a thaw or whatever, it’s probably just because Kate is so lazy that even holding a grudge requires too much effort for her. Or maybe pretending to cozy up to “that bloody woman” is her way of getting back at William for sending someone to give her COVID?
The Cambridge’s are known to send each other messages via their PR. If the separation rumours are true and they are no longer on speaking grounds, then your theory could be absolutely right.
Kate pretending to conspire with ‘the enemy camp’ as revenge for being forced into isolation on William’s demand? I would believe that in a heartbeat.
It just cracks me up that, on multiple occasions now, I’ve jokingly suggested that William and Kate are conspiring against each other in some way, and people have replied to say, “well actually, yeah, that sounds about right”. How dysfunctional are these two?!
My thought is that she’s doing this to undermine William and make him look bad. This is her payback for being sidelined. I think William looked like a jerk at the unveiling while Harry looked happy and sunny. William knows he’s looking bad in this, that’s why he pressured ITV to remove those Omid comments. This is Kate’s dig at him to make it look like he’s the problem. It could also be the Middletons trying to show that William needs her to help his image because she’s the “reasonable” one. They both are despicable users.
The state of the Cambridge marriage must truly be in shambles for the Midds to attempt this ‘allying’ with Meghan.
This signifies that in the US whether it is US weekly protecting the profitability of their own royal coverage or PR for the Middletons that framing Kate as anti-Meghan may work in England, but it doesn’t play in the US.
Kate has never been interested in making friends with anyone, much less her ‘competition’ so this is total BS. I’ve never believed any story about Kate reaching out to the DoS. Meg has way too much going on to keep some tenuous relationship with a sister-in-law that did nothing to support or defend her and contributed to her distress. Kate’s PR has taken such a wacky turn I’m starting to believe the divorce/separation theories.
Gutless Kate. She’s a perfect partner for Cowardly Prince Willy. If either were smart they’d be keeping their mouths shut or start speaking the truth. If they think they’re miserable now wait til karma comes knocking.
I call BS.
This story only benefits Kate, and they’re being kinda smart ‘cause if Meghan were to go on record saying it isn’t true then it is she who would look bad.
Keen Waity had the chance to set the record straight when she and her lawyers threatened to sue over details on that Tatler story that “weren’t true.” Her team singled out some details that made her look lazy, but they never addressed the crying story and that would have been the perfect moment to do something about it. So that tells me everything I need to know about Kate and her agenda.
How would Meghan telling the truth about Kate make Meghan look bad? She told the truth during the Oprah interview and it made Kate’s head spin. I believe Kate did send a note and a gift but to act like they are all pals now? No way!
I don’t know if you look at coverage/comments of Meghan elsewhere, but in some circles, Meghan cannot do anything right. I imagine they would say that Meghan is trying to carry on the grudge, that she is power-hungry and jealous of Kate, that Harry wants everyone to make nice, but obviously Meghan is the problem, etc, etc. It’s gross.
Exactly what @Lemons said.
Any response from Meghan would get twisted and they’d make a big deal out of it.
Those “circles” are deranged. If Meghan found the cure for cancer they would still find a reason to complain. So nothing she does will change that so she is not playing to that audience. Meghan is not going to sit in silence any more and let others run over her and neither is Harry.
The more the Sussexes are out in the world, demonstrating who they really are, the more people realize they were smeared by the Cambridges. Before the Sussexes left the rf, the Cambridges felt safe in their abuse of Harry and Meghan, but now the world can see what happened. It’s not flattering, and Kate is beginning to comprehend that, maybe.
ITA. The pandemic has held that revealing back but as we come out of it the Sussexes are going to leave the Cambridges trailing in their dust.
Kate and Meghan both have sons but Kate couldn’t be bothered to bond with Meghan over the birth of Archie. But now Lili is the magic peacemaker baby?
