Royalist: The next time Prince William will speak to Harry will be their father’s funeral

In the first excerpts of Omid Scobie’s Endgame, Scobie writes that multiple sources within Prince William’s camp have told him for years that William despises Harry, that William still believes Harry and Meghan “blindsided the family” with the Sussexit (which is a lie) and that William often bitches and whines about the Sussexes “oh so California” self-importance. In addition to all of that, Scobie’s sources say that wannabe mental-health advocate William believes Harry has been “brainwashed by an army of therapists.” All of this reporting on William’s “perspective” rang true to me because sources truly have been saying similar things for years now. Whenever Harry and Meghan do anything, “sources close to William” furiously stomp their feet and, with an incandescent rage, tell everyone far and wide that William loathes his brother for going to therapy, living in America, having a hot wife and making his own money. The Daily Beast’s Tom Sykes has reported that perspective for years now. And wouldn’t you know, Sykes has an update:

William’s friends confirm everything Scobie reports is accurate: Friends of Prince William were quick to confirm the accuracy of Scobie’s insights to The Daily Beast. “He absolutely f–king hates him,” one old friend of William’s said, succinctly, when asked about the status of his relationship with Harry. The why is no mystery to William’s circle and can be simply summed up by one word: betrayal. “Harry sold his family out to the media for millions of dollars, and William can’t forgive that breach of trust,” the friend said.

But Charles is genuine in his attempts to reconcile: A friend of the king told The Daily Beast that there was nothing cynical about Charles’ wish to build bridges with his son, and that he would be “delighted” about the renewal of contact with Harry. But the friend also said they doubted William would be minded to follow his father’s example, saying: “Charles has kept the door open to Harry. He has been very explicit about that, saying he loves him. That’s what parents do. William doesn’t have the same forgiving attitude. That dynamic is not unique in family arguments.”

William will only see Harry at their father’s funeral: A second friend of William’s, who used also to be friendly with Harry but has not had contact with him since Harry left the country, told The Daily Beast that there was “zero prospect” of a rapprochement between the two, and that they believed the next time they would meet would be at a family funeral. “There are some relatives whose deaths would bring Harry and William together under one roof but other than that, realistically it’s probably Charles’ funeral. And if things stay as they are, which is basically mutual loathing, you would have to say William would be unlikely to invite Harry to his coronation.”

Why William is still so incandescent: Asked for the specific reasons why William has developed a “loathing” of the brother he was once so close to, this friend also cited “betrayal.” They said: “I think it’s exactly because the bond was so deep that the betrayal has been so wounding. They were the only people who actually knew what each other had been through. How would you feel if your best friend decided to reveal all your personal secrets to the newspapers? Well, multiply that by a thousand. Harry is never going to apologize, at least not while he is married to Meghan, and William is never going to apologize either. So that’s that.” Asked if Scobie’s book was likely to worsen relations, the friend said: “No, but only because you can’t get lower than absolute zero.”

[From The Daily Beast]

At some point, hopefully soon, larger questions will be asked of both Charles and William and what their attitudes about Harry say about their leadership and family. William was incandescent with rage long before Harry “sold his family out to the media for millions of dollars.” In fact, the whole “incandescent with rage” story came from a report in January 2020, when Harry and Meghan were simply trying to exit the institution. This is the root of William’s violent rage towards Harry – William can’t control Harry, can’t boss him around, can’t bully him. William has been seething with contempt for Harry because… Harry left. Harry decided his wife and son were more important to him than service to an abusive family (and even then, he offered to continue to serve part-time). Of course, William’s violent abuse of Harry predates the Sussexit, but that also was about control and about… Meghan.

As for “William will see Harry at their father’s funeral” – it’s chilling. William is a f–ing psycho, but I’ve known that for a while. Ten bucks says that William will actually throw a tantrum about not wanting to invite Harry to their father’s funeral.

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  1. Danbury says:

    “Ten bucks says that William will actually throw a tantrum about not wanting to invite Harry to their father’s funeral.” … And he will likely get his way because at that point he will be the King of England.

