Last December, Prince Charles tried to take some of the heat off of himself by throwing Prince Harry under the royal bus. The subject: Charles’s ongoing cash-for-access and cash-for-honours scandals. Charles clearly leaked a story about how Harry had also fundraised with one of the shadier figures. Harry, in turn, released a statement detailing his exact, above-board dealings with the questionable figure, and Harry pointed out that he warned his family that this dude was shady. Charles could not shut up about that for WEEKS. He kept whining about Harry’s statement to anyone who would listen (the Telegraph, the Times, the Daily Mail). We were gifted with another round of stories about how Harry and Charles’s relationship is quite bad. Since then, Charles did name-check Harry in his Newsweek cover, and there was some belief that Charles was making some public moves to bury the hatchet. Now this:
After news broke over the weekend that the Duke of Sussex is pushing back against the Home Office’s decision to prevent him from paying for police protection when in the UK, it’s been reported that Prince Charles is keen for his son to visit his birth country with his family.
According to the Mirror, the heir apparent reached out to Prince Harry in the run up to Christmas, inviting him, the Duchess of Sussex and their children to stay with him on their next visit to the UK. The offer has been interpreted as a gesture of goodwill from father to son, signalling a deescalation of the tensions that reportedly emerged following Prince Harry and Meghan’s Oprah Winfrey interview in March last year.
Charles last saw the duke and duchess’s son, Archie, when he was just six months old, and has never met the couple’s baby daughter, seven-month-old Lilibet. A ‘royal source’ told the news outlet: ‘The Prince of Wales has been saddened that he hasn’t had the opportunity to spend time with his grandchildren, which he really does miss. He is a fantastic grandfather and loves playing the role immensely and it’s certainly fair to say he feels there is something missing from his life without the ability to get to know Harry’s children. This is something he is hoping to remedy which is why he made the gesture for Harry, Meghan and the children to stay with him if they wanted to, whenever they may come home for a period of time. In the meantime there has been a series of good natured and enjoyable calls between them all which is something the prince very much looks forward to.’
Another source described as ‘close to Charles’ said that he ‘has spoken to his son frequently in recent months’, adding: ‘He loves him very much, as he does both his children, and he looks forward to them being able to spend time together in the near future.’
It’s more like Charles wants credit for public magnanimity while being privately unwelcoming and treacherous. What in the world would Charles do with his “wayward” son, daughter-in-law and two young children visiting him? Charles would hate that. He’s not a baby person. IF the Sussexes visit the UK this spring, I have to think that they would either stay at a hotel, or maybe Frogmore with Beatrice and Jack? Who knows. That being said, I really hope they don’t even come. I hope they understand that they’ll just be used for all of these dumb royal storylines and they just need to keep calm in Montecito.
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Oh dear. House Cambridge must have either done/said/ will be doing/will be saying something that’s going to get/is getting under Charles skin big time for him to have THIS particular little gem thrown out there.
I smell something fishy
Maybe all the articles with Will taking credit for ditching PA? Maybe all the Kate stories ignoring the fact that Cam is next “Queen”. Maybe the fact that PC doesn’t really get to see Will’s children despite K acting like they are all so close? Maybe the skip C&C as next up articles? Maybe the K is the big peacemaker garbage? There’s so much to choose from.
@equality.
I know. There’s just so much to choose from. I’d bet the farm that there’s so much more than has even been leaked.
@MerlinsMom1018 and @Equality … My sentiments exactly. I’m thinking of all the ‘Charles and Harry have barely spoken this year’ stories and also the recent spat of ‘None of the Royals want them here’ stories as well. With the Kensington Palace now ‘former’ Communications Secretary, Jason Knauf, out in the wind I have suspicion of where those stories originated. I think Charles is deliberately countering those stories by putting this out there. I don’t think it’s a PR stunt at all.
Cozying up to Harry is she I’ll seen as a positive move. Even in the BM they can’t ignore how popular the Sussex are.
They use the Sussex for positive or any way they can.
I smell Prince Charles seeing a good PR opportunity. This was likely promoted by the articles about Harry wanting to visit, but also wanting security. Prince Charles is basically inviting him to his place because he’s got free 24/7 security.
It’s also got security that will keep a 24 hour watch on them and spill their locations. Also, can you imagine all the staff and couturiers around at Charles’s house? There would be months and months of stories about how “badly behaved” the Sussex’s were when they were there. I don’t trust a single one of them not to make up stories and leak, leak, leak. And Charles knows Harry just looks bad in the press if he turns down this Trojan horse of an offer. I hope Harry explains WHY he’s turning it down, cause I can’t see this happening. Can anyone else?
@laurelcanyoner I agree. When H stayed with Eugenie nothing was leaked. If I stayed with anyone it would be her. There would be security there since it’s on the Queen’s estate but no courtiers around.
I suspect this is PR nonsense. But IF it’s true, then I think it’s a start. Charles has to start somewhere if he wants to mend their rift. A public apology would go a long way towards that, but again IF this story is true, making small steps is better than nothing? He should mend his relationship with Harry if he can. At least Harry appears to be a person who is decent and loyal, and Charles doesn’t have many of *those* around him.
