Can you believe it’s been four years since the “rural rival” story broke? It’s true. Throughout March and April of 2019, shady little stories began popping up in the Sun and Daily Mail about the then-Duchess of Cambridge’s falling out with her Norfolk neighbor Rose Hanbury aka the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. Over the years, I’ve put together a working theory on how all of it happened: Prince William and Rose (allegedly) had a torrid affair, likely in 2017 and 2018. The affair was an open secret in Norfolk society and those toffs just shrugged. Then Kate found out about the affair and tried to push her “rural rival” out of the Turnip Toffs, and Rose said: no, bitch, that’s not the way it works. The original leaks came from Rose and the Toffs laughing about the affair and Kate’s cluelessness when it came to navigating aristo dramas.
In any case, Rose won – she’s still the queen bee of the Turnip Toffs, she still operates one of the best estates in Norfolk and she’s still welcome in royal circles. Kate and William both had to go to events with the Rocksavages, from state dinners to the opening of Parliament to Sandringham church walks. What’s even funnier is that King Charles is making a point of including Rose and her husband even more – Charles appointed David as his Lord-in-Waiting, and Rose and David’s son Oliver will be one of the king’s pages at the coronation. All of which means, Rose is going to the coronation. From The Daily Beast’s shady exclusive:
Rose Hanbury, the neighbor of the Prince and Princess of Wales who was the subject of baseless rumors that she had an affair with Prince William, will attend the coronation, The Daily Beast understands. Rose will likely attend not only because she is the spouse of David Cholmondeley (pronounced Chumley), 7th Marquess of Cholmondeley, who has been named as King Charles’ Lord-in-Waiting, but also because her son, Oliver, has been named as one of the king’s pages, tasked with holding the robes of the king, alongside Prince George.
A friend of the family told The Daily Beast: “There has never been any enmity between Kate and Rose. The rumors were all a load of rubbish. The family are ancient allies of the Crown and they will be there.”
Concurring with this view, another friend of the king and queen told The Daily Beast it would be “unimaginable” that David wouldn’t be at the coronation with his wife.
However, Buckingham Palace is not confirming individual RSVPs and did not respond to an email seeking confirmation of Rose’s attendance. An email on the matter to the estate address listed on the Houghton Hall website also went unreturned.
A Marquess (and his wife, a Marchioness) holds the fourth most senior rank in the British nobility (behind King/Queen, Prince/Princess, and Duke/Duchess). The Cholmondeleys are particularly notable, however, as they are hereditary co-holders of the office of Lord Great Chamberlain. The role—which involves welcoming the monarch to the Houses of Parliament and dressing them for state events—alternates between the Cholmondeleys and the Carrington family with each change of reign.
This meant that David was Lord Great Chamberlain until the death of Elizabeth. However instead of being cast aside by the royals on Elizabeth’s death, he was named Lord-in-Waiting by the king, meaning he will be present at all important state and royal occasions and can even stand in for the king at diplomatic events. He is only 62, and is likely to still be alive when Charles dies and the role of Lord Great Chamberlain reverts to his family. He is therefore likely to be William’s Lord Great Chamberlain when William accedes to the throne.
LMAO, David will be William’s Lord Great Chamberlain. Good luck with all of that. The Royalist also did a little background on the whole “rural rival” story and he name-checks Giles Coren, who was one of the society writers in the UK saying yes, there was an affair between Rose and William. Interestingly, Giles Coren’s name popped up recently in that sugary piece about Tom Parker Bowles, Queen Camilla’s son, and how Tom is the “firm’s new secret weapon.” Tom and Giles are close friends. Meaning… there are all kinds of connections and if you told me that Camilla had been pulling on some strings, I would believe you.
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Will cheated on Kate during the dating years. Why would it be a surprise about rose and Kate. Will is coated on Teflon by his fans in the media. I doubt rose and Kate get along.
Kate wants to be queen and will need to look the other way. Though she and will have those fights at home.
Willi has had lovers all his life and still has them. He cheats all the time. I think Kate doesn’t agree at all and is at home tearing her hair out with anger, but she’ll put up with it so one day she can be queen. Poor girl…
“Baseless rumors” my 🫏.
@ Brassy Rebel, agreed!! Baseless in what level of delusion of reality upon??
