The Jeremy Clarkson story was so bad, people are talking about Rose Hanbury

As the Jeremy Clarkson story exploded over the weekend, people obviously expounded on how Clarkson’s violent rhetoric about the Duchess of Sussex reflected poorly on the entire Windsor clan. The Windsors have always stayed silent as Meghan has been attacked, abused, smeared and threatened. That’s because the Windsors enjoy seeing Meghan harmed in such ways, and they even instigate it. The call is coming from inside the house most of the time. What was also interesting was seeing some people bring the conversation around to Prince William’s treatment of his sister-in-law and why, as Harry said, they were always happy to lie to protect William. Catherine Whelen is a managing editor at the Wall Street Journal, and she tweeted a familiar “theory” about why things went down the way they did:

Interesting enough, I can’t embed that tweet because shortly after she tweeted that, her account disappeared. Perhaps it was on Rupert Murdoch’s orders – the Mudochs own the WSJ, The Sun and the Times of London. The Sun and the Times seem to be under strict orders to tamp down and flatly ignore gossip about William’s wandering sceptre. So… is that what happened here?

Besides that, Whelan kind of has the timeline wrong, at least that’s my theory. I think William’s very alleged (!!!) affair with the Marchioness of Cholmondeley was happening before and during Kate’s pregnancy with Louis, meaning 2017-18. The gossip about the affair didn’t start until February/March 2019. I think William absolutely briefed against Meghan specifically in 2019 to hide gossip about his affair. Even Richard Kay – who likely spoke directly to William – seemed to get orders to blame MEGHAN for the affair story. It was truly a bonkers time in royal gossip. But yes, in general, William and Kate sought to smear Meghan for multiple reasons, some of which involved William covering up rumors of a torrid affair.

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  1. Andy Dufresne says:

    Like father like son. It’s even alleged that William and Rose had an affair even before Kate was pregnant with Louis. Kate knew he’s been having affairs. Louis was just a band aid baby.

    William had an affair with Jecca Craig before that. Then that stopped (per Kate’s orders). He then moved onto Rose and was said even had a love child with her (allegedly her youngest child).

    His affairs had been going on since they got married. It’s only when Meghan came along that William finally found the perfect scapegoat. I hope he gets exposed. I dunno why people are afraid of him. He’s trash.

    • Rapunzel says:

      I remember before their wedding, there was some special wedding dedicated magazine I saw at Barnes and Noble. There were several different “Will and Kate Royal Wedding” publications, but the particular one I leafed through specifically predicted Will would cheat with Jecca because she was his Camilla. It stuck in my mind because i thought it was rude (wasn’t following the gossip then). So the cheating is no news and totally expected.

      • Brassy Rebel says:

        When it was announced that William would not be receiving a wedding ring at the ceremony before the wedding ever took place, I told people that he was not really committed and was publicly announcing it. This was at the height of the “fairy tale wedding” publicity. No one I said this to agreed with me and they thought I was making too much of it. I feel vindicated now.

      • C says:

        Oh I remember that! And the thing that made me actually take notice of it was that William leaked a bunch of stories about how “royal men never wear wedding rings!!!” to excuse it. Which is a blatant lie, lol.
        There were no hints of Jecca in the UK papers at the time. It was really ridiculously sycophantic once she got Diana’s ring.
        Watch their wedding. He doesn’t look at her as she walks down the aisle, doesn’t lift her veil, drops her hand like a hot stone after the vows, and she had to drag herself into the carriage. Sheesh.

      • Becks1 says:

        William also did not vow to be faithful in his wedding vows. I remember this specifically bc an old teacher of mine (who is a big fan of the royal family, buys into the whole “perfect marriage” for W&K thing etc) mentioned it on FB as we were watching the wedding – “why didn’t william pledge to be faithful?” My response was that I figured it was because it was assumed he wouldn’t be faithful.

      • Nic919 says:

        The amount of people who tried to say it was a British aristo thing for men not to have a wedding ring despite Philip and Charles having one, even if worn on a different finger was very hilarious to see. Kate was sold as the anti Diana because she knew he was going to do what he wants and she was going to take it.

        If the Jecca situation ended it was because Jecca decided not Kate. After all William had no problem going to Jecca’s wedding on his own and missing Easter with his kids.

      • Jais says:

        Did not know that William never vowed to be faithful during the wedding. Huh. It definitely seems like he didn’t see this as a traditional marriage from the start. I just always wonder how clear he was with Kate about that from the start. Was it he’d always cheated so he just assumed she understood that going in? Or were there formal contracts of what was allowed and not allowed. Or just informal conversations.

    • Josephine says:

      The whole family is trash. Nasty, lazy, unintelligent, entitled grifters.

    • Chloe says:

      @andy; i have seen pictures of her daughter Iris and she looks nothing like william so I highly doubt that she is his love child.

      • Nanny to the Rescue says:

        Maybe the girl just got lucky that she doesn’t look like William? All the Windsor kids will be much better off if they take more after their mums look-wise. William looks about 10 years older than he is and Harry, while the better looking of the two, is starting to show his genes too.

      • Sunday says:

        Yea, IMO the paternity of Jecca’s child is much more interesting. They kept her pregnancy a complete secret until the son was six months old. It’s eyebrow-raising given William’s frequent (unchaperoned) visits to her, the timing of her wedding, all of it.

      • Patsy says:

        Irish is Charlotte’ s twin from the last pic I saw
        In fact people were commenting on it that it had to be scrapped of internet
        That kid is William’s
        That’s why they protect her more than her older siblings
        Let’s not even talk about how jecca is rumored to have William’s son
        William is his mother’s nightmare

      • PrincessK says:

        The girl looks like her father, not William.

    • notasugarhere says:

      William would never stop an affair ‘on Kate’s orders’. LOL. He gets caught, the Midds act out in public to get PR for Kate in retaliation, and he continues to do what (and whom) he wants regardless.

    • juliajane says:

      I specifically remember reading the pre-wedding anonymous courtier published comment: “There will be affairs, and they will be borne with dignity.” The contract was clear from the beginning.

      • Lizzie Bathory says:

        I saw those stories, too. I now think the bad news might have been delivered by Susan Hussey during Kate’s “princess lessons.”

    • RP says:

      Ok, so I just googled “Rose Hanbury Children” and it listed her three kids. However, to the right of Lady Iris, the thumbnail photo for her to the right of her name is a pic of Kate Middleton! I just guffawed so loud when I saw that! Wish I could upload a screencap of it on here to show you guys.

    • Sunday says:

      I think that Rose is the agreeable catchall/shorthand for ‘William’s mistress.’ Her and her husband’s families have served the crown for centuries, having news of an affair tossed about online would be seen as par for the course, particularly when they haven’t had to worry about any coverage in their own country, any coverage of the details of their owned rumored arrangement of a marriage, etc.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think they absolutely had an affair, past-tense. While I think it’s possible that William threw Meghan under the bus to prevent the Rose story from coming out, I think the very fact that it was a “Rose story” is the key here – I think that the media ran with this affair because the real truth about William was deemed untouchable. Like, ‘we can’t publish what we really want to, so here’s some low-hanging fruit about Rose Hanbury as a nudge, a threat.’

      As I commented upthread, I think that Jecca is the real key. I think that the strange obfuscation surrounding the birth of her son is suspicious, as is William going to visit her (and the baby) solo. I think the timing all works out, too – Jecca had the child around late 2015/early 2016, William attended the wedding in March 2016, he subsequently goes on a spiral and Rose Hanbury is the rebound. Kate finds out and gets Louis out of the ensuing negotiations, and then the press gets wind of the whole scandal, focuses in on the Rose bit because it won’t get them in as much trouble as speculating about William’s child with Jecca would, William squashes the story by feeding Meghan to the press, and here we are.

      Anyone have any more tinfoil? I’ve used all of mine up, lol.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Sunday – What an excellent use of tinfoil!!!