    • equality says:

      Yeah. That’s what I think. PW will bar him from the funeral. Hopefully, by that point PH will no longer care. It’s not like you have to attend some big, formal, televised shindig to mourn someone anyway.

    • ELX says:

      PWT is sounds like like a malignant narcissist. Everything is me, me, me. Abusive, violent people are dangerous and should be treated as such. H & M shouldn’t go anywhere near that country, that awful bunch or their government henchmen.

      • Christine says:


        it’s clear what is going to happen if George, Charlotte, or Louis steps out of their very defined boxes when they are older. Your father will despise you.


    • s808 says:

      Yes, I’d be very shocked if he were allowed to be there. It’d be a terrible look for him to be absent but W doesn’t care about optics,. Hopefully he and Charles make their peace before….

    • Lau says:

      Also if Charles dies before Camilla you can be sure that Harry will not be allowed to come to that funeral. They’ll play the victims until the very end.

    • Ace says:

      Yeah, probably. I guess if the UK government at the time has a lick of sense they might try to convince the tantrum king that Harry needs to be there if only for the optics.

    • MoxyLady007 says:

      For the love of god.

      The Charles wants reconciliation spin has got to stop being supported in any area that supports the Sussexes.

      Look at Charles’s actions instead of his carefully crafted pr campaign to look like a sad disappointed father who would welcome the prodigal son home at any moment.

      Harry showed him love and grace in both the Oprah interview and his book.

      Charles’s RR have exploited Harry’s vulnerability to create this imaginary possibility that Charles doesn’t want to grind Harry to bits beneath his heel.

      Harry isn’t in a place yet to see his father for who he is and for what he has done. He tends to think of him as broken or abused and so acting out of his trauma or somehow excuse his behavior. Maybe just because he doesn’t want a larger target on his back and knows his father could at any time have Harry meet with an accident.

      But they are using Harry’s love for his father to create an image of Charles as magnanimous and ready to welcome home his prodigal son that does not exist anywhere in reality.

      Charles should get no more quarter from the Sussex squad. The only place the man has said he wants to reconcile is to the tabloids and not to his own flipping son. That’s the reality. Stop with the sad grandpa and father bit. Charles is a malignant narcissist. They don’t work that way. Your experiences and emotions as a parent or grandparent in no way can be placed onto Charles. He’s not that kind of human.

      • Jais says:

        To me, it comes down to 3 main things.
        1. Charles dropped Harry’s security and money during a pandemic despite an agreement to do so for a year as they tried to set up a new life.
        2.Charles’ man Edward Young is a part of RAVEC and part of denying Harry’s security while in the uk.
        3. Charles evicted the sussex family from frogmore
        Those actions don’t feel very loving. Charles did once ask “whatever love is” and I don’t think he has ever figured it out.

      • roooth says:

        Exactly. Charles has shown us all what he is willing to do when he genuinely wants to have a real relationship with someone – because we all watched what he did to have Cowmilla in his life.

        If he had EVER wanted a relationship with his son, he would have made it happen.

        But he didn’t, did he?

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Agree @Jais. Charles is not a loving father. At all. Charles allowed unspeakable things happen to the Sussexes for the sake of his own ego. William too. They collectively allowed/created the abuse on Meghan in particular. F#ck both of them. Love wins. Jealousy does not.

      • TheVolvesSeidr says:

        We don’t really know what Harry feels or thinks or knows about his father, today, right now. Once people start to heal, they tend to continue to heal. It is an evolving way of being. No one knows Harry’s heart but Harry. And no, I’m not adding Meghan to that because they are individuals, and they are deserve to be acknowledged that way too.

    • Kingston says:

      Hmmmmm….not so fast, @Danbury.

      I think, more than they hv managed to do with Charles (which was more than they had managed to do with betty) that the MACHIAVELLIANS who manage the monarchy (the Bee & the Wasp in particular) as Harry specifically told us in Spare, had over the yrs, positioned themselves in such a way that they behaved as if THEY were the monarch.