And shouldn’t the Daily Beast publish a disclaimer that their attempts of covering up PrinceofPegging lies and many, many dalliances is detrimental to your devices as you will most likely spew their morning hot beverages all about????
William cheated on his girlfriend for months, having sex with Kate in the background because his public girlfriend wanted to wait for marriage. He has always cheated, Kate knows it, it is part of the deal.
The only time Kate and the Midds protest is when the cheating goes public. Letting paps take pictures of PGTips on the first Mustique holiday when William was hunting with Jecca. Kate getting unwanted child #3 out of William after the dad dancing on ski holiday. Kate getting a move to Windsor (near mummy) after she was blow out of Norfolk society by the Rose affair.
At nota well for anyone. Can someone ,perfere english, explain how the future queen of england gets ran out of anywhere, especially “turnip toffs”. Is it simply “embarassement” or did she get iced out. I have been laughing about this for about 3 years, but now i want to understand it.
@Maryth – Kate got iced out. Kate tried to phase-out or excommunicate Rose from their exclusive social circle know as the “turnip toffs”. The “turnip toffs” had to choose a side and they chose Rose. They (the Turnip Toffs, Sarah Vine, The Daily Fail & Tatler) closed ranks around Rose for her social protection.
The “turnip toffs” are a group of titled peers and very-very wealth landed gentry that make their home base in Norfolk, England rather than London or the Cotswolds.
@Maryth, it’s both. I think it is a matter of Kate’s embarrassment at having been iced out. While not an expert, I believe the situation comes down to two things: first, the perceived classes of the two women involved. Rose, while not an aristocrat, is aristo-adjacent, in that she descends from the aristocracy. Kate does not, she has decidedly working and middle-class origins. This alone is enough to cause some in aristocratic circles to side with Rose and not Kate.
However, I think another factor comes into it: Kate is not that well liked. I think if Kate had a great personality, was hard-working and well-respected by members in the aristocratic class they would have come down on her side but she is not and she does not appear to have made much of an effort to become friendly with William’s circle, outside of a few members. This is understandable because she was made fun of, as well as their parents, by William’s friends prior to their marriage. But, while understandable, it means that Kate is not going to have the support of the aristocracy if it comes down to her against one of their own.
@Mary – Your synoposis is much better than mine. You brought in many points I did not think about. The prime point or factor being; “Kate is not that well liked”.
She signed up for this. Waity and her mum chased Willy across the UK to make her the last most eligible bachelorette standing. Waity was commoner-born, so her mum had to be tactical in their pursuit of the Royal jewels and inserting Waity into the all-white royal family, along with all the extramarital affairs, work-shy rights, and privileges thereto. In this essay I will…
William is as unfaithful as his grandfather, PP. I am convinced that he is cheating on Kate with more than one woman … I would dare to guess that he has had affairs with many women from their social circle. Sometimes I even get the impression that he and Sophie have something going on between them …
At janice. She touched Charles and he recoiled. I don’t know if sophie is flirting and him and william want no part of it. Or if something happened. They give her no leeway. Very heavy handed.
It seems like the aristocracy is just full of people having affairs with each other and no one (in their sad circles) gives a crap. I mean Charles used to call Cam’s house and speak to her husband.
These people are not normal and no morals.
And I’m pretty sure Kate knew the deal during her “10 year audition.”
How do you get the pronunciation Chumley from Cholmondeley?
In some languages and accents, the focus is on making things easier to say. Less muscle work for your mouth if the harder letters just get absorbed and short elements in a word get erase entirely. It’s like rocks in a river wearing over time.
If I’m recalling incidents in my British tv watching clearly enough, with some British accent, you can kind of hear the ghost of the lost sounds in a certain fullness and length in the “um” part of the word.
And don’t forget to pronounce it “Dewk” intead of the crass American way, “Dook.” (As an Amerincan “Dewk” sounds ridiculous, I cannot imagine John Wayne being called “the dewk”)
OMG yes! Or even “djewk.”
Phonetic spelling of Kate’s pronunciation of it, probably.
lol I’ve wondered about that too and actually out loud tried to say it. I think you must need your mouth and nose stuffed with hankies. Or gahden peas.
The rather grand name, Featherstonehaugh, is pronounced “Fanshaw”!
