‘It’s inevitable’ that Australia dumps the monarchy & becomes a republic

Granted, Australians openly discussed dumping the monarchy during QEII’s reign. The idea was, at the time, that once QEII passed away, Australia would make some big moves to become a republic. In the first six months of King Charles’s reign, the Australian republican movement is… moving slowly but steadily. It feels like public opinion in Oz is slowly turning against the monarchy, and King Charles isn’t going to appear on some of Australia’s money. Now the new “high commissioner” from Australia – meaning, he’s the equivalent of Australia’s ambassador to Great Britain – is telling the British media that it’s “inevitable” that Australia will become a republic. Smith is still confident that Australia will use Charles as their head of state though?

Australia becoming a republic and scrapping the monarchy is “inevitable” even though Australians are proud to have the King as their head of state, the country’s new high commissioner has said. In his first interview since moving to London, Stephen Smith said most British people would be “indifferent” to Australia getting rid of the monarchy and said it would not damage the countries’ relationship. Smith, 67, insisted Australians were “absolutely” proud to have the King as their head of state. Anthony Albanese, the prime minister, has confirmed that he will attend the coronation on May 6.

“There is a lot of affection and respect for the monarchy in Australia,” Smith said. “That affection and respect hasn’t gone away because of Australia contemplating from time to time what it should do about its constitutional arrangements.”

Nevertheless, Smith, an avowed republican, said it was only a matter of time before the monarchy was abolished. “My personal view is it’s inevitable. But how that’s progressed is entirely a matter for the Australian government of the day,” he said.

Anthony Albanese, who has long voiced his opposition to the monarchy, choked back tears this month when announcing the terms of a referendum to be held this year that could create a representative body of indigenous people in Australia, something that Smith said was a priority in Canberra. The vote could pave the way for further plebiscites on other constitutional matters.

“Australia does not have referendums on an all too regular basis,” Smith said. “Whether down the track there is a future referendum associated with Australia and the UK’s constitutional arrangements, only time will tell.” Smith was previously foreign secretary and defence secretary under the Labor governments from 2007 to 2013.

[From The Times]

Wait, is he saying that it’s “inevitable” that Australia will dump the British monarchy, or that it’s “inevitable” that the monarchy will be abolished entirely? Honestly, I don’t envy Australian politicians trying to untangle all of this, same for Jamaica and all of the countries which have the British monarch as their head of state. It must be such an ass ache to have to rewrite or amend parts of their constitutions and bureaucratically extricate themselves from the ties to the monarchy. In Australia’s case, I think they’ve finally got the man for the job in Anthony Albanese – he’s not a fire-breathing anti-monarchist, he seems like such a mild-mannered man who is simply saying to his people “we don’t need the monarchy, we should absolutely make the effort to dump these people.”

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  1. Lady D says:

    Come on, Canada. End this farce.

    • Coldbloodedjellydonut says:

      Oh, I’ve got all my fingers and toes crossed. I wish we’d peaced out with qe2’s death.

    • EasternViolet says:

      Right?

      I absolutely don’t want to see his ugly mug on our currency.

    • MadFab says:

      I’m a small-r republican in Canada, but we won’t be rid of the monarchy until such time as we either honour and re-affirm the treaties with Indigenous Peoples or the monarchy falls. All of those treaties—every one—is with the Crown. And each Nation would need to be consulted to rewrite the agreements. A great many of them aren’t even interested in having the conversation about removing the monarchy until we’ve dealt with other pressing issues (clean drinking water, land codes, treaties, the Indian Act, etc.).

      • Lady D says:

        And today we learn that Ottawa is dragging their feet on a First Nations Police Force, and refuse to give a date.

      • Soapboxpudding says:

        MadFab is 100 correct on this. If we want reconciliation and to do better than our ancestors did, we can’t forget about First Nations and their treaties with the Crown when we discuss ditching the Monarchy.

      • NJGR says:

        @madfab – thanks for explaining this. I hadn’t previously understood the part about the treaties.

      • kirk says:

        Do Indigenous Peoples treaties with “the Crown” really give them that much in the way of protection, equal access to benefits, etc? Really?

      • MadFab says:

        @Kirk: It’s not even a matter of what protections and benefits are in the numbered treaties as written; it’s the fact that they haven’t been honoured by the Crown as represented by the Canadian government. Why would any First Nation negotiate a new treaty with Canada when Canada hasn’t lived up to the terms of the current treaties?