      It is my firmly held belief that hvng been there to see bully parker bowels grow from a snot-nosed tot, the MACHIAVELLIAN men-in-grey hv very little regard for him and WILL indeed lord it over bully and he’ll be the one carrying out THEIR edicts.

      Those of us who hv been paying att’n know that bully & those closest to the throne, as well as all the rotaRats, know that bully has a few screws missing and the plan was for H to do all the wk when bully becomes king, for which bully wd take all the credit.

      It’s why all uk royalists/monarchists, inside & outside the UK, are so disproportionately & apoplectically mad at M for putting a spoke in their wheel.

      • 1960tlm says:

        That make a lot of sense, but if they really wanted Harry to stay, they would not have made things so difficult for Meghan. If they truly wanted to keep up this charade, with Harry being the work horse
        why not be nice to her? Meghan loves Harry, she would have done anything for him, she doesn’t mind working, she would have continued working for free, she knows how to follow protocol and rules. Instead they tortured her until she wanted to unalive herself, tried to harm Archie in South Africa and later Harry had to bury their unborn child. These people are beyond evil and we really don’t know how much Harry & Meghan really had to endure. I agree with you that the Wasp & Bee are running the show, but Charles & William are running some things too. They did everything thing they could to get rid of Meghan, and we really don’t know how they were treating the Queen either. She had to sneak to see her own grandchild and his family, and when they found out, the very next day she was moved to Balmoral. The Queen wasn’t allowed to contact Harry which is why he was so worried about her. And the British Media made it seem as if Harry was at fault and caused the Queen’s demise. So is everything to be blamed on the Wasp & Bee? I don’t think so. You are right Willam has quite a few screws loose, he’s a narcissist of the worst kind, Charles is too. The thing that most people don’t understand about narcissism is that people that have this condition are so very different from you and me “Google says, narcissism personality qualities include, thinking very highly of oneself, needing admiration, believing others are inferior, and lacking empathy for others.” These all sound just like William & Charles. Narcissist’s also project their behavior onto someone else which is why the Meghan is a narcissist has come into play so very often.
        Charles and William don’t feel sorry for anything they’ve ever done to Harry, they’ve been especially cruel to him, and they blame him for their own bad behavior. This is what I think upset Meghan the most. Not only were they cruel to her an outsider, but they were cruel to Harry. I hope that Harry stays away, for the sake of his family and for his own happiness.

      • Geegee says:

        Charles and William are absolutely 💯 narcissist. Malignant narcissist with way too much power, and the extreme elder abuse the queen suffered at the end of her life is never mentioned by the media. They controlled whi could see her and moved her around. They got her to rubber stamp camilla when we know she did not want that women as queen. Then they gave her covid. It is never mentioned.

      • Caribbean says:

        I keep hearing that Meghan would work for free. No, she would have had to use her own money to fund herself and Harry and when they were both broke, they would have been exiled to Africa and would be so damaged by the RF and the British Media, they could not recover.
        After been silent and silence for 3 years, they were willing to tell their story and lucky for H & M, others were willing to PAY to hear it.

      • Christine says:

        Well said, Caribbean.

    • Robert Phillips says:

      Will he be the King of England. Don’t forget Harry’s lawsuits against the tabloids. When the tabloids lose because William and Charles can’t still control Harry what do you think will happen. All Williams dirty little secrets will start spilling out. And somewhere in all of that. There is a rumor about a girl who knew William that ended up dead on a royal property. I wonder about that.

    • Lorelei says:

      MTE. I don’t think William will allow Harry to attend his own father’s funeral.

      The PROJECTION in these comments is insane. Trumpian. *William* was the one giving stories to the tabloids about Harry for years before Harry said anything to the public.

    • Scout says:

      The titles will go when William is king.

      And then the real fur will fly.

      ALL of the secrets will come out….along with photos, etc….as H/M have absolutely nothing to lose at that point.

    • PrincessK says:

      Charles definitely has already laid out very detailed plans for how his funeral will be conducted and who will be invited and the level of involvement and Harry will be there.