It’s a way to catch out the plebs – there are several instances of this, like Featherstonehaugh (Fanshawe). I can still remember the disdain & sneers when as a child I pronounced Belvoir as it’s spelled rather than ‘Beaver’ as the aristos say it – it forever marked me as irredeemably middle class.
God bless the British class system.
#NotMyKing
#NotMyMonarchy
No no no, it’s spelt ‘Raymond Luxury Yacht’ but it’s pronounced ‘Throatwobbler Mangrove’.
My aristo classmates avoided me like the plague cause im WOC, therefore no spelling test needed to determine whether I was one of them LOL. Here’s to all us irredeemable middle class and plebs.
@totorochan
Not the throat warbler mangrove! 😂🤣😂🤣
God those skits were amazing. I remember remaking them as a kid / early teen with my cousins and none of us being able to get through a single take without just dying out laughing.
Also, Magdalen College, pronounced “maudlin.”
Wait what. That’s how you pronounce it?
There is a Fanshawe College in London Ontario and I had no idea it was the peasant spelling of a hoity English name.
Happens a lot, carries outside the UK too (based on historic UK pronunciation?)
Duke of Gloucester => Duke of gloster
Worcester => wuster
You likely don’t say War-Chess-ter sauce, do you? You say ‘wuster’. You don’t say Glou-Chess-ter Massachusetts, you say ‘gloster’
@Nota in my area we say “wor-chester-shire sauce” LOL.
Really? To each their own. LOL
Well, to be perfectly accurate, they’re pronounce “wustah” and “glawstah.”
But they do say Man-Chess-ter .
Gotta love merry ole England!
Hell, we’ve never known how to pronounce Worcestershire sauce at our house.
Of course, my 21 year old son also laughs at my pronunciation of the word Sriracha.
It could be a me problem…..
I seriously paused while reading and wasted a good 2 minutes trying to figure/sound it out so glad I’m not the only one wondering
My personal theory: British pronunciations and nicknames often start to make more sense if you try to imagine how someone profoundly drunk would say the word.
You’re absolutely right. For examples, see Rowley Birkin QC – I’m sure there are vids on Youtube.
Edit: Hahahaha – yup, there he is. He encapsulates the British aristocracy perfectly 😀
That’s wild! That’s what I concluded when I went to college in New England. Lol. I thought that they sounded drunk and they thought that I sounded irredeemably Southern.
Same way you get donut out of doughnut. Another one is Marylebone (Station), pronounced Marybun.
Don’t get the doughnut one as they’re both pronounced doughnut. & it’s Mar-le-bone or Marrylebone – people would understand both & wouldn’t quibble at either.
Americans I think aren’t fond of too many letters, hence the fewer silent letters. I know Brits and all I’ve heard is Marybun. The L isn’t pronounced at all that I’ve heard.
@kelleybelle – What you say about Americans disliking too many letters is certainly true! There have been a number of movements throughout American history, going back to the 18th century, advocating the streamlining of the English language. Somewhat surprisingly, given their posturing as linguistic gatekeepers, many British scholars agreed with these proposals in theory, but their motivation was often very colonialist: It’d be easier to teach to the heathen savages of the Empire, thus aiding in civilizing them and easing the “white man’s burden”.
English is a young language, the pronunciations were not locked down before the printing press was invented.
So English is spelled like it was pronounced in the 1450s. Like was pronounced li-kah. Knight- ka-nig-huh-tuh.
With names, you see complicated names being “nicknamed” all the time. There are probably peons with the name Chumley, like Tess Durbyfield being formerly a D’Urberville. The Cholmondeley clan just knew how their name was spelled and stuck with it as the pronunciation changed over the centuries.
While discussing this topic many years ago my dad said that if Niagara Falls was in Britain , it would be pronounced Niffles. I think he was right 🤣
All of this to try and hide the fact that english IS NOTHING but gutter french and german. I will simply tell anyone that i pronunce whole words.
Wasn’t it the late great Terry Pratchett who said
“English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar”
At talia. I laughed out loud but its true. My family is african-american and native american. We speak VERY formally compared to our surroundings. Our schools didnt have real workbooks until the late 90s. Every class learned based on the novels you read. So you will encounter a million different styles in one circular.
I was writting with someone from a commonwealth country and they called me stupid for using commas.