Maybe not a popular thing to do here, but…
I don’t know, I’m kinda leaning towards this being something that is all Charles, naturally Charles. You have to remember how groomed and hammered he was all his life: I was always waiting to see when or if he’d ever step up and do a great big “f*ck you” to the RF, and show some spine. Even before the wedding, Meghan was being hammered, but Charles stepped up and walked her down the aisle, to the (I imagine) incandescent rage of WillyWanderer and KopyKate. He keeps to himself about Harry, and this may be a genuine thing. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt–he’s not all bad, he’s all a product of the godawful system he was brought up him. Will&Kate’s actions are manipulative, considered, planned, and executed with consistency. Charles, I don’t see anything like that from his side. Please don’t respond with a list of examples to the contrary: I know all the history, but I think there is a real flaw in writing collectively about the ugly mindset of the Royals, when Charles holds a different one and doesn’t deserve to be thrown in with the destructive manipulators. He may not step up and defend anything, but he plays his cards close to his chest, is a harmless old duddy, and is quite likeable, despite the history: I strongly believe he didn’t “do” anything to Diana, and that’s the problem: if he had said a single word, done a single thing, she’d have been ok, but he let her be thrown under the bus. To me, this offer is a sign that he’s not going to do the same to Harry. And always please remember: all the facts you read about what Charles did or didn’t do are not valid–they’re from the media. From my side view, I have seen that, by Harry’s own admission, talks between them stopped then resumed as Charles wanted to resolve things; this is another such thing. Maybe finally in his old age he’s beginning to understand that yes, he does have the power to override everyone else, and he’ll do what he wants. Because that was NEVER possible his entire life. He would have had to do what Harry did if he’d wanted Camilla originally, which he did want…he married Diana in the same way Will married Kate: brood mare, heir provider. Diana was qualified, Kate wasn’t. But Charles was still heavily pressured into giving up Camilla. There is still a remnant of compassion for him in the way HE was treated, hammered, threatened, and all that….and he stayed because he was FIRST in line. You can bet he wished there was a way out, and you can bet he admires Harry for taking it.
And you can’t deny that it is an intriguing moment for him to offer this: right when Andrew has been hurled out. If anyone is promoting the “no comparison” gig between Harry and Andy, it’s Charles. Daddy to the rescue at last? Here’s hoping…
Charles is looking for some much needed allies as #1 son seems prepared to pull the rug from under him.
Pity that Chaz burned his bridges with Son #2, by trying to get him killed along with his wife & child in Canada, just like Charles did with Harry’s mother when he took *her* police protection away.
I can understand them not wanting the taxpayers to pay for the Sussexes since the split. But Harry has explicitly stated he. wants. to. pay. for the police protection.
This “arrangement” Chaz is offering is down to two things:
1. He wants to appear like the saviour, again.
2. He wants the Sussexes surrounded by his spies, aka his staffers.
It’s not a compromise, or even a gesture of goodwill. It’s an abusive trap laid by a horrible father who thinks he’s being clever and Machiavellian. Harry’s therapist will likely have set him straight on this. Harry’s best option is public refusal detailing why. “Want us in the UK for Jubilee? 1. Public apology to my wife from CH & KP, and 2. We pay for our own protection and MI6 keeps our bodyguards updated as to threats”
I frequently wonder what the Swedish Royal family thinks of how their British cousins have been handling this whole thing. Madeline didn’t get treated like trash, she lives in FL and gets to come home to support the SRF during events. None of her honours have ever been stripped. That was the model the BRF should have followed for Harry, but the family is abusive and petty and went in the worst direction they possibly could have chosen.
I hope Harry calls Chuck’s bluff and goes to UK to stay with him. Chuck’s PR is trying to spin a perception of him extending an olive branch to Harry while, behind the curtain, blocking police protection for Harry, Meghan and the kids so that they don’t come to the UK.
As somebody on Twitter pointed out, that offer would have to include security to and from the airport, as well as, anywhere else outside CH. I don’t think they want to come just to be stuck nowhere but CH.
If H&M come, it will be because of this offer, as it affords the protection Harry wants. I believe this is a genuine offer by Charles.
I thought Bea and Jack were out of frogmore. Anyway, Charles is rough and any attempt to make it better in the media always seem fishy fake and unauthentic.
That should be Eugenie and Jack and there hasn’t been any news reported of them moving.
Didn’t Eugenie just film a podcast about her human trafficking charity from Frogmore? The built-in bookcases that H & M designed bearing Eugenie’s family photos, etc. we’re in the background. Frankly, I was more interested in the timing of her podcast ….
I live in the U.K. but I also hope they don’t come here. Its just not worth it. Unless they can get the security they need, Harry should keep his wife and kids well away from this weird, racist Island.
Also lol at Charles for desperately trying to improve his PR image and using the sussexes name to do it
Exactly.
And isn’t it his wife Camilla, who has being telling all & sundry about how she’ll “Never Forgive Meghan”???🙄🙄🙄
Harry needs to just invite Charles to Montecito. Saying it’s just difficult traveling with two small children. So if Charles is really missing his grandkids he’s always welcome to come see them. See how Charles takes that?
@robert how long before weeny throws a big baby tantrum and punches the walls incandescent with rage moaning and threatening to keep his kids away from Charles?
Right?! Doesn’t Charles understand that airplanes fly both ways?
I so agree. This is definitely a PR stunt. Charles already knows they won’t stay with him. When they don’t it, will look like Charles’ olive branch was thrust aside. Charles is only looking out for himself. Its all a ploy.
I feel like there’s no way the whole family will come, surely Harry will come at most? And altho it would make sense to stay at frogmore, imagine it’s not a place meghan would want to return to particularly, after being there throughtout the worst of it, and after saying she was pretty much forced to stay home for months at a time.