  2. smegmoria says:

    More needs to be made of the fact that William was a fan of Suits. He probably felt some kind of ownership over her because of his being a fan when Harry wasn’t.

    • Rapunzel says:

      My mom hardly knows any royal gossip, but as soon as I said, “Will and Kate were apparently Suits fans,” she was immediately all, “oh, that explains it!”

    • Kristen from MA says:

      Yes! If he thinks he has ownership of an entire continent – Africa – why wouldn’t he own an American TV show?

    • MrsH says:

      I’d rather someone bring to light exactly what is wrong with William. It is clearly more than a behavioral/emotional problem.

      Serious question: if Charles and William pass away when George is a minor then who becomes Regent? Is it Camilla or Kate? Or would it be Harry?

      • Blithe says:

        I’ve always thought that it would be Harry — which is why I’ve wondered why Charles, at least, didn’t have the foresight to treat Harry and Meghan with at least minimal decency until George was officially an adult. I’m genuinely not sure, though, if there’s a decision-making process in addition to simply looking at the next adult in line for the throne, but if there’s choice involved, I think Anne would be the best pick given the available options. I think the monarchy is already on shaky footing. Andrew as Regent, ably assisted by Dowager Queen Camilla and Princess Kate (not sure what her title would be) seems like a plan for a very quick slide into a Republic.

        I’ll check back to see if anyone who really knows this stuff also responds to your question @MrsH.

      • BQM says:

        @mrs h and @blithe Under the Regency Act of 1937 it would be Harry as the next adult in the LOS. (This is verified by the University College of London.) He would have to move back to England though. Otherwise Andrew would become Regent. If he stepped down because…ew, it would be Beatrice.

      • Blithe says:

        Thanks for this information @ BQM.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Honestly, that reveal was lowkey one of the biggest bombshells of Spare for me. It explained so much about his AND Kate’s attitudes towards Meghan in those early post-wedding months.

  3. Amee says:

    I read Spare and there is nothing to suggest that Harry and William were that close to begin with. This kind of separation between siblings is really not that unusual. They have different interests, goals, journeys.

    • K8erade says:

      Except for William’s strange obsession over “owning” Harry which I think deluded William into thinking they were “close.”

      • KFG says:

        The betrayal is truly bc the 🥚 is a lazy, jealous, ignoramus who feels entitled to ride Harry’s coattails. 🥚 thought Harry would stick around so he and bones could do f-k all. Will is mad bc he is now having to do something without Harry handling all of the real work. He’s also jealous bc he had to settle for his stalker, couldn’t divorce her without Harry and Meghan as his cover, and how dare Harry be free! That’s his problem. He should have been reigned in as a child, but bc chuck is a punk, 🥚 has been in an extended adolescence.

      • Christine says:

        I agree. Willnot is delusional, and what he is really angry about is Harry exposed his utter lack of any sort of work ethic. Kitty too, Meghan and Harry leaving shines a gigantic light on how worthless the heir and his wife actually are.

        I’m willing to bet he is actively seeking a workhorse for wife #2, and good luck with that. Any self respecting woman will see right through him.

    • SueBarbri33 says:

      And that’s really what all of this is about. To use the above numbering system, the palace pr always made it seem like William and Harry were a 8/10 relationship, but Spare showed me they were already a 1/10 long before Meghan arrived. They were never best friends, or even good friends. They were presented as a double-act going back to the Diana days, but that just wasn’t true. It’s easier to understand Harry’s actions once you are exposed to the false narrative.

      • booboocita says:

        You don’t tell your little brother to stay away from you at school if you’re “close.”

      • Christine says:

        I think the best description of their relationship is co-workers, with one doing all the work.

        Willnot is that co-worker you cannot stand, at any job you have ever had. He expects to get all of the credit for everything good, and takes zero blame if it turns into a shitshow.

        See: Now.

    • MoxyLady007 says:

      That kind of distance and resentment is a hallmark of being raised by a narcissist though. The siblings need to not be friends or trust each other because then they might compare notes / form an alliance which threatens the narcissist.