I haven’t been able to suss out a reason why Rose would leak it herself, but now I see that it could be taking Kate’s ammunition away from her. If Kate was like, “If you don’t back off and go away, I’ll tell everyone about the affair,” then Rose would be like, “I’ll leak it myself and show you that you don’t have anything over me.”
If they’re afraid Charles will stumble, then the pages are *really* needed. But y’all have child labor laws, people…!
I think Rose leaked it as revenge on Kate. Rose doesn’t care. If anything, it probably increased her IG following and increased visitors to Houghton Hall. but it was embarrassing for Kate and infuriating for William (as we saw from his reaction.)
It worked–I started following her IG account after that!
I followed her since then too and think she is fabulous style wise. I don’t think she’ll be exchanging Houghton Hall for a palace prison.
I was inclined to believe that Rose leaked the rural royal story herself until the connection between Giles Coren and Tom Parker Bowles was made clear. I think Camilla is behind this story now. It’s the kind of thing that is coded but obvious enough to those in the know. It was William getting Richard Kay to respond with that whacked out article that made an affair more obvious to everyone.
Coren had some fun making it obvious on Twitter along with others, which also wasn’t a coincidence. And it was the first substantial story linking William to having an affair and with an alleged friend of Kate. Camilla did this to blacken William’s family man image and to this day, it has never fully gone away and resides in whispers.
Camilla is from the horsey set and knows how it works. If there was embarrassment for Kate then that is a bonus for Camilla.
@Nic my theory is that rose made the initial leak, the one just about the rural rivals, that might not have gone anywhere without Richard Kay’s bizarre response.
I think Giles Coren was given the okay from TPB to nudge it along a little bit. and I don’t think Rose had an issue with it. Or I think it was leaked from Camilla from the get-go but was put out there with Rose’s “okay.”
Giles Coren is drunk and indiscreet enough that I can believe that TPB told him about the affair knowing he would spread it around, but I’m sure Giles wasn’t in on any leaking plan. He would never have been able to keep that part quiet.
Camilla, TPB, nephew are not responsible for Rose’s drunk brother talking openly about the affair repeatedly in local pubs.
Kate tried to put Rose “in her place” and Rose just rolled her eyes and said to Wiggington. “let me show you how it is properly done” and leaked the story.
Like Kaiser, I have always thought, from the very beginning, that Rose leaked the story. The publicity has definitely helped Rose & David in all their endeavours.
Yes, BayTampaBay, both the breaking story from a few years ago and this one here is all about it’s Rose who won.
Rose is a member of one of the oldest and grandest aristocratic families in England, which has a role of historic importance to the royal family. Kate was never going to win a battle here. She’s dispensable – she knows it and, more importantly, William knows it. So she’ll put up with it.
Rose’s grandmother, Lady Elizabeth Lambert, and QEII were childhood playments.
Rose’s grandmother, Lady Elizabeth Lambert, was a bridesmaid at QEII’s wedding in 1947.
Wiggington of Wails was NEVER going to win any type of battle (social or otherwise) against Rose Hanbury Rocksavage Cholmondeley, THE Marchioness of Cholmondeley.
Wiggington of Wails – I’m dead!
@Shawna – Please put off your death until after the Con-A-Nation. We need your comments!
Honestly, it is freaking awful how Kate isn’t accepted because she is a “commoner.” The whole British class system is bullshit. It seems like no one in the aristocracy has any common decency, manners, or even a clue.
As much as Kate is annoying, Rose Hanbury Chubbly is absolutely no better. She seems like a Camilla Parker-Bowles in training.
Camilla is putting Kkkate in her place.
I think they’re all sleeping together—William+Rose, Charles+David, Camilla+David, David+Rose, but no one is sleeping with Kate.
hah! there is not enough libido in that white crusty dusty bunch to go around for that amount of swinging to happen.
Sounds like Snowdon and Margaret and their lifestyle.
Yep, Charles is into men (like his oldest son..). There are photos of him making out with another man
I’ve never heard anything about charles being bisexual but I have heard it about Prince Andrew.
I think if Charles was, Diana would have told everyone, and would have named men she suspected he’d had affairs with after his marriage, even if there was no evidence he had.
Google Charles and Michael Fawcett and then buckle up. There have been numerous rumors, media interviews and police reports about Charles and his male lovers. It’s old news and, really, who cares. I suppose this is how it goes in aristo circles, which K may not have truly, fully grasped until the Rocksavage affairs. Now she’s been shuttled to Adelaide. I think Cams is hellbent on getting K out of the picture so she can have a “real aristocratic” family to rule over.