      • Pinkosaurus says:

        I think another possibility is Willie is involved with the rumored Russian lawyer in London and is compromised as a national security threat. Rose is an expected and appropriate distraction from William’s poor judgment. So far, William has avoided the bags of cash corruption of KC3 but maybe he’s just in a honey trap instead? Wonder if the Russian London lawyer has a sketchy background with Russian government/criminal oligarch connections?

      • Anners says:

        Ooh! I really like this theory. And while I’m quite sick of the Cambridges, I would love to hear all the deep down dirty details of their confusing relationship (and all the side pieces). That’s the tell-all book I would pay good $$$ for.

      • Babz says:

        @Sunday, your tin foil tiara is shining brightly! You timeline takedown is perfect!

      • Sonia jarvis says:

        My very same theory of what s been happening. It’s not just an affair with Rose.

      • Suaan says:

        I too believe that rose hanbury has become a catch all. It seems like they want everyone to focus on her. Her and her husband family doesn’t seem to care. It’s too wanted. Kate even took that picture up top that looks like they are posing for this very topic. William looks bashful, Kate looks pleased. Rose looks perturbed, the husband looks pleased. I don’t know if this rose affair happened. I think William is still trying to find a mate and is probably dating around.

    • Jane says:

      Gee whiz— why can’t Brits get rid of the monarchy? They’re displaying wealth every time they get together whilst people in the UK are struggling to make ends meet. Just bonkers.

  2. girl_ninja says:

    William cheated/cheats on Kate and Meghan got caught in the crossfire so that lazy Willy would be covered. It’s that simple and disgusting.

    • Nic919 says:

      It’s also why Meghan gave kate the grace she doesn’t deserve about the reason why she yelled at Meghan during Meghan’s wedding preparations.

      The rose affair lasted about three years and started well before Louis was born. Even rose’s brother confirms the dinner meetings William and rose would have. Kate just happened to find out or she was told in a public way, around the time of her pregnancy with Louis.

      • Becks1 says:

        The Hench on here said that it lasted for about 3 years and didn’t end until the pandemic, so 2017 makes sense (just happens to coordinate with the dad-dancing, right? seems like maybe the marriage was in a bad place.)

        Kate finds out in 2018. Kate makes Meghan cry. Louis is born. Maybe Kate thinks the affair is over, maybe not. In spring 2019 she tries to ice out Rose and the whole thing comes crashing down around her.

      • Green girl says:

        Yeah I think Meghan knew or suspected that things were not good with William and Kate and has been gracious in how she has talked about Kate. If I were Kate I would be mortified if I tried to bring someone down but they were still polite to me at least in public. I would change my ways too for the better.

      • Seraphina says:

        I agree w/you @Nic. That is exactly why Meghan showed her grace and I bet it eats away at Kate that Meghan did show her grace due to her marital situation.

      • Jaded says:

        In Kate’s twisted mind, the fact that Meghan cut her a LOT of slack over the “Meghan made Kate cry” falsehood by merely stating “she’s a good person, she was going through some stuff at the time” angers her no end because she sees it as an obligation, not as a favour. Mean-girls like Kate hate it when someone doesn’t engage in a knock-down with them, and instead says something nice, because then you’re obliged to be nice back to them. Not Khate’s style, she’s far too jealous, arrogant and spiteful to make peace and, in fact, ramped up her obvious disdain of Meghan.

    • susan says:

      Hah, His “willy” is the only part of him that’s *not* lazy. But I’ll bet that he, like his daddy, is probably an indifferent lover, just lays there and lets her do all the work.

  3. Rapunzel says:

    The specific mention by Clarkson of Rose West and the noticeable coverage of William’s solo attendance of Rose Farquhar’s wedding are no coincidence, imo. They are reminding Will what they know.

    We heard the truth would make your eyes bleed. I wonder if there’s photographs somewhere of Wills rose gardening. Perhaps ones that prove the pegging rumors?

    • Chloe says:

      @Rapunzel: i don’t doubt that there are pictures of him at least kissing another woman that definitely isn’t kate. And in the worst case scenario he does more than kiss. If there wasn’t solid proof for an affair, i don’t think he would be going so hard.

    • Sean says:

      If the truth is that Will has affairs or orgies is the stuff that will “make people’s eyes bleed”, I feel like that says a lot about how insulated and sheltered these people are. While consenting adults having extramarital affairs certainly would be a scandal for the BRF, I don’t see how that knowledge becoming public be “bleeding eyes” worthy. I feel like most people would shrug and laugh about it being what you’d expect from wealthy royalty.

      When I heard “the truth about William will make people’s eyes bleed”, my mind went to much darker places than simple extramarital affairs.

      Maybe that just says something about me.

      • Emily_C says:

        Mine did too. Someone on here said that in Britain, they would use that to just refer to kinky stuff, which seems like massive pearlclutchery to me. Though I admit, the thought of seeing Will having sex at all does make me want to gouge my eyes out.

      • Heyhey22 says:

        @Sean and Emily C:
        something tells me it’s darker,I’ve heard on LA board, that it may have something to with previous ODs, outside kids, allegedly involved in the leaking of H’s location in Afghanistan, which may be a crime, and harassment of women(I believe M comes to mind specifically and that’s why they left imo).

      • AnneL says:

        I think the whole business about him liking “Pegging” is king of a nothing burger to me. If he’s cheating that’s bad in and of itself, but not because of what he’s doing, only because he’s betraying his wife. It’s not my business what kinks people like in their private lives and I honestly don’t think it should be the public’s either.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think if there are pictures it could be problematic. I don’t care what William does with consenting adults (even though I think he’s garbage for treating on his wife and obviously for what he did to H&M) but there’s being okay with something between consenting adults and then seeing pictures of it. I do not need to see pictures of William in an orgy in the middle of the Norfolk countryside lol.

      • Eurydice says:

        Lol, maybe it’s more that anyone seeing William at an orgy would be screaming, “My eyes, my eyes!!!”

      • Sue E Generis says:

        It cannot be just an affair. One, because that’s really not at all a big deal, especially to royals who are practically mandated to cheat. Two,, because we already know about it. The affair might be the world’s most open ‘secret’ ever.

        I also think that since it’s the British media, and given the muck they live in, a simple affair wouldn’t really even be worth mentioning. I think William has a personality disorder and has done dark and maybe even criminal things.

      • Seraphina says:

        @Emily_C – thank you! I needed that laugh!

      • sparrow says:

        AnneL. I agree with you. The pegging thing doesn’t matter; the context is the affair, which DOES matter. Whatever floats his boat, if legal and no harm to others. The affair is the harm to another, Kate and the partner on the other side/s, likely M&H. The pegging thing just got a whole load of funny stories and photos, which was a bit of a laugh! I also think it had importance in reigniting the affair story because, without it being so sensational, the affair rumour could have remained dormant. Every now and again, the affair is prodded into life, by any means possible.

    • Queen Meghan's Hand says:

      On the “make people’s eyes bleed” I think it’s either 1) hyperbole to highlight the extent to which Peg is protected by the British media or 2) there’s evidence, testimony that Peg has physically assaulted Kate and other people during his ‘incandescent’ rages.

      I think it’s 2. The way the Wales body language is so, so disconnected…Kate was well-trained for a life with a cheating FFK now FK, so affairs with frenemies is too small an explanation for why she can’t bear to touch him or be touched by him. The way Tina Brown and others describe their fights feels very…domestic violence-y. Now, I don’t hope this is true, but this is the theory I keep coming back to.

      • SomeChick says:

        I think this is a very solid theory. we hear all the time what a ragemonster he is. why would the FFK stop short of physical violence?!

        if he beats up on Charles that would be elder abuse, or even “just” threatening him. I wouldn’t be surprised if corporal punishment was common in that family. I mean we’ve seen what kind of boarding school Charles was sent to. and the entire concept of the British empire is rooted in Might Makes Right. it’s endemic. so this seems extremely plausible.

        perhaps he seriously injured someone and it’s been covered up. we know what this family is capable of. the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree. so yes, this makes sense.

        AND there have been numerous affairs. AND one or more of them may have been with a Russian agent. (another commenter mentioned his “meetings” with MI6 a few years ago.)