Charles just wants it out there he invited them, to look like a loving normal father and all the better if there are some ‘charles snubbed by petulant harry’ headlines for him to get some sympathy of the DMers.
This is the crux of it.
@CherHorowitz
Prince Harry will not be returning to the UK again without his family and without the security he needs, paid for with his own money. Full. Stop.
There will be no consideration/conciliation on H’s part going forward, for visits to the UK, FOR any REASON. Not after what he experienced last spring, where the RF was happy to shell out and provide security for H for phillip’s funeral; and tangentially when he visited again in July for his mom’s statue unveiling BECAUSE bulliam was there also, but NONE when H went off afterwards to do his WellChild event.
H will not subject his precious family to this kind of capricious, on again/off again, now-you-have-it-now-you-dont security.
Which is why in the second paragraph of his Statement he said specifically:
“IN THE ABSENCE OF SUCH PROTECTION, PRINCE HARRY AND HIS FAMILY ARE UNABLE TO RETURN TO HIS HOME.”
This. Harry drew a line in the sand with the 2nd paragraph of his statement.
Which is WHY the palaces are flailing now because they know Harry’s honest scruples about the BRF’s decision making makes them look egregiously bad.
I don’t think there’s anything “surely” about even just Harry returning after it was set-up that he be chased by press while he didn’t have security during the trip back for Diana’s statue.
That was an explicit threat. And quite frankly as another poster said on another article said you have to assume Meghan might insist after that event happening. She’s got 2 babies with him, she surely doesn’t want them to grow up without a father if Harry returned to the UK and the worst happened.
Harry’s duty is to his children now.
Oh my God! I didn’t read about that yet. The press CHASED Harry like they chased his mother to her death decades ago?! Do they NEVER learn?
Go to California, Charles. If you want to see your grandchildren so badly and bury the hatchet with your son, get on a plane and go see them. It’s all power plays with this pile of a-holes
Maybe H needs to put out something saying that PC is welcome to visit in the US and call his bluff.
LITERALLY!!! Planes work both ways. If Chuck was so ‘desperate’ to see his grandchildren he can take that diary of his that is supposedly planned six months in advance and take a trip to Montecito. Unsurprising that the burden of reconciliation is placed squarely on the shoulders of those who were hurt. Ugh makes me so mad.
Reminds me of all my aunts, uncles, and cousins who live up north. On the occasion that I visit, all I hear is moaning and groaning about “we never see you”…”you don’t come up here enough”, and I’m like, yeah you guys don’t visit me either–even when you take week long trips to Disney that I could easily drive to and meet up with you and I end up seeing pictures of on Facebook after the fact. Yeah, this idea that visiting is a one-way street really gets under my skin.
If Charles had any brains, he’d see that visiting Montecito would actually be a genius move and would get him amazing headlines–headlines that William could never, ever get because we all know the Sussexes are not going to allow them anywhere near their home. I certainly don’t want Charles to use them for headlines, but from a PR standpoint, he’s an idiot for not trying it.
The problem is it would call attention to Charles’ de rigueur use of private jets that don’t fly on surplus wine and cheese.
@L84tea, this is exactly my husband’s family. We’ve been married ten years, and his brother and his family (a teen and a college aged daughters) haven’t visited since we got married. His brother used to come visit, he came to visit 3-4 times in the less than two years we dated before marriage.
They just don’t think it’s worth it? Until this past year I thought it was because of all the animals they have, but they drive 1600 miles to Disney for Spring break every year. So it’s just, we’re supposed to come to them?? It’s really started to piss me off.
Exactly. Ain’t nothing stopping Charles from getting on a plane to visit. But he won’t because he and his courtiers would have no control over the visit, the optics and wouldn’t be able to leak anything without catching hell from Harry. If he truly wanted to see Harry and his grandchildren, he would do it on Harry’s terms.
For starters, you cannot miss what you don’t know. How many times has Charles actually even seen Archie before they left the UK? Probably a handful of times, if that. And what about W&K’s kids? How often does he see them? He has three other grandchildren that hardly anybody talks about.
Right!? There is an easy solution to all this hand-wringing about not seeing the grandchildren (as if he actually cares about them- I don’t think I’ve ever seen a candid picture of him being grandfatherly with any of the grandchildren)
There’s been a couple cute ones with the Cambridge kids.
I believe that Charles believes he’s a loving father and grandfather. Unfortunately, he’d can’t NOT be POW, constantly playing the press and obsessed with his image and status. Add in the lack of love and affection he received from his own parents and grandparents, and no Charles, you’re not doing enough.
He never had a one on one photo with Princess Charlotte and she’s shunted off to the side in that photo. Camilla has entertained her grandchildren from her first marriage at Raymill, supposedly Charles does not like small children ‘underfoot.’ He is not loving father as far as I’m concerned. Or grandfather. What sort of man does not see to it that his family gets protection, and he must know about the awful comments made about his son Harry and family. I don’t see any really “cute” pictures of Charles with the Cambridge kids. He interacts with the male children, especially in the “dynasty” photos with Prince George. I never saw a picture of him interacting with Charlotte. And he apparently does not care enough to see the Sussex children–he could arrange for a private jet to go visit them.
Talk about rewriting history? Charles stopped taking Harry’s calls before the Sandringham summit. Long before the Oprah interview.
Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if Harry doesn’t take up Charles on his offer, lest he sees the details of his life in the pages of the sun and daily mail.
somehow that invitation made it to the press? I am sure lies, lies and more lies. H learned about that invitation as the same time as the world did!