I typed “prince charles michael fawcett lovers” into the google machine and whoa nelly!
Im with at cairidh. No way does diana, andrew, fergie, sophia, prince micheal of kent, and especially his wife keep this a secret. Plus, charles would be proud of being different and give clues. No one would keep that a secret.
LMAOOOO I’m sorry, it reminds me of the Frasier ski lodge episode where they were all sneaking around and at the end he says “All the lust coursing through this lodge tonight, all the hormones virtually ricocheting off the walls, and no one… was chasing me?”
Yes! 😂😂😂
@Thatsnotokay, If I was drinking coffee it would’ve come out my nose…
“No one is sleeping with Kate” is the BRF version of “None for Gretchen Weiners!”
Is this really news? Wasn’t it said that her senior husband involved in this coronation with the role given to him by Chuck. Did we expect her NOT to attend as well? These dummies.
Its not really news (I would have expected her to attend anyway, even without her husband’s new role, given their status in society, the fact that either David or their oldest will be GLC to William, etc) which is why its amazing that this is a story.
It’s like when Tatler wrote a story about….I think the Trump state dinner. and there were pointed mentions to Rose’s attendance, in a “oh what a surprise (not) that rose is here!” Like of course rose would be there so why mention it? It’s a dig at W&K,.
wow camilla is turning out to be the real life wicked stepmother. and if the affair is true, kate has to suck it up and play nice bc anything otherwise would mean this is confirmed. so i think she complained but ultimately didn’t really try to push rose out. and now she just grins and bears it when she’s around.
Carole is probably telling Kate to look the other way. Kate needs to be queen coaches Carole
How is it that she can smile at Rose but not Meghan? This always astonishes me. It’s not that hard to make nice in public.
Kate and Rose have the relationship Camilla wanted with Diane.
Even Diana didn’t out Charles and Camilla until she had to – when she wanted a divorce and had to make enough fuss to be granted one. All aristos know the score, whatever their feelings in private.
I find it strange that Kate didn’t know / wasn’t told the score before marriage – I think the affair was leaked by Clarence House to give C&C something to hold over W&K, who at the time were campaigning for Charles to be skipped and not crowned.
I don’t think there’s much mystery to it all: she’s the next door aristo model, he’s bored, country house bed hopping happens, resentful wifey gets a medal and a cottage in Windsor. All’s well that ends well.
It’s a bit boring as scandals go, isn’t it?
Of course Kate knew the cheating deal. She slept her way through William’s friend to get approved as a royal sidepiece. Wm cheated on his girlfriend with Kate for months before he broke up with the girlfriend. Kate was installed as his ‘sex waiting’ in the apartment at Uni long before he was actually dating her. He’s always cheated, she’s always accepted it. She only protests when the cheating becomes public/obvious and impacts her ego and image.
“It’s a bit boring as scandals go, isn’t it?”
I find it much more interesting to post about than the ridiculous Royal real estate fight over Royal Lodge! LOL! LOL!
Of course there’s no enmity from Kate to Rose. Kate already tried that and you see how it worked out for her. Should she have any doubts, all she has to do is see what happened to Diana, who also objected to her husband’s extramarital affairs, and what has become of Camilla, the mistress. Kate is utterly powerless in the situation and it’s exactly what she deserves.
Diana eventually wanted out. Kate will cling on to the marriage and stay if or until will finds someone else. Diana objected to Camilla running her marriage. I think she would have tolerated Charles having one night stands. Charles other mistresses like janet jenkins did not have ambitions.Rose i think is satisfied staying in her marriage.
There was a piece in the DMail yesterday that was very critical towards Khate’s red nail polish? Was that Camilla? Or Kate being like “see they criticize me too!”?
Diana later befriended dale tryon.
Diana did not want a divorce, since the acrimony of her parents had a negative effect on her family.
She still loved Charles to a certain extent, all the more 💔 for her.
Diana definitely loved Charles.
They want rose to save the monarchy
She is everything that Kate is not. It may work….?
Camilla has paved the way ………
Is Rose really all that? Seems like a sad life to me.
I’m just baffled that anybody wants to sleep with Will
Seriously!