        AND he leaked Harry’s location in Afghanistan (and also Canada, but the Afghanistan one is a bigger deal on several levels).

        AND there are financial improprieties with the so-called charitable foundation.

        something is rotten in the palace. pretty much EVERYthing is rotten in the palace!

      • Isabella says:

        2nd makes sense. I did wonder why Harry would be terrified when William yelled at him at the summit. I mean, Harry has been in Afghanistan.

        As an aside, I marvel that Kate can smile at her husband’s mistress and kiss her cheek, but can’t even be polite to Meghan in public.

      • Babz says:

        She’s able to be friends with Rose, because of whatever contract was negotiated regarding affairs. However, I’m not surprised that she can’t be friends with Meghan, because I’m pretty sure Meghan knows about the affairs, and Kate can’t stand the thought of that. It’s easier for Kate to take her anger out on Meghan for knowing, because Meghan is the “outsider.” Kate can’t bear the idea that someone from outside knows that her perfect, fairy tale marriage is in actuality a complete nightmare. She can’t go after Rose, but Meghan gives her the perfect opportunity to lash out in her anger and humiliation. Yes, she’s humiliated, regardless of the “contract” allowing him to cheat. She’s hurt, too, in spite of the front they put on for the public. Meghan came along at the right time for her to unload her rage and humiliation, and she’s going to take every advantage she can to do it.

        I also suspect that, given her very obvious attraction to Harry, she’s humiliated in front of him, too, because I think he pitied her at first, and she would hate that his only feelings for her were pity. Now, because of her actions, he most probably has been drained of pity and only feels anger and disgust for her treatment of Meghan. She truly is isolated and alone except for her mother and maybe her sister. What with her extreme thinness and haggard, aging looks growing more noticeable every day, she must hate that Meghan and Harry know everything. She’s well on the path to a breakdown, if she hasn’t had one already. The sad thing is that she could have had their support if only she and her ass of a husband hadn’t been so hateful and abusive to them.

      • aftershocks says:

        @Isabella: ” I marvel that Kate can smile at her husband’s mistress and kiss her cheek…”

        While this public politeness scenario is known for happening among the British aristo set, the skinny is that Khate was unawares regarding the Will/ Rose affair when the depicted charity event took place. The guilty looks by Will and Rose in these pics, and the smug, self-satisfied look by Khate, seem to evidence that Khate didn’t know about the affair until much later.

        As we know, Kate is not an aristo. Her reaction toward Rose, once she learned of the affair, was anger and a desire to ostracize Rose, which was and is, laughable. The ‘Turnip Toffs’ look down on Khate and her ‘limpid, Wisteria sister,’ faux posh accent, wannabe behaviors.

      • ChattyCath says:

        I’ve thought for a long time that domestic violence is involved. Why does Kate run to Mummy so often? There are so many things it could be. Maybe the ‘work’ on her face is from a maxillofacial surgeon. Maybe it accounts for sudden vacations. William is destroying the Monarchy.

      • Ameerah M says:

        Abuse doesn’t always have to be physical.

  4. BayTampaBay says:

    Rose is old gossip. I want ALL the dirt on on the “London Lawyer”!!! LOL! LOL!

    • Jais says:

      I just want the story to break open one day, all these hints talking around something everyone knows. And yes new info on the London lawyer, but really, for all we know, that’s old news.

      • First comment says:

        I wouldn’t hold my breath! The press covers everything for him and despite multiple evidence (such as many single nights out in private clubs, photos with woman in his car, separate arrivals to events with Kate) reported, they never mentioned anything more… is this the result of the jurisdiction? Who knows?

    • Snuffles says:

      Isn’t the lawyer Russian? Wasn’t William dragged into the MI6 offices last year for unspecified “reasons”? What if the lawyer was a Russian asset used to get dirt on the royal family and Tory government officials? Isn’t London nicknamed “Londongrad” because so much Russian money has been sunk into it?

      • Rapunzel says:

        I see this as plausible, Snuffles.

      • Nic919 says:

        Someone popped in here a while back saying William’s activities were a national security interest so he more than likely got caught in some sort of honey pot situation. There is definitely kompromat out there on him. So it wouldn’t be relating to Rose in that case.

      • Cait says:

        @Snuffles, there’s actually a documentary series on streaming about the Londongrad issue.

      • Rnot says:

        I’ve mused about the possibility of a Russian baby mama, maybe even tied to the intelligence agencies. It’d be hilarious if he shared a blended family with Putin. Arrogant, connected and dumb is a prefect target for a honeypot.

      • Jaded says:

        @Snuffles — This has the distinct odour of the Profumo scandal where John Profumo, Secretary of State in Harold McMillan’s Conservative government, had an affair with 19 year old model Christine Keeler. Reports then came out that Keeler may have been simultaneously involved with Captain Yevgeny Ivanov, a Soviet naval attaché, thereby creating a possible national security risk. That William’s visit to MI6 was characterized by the press as some kind of *learning* opportunity was most likely a coverup, and he may very well have been raked over the coals about this alleged affair.

    • SussexWatcher says:

      Same! And you know there have been several more since Rose. I want all the details on his rotating door of mistresses. And I need to know what is the info about William that would make our eyes bleed? Maybe Kate found out about that right before the flinch heard round the world? What was going on to make her pull away from him like that? It had to be more than just cheating because he’s been a cheater since the beginning of their relationship!

      And as someone else above mentioned, what are the media so afraid to say what they know? I know Harry said the institution has to be protected at all costs, but they want to sell papers, don’t they? Wouldn’t that sell papers?

      • Heyhey22 says:

        @sussexwatcher, something tells me it’s darker,I’ve heard on LA board, that it may have something to with previous ODs, outside kids, allegedly involved in the leaking of H’s location in Afghanistan, which may be a crime, and harassment of women(I believe M comes to mind specifically and that’s why they left imo).

    • Cimorene says:

      Who is the London lawyer?? I thought I was up on the gossip…

      • Nic919 says:

        When the rose story came out many were saying that they knew he was cheating but not with rose, but a lawyer or banker based in London.

        Also there is that mysterious blonde woman seen leaving with him from that private club and she hasn’t been identified by the tabloids, noticeably so.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nic I remember that. Someone said that he HAD cheated with Rose, but the affair was long over and now he was with someone else. I think Andrew’s Nemesis on here said that she saw him in London with a woman who he was clearly “with” and it was not Rose or Kate, but I feel like that was a few months after the Rose story broke.

        I don’t know who to give credence to on here, we’re all anonymous, but I do tend to find regular posters more believable and credible, like Hench and Andrew’s Nemesis.

      • sparrow says:

        You’re in safe hands with Nic919 and Becks1 for the banker intell! They led me to the light on the her and others. It’s bad.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Sparrow I’ve lost so much of my banker intel knowledge, lol. But there’s been apparently a banker and a lawyer and one is Russian (maybe the lawyer?)

        Its actually really interesting if you are ever bored and go back and read the Rose Hanbury coverage on this site. Because with the first story, we were like, mayyyyyybe an affair? This is so weird….and then by the third story or so we were all like YUP definitely an affair and then by fifth or sixth story we were all experts on the Toffs, on the role of the Great Lord Chamberlain, on Houghton Hall, on the aristocrats in general, LOL.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I got my undergraduate degree in Royal Shenanigan History from Wikipedia and my master degree in Modern Royal & Aristocratic Bad Behavior History from Celebitchy.

        Ladies, Please carry on so I may obtain a Ph.D.

      • EBS says:

        Have a look at the senior management team of Fauna and Flora International.

      • windyriver says:

        @EBS – I wonder about that too whenever the subject comes up. Someone here must have first mentioned it a while back, was it you? I assume we’re thinking of the same person. She’s not a lawyer, her background is in finance, so maybe the banker? And Will is the F&F patron.

    • Jan90067 says:

      I’ve always thought that there might be a DUI situation in his youth/early 20s. It was reported he drove while intoxicated back then. He was always drunk and high then (all the pub/clubs, Club “H” as well); could be he killed or seriously disabled someone and it was hushed up.