      Odds are, Charles is behind every – William you can’t trust Harry! story. From birth. Because that’s the narcissist playbook / manual. Come on guys. It’s classic. It’s documented and researched.

      • roooth says:

        Both Chuck & Willy have been groomed to be malignant narcissists from birth. They both believe they are deservedly superior to everyone else and entitled to indulge themselves.

        I have long believed that the rift between Willy & Harry is at least in part because Willy would have felt entitled to hit on Meghan, and Meghan would have shut him down, and told Harry. Willy, like Chuck & Philip & going far back into English history, would believe he’s entitled to have any woman, married, engaged or not. He would have felt entitled to have his brother’s girl. And he would have been enraged to be rejected with a hard NO from Meghan, that American actress!, who couldn’t care less about a royal’s perceived sexual entitlement. imho

    • DeeSea says:

      My hot take. W’s narcissism (bolstered by decades of unfettered enabling from everyone around him) allowed him to believe—truly, deeply believe—that H was an extension of him. In W’s mind, H was never his own separate person with individuality and free will; rather, he was just a part of W. So, when H left the royal fold, W saw this as the ultimate betrayal: H had (in W’s mind) literally removed/stolen/amputated a part of W. W’s unchecked narcissism and overinflated ego have blinded him and he’s unable to see the situation from any other perspective. He could probably benefit greatly from intense therapy, but he’d never seek it out or agree to it—so he’ll continue to limp through life, seething with bitter resentment over his stolen appendage.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      I’ve read SPARE multiple times. Have also randomly reread other parts of SPARE. Pages 56-58 of SPARE. The closeness of the relationship between the brothers has always been one sided. Harry was very careful to lead readers to that point. D*mn.

      After Chuck kicked Will out of the car. Harry, “Now and then I peered out the back window.”. Behind us, I could just make out the future King of England, plotting his revenge.”.

  4. Rapunzel says:

    “How would you feel if your best friend decided to reveal all your personal secrets to the newspapers? Well, multiply that by a thousand. ”

    So everything Harry said is true, and he’s not lying about how horrible William is. Got it.

    It never ceases to amaze me how these mofos tell on themselves. The betrayal isn’t Harry revealing secrets. It’s that those secrets are ugly.

    • SussexWatcher says:

      Exactly! They never deny that what Harry has said is true. And also, they must recognize that Harry went easy on them. I’m sure Harry knows a lot more secrets and scandals and chose (for now) to keep quiet. Those friends of Pegs should really stop poking the bear!

      Edited to add, for me it’s the hypocrisy of that first quote. That’s exactly what Harry experienced for most of his life. But there is no recognition that they were the perpetrators of what they’re now complaining about. It blows my mind.

      • Couch Potato says:

        Your edit is spot on! Chuck, Cam and Willnot have been doing this to Harry for years. They’ve just cowardly hidden behind “royal sources” and “friends” instead of owning up their despicable treatement of Harry.

    • equality says:

      I’m sure PH knows how that feels also since his father and brother have been doing that to him for the majority of his life.

    • Miranda says:

      That “how would you feel?” bit got me.

      I mean, gosh, I guess I’d probably feel almost as hurt as if my own brother physically assaulted me because I wouldn’t stand for him and his wife being bigoted, snobbish, making cruel racist remarks about my unborn child, and conspiring with their staff to spread heinous lies about my emotionally vulnerable pregnant spouse…

    • NotSoSocialB says:

      That jumped out at me as much as the, “…at least not while he’s married to Meghan.”

      What a colossal POS Wallace (of Wallace and Gromit) is. How can he be a good and loving father if he’s so royally effed up emotionally?

    • Becks1 says:

      Right??? So you’re saying its true…..

      also, that same line is something that Harry talks about in Spare – not about being the closest of friends, but this part – “They were the only people who actually knew what each other had been through.” he talked about how he and William had a pact not to play the kind of games in the press that their father did and harry felt betrayed when William started doing exactly that.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Becks1, that must have been extremely difficult for Harry since they had promised each other that they would never brief against each other. The nail in the coffin was when W was trying to convince H that he just wanted him to be happy and said, “I swear on Mummy’s life.” It must have been devastating when H realized he didn’t believe his brother.