@Susanne – I keep making the exact same point: Why would anyone want to sleep with Horse Teeth the Bald?
As someone formerly in the entertainment world, this makes for good television. It’s kind of clever because if the Sussex family doesn’t show up, and there’s a notable lack of drama and headlines from them, there *might* be people who tune in to see the vibe between Rose and Kate or William and the Mr. The closer they sit them in the Abbey, the more likely I’ll think this was a way to get viewers to an otherwise boring snoozefest.
Thats my thought. They keep throwing rose, camilla kids real father is charles-when its not possible-, camilla family, to see if they can drum up interest. I dont think charles is doing this. I think its camilla press kids. Working on behalf of mom.
Of course there isn’t, because I believe Willy is sleeping with her husband David and Rose is just the cover up.
Yes and Rose understands what these aristo marriages are about: partnership. She provides him with an heir and she gets a beautiful estate to manage. Their insta reflects that. She warmly features David a lot. At the very least they seem to be good friends who enjoy each other’s company.
I think it is unlikely David is gay, he may be bisexual. If he was gay, he would have married much younger in an arranged lavender marriage. He could have pulled someone much ‘higher’ than Rose for that arrangement, a woman who had her own title for instance.
Rose and David dated for three years before getting married. They had an oopsie pregnancy, got married, and are happy with their relationship. If they both cheat on the side, neither of them cares the gender of the other party.
He’s at least 20 years her senior, and most articles make a point to say his friends thought he was a confirmed bachelor (code for gay). He co owns a house in Paris, and has for years, with a gay man and spends a lot of time there. Sounds exactly like a companionship marriage that furthers the aristocratic line to me. I don’t know what name he puts on his sexuality, but it’s pretty clearly not completely straight.
Arranged lavendar marriage is a perfect description of Rose. Much younger, already pregnant and close to giving birth when they wed. Seals the deal and an heir to boot. They each filled their share of the bargain, and can be the leaders of the Turnip Toffs while doing their own thing.
Marina Hanbury is also married to a much older man, she’s his third wife, and no one claims he’s gay or bisexual.
I co-own a holiday home with a friend, we holiday together sometimes, we’re both women, neither of us is bisexual or lesbian. So yes, it is a possibility David is bisexual or gay but not a given. IMO if a lavender marriage was all he wanted as cover, it would have happened when he was 30 not 50.
Wow they’re saying out loud what they couldn’t even address before.
Kate’s got to re-learn her place.
I think *something* happened. Whether it was an affair or whether it was over something else entirely, enough people were rattled and scrambling to cover what could have been dealt as “petty aristo gossip”. But it wasn’t dealt like that so again, I definitely think something happened.
Will be interesting to see if these two react at all. Kate struggles to keep a good poker face so if there’s still issues between them, it will most likely be seen.
I will never *not* be amused by the words “torrid affair” when used with Wills. He seems like the exact opposite of torrid.
Turbid (thick, foul) works better
I saw royalists being upset about this piece. Whatever. Given the closeness of the two families it’s not a surprise that Rose and her husband would be going to the coronation.
Am I the only one who thinks Rose and David planned this affair, had Will stray so they could get more power?
Even if they didn’t plan it per se it apparently gives a couple leverage in aristo circles. David was probably more than fine with it
I find David way more attractive than Rose.
And I cannot say Rocksavage or Chumley with a straight face.
Same. I think Rose is rather plain. She just has way more style than Kate.
Way more style & is way more interesting.
Love the white dress Rose is wearing in the first picture of her with Sarah Vine.
Very chic.
I find both of them quite plain. At least Rose has the bloom of youth and a sense of style. David looks drawn and dissipated and waxen in those heavy ceremonial robes.
It was really naive to go after Rose like that, I wonder who’s dumb idea that was.
Clan Middleton.
💯💯💯
“However, Buckingham Palace is not confirming individual RSVPs and did not respond to an email seeking confirmation of Rose’s attendance. An email on the matter to the estate address listed on the Houghton Hall website also went unreturned.”