Was both of them having sons not enough to bond over? Why wait for daughters? Also is Kate no longer wairy of Megs? Has she called off her mom and uncle and all the British media from attacking Meghan? No you say. Well call me when that happens and I will believe these two are now pals. Kate and will can’t say sorry and admit wrong so when that happens then Megs and Harry will consider bridge building
“Kate knows that her reputation has taken a big hit in recent months”. Yep. This is what I think is going on. I don’t know, even doubt, that there has been any thawing, but I think it’s Kate’s people who want the public to think that they’re getting along better and specifically that the crying story is “over”. And the only reason why I can think that Kate would think that is a helpful narrative for her is because she (or her advisors) must have concluded that the crying story is a negative for Kate. Which is interesting, actually. Because if they thought they could get any more mileage out of it, they’d certainly still be using it to bash Meghan in any press story.
It’s also interesting that there’s no mention of William also letting it go, given that there was that whole narrative of him taking umbrage on Kate’s behalf specifically about Meghan’s comments to Oprah about what actually happened. So, Kate’s moved on, but William is still enraged about Meghan “attacking” Kate? Hmm, they need to get their PR better coordinated or is this Kate making a move to leave William out to dry while she makes nice with Meghan?
The first incident itself is probably water under the bridge. But Hatey McButtons needs to issue a public and worldwide apology for sitting back and benefiting from the false narrative that was used to club Meghan with for years. That’s not going to happen.
Justice for me is for the Non-UK parts of the world to have a lower opinion of Britain’s top mean girl. Let her cry into her pillow every night at Meghan having “taken” Harry away from her, and at her ever-angry husband blaming her for the Sussex exit. And I hope she never finds a sidepiece of her own. She doesn’t deserve the sex.
Exactly. When Kate corrects the story and admits to being the one who had to apologize and apologizes for not correcting before then it will be a story.
I agree with everyone who’s calling BS on this.
Meghan has survived Toxic Tom and Slimy Sam-she’ll keep Keen at a surface-friendly distance. She’ll be cordial, but reveal nothing. Meghan knows how not to engage with toxic people.
I call BS on this, but also it’s a pretty transparent attempt to make Keen Katie look warmer and friendlier. If her camp is working this hard on her image, things must be pretty bad in the Cambridge marriage. And we saw recently that Willieleaks isn’t going to let her use his feud with Harry and his future kingship to build her reputation back. So this is the new tactic, I guess: “Kate is SO NICE to the biracial woman, everyone!”
We see you.
This. William shut down her “peacemaker” games so now she’s transferring it on to Meghan.
So this is the Middleton’s hand? They’re going to have Kate be the one to make nice with the Sussexes and have William on the outside looking like the racist, rage monster. This story isn’t about Kate and Meghan. It’s about Kate and William. Notice how Kate is suddenly being so nice to Meghan around the same time that William is still angry at Harry and William isn’t allowing Kate to attend things with him? This family, man. Ma Carole’s PR game is good. Could be better. But it’s good.
100%. This is exactly what I think is going on and it’s fascinating that they’re leaving William as the odd angry man out in this narrative. KP tried the whole “William is angry on KATE’S behalf” to paint him as the good hubby defending his wife’s honor, but now Kate seems to be cutting off that narrative. I guess he’ll stick to the ‘on behalf of his poor staff’ bs, really unfortunate the investigation has been delayed. Once that whole thing is shown to be totally unjustified, how will William explain his hatred of Meghan? What’s left?? Ooooh….could it be that she’s a Black woman??
rawiya, but is it good? This will fall apart, because it’s not true. When that happens, how will that make Keen Kant look?
These people need to leave Meghan alone and mind their business. Why are they imposing their narrative on Meghan? It’s really inappropriate and totally self serving because of how they’ve treated Meghan.
Can’t call a truce on an one-sided war. All Meghan has done is speak the truth and set the record straight. She wasn’t the one publicly shunning Kate. That was Kate. Meghan didn’t set the press on a pregnant Kate or malign her with catty stories in the press or work with her husband to destroy her sister in law because of jealousy, envy and racism. That was Kate. GTFOH with these reconciliation stories! Meghan has nothing to apologize for and I seriously doubt Kate would lower herself to seek allyship from the Black American duchess who took Harry away.