        Such a huge betrayal and I’m not sure anyone gets past that.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Rapunzel, it is honestly hilarious how many times they’ve inadvertently admitted that everything Harry has said is true when making statements like this. Their wording ALWAYS gives it away.

      It’s incredible that none of their advisers/aides/whoever is crafting these responses realize this.

  5. K8erade says:

    William’s “all or nothing” thinking will be his undoing. When I see him, I think of the film The Last Emperor and how his life aligns with Pu Yi. I feel he’s on the same path (obviously not taking the throne as a young child). He seems to be just as sadistic as Pu Yi.

    I know it’s sad for Harry to probably know this is true but it’s honestly the best thing that could have happened to him, as messed up as it sounds. Harry’s safe from his psycho brother and I think there is good reason Harry is concerned for his safety when he goes to England and it’s not just the media he’s afraid of.

  6. Peg is a first class schmuck. He is full of hate and evil. Funny how on this particular subject they are in agreement with what Omid writes. Let’s see how it goes if Omid spills some dark tea about Peg and his secrets.

    • K8erade says:

      Omid Scobie has done the Lord’s work in exposing the royal family’s truths. But given some of the sinister actions of late, I’d genuinely be worried for Omid’s safety if he goes too far.

  7. Shawna says:

    William sold out his mother for his Sun payout. I will never not believe him calling his mother paranoid isn’t connected to that settlement.

  8. Tessa says:

    Harry and Meghan will stay married. Harry won’t sacrifice his marriage to be able to speak to petulant william.

    • sparrow says:

      I have a feeling that, if there are indeed problems in their marriage, one of the deciding factors in W&K’s staying together will be William’s determination to show that his relationship is as great as he knows/fears Harry’s is. W&K may well be living separately but I’m still not convinced they’ll divorce.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Sparrow, ITA, William would feel like he was admitting failure in an area where Harry has succeeded wildly.

        The only way I see him actually divorcing Kate is if he has another woman lined up who he sees as equal to or “better than” (🙄) Meghan, and that he knows for sure that this woman is willing to marry him. And, IMO, this scenario is a long shot. What sane, accomplished woman would want to marry into that shitshow of a family

      • Cairidh says:

        The woman he’s alleged to be dating, Svetlana Ignatiev, said that she’d left her previous job because she wanted to do some good in the world, make a difference (now working as COO for Flora and Fauna international.).
        So maybe she would have been willing to do the Royal job. And she certainly has the intelligence, worth ethics and looks helpful for the role.
        But I don’t think the palace courtiers will let William divorce Kate. They only let Diana have an official separation and divorce because she was causing more scandal as a member of the royal family, than she would create by leaving it. (The book, the interview…).

        Maybe that’s why William is more annoyed at Kate lately. Maybe he finally has a girlfriend who is suitable for the role, and willing to do it, but Kate’s in the way.

      • Well Wisher says:

        They are together because Kate is determined to be QC…… William wants to ‘best’ Harry with a more suitable wife.
        It is an unattainable wish, hence the rage notwithstanding the usual windup…..

  9. Eurydice says:

    Interesting how they’re already planning for Charles” funeral. And interesting how they think there might be a possibility that Harry will apologize…if Meghan is not around.

    • K8erade says:

      I think that’s just delusional thinking from the palace and the British tabloids.

    • Rapunzel says:

      “And interesting how they think there might be a possibility that Harry will apologize…if Meghan is not around.”

      Can I ask why you say “interesting” here? That is not the word I’d choose, but I’m sure you have a reason.

      • Eurydice says:

        Well, I could say I was being sarcastic and that would be part of it, but I do think it’s odd/interesting that in the middle of all this talk about absolute zero, nope, nada, never going to happen, over Charles’ dead body, and William’s hot, hot hate of a million suns…there creeps in this teeny tiny hope that Harry might apologize if only Meghan weren’t around.