They’re careful to not confirm Rose’s attendance but they’re briefing about the Sussexes’ attendance. 🤔
I don’t feel sorry for Kate in this situation given how she has treated Meghan. Monarchs and heirs apparent have always had mistresses for centuries. Bringing them out in official events is not proof an affair is not going on. Kate wants to be queen? This is the price of admission. At this point Willy can have a woman from every aristocratic family on a rotation and Kate will be expected to look the other way. Any “Fitzes” that may come out of it Kate will have to sit back and see her own childrens’ inheritances get chipped away to take care of them. Kate will also have to watch her perceived rival Meghan living in a home she co-owns with a royal husband that loves her; a husband who chose her and their son over the institution. Kate will never get that type of love as long as she chooses to stay where she is.
I’m so glad Harry is out of ALL and everything yall say. Because eventually, all will be revealed.
Question: I thought I read that Anne wasn’t so enamored of the. Admiral after a while, and wanted out. I wonder what she thinks about all this shifting and titling, especially since Andrew Parker Bowles is now unofficially part of “the family.”
Like Rose & David, Anne & Tim have an agreement they are very happy with. The Laurence marriage is secure and not going anywhere no matter how much Andrew Parker Bowles “pops in” because he just happened to be in the neighborhood.
The Admiral was one of a string of casual affairs Anne had after her marriage broke down.
Fairly incendiary letters between him and Anne were stolen and published by a tabloid and the palace PR turned him into the love of Anne’s life that she turned to as her wicked husband cheated on her and got another woman pregnant to save her reputation. After ignoring Mark Phillips’ affairs and young daughter with another woman for years, the press suddenly published extensive details.
Tim Lawrence was enough of a gentleman to go along with it and he and Anne at least seem to like each other.
Tim filled in for Anne once not too long ago and was very charming and self deprecating. As a military man who knows duty, the monarchy should use HIM as its ‘secret weapon’. (Their favorite phrase) He’s with Anne at many events anyway. Much more personable than most of the lot they’ve got right now. (He’s obviously fine being a supportive spouse in the background though)
Yep, I’m actually interested in him! Reasonably attractive to a number of age ranges and presentable to boot.
I find Admiral Timothy Laurence very attractive.
Bqm. I thought he was her bodyguard for a long time. I can only assume jealous and anne doesn’t want to be upstaged by her husband is why tim is sidelined. He is like a mannequin. Wonder if he is smart.
so Rose = Camilla
it’s all so very ick
It feels like Will + Charles/Camilla + Kate are all on separate sides of a war against each other, and they’re trying desperately to drag the Sussexes back to fight but H&M are like “no thanks, we’re just living in beautiful California doing California things.”
This war between Will + Charles (which is a lot of Camilla) is SUCH a bad idea because Charles won’t be on the throne nearly as long as his mum, and he’s not thinking about how to strengthen the next king, or strengthen the monarchy in general. It’s all attacking Will, humiliating Kate, and trying to destroy them as much as possible so Chuck/Cam look better. Rather than Chuck/Cam just ACTING BETTER, making THEMSELVES look ACTUALLY good, and building a foundation for the next generation.
This family is soooo messed up. Will is gonna accede after years of abuse/humiliation and he’ll just be even more evil and bitter and controlled by the right-wing. The sequel to this episode where Will’s in charge and a complete mess is gonna be…something.
As another famous royal once said “après moi, le déluge.”
That is because QE2 knew that Chuck would mess it all up. He doesn’t commend the same respect and love she did from the people (which is very important) and Chuck only cares about himself – which clouds his thinking and makes things worse.
Cam is one ruthless B and in this case I am supportive of it. The fact that this article exists at all and Andrew in another article refusing to move out of the RL tells me that K&W over played their hand. Cam want them to sush it and smile big for the Coronation and stop making it about them and this was that very threat. “do it or well … you know I can make you inherit a disaster before you become king”
We speak about harry and megan but i could see w and k dropping out.
If william didnt go camilla would look AWFUL. If kate didnt go people wpild talk. Playing camillas game. I would be livid.
William may “drop out” but Wiggington of Wails will not leave until she has been removed from this Earth or is coronated and sitting on that throne.
Just heard that Harry will be at the Coronation without Meghan. Cue Middleton, if she gets the chance, all over him for the sickening Press “Kate welcomes Harry back into the Royal fold” PR shots….hope I’m wrong.
Where’s the part where Giles Coren said he made the whole affair thing up?
Maybe he did make it up … I guess we’ll never know. However, we all saw William shamelessly flirting with Sophie at the Commonwealth Day reception. If this is how he behaves in front of the cameras, imagine how he treats younger women in private.