Great story! but its the other part of the floating story, the problem for me is that its quiet, floating under the radar. it need to be bigger and with a huge apology attached to it. with the rabid rotas talking about it. that will be a step in the right direction. as it stands now it does nothing to repair Meghan’s reputation in the british public eyes. The media needs to change direction and start supporting the couple, not because they want them back and i wouldnt advise them to come back.
William need to grow up and wish his brother all the best and stop the harrasment in the press,
Until there is “fresh meat” to throw under the bus (Pedo), William will never NOT throw his brother and sister in law under said bus. TRF NEEDS to have a distraction (Pedo) that is palatable to the masses (Black Duchess) in order to function.
How can tensions ease when William and Kate are racist and Kate STILL hasn’t corrected the ‘Meghan made Kate cry story?
I looked your user name up and found some truly beautiful pictures of bonsai’s sculpted into mountain style scenery. Some were mind blowing gorgeous.
Khate has been benched and the crisis managers are desperate to drop the investigation into bullying. First it’s let’s just put this crying issue in the past and next it will be let’s privately address any bullying allegations. They want a face saving way of dropping the investigation so they don’t have to say there are no credible allegations, but they need Meghan to go along with keeping results private.
I really hope I’m wrong but your comment made me wonder if the next tack is that Kate has persuaded KP to “drop the bullying investigation” in the name of magnanimity and water under the bridge…..they must be desperate to kick the investigation into the long grass now Schillings are breathing down their necks so I can see this as an approach.
After all those headlines blaring that Meghan is a bully, the damage is done. I’m in the camp that Schillings must release their findings and Meghan’s rebuttal must be given the same amount of column inches that their bullying claims were. Defamation does not have to be decided by a judge, and what Will & Knauf did to Meghan meets the definition. The defamatory shenanigans coming out of the KP office are going to come to light. It is justice for Meghan, not revenge.
Harper, ITA.
ITA, too, Harper. This nonsense story doesn’t have anything to do with a truce. Just an appearance. It is all related to the made up bullying claims. I really hope H & M don’t back off and push for a retraction of everything or receipts will drop.
It would be good if instead of saying ‘water under the bridge’ to someone’s tarnished reputation and bullying, she just apologized and stopped the media circus against Meghan. Then I would be really glad to read they ‘set aside their differences’ whatever that means to them *rolls eyes.
First sorry for the caps.
EVEN IF THIS WAS TRUE. MEGHAN BETTER ACCEPT ALL THE GIFTS AND BE GRATEFUL OR SHE WILL THEN BE LOOKED AT AS BEING UNCOOPERATIVE AND THE ANGRY SPITEFUL BLACK DUCHESS.
Excuse my rant. I cannot.
So because Kate (or Carol) is ready to move on, it’s done? Lol okay. Something is definitely going down House Cambridge.
Exactly. This is another example of the diverging PR between those two. Willileaks is out here using people like Lacey to keep trying to push the bullying nonsense, while House Middleton is trying to play like Kate is all of sudden ready to be besties with Meghan. It makes no sense.
I doubt this is true but this is a smart PR move for embiggening the future future queen consort as opposed to his royally incandescent highness. The message for the the PR is Kate is much better at soft diplomacy and can be counted on from now on to be a gracious king making power behind the throne. While Will is a grudge holding rage monster, look how good Kate is, she is needed to soothe him and smooth over the rough edges more than ever.
US Weekly has turned into a full on propaganda machine. They’ve taken the she sent a gift story from last week and added another layer to it. Using it to try to bury the lie the Meghan made Kate cry. They clearly want to try to spread a all has been forgiven narrative. Also, called a truce implies fault on both sides when Meghan was the one targeted and victimized. That’s what all these reconciliation/truce stories are about. An attempt to sweep under the rug the coordinated campaign against the Sussexes. Look at how the story is framed. It asserts that tensions were because of the interview which puts blame on the Sussexes. It talks about what Kate has done which props her up. And the fact that they give Kate her title but not Meghan. US weekly approach is different from then tabloids. They are not so obviously toxic. But you can see the bias in their coverage. The British media tried this same narrative after Archie was born. Suddenly all these stories about Meghan and Kate bonding over being mother’s. Now it they’re bonding over having daughters. They need to just stop it. Stop the BS. Its disgustingly how they use Meghan for their own purposes. Demonize her to make themselves look good; then claim to embrace her when they need to clout chase. She not a human being to them. Also, it’s not good PR because most people see through it. And every time they have tried to pull the “things are better narrative” they have been exposed. So people are more aware that this stuff is coming from one side and question it.