If H&M ever stay with Charles even for 1hr, the uk press will have one year of stories to write about because of the amount of leaks coming out of Clarence House… without any public apology or acknowledgement of misdeeds, how can H&M ever consider staying close to those people?
I am not sure how the rf does not see how sick all of this is!
Really, why doesn’t Charles just make a private visit to see Harry? QE2 came to the US on personal visits to see horses. No one made a fuss. It is possible for him to do this if he wanted to. He is vaxed and boostered. Visits work 2 ways.
Wait what? Was Betty’s visit recent? Like circa early 2021, not the past few months where no one’s seen her and no one knows the state of her health.
No, I think she just means in general. I don’t think the Queen has been over here in years.
No, the last private visit was 1989 (I think) – she toured various horse farms in Kentucky. The press / palace described it as a ‘working holiday’.
Much thanks for the clarification!
It speaks volumes about the RF’s mindset that horses are apparently considered more visit-worthy than biracial grandchildren.
Then again, maybe those horses were actually members of a cadet branch of the family. More than a few royals DO look awfully equine…
So I posted on Twitter that Harry’s offer to pay was declined because they want to control his movements, amongst other things. Some folks jumped on that and said Charles offered them his home and Harry was just being entitled. I left the comments as they are because I can’t be arsed to argue with stupid. They must really enjoy living with someone who leaks to the unhinged, non-professional, rubbish press anytime and can control their movements.
“Some folks jumped on that and said Charles offered them his home” HELLO, that’s EXACTLY THE POINT. Harry would be literally in Charles’ house. I can’t take people.
Nope. He’s simply ramping up his PR game ahead of taking the crown. It makes him look sympathetic. It distracts from the Prince Pedo news. He realised it’s the only way to win America. And finally, it makes Baldemort look bad.
But if I were H&M, I’d keep my eyes open. A backstab or a bus is just around the corner.
Yep, Charles wants them to stay with him to get the good daddy press but he also wants them trapped in a house and unable to go anywhere else or do any event that will pull attention or highlight how boring the actual working royals are. They absolutely want to control the sussex narrative and their literal movements throughout the uk.
I’m so torn on some of these stories. The BRF and British media shouldn’t have the pleasure of making the Sussexes miserable/in danger if they ever visit, and they don’t deserve their presence. On the other hand, I feel sad for Harry that the UK is his home and he has friends and good memories there, but he can never go home and share those good parts with his kids. I hope his petition for protection is successful.
Yes Charles , but do you love and miss Harry and his family enough to allow Harry to pay for his own Scotland Yard security? And where will you be putting the incandescent one while there are in the uk so that he doesn’t become engorged when he sees them, and how many pounds of buttons and wiglets id it going to cost you to stop Kate from breaking out into tears because mean Meghan made her cry because Harry kissed his wife Meghan passionately and not her?
This right here. What a sordid mess that family is. SMH!
Then get on the phone to the Home Office and get security for your son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren Charles.
If he can turn random Saudi businessmen into OBEs and citizens, then he can get security for the son he claims to love so much. And, like the Saudi businessmen, Charles won’t even have to pay for it.
Charles had reached maximum sympathy at H&M’s wedding – walking Meghan partway down the aisle and being gracious toward Doria. Then he ripped it all up and flushed it, bit by bit, down the toilet. I think its kind of funny that the press is now at “Oprah interview in March last year.” Then it will be “March two years ago…three years ago…five years ago…ten years ago…”
As I’ve said before 1) I wouldn’t trust British protection officers to truly protect Meghan or the children; 2) I wouldn’t trust any of Charles’ staff to not run immediately to the press with lurid lies about Meghan, her parenting skills and how the children behave.
I think that Harry needs to realize that his families love for him is completely conditional and transactional. They don’t love him for who he is, only for what they can use him for.
“ I think that Harry needs to realize that his families love for him is completely conditional and transactional. They don’t love him for who he is, only for what they can use him for.”
Exactly. If Harry wasn’t aware of it before, he’s aware of it now. I can only imagine it was a bitter pill to swallow.
@Snuffles, I really don’t think that he has. Harry was making excuses for his family during the Oprah interview and is actively seeking a safe way to return to the UK, even after the bullying claims against his wife. I don’t think however, that Meghan is as desperate to return to the land and family that ruined her mental health and I wonder what their conversations about returning are like.
@harla
I didn’t take it as him making excuses for them. I took it as him understanding the long history of generational trauma and the system they find themselves trapped in. I think we can all agree the press has them by the balls because they have SO many dirty and horrific secrets they want to keep buried.
Understanding why they are the way they are doesn’t equal excusing their behavior, because if he did, he would still be in The Firm.
Can you imagine the staff leaks if they stayed with Charles? It would basically be the Spencer movie, Sussex edition.
Hahahahahaha.
someone has decided to put it out there in no uncertain terms that Charles’ and Harry’s relationship is mending, they talk a lot, the phone calls are “good natured” etc, Charles wants to spend time with his grandchildren, etc.
Wonder if this is just general damage control for Charles and his image, or if this is to cover up something coming out soon.
Maybe they are talking a lot and the phone calls are nice, and maybe Charles did invite them to stay with him, and maybe its all just PR spin, or – and this is my guess – the answer is somewhere in the middle.
If charles wants to see his grandchildren that badly, he can get on a plane and go to Montecito.
He can prove his good intentions by going to CA, not discussing it until he returns. Harry would probably even agree to share a picture of him and the kids. It’s amazing how such a tiny gesture would buy him so much good will, but he won’t even do it. I think these people are addicted to their general misery.