      • Snuffles says:

        @jan

        You just made me think of Henry Van Strauzenbee’s death in a car accident in 2002. He was a passenger.

      • Jaded says:

        Could very well be @Jan90067. It couldn’t have been Henry Strauzenbee’s accident though. The driver was 19-year-old Freddie Palmer, and was two-and-a-half times over the drunk driving limit. Neither of them were wearing seatbelts when the car crashed.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Re Harry’s friend who died in the car crash: his name is spelled, ‘Henry van Straubenzee.’ Harry is also close friends with another van Straubenzee brother, Tom.

  5. thatgworl says:

    I can’t wait for thin-skinned Willy’s whole world to come tumbling down. It’s what he deserves.

  6. Becks1 says:

    I go back and forth on the timeline. I remember in 2019 speculating that I thought it was possible the affair was during her pregnancy with Charlotte, and Louis was the makeup baby, and that was why she looked so happy post Louis. I still kind of hold to that theory but with a slight modification – I think the affair started in 2017, Kate found out about it around then, she thought it stopped and she got Louis as a result, and then late in her pregnancy (around the time of tights-gate) she found out that it was still ongoing and that was why she was so upset.

    But I’m still thinking back to Kate around the time of Louis’ birth, she seemed REALLY happy. Many of us commented about it on here that she seemed much happier than post George’s birth. That happiness fits not only with the birth of a child but with thinking your husband has ended his affair. So maybe she did not know before the pregnancy, found out during, got upset, but then thought it was over? Fast forward to 2019 and she finds out its still ongoing, she tries to freeze out Rose, she’s cut out of the Toffs, and then January 2020 she is forced to attend church publicly with Rose on her bday.

    Anyway, speculation aside about the timeline, we know there was a media blackout put into place and we know it was done to protect William, and we know H&M paid the price for that blackout.

    • Harper says:

      I will always think that CarolE suggested that Kate and Rose go to church together on her birthday to emulate the Queen’s acceptance of Penny. Because otherwise, it’s BONKERS. We know Kate hasn’t kissed and made up with Rose and we know CarolE is obsessed with trying to get it right to fit in with the Toffs. CarolE knew Kate made a mistake by trying to ice out Rose, so this was the band-aid. I just wonder what was in it for Rose? Why did she bother?

      • Becks1 says:

        I can actually see this. Carole knows that Kate overplayed her hand, big time, when it came to Rose. Not only was it just a big social mistake, but if its true (like some of us speculate) that Rose leaked the story to the press to intentionally put the affair rumor out there, then it really screwed things for the Cambridges. Before that many of us figured there were affairs, but having a name and face to put to the mistress is very different.

        So Carole knows that Kate is showing her class roots, so to speak, so she pushes Kate to do this church walk with Rose to show that everything is fine in Norfolk.

        I honestly think Rose doesn’t care so she shrugged and said okay. She probably got a lot more followers on IG and a lot more visitors to Houghton as a result.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I think it was QEII making it publicly known nothing to see here, move along, cheating is the norm. Also why Kate got the ribbon at the same time. Pat on the head, put up with the cheating spouse, here’s your participation ribbon. Carol(E) knows William cheats, they all agreed to the deal, but she also works hard to get out pro-Kate stories whenever William is caught. A warning to William that they’ll fight him if he tries to divorce Kate. They’ll lose.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nota that could be it too, especially since the gossip surrounded such a highly placed couple. The queen wouldn’t want that gossip swirling every time she opened Parliament with the marquess of Cholmondeley there, so maybe she ordered the church walk to shut the gossip down since it was still going on at that point. Rose and David would listen to the Queen but not to Carole or William for something like that.

    • Kiera says:

      @Becks I think your take on the time line is roughly right.

      At the end of the day it seems that he had an affair(s) and then when it seemed like it might get revealed they threw Meghan to the wolves.

      It’s very possible the affair with Rose happened and ended long before the Turnip Toff story. Then Kate for whatever reason decided to freeze Rose out.

      A few friends of mine when to St. Andrew’s and studied art history the same time as them. She may not be the brightest bulb out there but she is ruthless and as we all long suspected was very good at alienating William from other women at school. The aristo girls were another issue all together for her that she never got co trip of.

      Ps. One of them was at the 21st bday party. And sat at the table next to Kate’s and said it was so awkward and obvious what was going on at that party.

      • Becks1 says:

        Wait, what was going on at that party?? Why was it so awkward? Was it another colonials and natives theme? I get all these racist parties mixed up….

      • Pumpkin (Was Sofia) says:

        Was this the party where William spent the whole time ignoring Kate and didn’t even sit next to her but Jecca instead?

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’m guessing the one where William put Jecca in pride of place, fawned over her all night. Ignored Kate who was seated far away as an afterthought and on-call bedmate if Jecca turned him down.

    • s808 says:

      I still can’t believe she thought she’d successfully ice out Rose….I’m new to all this but from what I’ve learned, she’s not even in close to Top Dog in those circles. Did she think W would back her up?

      I’m sure there was further breakdown in the marriage and their social life after that Tatler article came out. That was a big Know Your Place statement to the Middletons.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I think the affair with Rose was long-term, starting as early as 2016. Wiliam had spent most of the Charlotte pregnancy getting away from Kate, with the fake estate classes and year of helo retraining. They moved to Anmer in summer 2015, he started pretending to work with helicopters at EAAA. Then we find out he wasn’t working at EAAA, he wasn’t working at royal duties, he was off somewhere doing what (or whom) without Kate knowing.

      2016 Kate thought things were good, she had produced the daughter he said he wanted, she was ready to Queen it Up with the Toffs. Then when she was out of the country at Pippa’s hen do, Bill snuck off to another country for his own lads holiday. And he was looking over the fence at Rose from Day One.

      IMO Louis was because William was caught partying with the ski bunnies in 2017. Kate was happy because she got what she wanted – the third child William didn’t want. And because the tabloids were attacking Meghan – with Kate’s help – and suddenly all the tabloids were pro-Kate instead of questioning her laziness.

      I think Kate didn’t know about the Rose affair until Jan/Feb 2019. The Midds went in to big Pro-Kate-the-Mummy PR, with the weird stories about Kate handling the kids alone, glam Kate swimming in pearl earrings, etc. After those ‘look Kate’s an amazing mum’ stories flopped, THEN we heard the talk of Kate trying to get Rose out of the social set. The Midds tried the preemptive PR, trying to get sympathy for Kate ahead of the Rose news getting out.

      • Nic919 says:

        I generally agree with your timeline on the rose affair but I think Kate found out sooner than that. I think the crygate incident stems from kate finding out about the affair right around the time of Harry and Meghan’s wedding and Meghan was made to cry because Kate told her Harry would end up cheating on her like William does. Which is why there is the apology letter. Meghan basically said that kate was going through some things and I don’t think she would give her that many excuses unless it was something serious like learning about an affair.

        The story didn’t come out until later because autumn 2018 was when William and Kate were working together to smear and they bonded over that. But by spring 2019, that faded and kate pressed her luck too much with the toffs and that’s when the original story came out from Rose’s camp. Which was only a tiff between friends at first.

      • Becks1 says:

        Nota – the story about Kate swimming with the pearls etc was AFTER the Rose story dropped. It was during that time frame when Kate went silent for like 6 weeks and then the queen gave her one of the orders (RVO?) for her silence.

        We’ve heard the affair lasted for 3 years and started in 2017 and I think overall that timeline makes more sense, with Kate not finding out until 2018 (cry-gate.)

        But Rose aside, I do think there was another affair in 2016. I mean there have been constant affairs.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Just looked it up. 24 Feb 2019 was the pearl earrings story, the freezing out Rose stories hit a month later at the end of March, the RVO was ‘awarded’ the end of April. As we’re written before, Meghan is ‘too nice’. I think Kate ‘going through some things’ could simply have been post-partum issues, her custom white dress not fitting, her mother on her nerves about Meghan’s popularity. I don’t think Kate would have confided affair confirmation to Meghan esp not in front of witnesses.