Oh, she sent a gift to baby Lili? Lovely!
But are we sure it wasn’t honey from her very own beehives?
https://www.livestrong.com/article/463189-why-shouldnt-i-feed-honey-to-a-child-under-six/
I really doubt it. If Kate was a a terrible to Megan as the claims say then for her own mental health I hope she stays far away from Kate. If it wasn’t true I am sure Kate would ice her out forever for lying on a global stage. Either way these women will never be close (which tbh is normal for two SIL’s)
Oh the lies. Meghan never said that kate was terrible. On the contrary in the oprah interview meghan said that kate was a good person and that she already apologized for the whole bridesmaid feud. What meghan was upset about is that this story was reported painting meghan as the agressor when she never did such a thing. And nothing was then done to correct it. People that already didn’t like meghan or had their reservations about now had a full on reason to openly hate her. Its the story that set of a smear campaign so vicious and THAT was bad for her mental health.
Exactly Pao. In the Oprah interview with H & M, Meghan did say Kate apologized and brought her flowers and/with a note. The note is the receipt of who really did what. The Firm knows Meghan’s version is the truth. The complaints from KP/sources after the interview were about Meghan making Kate look bad without explanation how. Though correcting the story and mentioning you have proof didn’t sit well. I don’t recall ever reading KP denying Kate apologized and bringing flowers and a note to Meghan.?
Kate is a Karen who had no problems letting this lie sit for years. She only now wants to save face because the world saw that interview and now she is playing peacemaker hoping to get the world to see her as a good girl. Well we saw the commonwealth service and Kate is exactly that B we saw come into the church and flat out refused to say hello to Meghan and Harry. So Kate can take her Karen tears and sit the f down in a corner. And no Meghan didn’t lie on a global stage, she set the record straight. So you can go sit down with Kate too
Kate is beyond a Karen. She’s an Amy Cooper.
Letting the story about Meghan made her cry hang out there for over two years without correcting it is pretty bad don’t you think?
Having your uncle go out there and trash your pregnant sister in law’s reputation not once but numerous times without reigning him in is pretty bad don’t you think?
And that is just two of the things that Kate allowed, just of the top of my head.
@Nina, those coincidental repetitive clothes she wore when Meghan was being heavily criticised for hers with every price tag written down for all to see. That Flybe stunt with His Incandescent with rage Royal Highness. Those out bursts of her beloved Uncle Gary. That never put a foot wrong narrative and of course the Duchess of Sussex was always breaking protocol. Even with Nail polish. She was set up. Remember that she didn’t wear a hat when meeting the Queen? Who does that? Then we found out that all the rest actually do so. They made Meghan feel like a pariah.
Kate had no problem promoting her fragile white tears two years after the event. Now people know the truth it’s “pointless to hang on to it”. Yeah funny when it’s kate in the wrong we should just forget it and move on. Meanwhile they are still going on about a 5 am email Meghan sent 3 years ago.
Anyway kate probably did cry at the fitting too when Meghan showed her her wedding dress. Kate was planning on wearing the same thing to harrys wedding. 😂
One thing a lot of people forgot, was what Meghan said after refuting the crying lie. She said in the interview she couldn’t understand, while others were being supportive with the stress of what she was going through with her father, Kate wasn’t . So this wasn’t just about bridesmaids dresses.
I think kate seems to be lacking the empathy gene where she cares very little about others and only herself. Meghan was going through a hell of a lot of stress with her dad and Kate didn’t give af, that says everything about her.
The evil jealous Queen when faced with a better, prettier rival always tries to kill her off. This is Snow White all over again. Was that based on truth? Well we know the ending. Evil never Triumphs.
the gift was probably a poison apple
Whatever it was, if it was really sent, I hope the security company takes it apart to look for microphones or other surprises.