Lol Becks— general damage control and trying to pre-empt bad press about him are both forms of damage control. All of Charles’ press is damage control. His whole friggin life is a study in damage control.
Can’t wait until The Crown drops on Netflix— it’s supposed to come out this year, right? And goes up to Diana’s death? I’m here to watch Charles’ meltdown over that.
All in a Jubilee year!
Yes, it comes out this year, but not until the fall, and its only the first season of this new cast! We have two years with this cast (were only supposed to have one but they decided to add another) so not sure how far this season will go.
Yeah. It’s all damage control and also an empty gesture because it doesn’t actually solve Harry’s problem. He needs security for his visit and nowhere in this alleged olive branch does it say that the security issue will be fixed. It’s not like H&M can just stay at CH all day, they have other business to attend to. Charles would just leak the whole visit, like he did with these supposed phone calls; they wouldn’t be able to keep anything private. Also, is it really a good a idea to announce where they would be staying? That’s just putting a target on their backs. Paparazzi would be camped outside for a picture.
I just read yesterday that The Crown drops in Nov 2022 (so still a while off) and will definitely go into and up to the “final days leading to Diana’s death”. So yeah, there’s gonna be a LOT there that Chuck is not looking forward to seeing rehashed for the world.
Some people really don’t want to have children. And I think Charles is one of them. But he was forced to have them so there would be an heir. He would have been perfectly happy if they would have just let him have all the mistress’s he wanted and stay single and childless. I think that’s why he always looks so miserable. This wasn’t the life he wanted.
Charles needed heirs but he is missing the father “gene” the way he let his elder son oust the younger son. And he does not seem to care about the SUssex grandchildren. I am not so sure he sees the Cambridge children that much. Despite his wanting a daughter, his (then) only granddaughter Charlotte, gets pushed over to the other side while he sits with the grandsons. And she is his namesake.
People keep saying that, but I don’t think it would be so easy for Charles to visit H&M. He’s the Future King and it would be hugely disrespectful for him to come to the US and not visit the White House – the UK wants to keep those ties to the US. He’d have to come with Camilla and there would be dinners and meetings – plus, he would require US security. It’s a lot of logistics and timing just to say Hi to the fam. If Charles really has been talking to Harry in enjoyable and good-natured and frequent calls, then that should be enough for now.
No it isn’t disrespectful for Charles to visit the US without dropping by the WH. I don’t think the WH are waiting by the phone for the BRF when they come to the US, people need to understand he doesn’t really have a constitutional role only Elizabeth has at the moment.
I think he could definitely come just to visit his son without Biden expecting a visit. And if he did visit the White House – that could be done in an understated way, much like when William visited the WH a few years ago. Biden stops in on the way from the UK, has a meeting with Biden, photo op, off to a private visit with his son and his wife and their children.
Charles being Charles may mean that he does schedule more meetings etc, but I don’t think anyone would begrudge a grandfather visiting his grandchildren in a private capacity. It
Biden’s got plenty going on here in the US right now….I don’t think he’d be pressed if Charles skipped a WH visit. Especially since the Bidens are very much “family first” type of people, I think they’d get that this is something totally separate from a diplomacy visit. But agree that if it just HAD to be done, it could easily be a quick pop in lunch or whatever, either to or from CA like Becks said.
ETA — and good point that Charles is not even king yet (at least not officially or publically) so is there even anything that he would even be required to do on behalf of the UK?
I really do think it’s a matter of respect. I can just see the press here – the Future King came all the way to the US and couldn’t be bothered to pay his respects to our president. And, however much we think the monarchy is worthless, it still represents the UK, and there would definitely have to be US-based, taxpayer funded security for Charles. It’s not about begrudging Charles anything – it’s a matter of logistics and diplomacy when dealing with a head of state (even if the Queen isn’t dead yet).
But what we are saying is that even as a matter of respect, its still perfectly doable. charles comes to the US, he meets Biden for a half hour with some press and photographers, then he continues on his merry way. I don’t think people in the US are pressed about paying for security for people the way it seems to have taken hold as an issue in the UK, so that wouldn’t even be a story (if he had taxpayer-funded security.)
the only thing keeping Charles from traveling to the US right now to see his son is that he does not want to travel to the US.
Charles goes on private vacations and he doesn’t visit the heads of state every time. Actual presidents and prime ministers have holidays and they don’t have turn them into work visits every time. If he really wanted to go, he could easily visit Harry privately, if Harry even wants him to come because he just tried to get Harry embroiled in his cash for access mess only a few months ago, and then go home. Charles just wants H&M to expend all of the effort for him, under his control, where he can then sell them out to the tabloids like he’s been doing. I’m side eyeing these supposed phone calls hard because again, Charles was just scapegoating Harry not too long ago. Who would be FaceTimeing after that?
@eurydice
Where on earth did you get the idea that all royals must stop by the White House if they ever step foot in the US? There is no such expectation, nor has there ever been. Charles visiting family does not need to turn into an official diplomatic visit. The royals have visited the US many times on personal business in the last. Even the Queen.
Now that might be the attitude of Charles and his courtiers. Simply coming to see family just for family’s sake is a foreign concept to them Everything must be a PR and political exercise. Every family interaction must be leveraged to their advantage. Everything is transactional to them.