      • Becks1 says:

        Ah okay so that was before the Rose story broke. Maybe that was a preemptive strike from Kate and her family to establish Kate as…as what? The superior mom to Rose? Maybe she was trying to ice out Rose at that point and that story was part of it?

        I disagree about Kate actually knowing though. I think she definitely knew before 2019, and she was probably under the assumption that it had ended with her pregnancy.

        But we’re all just speculating here, we don’t really know for sure.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “But we’re all just speculating here, we don’t really know for sure.”

        I, for one, cannot wait to find out for sure!

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Lady Iris Marina Cholmondeley was born March 2016.

        Details on Rose and David:

        https://www.thelist.com/1020945/the-truth-about-rose-hanburys-marriage-to-david-cholmondeley/

      • Harper says:

        Does anyone remember those photos of Kate and Will in Poland where Kate looked like she wanted to punch William? That was in July 2017. Whatever happened that day between them must have been pretty bad as Kate was physically unable to shift into hyena mode even in front of the waiting press pack. Whenever anyone brings up Kate finding out about the affair/extra kid I think of the photos from that day and imagine that was when it all went down.

  7. equality says:

    Pretty bad when marrying Cruise would be an improvement.

  8. Amy Bee says:

    The fact is William cheated and the press found out. So in order to keep it out the of the public domain he made a deal with the tabloid editors to brief against Meghan and Harry. However, he made a miscalculation in that he thought Meghan would leave on her own and that Harry would not object to being smeared in the press.

    • SussexWatcher says:

      There has to be more to it though because not only is William a cheater, so is Chuck and so was Phillip. So…it’s not as if that behavior would be shocking to the press. There has to be something more scandalous to the story (it will make our eyes bleed to read about it, remember?).

      • Amy Bee says:

        No there hasn’t. William has made it a point to portray himself as a family man and nothing like his father. Another cheating scandal involving the heir would be detrimental to the stability of the monarchy.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Amy- I think it’s an affair, with pics proving some kinks on his part that would embarass him.

        Also, wasn’t the woman from the Flora and Fauna charity a rumored possible side piece? It will look bad if Will is cheating with people from charities he works with. I’ve also got a thought that Willyboy might stupidly cheat with employees. That’s a me too scandal waiting to happen. Wasn’t there a story of a female employee crying to Will about Meg? Maybe Will hates Meg cause some female employee he was banging stopped banging him cause Meg sent emails at 5 in the morning?

      • Becks1 says:

        I think there are two different issues here.

        I think William cheats on Kate, and I think he threw Meghan to the press wolves in exchange for the media blackout.

        I think the public finding out that William cheats on Kate would be a BIG problem, since the only thing going for him – the only thing – is that he is a family man, a hands on dad – who is not like his father.

        But I also think there is something more that we don’t know. the person who tweeted “god I can’t wait until we can tell the truth about William” or whatever was in direct response to that cover story, The Other Brother. I think that person was from the Financial Times. I don’t think that was just about William cheating on Kate.

      • SussexWatcher says:

        Amybee – I still don’t think “just” being a cheater would be enough to destabilize the monarchy, not when William was a known cheater before Kate and during their early relationship. Plus, all the men in the family before him are also known cheaters (not to mention the aristocracy more generally). I know the family man persona is his only hook, but they could easily repair his image by blaming Kate in some way. Or cutting her loose and W emerges as the newly single dad, rededicated to his kids. I’m sure they could find some sympathetic angle. There has to be more to it than just cheating IMO.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Agree, SussexWatcher. William cheating on Kate all over the place doesn’t ‘make your eyes bleed’, it is what he’s done for 20 years.

      • Nic919 says:

        I have spoken to more than one British person who do not pay much attention to the royals but if you say something about him cheating, the response tends to be “I can’t believe William would do that, not with what his father did to his mother”.

        So there is definitely a risk for William to simply be exposed as a cheater to the general public.

      • sparrow says:

        Nic919. Like you say, there is an apathy towards the RF. The fondness was for the queen. The BRF has lost its resonance here and the bigger issue is the funding. If William were exposed for an affair, it would be massive. The whole pack of cards would come tumbling down and there isn’t the national support for them to manage the crisis. People would say, “enough is enough, you’re not worth our money or residue of deference”. The gossip itself would be so massive that it would take months for the dust to settle. People would be rubbing their hands with glee at their hypocrisy. And the repeat of Diana – William couldn’t come back from that.

    • Laura D says:

      @Amy Bee – I agree about the affair. I casually mentioned to a friend about William having an affair and she was genuinely shocked. We follow these things a lot closer than the population at large and can see through the veneer.

      However, to make my “eyes bleed” it would be him having links with a far right group and they with him photographed cosying up to an extremist leader.

      Of course this could all be a load of nonsense. For the past 10 years we’ve heard about the “dossier” Murdoch would release once TQ passed. Well she’s gone and so far there’s zilch! Which means either the family are playing the game (all out attacks on Meghan) in exchange for press silence, or they have nothing and it’s more dubious headline making.

      • Rae S-L says:

        @Laura D, it wouldn’t be the first time a senior member of the BRF has copied up to far right leaders, there is Edward VIII, friendly wirlth Hitler; fiends and neighbours when living in France of Oswald Mosely, leader of the British Union of Fascists.

        It wouldn’t supeise that he has links to nasty far right elements, considering Bulliam’s history, i.e.

        1. the racist native 21st birthday party,
        2. the allegation he was dressed in a white hood and robe at that party where Harry was photographed in a Nazi uniform
        3. the ignorant and factually incorrect comment about Europe not having a war in his lifetime, but wars tend to happen in Africa
        4. Blaming African women for having too many children, thus causing an impact on the wildlife – despite the fact that Africa a continent has 4 billion people and India for example, a country of over 1 billion, which is heavily crowded
        5. Not defending Archie when racially abused
        6. When asked how he felt about Archie’s birth, his answer being, “I already have a nephew (his SIL’s son).

        All of that behaviour sceams to me he is a rabid racist. I’d say he learnt that behaviour from his great grandma who praised white supremacy rule in Apartheid South Africa.

        As a mixed race woman, there is a part of me that would be horrified if proven true and it came out, as this will encourage out and out racist behaviour here, flames which Clarkson et al has been stoking, but it with Billy Boy, it would be adding kerosene the the fire

      • Laura D says:

        @Rae S-L Thanks for understanding my point. I realised part of it looked like gibberish.

        *Tin Foil Tiara* I agree he would have learnt a lot from his great grandmother. I also think this was compounded by his mother being killed in a car whilst dating a brown man. He was a teenager, and rather than accept it was a terrible tragedy he was looking for someone to blame. Given what we now know about the family it wouldn’t surprise me if this view was actively encouraged.

      • bisynaptic says:

        Bill has been pegging the pooches (Her Majesty’s corgis), on the sly.

    • Sal says:

      There is definitely something way more scandalous . No one here has mentioned anything close to the truth . Or maybe they don’t dare

  9. girl_ninja says:

    If Jecca ever divorced do we think Willy would try and shoot his shot…again? Would he try to have Charles & Camilla 2.0 with her? Wouldn’t Jecca just pay him dust?

    • sparrow says:

      I think he adores Jecca. If something happened to both marriages, he’d try for her again. Yes.

    • Jais says:

      Why not jecca in the first place then? Did she say no?

      • sparrow says:

        I believe she said no, like many others. What right minded person would sign up to a royal marriage. Jecca has the aristocratic standing to be wealthy in her own right, with the freedom to spend her money as she wants. Royal marriage would be of no financial gain. And the press intrusion would be horrific. It’s a catch 22. As Prince William, would you want to marry any woman who actually wants to marry you? The only woman who’d actively seek the role must be mad…enter Kate Middleton!