Is she going to get her mother and uncle Gary to stop attacking Meghan in interviews? Her graciousness in saying it’s water over the bridge is pretty useless if her own family is still going after Meghan.
Meghan has shown willingness to mend fences with the horrible Markels, so I can see her being open to mending fences with Kate. This, however, would require Kate to mature into an adult that doesn’t need to put others down as a way to cope with her many insecurities. That’s highly improbable.
She has? I did not know that she was willing to let the Markles back in. If that was true, Papa Markle would have inked a deal already with the tabloids for new info on the babies and H&M.
@nina I don’t think at this point she has, but even in the letter that the MoS printed Meghan said that she loved him (I think?) and that he just needed to stop running to the media and they could move on and he could be a part of their lives – something along those lines . She gave her father a very big window of time for him to change his behavior and he has not.
This sounds like a setup for another Meghan smear story, about how Kate is trying really hard to mend fences and Meghan is just being a b-tch. The gift part is reasonable and I can see her sending something to them, but I imagine if they did chat it was forced politeness and nothing more.
Everything about kate is to serve kate only. Meghan is once again being used as a prop to make keen look good.
How do you call a truce when you not fighting with someone, not interacting with that person or even minimally socializing or are not in that person’s circle or that person is not in your social circle?
It is clear that Meghan has never had a friendship with Kate, they don’t interact with each other not even as family. These people are insane.
Willie and kate are the good cop/bad cop, routine being played out. There is no need for kate to cozy up to meghan, except to stay close and informed on harry. Kate will never like meghan, and you can take that to the bank. The only tme she plays peace maker is when harry is by himself. When meghan is around, she is her mean, and her nasty self. I just don’t buy this story as sincere.
Here’s the reality of Meghan’s situation. She unfortunately married into a dysfunctional family. Where her husband place in the archaic royals hierarchy is that of a spare. And because of her mixed race background and being American, she has been treated far worse than other married ins.
The only smart thing the Sussexes did was relocate to the USA. Sure, they’re not universally loved, or liked but that’s not a problem because the couple will never be politician’s nor depend fully on the public to support their lifestyles.
Basically, the Sussexes are in the unique position where they can say and do as they please. Without worry or concerns over losing popularity in the UK or wherever. However, Kate Middleton has to appear as perfect to mass of British taxpayers, that support the monarchy.
This the reason her team goes above and beyond positioning her as “peacemaker” etc..
“Sure, they’re not universally loved, or liked …”
No one is universally loved or liked, but the Sussexes seem to be doing OK and have been well received with the projects they’ve been working on, and during appearances.
I’m reminded of that old Billie Holiday song ‘God Bless the Child’:
“Mama may have and Papa may have, but God bless the child that’s got his own”
Harry and Meghan have got their own now. They don’t need to ask permission of anyone to just live their lives and speak their minds and work on projects that interest them.
Wild theory: Will realized he needed Harry at the statue unveiling because the rage PR wasn’t working and Harry’s take on his mum (not calling her paranoid) was more acceptable to Diana fans. Will gave in to Harry’s conditions on the unveiling with no RR. Kate was excluded and that gave the look that Kate wasn’t needed for the brothers to reconcile so she decided to refocus her efforts to Meghan.
Laughing at all these salty people using Daily Mail and American tabloids to gauge how people judge Meghan when she is signing major deals with major corporations.
Meghan’s exit, Boris Johnson, Brexit, and treatment of the EU has done significant damage to the UK reputation. The US is not eager to sign a trade deal with the UK and is working with other European nations to handle international crisis. You have Commonwealth nations ready to break away from the UK. The UK exit from the EU is a golden opportunity for other European nations to step up to impact the world and they are as they have started the process of REDUCING British films/influences into their nations. I hope this trend continues.
So true. Stay Salty, oh salty ones.
We love to see it.
I have no doubt Meghan will accept any gifts Kate gives her with a polite thank you because she is classy and this is her sister in law. However, I don’t think Meghan will or should ever willingly engage with anyone from that family again.