      • KrystinaJ says:

        First Nations person here:
        @MadFab is correct. Especially with their last comment.

    • TheFarmer'sWife says:

      Can you imagine the size of the proverbial “can of worms” attempting to remove the royals would open? I mean, we need to find a case lot sale! Canada is an immense landmass with few people living on stolen land and having many language and border issues! I’m not sure we would exist as a country if any attempt were made. TBH, we just don’t have enough cash money to make it work.

    • tanja says:

      Sigh we can’t and there’s some decent write-ups on why out there. Basically get rid of monarchy= revising constitution= every province (ok fine Quebec and Alberta) use opportunity to lobby for specific needs = chaos wasted money + futile efforts

    • Scout says:

      Oh, the Windsor-Shands will absolutely fight for Canada.

    • Cara says:

      According to this article, you can leave but you have to kiss the king’s butt the entire time you are doing it!!

  2. HeyKay says:

    Oz, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canada all of them should be free.
    It all should have ended with QE passing.
    Completely out of date.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      Yes!! It’s the 21st century and Chuckles is holding on for dear life to not lose any more territories as he is being dumped as we speak. I am so happy for those from the place of Oz to properly dump this farce. And why would Australia be happy to keep KC3 as head of state???? Is this to simply soften the blow beforehand?? Aussies don’t need OR want KC3, come on Smith, just strip it all now!

      Now we just need Canada, Scotland, Ireland and the Caribbean Islands as well!! They are simply used for the purpose of filling the coffers and stripping these lands of natural resources.

      • Lady D says:

        I mentioned this before, that Canada recently had 30 brown bears shot to provide fur for the hats British Beefeater guards wear. I’m so pissed.

    • Christine says:

      I’m agog that “proud” is being used to describe how Australians feel about Chuck being their head of state. Are there seriously people in Australia that are PROUD that the British monarch is their head of state? I can’t wrap my mind around it, I would believe “resigned” or “ambivalent” (even though the ambivalence drives me bonkers), but not proud, and if there are, please go find a hobby.

      From the bottom of my heart, it makes absolutely no sense to me that the monarch of the country that used the entire continent of Australia as the dumping ground for people who they found undesirable for one reason or another would be regarded as anything other than some guy who is not remotely relevant to Australia. It truly boggles my mind. Same goes for every other country that isn’t England, and I don’t even get it when it comes to England.

      • Pantaloons says:

        Hi Christine,
        Using the word Proud is certainly an …interesting choice. I would say for the most part, older Australians do hold some respect for the monarchy while the rest of would be more than happy to tell those tax leeches where to go.

        I’m personally all for republicanism but we need to find a find or create a model that will work for the country. Not certain if someone like Albo is up for that job but we’ll see.

      • Kaaaaaz says:

        Aussie here, and I couldn’t name one person “proud “ to have KC as head of state.

  3. Oh my. Chuckles waited soooo long for his crown and now his kingdom is dwindling down. What’s a poor clown I mean king to do?

  4. tamra says:

    Even his right eyebrow is trying to leave! LOL

    • BothSidesNow says:

      It’s certainly trying to take flight!! Pretty soon if he doesn’t trim those eyebrows they might simply take off and leave him behind!!! It’s such a hostile environment for them anyway.

    • Sandra says:

      I came here to comment on his brows also…why doesn’t his barber/ stylist take care of those hairy Caterpillars? Ridiculous! ( sorry for thread jacking )

    • NotSoSocialB says:

      Wonky brow, for sure, but can we talk about how shabbily tailored his pinstripe suit is?

    • TIFFANY says:

      He officially looks like Phillip.

  5. Holz says:

    For Canada, it would require an agreement between the House of Commons, the Senate and all 10 provinces. I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Also, the treaties, primarily signed in the 1700s, were made between Indigenous peoples and the Crown, not Canada.

    • Emily_C says:

      So re-do the treaties. And plenty of things are difficult, plenty of things take a long time. But they happen anyway, so long as people make a start and keep working at it.

      • Christine says:

        Yeah, this. It doesn’t make any sense.

      • BeanieBean says:

        That’s it, that’s what I always think. Every article on Canada dumping the monarchy & we get a commenter, but the treaties! Re-do them, work on it, start now, get ready, something, but it’s not impossible! And as MadFab stated above, existing treaties frequently haven’t been honored (nor have those in the US), so maybe it’s a perfect opportunity to re-work them & write in some ways to strengthen them.