Giles Coren did not make the whole affair thing up. Giles Coren later said he “made it up” so he could exit stage left before the whole mess blew up into the media mess it became. Giles Coren was trying to protect someone and my money is betting on the someone being Tom Parker-Bowles.
Dan Wootton and Richard Kay basically spelled out the affair before Coren tweeted anything.
I find it interesting that no one is talking about who is coming. There is an assumption that european royals will be there, but I haven’t seen that stated and confirmed. I wonder if part of the problem with planning this fiasco is that BP is not getting the RSVPs they expected. Not that they’ll decline altogether, but that they send someone else to attend.
I’ll not know what the reactions will be between Wails and Rose because I won’t be watching. I’ve not heard one word from anyone I know about the Clowning. This simply isn’t a thing. Harry will go, but just for the Clowning. I’m hoping he declines anything aside sitting and watching. He can slip in a side door.
The Emperor & Empress of Japan are not coming. They are sending the Crown Prince & Crown Princess of Japan in their place.
The King of Sweden is attending with his daughter Crown Princess Victoria instead of his wife.
Attending:
King and queen of Spain
King of Sweden and crown princess
Crown prince and princess of Norway
Crown prince and princess of Denmark
Grand Duke and duchess of Luxembourg
Crown prince and princess of Japan
Prince and princess of Monaco
Assorted members of the greek royal family. Marie Chantal is already hawking kid’s coronation stuff.
“Marie Chantal is already hawking kid’s coronation stuff”
I would do exactly the same! LOL!
I don’t think it is funny. I think Rose is scum. I can’t stand cheaters. William is scum too. All the Toffs can go away. I can’t stand these snotty old families. Zero respect.
I agree. We can dislike Kate and still think what Will and this woman who was supposed to be her friend put her through was wrong.
I like to think had William been a better person maybe Kate wouldn’t have become so miserable. I don’t excuse her treatment of Meghan, but with an empathetic eye, I can understand that hurt people, hurt people.
Rose and Kate were never ever “friends” as most people define “friends”.
Kate was not forced to behave the awful way she did to Meghan. It’s all on her.
Found out on here that Rose has IG and I went to follow – and I DO NOT follow celeb/influencer accounts. Thanks guys 🤣
Rose’s IG is pretty awesome if one is into historic houses and great estates of England.
I read somewhere that Monaco isn’t coming, I saw a few articles on it in my news feed.
Has anyone heard anything about that?
I’m interested to see her fashion. I’m betting she will be the best dressed. And I only plan to check here, I’m not watching the coronation or checking the dm.
Also, I really, really dislike how keen uses William when she is insecure about another woman. She did it with both Rose and Meghan that we know of. Petty B.
Quite Contrary, Will has “torpid” affairs, methinks.
“There has never been any enmity between Kate and Rose. The rumors were all a load of rubbish. The family are ancient allies of the Crown and they will be there.”
K, but this doesn’t actually dispel the rumours of an enmity between Kate and Rose though. It just says that the family are ancient allies of the Crown, and they will be there for official functions. They can do that even if Kate and Rose don’t get along.
At any rate. Remember how Kate behaved towards Meghan, both when greeting mourners after the Queen’s passing, and during the CW church ceremony just after H&M left? Remember in Spare, how Kate clenched the arms of the chair she was sitting in until her knuckles turned white, bc Meghan was trying to be nice to the old b, and Kate decided to take offense? Remember how Kate lied for two years about Meghan making her cry, when it was really Kate who made Meghan cry? And those are all just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how Kate treated Meghan. There’s probably stuff that’s far worse, that’s never been talked about by anyone.
Now, imagine how Kate might have treated Rose, her husband’s mistress. If her behaviour towards Meghan was anything to go by, I’ll bet that Kate was a HUGE ahole to Rose. But she far overplayed her hand in dealing with the whole thing, and forgot that when push comes to shove, the toffs close ranks and stick together. And Kate, no matter how much of a pliant little doormat she fashions herself into, and no matter how much of her self-respect she puts up for sale, in a desperate attempt to gain acceptance from this crowd, will never, ever be anything more than a middle-class girl whose parents worked a trade to earn a living, in the eyes of the Turnip Toffs. She could become Queen Consort of the UK herself, but that fact will never change as far as the toffs are concerned.