How tacky. How do you send a gift and then announce to all and sundry that you have sent a gift.
This sounds like spin. Kate can no longer get traction out of the crying story and, thanks to her husband and his nonstop griping and smears, and her desperate display around the statue, she does not look good or so innocent in this. Having her scuzzy uncle brief against Meghan doesn’t help either. It really is her clout chasing and trying g ro oncevagain use Meghan to build herself up.
Why should meghan care what the UK thinks of her? Or let me rephrase what the boomer generation thinks of her. That country did nothing for her, but they sure did take in the benefits from having a woman with color around.
Oh well, her global reputation is fine. Kate can stay in her lane and enjoy the bed she chose to lay in.
Okay, weird thought here, but what if Kate is trying to egg William on to reconcile with Harry? Now I don’t for one second believe Katie Keen cares about Meg, or that she’s actively trying to connect with the Sussexes in a serious manner (that would upset TOB). But what if she’s subtly trying to use these stories to force Wills to let her make them happen?
Could that be the issue killing their marriage? It would fit a lot things.
Someone on Twitter posted this old gem from pre-Meghan times about how unhealthily obsessed Kate was with every aspect of Harry’s life:
https://royalgossippsychotic.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/courtiers-and-royal-family-think-duchess-of-cambridge-is-increasingly-over-involved-in-prince-harrys-life/
Apparently both Harry AND William (and everyone around them) were exasperated with her behavior.
Wow. Interesting article. It seems Royal mannequin has personality. Jealous, controlling, egocentric. Ugly one but still. Now I understand her reaction to that Tatler article much better.
Thanks for the link!
What struck me is how as early as 2013, Keen’s inappropriate behavior is cited as causing a rift between Harry and The Other Brother.
Hmmmm….
OMG. good lord, she was stalking Harry from 2013? goodness so many details on that site, and i thought she was crazy for Harry in the yr 2021 ,didn’t know people was saying what i am thinking today in 2013.. but Catherine was doing this so openly ,she must have been insane ,even the royal family noticed.
Yikes! Practically every other sentence is about how Kate is a commoner, aristocrats don’t like her and she doesn’t know her place. And the tone is similar to what Meghan has had to endure – like the tabloids took this story, cut and pasted it, changed some details and replaced Kate’s name with Meghan’s.
Wow. Just makes me believe more than ever that the war against Meghan started with Kate and her mother. All if this mess goes back to her and it was she decided that Meghan had to be abused and then removed from the family, and she then proceeded to recruit William and the British media as part of the campaign. It’s no coincidence that she’s the first one jumping ship and trying to clean up her image now.
kHate has no influence on anything willieleaks does.
Carmen-Jamrock- of course Kate has no influence. I’m thinking Wills is irritated by the pestering for a truce- by Kate and maybe even Carole.
Reads like US weekly just made up a story. I don’t believe it. Kate and her family have proven they don’t give two hoots about Meghan.
The Royal Family is desperate (to the point of being gross) for US attention. DESPERATE. They fully blew it by their unhinged attack on Meghan. Now we see them for exactly what they are – a bunch of inbred racists with bald spots. That is not chic or glamorous or aspirational in 2021. The more aggressive their PR gets, the more we see through it. They’re in a downward spiral, they know it and they’re FREAKING OUT.
I never knew the UK was such a dump until I started following this story. So embarrassing.
For folks going back & forth on Meghan’s popularity…stop it…Numbers & Money don’t lie…and EVERYTHING Meghan touches…turns to GOLD!😍
Yea except the Disney documentary lol
LOL nice try. The Disney documentary did very well despite trolls like you trying to bombard it with negative reviews.
That documentary led to a huge increase in Disney+ subscription numbers, so yeah, Meghan’s documentary benefitted Disney.
Remember, when an obvious troll tries something? Simply respond ‘troll’ and move on. That way Kaiser can delete them.