@Snuffles, et al – Of course, everything’s transactional with the RF. I don’t believe for a minute that it’s only William who wants to make a connection with the US. After Brexit, the UK needs to solidify the relationships it has. Does anybody seriously think Charles or BP or 10 Downing would give up a PR opportunity to show Charles as the FQ just so he could visit a baby? No, he can’t just “pop over” to see Harry & Co, even if he actually wanted to see his grandchildren (which I also don’t believe for a minute) – that’s just romance fiction. There will always have to be a political and PR advantage and his grandkids alone are not considered important to the monarchy or the UK.
@eurydice
I guess I’ll disagree with everyone and say that Charles could meet with the President before or after, and that a White House visit would be the perfect acceptable excuse for the trip for Torys and the Daily Mail. Or he could meet with Trudeau in Vancouver, which is a short hop away from Southern California. If anything, this could be seen as a way to shore up diplomatic ties in a post-Brexit world. Before now, it’s mostly been foreign dignitaries seeing the British royals in the UK. But since (frankly) the UK is in real economic trouble due to Brexit, it might be time to send their supposed heads of state on a charm offensive to beg for the bailout the UK is going to need.
A good will gesture would be for Charles to stop the “investigation” of Meghan. And tell William to call off Jason Knauf.
My hope is that the entire Sussex family attend the Invictus Games and bypass the UK entirely and obviously. And at the games (and also for some other charitable events) Harry and Meghan mingle with all the other European royals who are there to support their athletes. And Jill Biden, who also attends. And there are just tons of pictures of everyone else who is of sane mind and body loving, respecting, applauding, and protecting the Sussexes.
This is my hope for the spring 🤞🏽
People are so stupid. They say Harry doesn’t need protection because Charles’ house is secure enough but it’s not like they could teleport there and then never leave the grounds.
Also, Chuck – you want to get to know your grandkids? Protect them. Or even fly to see them. Planes cross the Atlantic in both directions.
The attempt to use Harry as a scapegoat in the cash for honors scandal blew up in Charles’ face. So now he trying to use Harry for PR by playing the concerned dad/grandfather. This is a well established pattern for Charles. He uses Harry depending on what he thinks will benefit him. Also, IMO. He dropped this to distance himself from the security story. I think that was a William leak. It was sloppy and it backfired. Charles saw an opportunity to make himself look magnanimous.
Planes go in both directions, Charles. If you desperately want to see your grandkids
( which is highly doubtful) get on a plane and see them since it’s too dangerous for them to go there.
Charles took Harry’s security away the first time, no doubt he is blocking him from paying for his own now, which is sick for a father to do. He is such a horrible man. What kind of parent does that to their child and grandkids?
What’s that I smell? Desperation. Chuck needs Harry for that good press, those feel good stories. Ignore him, Harry. You can’t tell me Charles is unaware of Harry’s security concerns. He knows and has not intervened. He doesn’t really want to see those kids. He just wants to use them to improve his image. Stay home, Harry. Make him come to you.
Exactly. Charles is acting like he just found out about the security situation when Harry clearly said its been an issue for two years. Thanks, “Pa”. What a butt hole.
Completely off topic but in that top picture, Harry and Meghan look so hot and loved up with each other. I can totally see why the keenbridges are always incandescent and mean and bitter . Must suck to know that while you are always engorged and plotting, your younger, hotter , charming brother is living his best life.
Harry, Meghan, and the kids need to stay faaaarrrrr away from England. I fear for their safety and don’t trust Charles.
What’s truth? Because a few weeks ago, Charles made it known to the press that he and Harry weren’t talking now, he’s leaking to the Mirror that the opposite is happening. I believe they still aren’t talking to each other and Charles is trying to portray himself as the victim in this whole mess when he enabled William and Palace staff to smear Harry and Meghan and did nothing to protect them.
So Charles invites Harry, Meghan and their children to his house but continues the alleged “bullying” investigation against Meghan……
A clear sign that this article is just PR for Charles or most likely a fabrication from the press to keep their royal narrative going.
Charles fails on all the keypoints: security for the Sussexes, protecting H&M from the toxic rota tabloids, mending the rift between his sons and exposing the royal racist (diversity tsar?🤔)
The bullying investigation obviously needs to be broadened to include the pedo now. I have a feeling that the investigation will be quietly dropped.
“Making moves ….to bury the hatchet.”–right in Harry’s back.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Hmm, this is not only damage control but is also a subtle way of telling people that he’s not the one getting in the way of the Sussex’s getting police protection – it seems like they are trying to get ahead of a negative story coming out about it.
I still think that a lot of these “harry no getting’ anything is coming from William – who is acting out because he cannot control him, so in return is not letting him have any toys to play with. Let’s face it TQ is not in charge any more and Chuck has never every been able to manage his eldest son. William is not going to like Harry and Charles having a good relationship so he will do what he can to sour it.
But he’s already insinuated so many things, only for us to find out that he was lying. For example, he implied that he provided financial support for H&M while they were in Canada and the beginning of their stay in the US; he implied that he helped H&M buy their house in Montecito; he argued that he didn’t “cut Harry’s security” because it was provided until Q1 of 2021 (or something). Maybe the latter is true, but it’s a partial truth at best that relies on technicalities. The others are outright lies. So I think this is Charles again trying to insinuate that he’s been supportive of Harry’s plight to get security all along, but doesn’t say this outright.
Charles has consistently released vague statements about Harry, let the media and public draw their own (incorrect) conclusions, then dares to act like the hurt father when it turns out the public perception he created and encouraged is shown to be a farce.
CBers, please correct me if I got any of the facts wrong in the list above.