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Isabella Amaryllis Charlotte Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe, aka Mrs. Sam Branson, also said a loud “NO” to William’s proposal or hint of a proposal.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ LOL!
        Isabella … Calthorpe, now happily married to Sam Branson, said NO to even dating William. She never allowed his interest in her to even make it to proposal territory (very similar to American heiress, Meghann Gunderman’s immediate rejection of Will’s ‘wanna date a prince?’ advances when they were at St. Andrews).

        BTW, Isabella is an older half-sister to Harry’s ex, Cressida Bonas. Their shared mother, Mary-Gaye Curzon, was a former swinging 1960s aristo debutante.

  10. Emmi says:

    Can they just stop being coy? If he’s truly done something heinous – and I’m not talking about an affair, that’s pretty quaint by royal standards – the publich should know. What is it with these people? “He’s being protected.” – “If you only knew.” Well, tell us. Or shut up. This is ridiculous. Are they all waiting for the day they can publish it? Because they must be speculating in that direction or they would just give it to American media. if they truly cared. But they don’t because they like to lord it over his head so for all I care, they can suck it.

    • SussexWatcher says:

      I agree. Especially journalists (like the Scottish guy) who don’t fall under the human rights injunction that Willy got. Just spill the beans!

      • Nic919 says:

        I don’t know of Tiffin knows more than the cheating because he has been pretty open about saying the super injunction can’t get to him.

        I think it’s the English based journos who know much more but are the cowards in keeping quiet. They need to move to the states and write that story.

    • Pumpkin (Was Sofia) says:

      I think it’s as simple as no one wants to spend the time and money (if they have it to begin with) fighting palace lawyers over a man having an affair (which like you said has been done before in his own family. William isn’t King yet so right now, so I imagine to the American press he’s just a regular rich heir with no real power yet in terms of governing a country. So it’d be like reporting a celebrity having an affair which “respectable” journalists/outlets might see themselves above as and the more gossipy outlets might not want to invest the time/money fighting the lawyers.

      • Nuks says:

        I don’t think that reporters want to leak the story, they want to GET the story. It reminds me of journalists talking about Weinstein. It was out there, people knew it, but they couldn’t “get“ it. They don’t want to gossip, they want to report it.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nuks good point. I think a lot of these RRs are waiting for the time its safe to report on this, maybe once there is hard evidence, once the super injunction is lifted, etc.

        But I can see the full story being similar to Catch and Kill by Ronan Farrow – the story at this point isn’t “just” what William is doing, but what everyone else is doing to protect him and how far people in power are willing to go to protect their own, no matter how heinous the act.

      • CourtneyB says:

        @becks1 I agree. It’s always the coverup. It’ll be a bunch of things—affairs, bad behavior, drinking. None catastrophic in and of itself though damaging. But it’ll be what followed—rages, injunctions, throwing a suicidal pregnant woman to the wolves—that’s killer. The whole picture will just look like a bunch of rot—personal and institutional.

      • Silver Birch says:

        @becks1 Wouldn’t it be great if Ronan Farrow tackled the whole royal rigamarole and did a huge exposé? This story has it all: sex, intrigue, lies, racism, misogyny, pegging, and all of it set against the tapestry of the sun finally setting on the British Empire…

    • notasugarhere says:

      There wouldn’t be a superinjunction and threats of lawsuits in the European Court of Human rights simply over an affair.

      • sparrow says:

        Hi notasugarhere. William’s legal team apparently did use elements of EU law to clamp down on the affair story. It wouldn’t have been flagged as a human rights issue over an affair, of course, but it was about W’s privacy as a right in a more nuanced form. It may even have been a provision to secure human rights in regards to associated elements potentially stirred up by the affair – meaning the affair was at the bottom of their concern pile. The legal onslaught was quick and hefty. I remember lawyers were sent to Rose to shut down her and her family’s response, as well.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @sparrow – Since the UK did a Brexit, does the riling by the European Court of Human Rights still carry any weight in this matter?

        Inquiring Minds Want to Know.

      • EBS says:

        @BTB – the ECHR is separate from the EU and we’re still in the jurisdiction of the ECHR. Occasionally our horrid government makes noises about leaving that too, but for the moment we’re still in it.

      • aftershocks says:

        The extraordinary measures that have been taken over the years to preserve and protect the British monarchy and its future heirs, proves that this thousands of years old ‘grifting enterprise’ isn’t going away quickly or easily. Sad to say. 😒

      • notasugarhere says:

        Given William has, through the years, leaked the idea that Charles shouldn’t be king because of infidelity? Then yes, William’s affairs are definitely for public consumption. Trying to change the line of succession by hiding your secrets, etc. It is no longer a private issue when you’re using your unelected position to shut down a free press either. Caroline of Monaco tried it, initially won, but eventually lost that court fight. William would lose too.

  11. dee(2) says:

    I don’t even understand why they are keeping this fiction going, even if we don’t know exact names and timelines it seems pretty well known and winked at that he has been/is unfaithful to his wife. I know that people think that it’s his ” family man” image and the only thing he has over Charles (sure as sh** isn’t a work ethic), so he clings to it, but honestly the other thing out there about him is he’s a huge racist rage monster, being a cheat is actually better in the scheme of things.

  12. Nlopez says:

    Normally I feel bad for women who get cheated on, but not Kate. The stuff she’s done to Meghan, this is karma baby!

    • Lady D says:

      Except the cheating started over 20 years ago. Imagine being cheated on for over 20 years, with no sign of it ending? Plus another 30-40 years of Kate not getting any, while he gets whatever strange he wants? Just think, this is what she signed up for.

      • sparrow says:

        The lack of sexual loyalty may suit Kate. She may be someone who just wants sex for pregnancy and nothing else, and she and W could be in an open marriage of sorts. Did she have relationships before William? In this scenario, the stinger must be the embarrassment and the speculation.

  13. Alice says:

    I’d still bet my bank account the affair was with David and not Rose.

    The Tory’s wouldn’t like their poster boy being outed as bisexual.

    • C says:

      Nah. Rose’s brother confirmed it in local pubs. And William’s always been a skirt-chaser married or no.

      • SussexWatcher says:

        Maybe a 3-way then? That wouldn’t disprove what Rose’s brother said.

      • Emily_C says:

        My theory is that Will was the Norfolk peen. Men, women, didn’t matter. I just hope it was all consenting adults.

      • C says:

        Occam’s Razor imo. They all hinted about Rose, the whole story of Kate wanting freeze her specifically out, etc.
        It’s on record and especially was during this period that Rocksavage spends most of his time in Paris, where I believe he has a male partner. Leaving plenty of time for Rose and William to have their “special suppers and walks” at Anmer that the press reported and then erased.

        Obviously she is not the only one he ever had an affair with and I wouldn’t rule out her being a procuress too. But I can’t see Will having an affair with David specifically. And I also do not think it would “make your eyes bleed” if it got out the way reporters hint. I mean, the pegging story came and went and nobody cares.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I do not see the William-Davin affair as plausible for the simple reason that I cannot see David Rocksavage interested in William one little bit. The Marquess of Cholmondeley has much higher taste than Baldemort.

      • Harper says:

        Rose’s sister Marina had a baby in 2020. One of the tabloids wrote an article and referred to the infant as the new royal baby, which I thought was odd wording.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Harper – Do you have a link to this story??? I thought Marina’s youngest child, Lady Acony Belle Lambton was born in November 2017. Did Marina and Ned Lambton (aka The Earl of Durham) have a fourth child?

      • JaneBee says:

        @Harper Thank you for sharing! This theory that the affair is between Normal Bill and Rose’s sister, Marina, is worth burrowing into further!! So much of it makes sense. Per the DM article you linked to, Marina’s husband, Lord Durham, spends half of every year in the Philippines 🤔

        On the face of it, he would seem like exactly the kind of establishment toff who would think it reflected well on him if his wife bore an ‘illegitimate’ child of the future king.

        The other takeaway – Dominic West’s wife, Catherine Fitzgerald, was previously married to Rose’s brother-in-law (i.e. Marina’s husband) and she and Dominic are both close with KC3? 😂

      • Becks1 says:

        @Harper that is SUPER weird wording. The royal connection isn’t that Marina’s sister is married to the GLC, who is obviously closely linked to the monarchy, but that the Earl’s aunt was Edward VIII’s last mistress before Wallis Simpson.