Something weird going on with the Middletons and their desperate attachment to the Royal Family. An audit of their cheap “means” would blow those chancers out of the water
“Uncle Gary” and the Middletons have got huge dirt on William. All part of their desperation to attach themselves to money and “Royal” coat tails
Momager Middleton is panicking. Expect more fluff pieces about James and Pippa as she sees her dreams fade away like that scene in Oliver Twist when Fagin’s jewels disappear into the mud of the River Thames
If Kate and Meghan mending fences can inspire the brothers to work their sh!t out, I see nothing wrong with this. I hope that they all can find peace.
Why exactly is it you think Meghan should have to mend fences with Kate? Kate and her vile family who spent 4+ years briefing against Meghan to the press while Meghan was suicidal? Meghan has nothing to apologize for or mend here.
Mending fences could mean Kate apologizes and Meghan accepts the apology. I don’t think in a million years Kate would do it, but that’s one way of mending.
Again, why is it on Meghan to mend this metaphorical fence, when Kate is the one who burned it down? This is all on Kate, not Meghan.
Did I say Meghan has to apologize? No. What is so wrong with wanting 2 families to work it out? I’ve spent the last year in a huge battle with my 2 siblings after our other sibling died. I’d love to be able to work it out and slowly we are getting there. I see nothing wrong with my statement. I hope that they can all work it out.
I always thought people called a truce when they realised they had both taken sides of equal weight in responsibility. Meghan did nothing. Kate did something. This isn’t the time or place for a “truce”; it’s the time and place for an apology. Made public. By Kate.
This.
what truce?Meghan not fighting with anyone.she is silent. Meghan said her peace on Oprah. the only thing she said about Catherine was ,that it was Catherine that made her cry not the other way around. she was not making waves, she wanted to explain,cause the press been hunting her with fake press for yrs,she was the devil in their eyes. no one stood up and helped her, by no one she thought the Firm will correct that fake news. and they didn’t. as far as to what I’ve read,Meghan moved on.Harry spoke a line or so about him and William ,then about his father. other than that they spoke about their mental health and how these lies affected their mind and body . for me i think the queen can’t be that clueless for 4 yrs. she had to have known about this,its been repeated in the press day in and out everyday. over 10 articles a day blasting Meghan. and yet she did nothing. the queen had to know how this was hurting Meghan. one word from the Queen and the press might have stopped. Charles couldn’t protect Meghan cause he also was one leaking crap to the press about her by his connections. Meghan can’t trust him either. he is too fake. Meghan have not said anything since her Oprah interview.she let her lawyers handle things. its Catherine, William , her mother, her uncle who was fighting with a person that never reply to their crap to the press. Meghan moved on with her life. just to be sure,the only time Meghan said something, is when she said , no one ask her if she is ok. meaning the Royal family . than they resigned from working as royals. and she did that Oprah interview. so she is not a chatty woman that call the press for every small detail.
Meghan /Harry is not smearing anyone. all they asked for was the truth be told. none of that happened from Harry family. I understand them loving the Queen, she is Harry grandmother so i guess they decided to gave her a free pass. she did not use connections to write article after article to blast Harry/ Meghan. The Queen had to know its Charles/Camila,William/Catherine , the 2 heirs and their connections. guess she had a tough choice, and it was not to say anything, no way she will want to hurt the heirs. so instead she gave a comfort prize to Harry/Meghan, they zoom talk in private. the queen is not going to choose Harry over the 2 heirs. the queen can’t afford to do that . the Monarchy comes first.
I take comfort in President Biden saying-his mother told him that the people of the USA don’t bT bow to royalty-That’s why we have a fourth of July to celebrate overthrowing the kingof england.The brits say some horrible stuff about Americans-the aristocratic set in the UK are absolute worse-I know why Harry cut off some friends when he wed Meghan-it was going to slip out of their mouths-the brits think they have better manners, language, and grace than Americans-An American lady recalled when she dated a brit and they were at a restaurant and ordered a steak dinner-the steaks were not cooked the way they told the waiter-she was signaling for the waiter to complain about the steaks -her brit boyfriend like to had a stroke and was shaking his head telling her not to complain or send it back-she said looking at him act this way she knew they would not be together long. to her it felt like he would allow and take anything and never complain-that attitude was not for her.