@LaraW: You’re absolutely right. Charles’ inclusion of Harry and Meghan in last year’s annual report was an outright lie because in the 2020 report it was stated that he funded them until March. And let’s not forget he tried to throw Harry under the bus in the cash for access scandal. Charles is not an innocent party in the smear campaign against Harry and Meghan and he has equal ownership of it as William and Kate,
Getting back in good graces with Harry and Meghan is incredibly beneficial to any future reign of King Charles, one may even say it is a necessity. It is hard to believe the good will of a monarch when he hasn’t seen his grandchild.
This is a power play between Charles and William. Harry and Charles together is more healing and productive for the monarchy that Charles and William. William is a tool.
In Charles’s defense, I do believe that a visits to Montecito would be unhealthy for everyone to say the least. He travels with his own bed and a dude that puts toothpaste on his toothbrush for him. Personal opinion of that aside, he’s in his 70’s. While theoretical change is possible, let’s not forget how set in his ways he is.
Could you imagine hosting that at Montecito?!? Poor Meghan. While the Sussexes seem to have a wealthy life, they don’t live that upstairs/downstairs life.
I also think that Charles suggesting staying with him is trying to imply that they would be safe with him and his protection. If he deliberately says that, the haters will come for him.
He travels with his own bed??? Really???
The Daily Mail is absolutely out to get Harry and Meghan and as the government, royal family and the press are an unholy trinity, the UK is a dangerous place for them to be. It’s obvious when they work together to deny him basic protection. The best thing for Harry to do is to stay away from the UK for now. The Jubilee is just made up nonsense but the danger of being chased and pursued is real. Charles has the authority to protect his son and his family, but obviously his fake invitation didn’t address that part. Charles doesn’t get chased so he doesn’t care.
Yeah, H&M + kids are not going anywhere near the U.K. for the foreseeable future. Harry most likely will go when his grandmother passes on, but the RF and BM just jeopardize any potential family visits with that bs stunt! Your loss for the money shots BM, your loss!
“Fantastic grandparents” do not throw their sons under the bus. They do not allow racist crap against their daughter-in-law. They do not remove security and the ability to pay for security from their children and grandchildren when there is a known risk. He is not a fantastic grandpa. He’s the kind of toxic grandparent you cut ties with.
Better Up is setting up branches in Europe, London is one of the cities, so Harry needs the security in place, it’s not all about the BRF, Harry is a working man.
Invictus Games office is in England and other businesses Harry involved with.
BetterUp may be able to provide adequate protection. That is, unless BRF blocks them too. Invictus Games may also be able to secure protection for its founder.
exactly Jan. Harry has business interests & his causes he might want to attend to directly in U.K. He also has friends & relatives aside from his treacherous ones that he may want to visit. It’s the 25th anniversary of Diana’s passing so he might want to go to her resting place this year. Not everything is about the royals & the jubilee
I think CH read the room that it looks bad in some quarters that the press are reporting the queen won’t help with Harry’s security request so is going for caring grandfather PR. Sadly the north remembers his silence when archie was compared to a monkey at 2 days old, his security cut off, reports of plans to deny him a title and his silence on abuse towards of 4day old Lili after the palace ran to tell the BBC that Lili’s name wasn’t approved.
Harry does have legitimate business in the UK but the press and the palace don’t want people to know that which is why they are trying to limit his security to events that benefit themselves. They don’t want Harry coming in getting things done, sucking up all of the attention from them, and then leaving. The BM live streamed Meg’s Ellen appearance, imagine if they did a NYC 2.0 in the UK. H&M would be in the news for weeks and we know that the Sussexes don’t go anywhere empty handed. They’d be donating money and necessities whilst the Keens show up to a food bank with only photogs. It seems like the royals miss the shine that Harry brought and Meghan intensified and only want the Sussexes around if they can make the whole family not look like rapist apologists.
People with enormous resources can make these conciliatory gestures without too much to trouble to themselves. Charles has multiple palaces and copious help. Helicopters and private plane access. Limos. Security.
The Sussexes could stay with Charles and have little actual contact. It’s not like they’d all be sharing a hotel suite. This is a smart move. Think how it will enrage Will. Charles will enjoy that And he will get to meet his grandchildren.
“Come into my parlor” said the Spider to the Fly.
No, thanks.
Why on earth would H&M stay somewhere they woud be spied on and where their movements would be leaked whenever it was convenient for the BRF? They are smarter than that.
But I wouldn’t be surprised either if that article was the first time Harry and Meghan heard about the invitation. Charles is just trying to win points, he dgaf about his son or his grandchildren, he’s already proved that.
Maybe someone told Charles that William’s petulant child act and vendetta against Harry are not coming off as well as they had hoped on the global stage. Maybe he has realized that it would look better to welcome the most popular royals back into the fold. Nah, they don’t have common sense. I call BS on this story. Although I bet you that Meghan would totally be supportive of trying to mend bridges – look at how many chances she gave her own dad. She is the true peacekeeper that doesn’t like the stress of holding a grudge.
The use of UK police as part of his security detail would be IN ADDITION to H’s own security and wd give H’s own security the cover they need to carry their own weapons also. Thats what this is all abt. Foreign security personnel (incl Secret Service when US presidents visit) cant carry weapons to protect their subjects without being accompanied by Scotland Yard.
@Charm When guarding the US President on foreign soil Secret Service agent are always armed.