    • Anna says:

      “if Meghan is not around” sounds so ominous and threatening, that they keep entertaining the possibility of Harry crawling back to England if only his wife and the mother of his children were absent is just.

      • ChattyCath says:

        I found that creepy and ominous too. I also heard a (tabloid) tale a long time back that KC had offered M a lot of money to go away and not come back. The RF clearly don’t care about people only the institution. What has she done? Didn’t defer enough?

    • Proud Mary says:

      Anna, they already tried that with the Sandringham Summit, that is trying to get Harry to do what they want in Meghan’s abcense. I think they’re really stupid if they think it’s Meghan pulling the strings. Meghan and Harry are equal partners. Theirs is not the doormat relationship of Will and Kate’s, but also Meghan is not Camilla behind Charles.

      • Christine says:

        It’s pretty clear that none of the royals are familiar with the concept of a marriage of equals. They are baffled by Harry and Meghan.

    • Jay says:

      Haven’t there already been plans for each senior royal’s funeral in place for years? I presume is true for Charles as well.

      That said, Chuck’s coronation was also supposed to be spearheaded by William, who by most reports contributed most by his absence and letting others carry out the plans. By all accounts Chuck is a careful planner, and stuff like who wears what and who gets invited really matters to him in a way that it really doesn’t seem to matter to William.

      So if I were Charles, I would not leave things to chance and risk William and his crack team of Tory advisors (who mostly dislike Charles) planning my send off. He can try to avoid ambiguity right now by publicly stating that he would like Harry there, and that the stability of the crown is assured because the plans are already in place.

      • Eurydice says:

        Yes, of course. I should be using sarcasm font. By planning, I mean these leaks, briefs, expert commentaries, etc., whatever words you’d like to use, are anticipating the demise of Charles.

    • Well Wisher says:

      That started a reasonable time after he became king as per standard.

  10. SussexWatcher says:

    So Pegs feels betrayed because Harry and Meghan, on record, told their story? And yet, Peg’s and king Chuckles have leaking to the media about Harry since childhood to save their own secrets from being told. How does this “friend” not see the hypocrisy? Complaining about leaking to the press as you are literally leaking to the press.

    A bunch of fcuking abusive clowns.

    • ariel says:

      Came here to say this.

      They spent their teens being sold out by charles and camilla.
      And when Meghan came on the scene- william “betrayed” her/them/the family CONSTANTLY.

      Like- if there was a god- lightning would strike william for that insane, ridiculous hypocrisy.

  11. Brassy Rebel says:

    This is industrial level projection. William seems to have convinced himself that Harry is the one who sold out the family to the media. Bassakwards, William.

    • Anna says:

      William encompasses the (future of the) monarchy. He the institution. He is the family.

      In his mind, he probably believes Harry’s role as his spare was to do all the work William didn’t want to do, and swoop in to take the credit. William saw Harry as both his workhorse and his shield. Harry choosing himself and his own family, instead of choosing William, was the betrayal.

      • Nerd says:

        That is what is so confusing about all of this. How can a person claim to have a familial bond or connection when the relationship they they have with the person is lacking any of the emotional connection that are involved in being in a family? They were willing to risk the lives of actual family members on behalf of an employee. That is as far removed from being a family unit as is possible. William assaulted his brother because he believed the lies of his employees over the truth of his brother and SIL. There is something flawed in their understanding of what family is and that is evident in every generation.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Nerd, I think it’s just impossible to understand how a “normal” family operates when you’re born into one like this. I mean, I freaking despise William, but he never really stood a chance to become a decent person — *especially* not after Diana died.

        Their “family” operates like some warped corporation, and William doesn’t know anything different. He thought he’d found his “normal” family when he met the Middletons, but he seems to have realized a while ago that even they weren’t who he thought they were. So in his mind, he’s been betrayed by pretty much everyone in his life, except maybe his grandparents and Zara.