      • MadFab says:

        Hoo. So, redoing the treaties would be exceedingly difficult. First of all, the treaties themselves are anchored in the Royal Proclamation of 1763 (King George III), which states that all treaties must be negotiated in public through the Crown, and that continues to be the law of the land. Nor can one party unilaterally withdraw from the treaties as written. The treaties are enshrined in our Constitution, and again would require approval from the Crown to enter into renegotiation. The Crown (ie the Monarchy) will naturally be reluctant to open up the Constitution for an amendment that allows the government to renegotiate the terms of the numbered and modern treaties in order to rid ourselves of the monarchy.

        And secondly, the current treaties have not been honoured. Why would the current treaty Nations agree to negotiate with a partner that has not operated in good faith? And why would they do so when there are significantly greater issues to be addressed (housing, water, education, healthcare, economic and social equity, etc.)?

      • MadFab says:

        And, to go back to Holz’s point, the treaties are with the Crown, not Canada. So Canada can’t redo the treaties; the only ones who can do so are the signatories — the Indigenous Nations and the reigning monarch. To unilaterally withdraw from treaties is generally an act of war.

        We would have to rewrite our entire Constitution and legal framework to even start that process before we ever got to the point of having the discussion around becoming a republic.

      • Christine says:

        What happens if Canada and the Tribes decide it’s none of England’s business?

        This is a sincere question, I am completely confused that a monarch in a country that is not on the same continent is keeping indigenous tribes and local government paralyzed.

        So what if it is hard? Isn’t England still crowing about an Empire, because they bulldozed every single continent on Earth?

      • MadFab says:

        Just a note that the proper terminology is Nations or Indigenous groups, not tribes. And that’s particularly important because we are talking about treaties that are typically created between sovereign nations. And that’s a key consideration when we’re talking about signatories to those treaties and the desire to renegotiate the terms.

        You cannot unilaterally withdraw from a treaty. Do do so is an act of aggression, typically signalling a war or a shifting of alliances.

        Secondly, there are 70 historic treaties and 26 modern treaties in what we now call Canada, and almost all of them have multiple Nation signatories. For example, Treaty 6 in Alberta includes 17 First Nations. All 17 would have to agree that they want to renegotiate. It would take years and years and years to get to the point of consensus. And only when good faith has been demonstrated by the potential partners (Canada rather than the Crown). And given what that relationship has looked like over the last 150 years, that’s highly unlikely. But even if you did, now you have to have the same process with every other treaty nation.

        Imagine the resources required to do so.

        And you would have to have something better in place ready to implement. Indigenous Peoples have been abused and marginalized and subjected to centuries of broken promises. They aren’t going to accept vague ideas of what potential benefits. There needs to be assurance of what’s on the other side. And again, what’s on the other side is going to require enormous resources.

        We have 634 First Nations communities in what we now call Canada, many of which are in the process of negotiating land codes in order to shrug off the mantle of the Indian Act, and that’s going to take decades (and resources). We can’t even discuss treaties while that legislation exists, and the government cannot unilaterally rescind it.

        You would also have numerous resource-based organizations fighting against opening up the treaties for negotiation. While the government hasn’t honoured them, the treaties provide security for companies that are operating in treaty territory because there is already an existing agreement to share the resources (or steal them, as has been the case historically).

        Most of the Indigenous communities across what we call Canada also lack the capacity to take on a project like this. They don’t have the time, they don’t have the people, and they don’t have the money. And, as I’ve said before, they have much more pressing priorities.

        If you truly believe that where there’s a will there’s a way, then your first step is to pressure the government and other bodies to enact all 94 Calls to Action from the Truth & Reconciliation Commission. Pressure the government to follow the calls for justice from the Murdered & Missing Indigenous Women & Girls inquiry. Start being actively involved in Land Back movements. Tell the government to HONOUR THE TREATIES. Until the treaties are honoured and we have demonstrated that we are trustworthy partners, this is not going to happen.

  6. Franklin B says:

    Aussie here… The big issue, I believe, with changing from a member of the Commonwealth, to becoming a republic, is the fact that we need a referendum to do it… And referendums cost $$$ Money we don’t have to spare at the moment. I certainly hope it will happen, sooner rather than later, but I must be patient for now

  7. Helen says:

    As an Australian, I would say ambivalence is my main emotion.

    But frankly, considering we are currently in a horrendous housing crisis, climate change, economic instability, I just feel politically there are bigger fish to fry right now than this. Wouldn’t want a referendum wasting energy, money and time on this when they should be focusing on other issues.