I think the Biden’s would be just fine with Charles Not stopping in for a quick visit. I believe they have watched the situation with the royals and the BM play out and see exactly what BRF and the BM are really about. I think the Biden’s see the root of the issue. The Biden’s know Harry and have spoken respectfully about Harry. Jill Biden is an Invictus Supporter. They know the royals are underhanded. As for Charles stopping in for a quick visit to the White House, do you honestly believe that the Biden’s have forgotten Camilla and Fart -gate from the climate change conference? I don’t want my taxpayer dollars to provide security for Any of the royals to come to the U. S. let them stay home and continue to mooch off the UK.
Charles would probably want to stop in so that he could claim it was a business trip and get it paid for without him paying.
Stopping to see the president also means flying all the way to the States and then flying coast to coast. It can’t be a short flight to cross the US.
Gaslighting? He knows Harry won’t come without security and he refuses to have him protected.
lol it suddenly dawned to him that without the promise that he’d get BM access to sussex babies he’d be back on the crossfire!! He’s only doing this to save face+try to get shane/guilt H&M into giving him access. Notice how all the tabs especially the sc*m went straight into pleading for him to see Lili
Charles: Let me get a photo or two showing off that cute biracial baby. That’ll show them! I’m one of the good ones!
I don’t say the n word openly and when I see a person of colour, I may cross the street, but that’s just out of respect. And I always remember to ask them to “give my regards to all the ethnics”!
Damage control.
Maybe it’s the lawyer in me, but this looks suspiciously like trying to undercut the judicial review. If Hand M stay with Charles, then no need for extra security because the home is already ‘protected’. Therefore no need for H to pay for it, because they won’t ‘need’ it. I think this is pretty malicious imo.
I’m not a lawyer but this is what it looks and smells like to me too. It’s either a 2fer, good / sympathetic PR, or a Trojan Horse. The endgame is the same.
AM and Chelle, but H&M wouldn’t be able to step one foot out the door without Chuck and his security. What a load of crap. Is PC actually behind this fantasy?
So if Harry turns the offer down, Harry is the bad guy, right? It’s another set up.
If I were Harry I would want my children to see the places where I grew up and the places that honor their grandmother, Diana. He does not want any of them to be cut off from the Diana connection: from places she lived, to places she took Harry when he was a child.
I am certain that M and H most want to make Diana as alive as possible for their children. Harry wants Diana, his living breathing adoring mum to have a posthumous connection with her grandchildren. Or I should have written it the other way around.
England represents lots of terrible soul-shattering things for them but also there is the history with Diana. Harry may also be using QE2 as a surrogate older female figure.
I just cannot imagine how I would always be in search of the details and setting of time I had spent with a beloved parent. And when you consider his youth and adolescence and the paucity of emotionally sensitive people in his life…….it is a very human tragedy on so many levels.
Harry’s Spencer grandmother passed on some years ago, she was quite ill at the end and lived alone and isolated. I think Harry is close to his Spencer Aunts and I hope they can manage to visit Harry, Meghan and family. I hope he also turns to them and thinks of them as relatives he can turn to.
LaraW, and Charles is the same liar who said Diana herself did not want British Secret Service protecting her. And then produced a paper allegedly “signed” by her after her death saying as much. Her “reason” is that U.K. Secret Service reported back to Charles about her life. Who could have told her that? Secret Service themselves? Charles, taunting her and setting her up, that he knew every move she made, in and out of the bedroom. thus provoking her to refuse British security, if she indeed did (which I doubt)?
It never ceases to amaze me that Camilla couldn’t bring herself to physically connect Charlotte to the group in that ‘family’ photo. Everyone else is physically connected, but Charlotte is on her own. Camilla is literally shoving her aside — you can see Charlotte doesn’t have room for her right shoulder and arm, and is bracing against the armrest to stay upright. Love that Charlotte doesn’t notice or care.
Camilla’s first interest would be her own grandchildren through her first marriage. Charlotte should have sat with the rest of the family, she should have been on Charles’ lap. Charles was near his male grandchildren and interacted with them (in some other photos) and the only girl was put to the other side. Strange.
Kate should have seen to it that Charlotte was sitting with THEM and right near Charles
I’m just not sure I believe Charles contacted Harry at all about this. I think it’s just a strait up lie. Possibly he told the met police that Harry could stay with him and would have his security, which is why the met denied letting Harry pay for his own met police. Idk that’s just a possible theory. Or it’s what they’ll try and say when it all comes out in the judicial review and this is part of the cover story. But Charles said he was helping them with security before and that was a lie and this is another lie that he’s actually contacting Harry. I don’t believe they’re talking at all. Harry just blew up his spot when he publicly denied the cash for honors insinuations. I mean maybe they’re talking and I know nothing but I’m leaning towards no contact at all.
I don’t mean to nitpick but shouldn’t the article say Eugenie and Jack, not Beatrice?
That family picture again, with Charlotte the spare off to the side. She will hopefully escape like Harry did
I always thought Charles walking Meghan part of the way down the aisle was for HIS PR, he soon showed that he really did not care about Meghan and let her be treated badly by the Cambridges.
When COVID eased up for a time before Omicron, Grandparents were AVID to see their grandchildren, some never saw the new baby and had to wait until they could travel. Charles has his private jets. Normal grandparents would rush to visit the grandchildren they have never seen. But Charles doesn’t./
When we go abroad to these family reunions/functions, you usually stick with people your own age/life stage. Young children? Bunk with the cousin/sib that also has young kids – their places will be babyproofed, have the toys and necessities. You don’t bunk with the elders who have nothing to offer when entertaining kids…hmmmm…