        THAT’S the connection they’re going with? Not, this baby’s cousin will have a prominent role at parliamentary openings etc, but “the earl’s aunt used to sleep with the heir to the throne 90 years ago?”

        That is super weird. This theory is……..interesting.

      • JaneBee says:

        @Harper @Becks1 Difficult to state without sounding unkind/disrespectful, however Marina Hanbury’s husband, the Earl of Durham, is 61 years old and was first diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis fifteen years ago. One common symptom of MS, particularly as it advances, is sexual dysfunction.

        As an aside – Prince Charles has previously stayed at the Earl’s Italian estate, Cetinale (there’s a VF article on its restoration) which was used as a filming location in last season of Succession. The same estate was visited by Fergie who was scoping it out as a wedding venue for Bea+Edo’s pre-COVID.

        These people all clearly familiar with one another to an insane degree.

        Marina and Rose were effectively born into the aristo set, they didn’t arrive there via their marriages. Both have far more in common with William than Khate, which presumably succeeds in pushing all of her buttons (hahaha… sorry).

        This is a really interesting theory, Harper. It could dovetail with the rumours of the Hanbury brother talking about the affair in the local Turnip Toff pub – only with regard to Marina rather than Rose…

    • SueBarbri33 says:

      I think it’s Will and the husband, too. Or maybe all three of them. I for sure am starting to think something is going on with Will and Guy Pelly. He’s more of a constant in his life than Kate at this point.

      • C says:

        Pelly worked at Mahiki and the other clubs William and Harry frequented. I have no doubt Pelly helps him with getting women and did back then too.

      • sparrow says:

        I agree. I think Pelly would be the enabler.

      • Becks1 says:

        Around the time the Rose story broke, one of the theories was that it wasn’t rose, but she was letting him use Houghton Hall. So maybe William can say something to Kate like “oh I’m off to Houghton to see Rose and David’s new art installation” or something and then the love interest is waiting there for him, male or female. That might even explain the super injunction and all that…..the press is protecting that third party. IDK.

  14. Chantal says:

    Imagine that – Will being collateral damage in Camilla’s/JC’s mess. Rose’s name will continue to be mentioned and hinted at until another mistress’ name is served up for the tabloids to devour…

    • SussexWatcher says:

      Yeah, this is what I want. A full out palace v palace war between the Wailses and Chuck/Cams. Let them destroy each other.

    • Shawna says:

      A new Rural Rivals piece would be interesting….

    • Jais says:

      Camilla’s press isn’t great right now with the Clarkson association. William who? William betraying Harry by signing his name to something he never said. What’s that? William should watch his back bc his solo attendance at a 🌹 wedding might be just the beginning.

  15. sparrow says:

    William is encased in the best legal support money can buy. He manages to tie editors and news outlets down, not only by threatening to withdraw tabloid access to royal life, but by threatening huge amounts of legal action. Didn’t he shut down the Rose story by relying on a string of EU law? He must rue the day Brexit won. It is an absolute disgrace how the BRF manages to twist the UK legal process. As I keep saying, the BRF is not irrelevant or just a bit of out dated fluff, it has power and it should be dug out of British life.

  16. DaughterOfSpencer says:

    I pity kate tbh, i dont understand how can she loves him that much. Isnt she supposedly came from a ‘healthy’ family? Very rarely I’ve heard people who came from that kind of family would pinned on a person that doesn’t treat them right. She’s the kind of consort they wished diana was.

    • sparrow says:

      Didn’t W say to K at the start of their marriage that a lot of her life would be boring; that he was going to be the main character, and not be in her shadow like his dad had been to Diana. (This was probably music to Kate’s ears, given that she hates to do or be interested in anything!) However, I wonder whether there were other deals struck, ie you’ve got what you wanted, Kate, but this is how this marriage will work – there were others before you and there will be others now. I do feel sorry for Kate. I don’t think they will divorce, but goodness it must be difficult. The embarrassment, for one thing. I always thought M&H were kind to her in the Oprah interview and Kate was absent from the Netflix series. She doesn’t deserve their pity, tho, given the Windsor walkabout.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        sparrow, that Windsor walkabout and the ensuing treatment of both Harry and Meghan during the funeral was incredibly puzzling to me. I realize that they have made H&M the “exiled” Sussexes, but why did the whole family go out of their way to show the world that it was THEIR decision to oust these two? And, that they were proud of that. It was such a negative view of the Firm and family–viewed worldwide. That will probably never make sense to me.

        Wails has gone out of her way to treat Meghan poorly–anything to mean girl and humiliate her is all on the table. I know some people want to now shift the blame to the side dish, but I think Fails and Wails, the side dish and Chuck all had a hand in what precipitated the Sussexes leaving with Fails and Wails owning a LOT of it.

        So, my question is what did Wails get out of this after this length of time that the Sussexes have been gone? Oh, I’m not talking about her clothes, jewels and future title. She showed her hand on the walkabout and subsequent behavior. If anyone should have just stayed out of that it was her (for future self protection). I do not understand these people at all.

    • Cairidh says:

      Carole’s a textbook case of narcissistic personality disorder, Kate’s a textbook golden child of a narcissistic mother. There is no way Kate had a happy childhood, or that the middletons were or are a happy family behind closed doors.

      • dholmas says:

        You never know what goes behind closed doors.

      • Sms says:

        It’s seems more than a little misogynistic to always label the women. In any case no one really knows what any of them are like and I am sure that they are all humans with a mix of good, bad and annoying. I feel sorry for all of them for having to live in a toxic environment where they are constantly scrutinized and judged by the press and public.

  17. aquarius64 says:

    Tin foil tiara: it’s not William has had affairs; William is the PRODUCT of an affair. Diana knew about Chuck and Cam before the wedding but got on with it. However in the marriage Diana found comfort elsewhere and William came nine months later. This would disrupt the succession; for if William is not of royal blood, neither is George, Charlotte and Loius aren’t either. The throne would go to Harry, a prince of the blood with Meghan, a biracial queen Consort and Archie the future king is 1/4 African American. That would send the UK into a tailspin. It explains tanking the Sussexes in the UK so people wouldn’t want them as king and queen ( and Harry couldn’t fight for his birthright, especially if he didn’t know) . This would be juicy kompromat for Russia because it could be used to damage the Special Relationship with

    • lahbib says:

      Except William ha been hit with those very prominent Windsor genes though. That man is Windsor through and through no matter how superficially he favored Diana looks wise when he was younger it doesnt hold now: Charles genes won through in the end.

    • Becks1 says:

      This is a very interesting and juicy theory but I just don’t think Diana would have had an affair immediately after they wed, and William looks too much like a Windsor to deny that he’s Charles’ son.

      But those facts aside, LOL, it actually weirdly fits with everything. Even the stories about Harry being James Hewitt’s son make sense if William is the one with the unknown paternity and someone was using Hewitt as a distraction. It fits with why Harry was such a threat to William but also William needs Harry as king, it fits with why Meghan was such a threat to W&K, etc.

      But like I said, I don’t think its true.

  18. QuiteContrary says:

    I just think it’s weird that Kate’s dress was so similar to Rose’s at the event pictured above. And Kate looks more polished than the much prettier Rose.

    As part of her revenge, did Kate demand to see Rose’s outfit ahead of time so she could choose a sleeker version? (I’m kidding … kind of, because nothing would surprise me.) Kate looks downright smug in that photo, while William and Rose look uncomfortable.

    • SomeChick says:

      Kate’s dress is spangly Jenny Packham. Rose is wearing embroidered Valentino. Rose has the better dress. the “unpolished’ look is very much an aristo thing. being too polished comes off as tryhard, while the true aristos lounge about on their ratty old furniture and threadbare antique rugs. they don’t have to impress anyone, dahling, they are impressive in their own right!

      those photos are the gift that’s been giving for years now. my favorite is the one where Kate is saying something to Rose, William looks quite uncomfortable, and David is looking up at the sky like, how soon can I get back to Paris after all this?! what I can’t decide is what Kate is thinking. does she think the Rose affair is done and dusted, and she’s secure as queen bee? or does she have no idea? she seems confident and relaxed. William seems nervous. idk! but I’m inclined to think she was unaware of what was going on at that point. and the other three knew.

    • AmelieOriginal says:

      William looks like a Windsor, he’s Charles’s kid. He looks a lot like his uncle Edward. There’s no way any other man but Charles is William’s father. Unless Diana had an affair with another male member of the Windsors, but William is definitely a Windsor.

    • sparrow says:

      Hi QuiteContrary. I’ve always thought that smirky smile on Kate’s face was because she knew about the affair. It’s a look of triumph, as though she’s delighted to have worked it all out and have them right where she wants them. The amount of blackmail she could work on William must be extraordinary.

  19. Twinkle says:

    What does it say about Kate that she stays in a marriage with a cheating husband?

    • sparrow says:

      Various. That she only wanted to get where she’s got and she doesn’t care what is going on around her. That she may be happy not to have sex with him. Probably she is clueless how to live an independent life should the marriage end. And always I question whether one party is staying for the sake of the kids, rightly or wrongly. Your question was rhetorical, but it started me thinking, Twinkle!

      • Twinkle says:

        She may even have her own side piece. They were probably each other’s first, and having been together for over 20 years, the sex must be very stale. I suspect the reason that Will broke up with Kate in the early aughts if because he realized that if continued with Kate then he would have only have known one woman, and he wanted to see what else is out there. Just my conjecture.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She stays because she’s never loved him but coveted his royal position. He cheated with her, he’s cheated on her for 20 years. She knows the deal and accepts it. the only time he gets in trouble – with Ma Midds – is when the cheating goes public.

        No, they’d both had many before each other. William with many in the set, Kate with many in the Set as well as the ones she hooked up with when ‘cabin crew’ on the yacht catering to wealthy men. And many after each other and during the multiple breakups. Kate prominently sleeping with William’s friends while they’re broken up and trying to make him jealous. She was even tested out by a few of his friends before she became his secret sidepiece at Uni.

        Nothing the Midds have on William would compete with what the Windsors and UK govt have on Uncle Gary, Ma Midds and her off-shore accounts, any of it. They could try, but Billy Boy would win over any of their attempts to blackmail him.

  20. aquarius64 says:

    Tin foil tiara: it’s not William has had affairs, William is the result of an affair. Diana knew about Chuck and Cam before the wedding but got on with it. However in the marriage Diana found comfort elsewhere and William is the PRODUCT. That is juicy kompromat because the succession is at risk; for if William is not of royal blood neither are George, Charlotte and Louis. The throne would go to Harry; and having a biracial queen Consort and a future king who is 1/4 African American is a bridge too far.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      aquarius64, see the responses to your same post #16 above. I don’t believe anyone would be able to deny the Windsor genes in Fails.

      I don’t know whether you meant it this way, but this particular inquiry seems to be another way to smear Diana. Diana turned 20 on July 1 and married on July 29 iirc. We remember that she was a shy barely 20-year-old when she married Chuck. Now, you’re suggesting that she was a femme fatale.

    • Jaded says:

      No. As others have posted, she was barely out of her teens, naïve and desperately in love with Charles. She honestly thought they would have a good marriage and that Cams would somehow disappear once they married. The big cracks in their marriage happened after Harry was born and it was only then that she began having her own affairs.

  21. Serenity says:

    Am I the only one who thinks that the affair was with Rose’s husband? Look closely at the photo of Willy Wonky’s face. Looks to me like his glance is aimed at the man next to Rose…her husband, right? I think Rose is the scapegoat in order to protect those two. 🤷 Having an affair with a woman is better than the FK caught f@*king dudes. Boy, that would totally destroy his carefully-crafted family man image which he thinks we’re all buying but in reality is fooling almost no one.

    Just my $.02 worth.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Serenity – On many sites where this topic has been discussed (and it has been discussed in-depth all over the internet and social media) a large percentage of the commentariat do believe that affair was between Baldy & Rocksavage not Baldy & Rose.

  22. Saucy&Sassy says:

    If we’re going with tinfoil tiara theories, here’s my fairytale.

    Rose is the scapegoat here along with her hubby. What if Rose (possibly with her permission) was thrown to the wolves to cover up something entirely different? No, I don’t know what that is, but it could be any number of things. Just a thought!

    PLEASE NOTE: My tiara is my own and made with my own two hands. No theft of any materials were involved.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I told all those old nasty gossips that they did not know what they were talking about when they accused you of stealing tinfoil from the sandwich shop outside the Parthenon.

  23. sparrow says:

    Hi BayTampaBay. I tried to reply under your post. I hope you find me here. Your question about whether EU law would still hold. The deal that was done then must stand now, is my assumption. I’ll have to ask one of the family legal eagles, but they’re nose to the grindstone with casework in the lead up to Christmas. I do remember an article at the time about how heavy handed his lawyers had been, and the irony of how they had managed to use EU human rights law. (The assumption being that W’s family would be a barrage of Farage lovers of course.) The other thing that was strange was, like I mentioned above, how quickly Rose’s family were weaponised with lawyers, at the request (demand) of W. I think they were his lawyers. I expected her and/or her husband to defend themselves, but they were apparently shut down quickly. I seem to recall this included her parents. I’ve always thought this was incredibly unfair. They’ve had to limp on for years with the rumours flying about. She perhaps wanted to fight back and say the press had got it wrong, for her kids’ sake if nothing else. They were basically shut up. Then again, she could have had an affair, and the legal clamp down was welcome. I always thought her husband’s silence was either complete betrayal/uninterest or complete loyalty.

  24. Loki says:

    Can anyone point me towards any fairly recent pics online of Lady Iris Cholmondeley? I can’t seen to find any.

  25. Well Wisher says:

    The affair was the symptom, instead of addressing the problem, they victimized an innocent party, as she embraced her new role, that became a threat.

    She was disposable to them, instead of the farcial marriage.

    Yet this inhumane treatment is far less than Clarkson’s, to be used as a diversion

    The irony.

  26. Lovely Lady says:

    I’m a pisces and I tend to view things from the other angle.

    I truly believe that the late Queen was involved. Judging from what Harry said about William screaming with his grandmother looking on and not a word is uttered, this might be a shot at how William’s anger is his biggest problem. If he has done something to the Queen then that would be the end of him. That would be a piece of crucial information.

    Most of the members in the family have affairs. They lived through Prince Andrew scandal, but anything pertaining to his
    grandmother would not be tolerated.

  27. sparrow says:

    I’ve always wondered about Rose’s husband. Did he know? Did he care? Did he want to fight back and publicly announce that the stories were false? (This might have been hard for him, because my memory is that W advised/demanded Rose’s family say nothing and get lawyers. The article I read a long time ago seemed to indicate that W wanting lawyers for Rose was for his sake and his alone. What a charmer.)

    • Nic919 says:

      David Rocksavage is strongly rumoured to have a male lover in Paris and so it is very likely that he and Rose had an arrangement from the outset so that he could have the needed heirs.

      It’s likely why Kate would have felt more threatened by this affair than others because Rose was of a better social standing and she had an open marriage with Rocksavage so he wouldn’t try to stop William and his supper visits to Houghton Hall.

  28. Bread and Circuses says:

    The Clarkson story makes the queen consort look bad.

    Therefore, to save her, under the bus goes William.

    How do you like it now, Willy?

  29. Boo says:

    I have a hunch that, although there were affairs, they weren’t with Rose.
    The fact that Pippa named her daughter Rose is a clue – to me.
    But yes, Rose has become the catch-all.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Or one of his many affairs was with Rose, but Pippa doesn’t care. Or she glories in her sister’s unhappy marriage. Rose is a society name, Pips liked it, and she doesn’t mind stabbing the knife in her sister’s back and twisting. Those two sisters have always been competitors not friends.