        Harry is an aberration, imo. A total outlier compared to literally all other Windsor men. I have NO idea how he turned out so well, especially since he lost his mother when he was so young, but he’s the exception to the rule. (The way he was treated as the spare definitely played into how he became who he is, but doesn’t explain it completely, because: Andrew.)

        I hope that somehow, George turns out to be more of a Harry than a William, but I also realize that sadly the odds aren’t in his favor. At least George will grow up with access to *a lot* more information than William and Harry had as children/teenagers, and that really might make a significant difference as to how he sees the world, especially when it comes to his family. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • ArtHistorian says:

        While Andrew was the spare, he was also his mother’s favourite. So I think that his entitlement comes from that. Also, despite how distant a parent Elizabeth was, Charles was even worse (which is quite an accomplishment).

  12. Ameerah M says:

    I can see Will doing everything he can to prevent Harry from attending Charles’ funeral. And if Camilla outlives Chuck – she will be right by Will’s side making sure Harry can’t attend.

    • Tessa says:

      I don’t think camilla trusts William. I think she’s looking out for herself and her children and grandchildren more than worry about harry attending. Camilla will make sure she is secure if Charles predeceases her. Charles will probably have an iron clad trust fund that will can’t touch.

  13. GDubslady says:

    William is a proper psychopath. The other family and firm members should make plans to leave while they can. His reign will be ugly.

    • MsIam says:

      That is my exact thought , that William is a psychopath. I know that word gets thrown around casually but I think something is wrong with him. And I don’t know why he’s acting this way about Harry revealing secrets. Wasn’t it Robert Bracey’s book that revealed William shoved Diana into a wall during an argument? That to me was even more shocking and I don’t recall this same level of hysteria about that. The press for years has been saying how mean and Harry William is, its not just Harry saying that. And Harry could have brought in the Rose story in his book but there was no mention of that at all.

    • [insert_catchy_name] says:

      Yeah this is exactly what I thought. The last year or two have really had William constantly coming across as unhinged.

  14. Avonan says:

    Will’s “friends” do him—and the monarchy—no favors with their insights. He comes off as petty and vindictive. Not aspirational or kingly. Much like his father about Diana. I can’t think the people of the UK and commonwealth countries, seeing the abysmal state of both domestic and foreign affairs, would feel comforted knowing the future king is not at all noble.

    • K8erade says:

      As an optomist, I really want to believe his “friends” are doing all the favors for the public and trying to warn people ahead of time.

    • Surly Gale says:

      @Avonan…Canada here, and you’re 100% correct. Charles & William being the “best they have to offer” is deeply disgusting. We talk about abolishing the monarchy, but I think for more effective and current results we need to pivot to “Defund The Monarchy” or #DefundTheMonarchy because though we held our noses and supported and paid for QEII we did it out of respect for history, for her service during the war, etc. At the very least, she stayed classy (funny me saying that which kind of emphasizes the class wars in the UK). Whereas we already know Charles has much less class and William has none. Because of treaties and constitutions, abolishment will take decades. I’m convinced we would be more successful if we were #DefundTheMonarchy focused vs #AbolishTheMonarchy. If we made defunding them a political issue, I think we could make headway. This is entirely IMO and in my fevered, wishful brain.

      • Lauren says:

        @Surly Gale you should read up on the Swedish Monarchy and the change that took place in 1974. The basic is that they stripped the monarchy of all power leaving them as truly ceremonial heads of state, although still funded.
        The way the Dutch Royal family works is also interesting, for example they don’t have a separate press office all communications go through the PM’s press office.

  15. Jais says:

    This is what gets me. It is William who betrayed Harry. William had already been leaking and planting negative stories about Harry and Meghan well before Oprah or anything else. Flybe was a betrayal. Putting out a statement that Harry signed something that he never did was a betrayal. William’s decision to befriend the BM at Harry’s expense was a betrayal. What did William expect was going to happen? That Harry wouldn’t fight back? Just bc Harry didn’t fight back physically didn’t mean William was safe from Harry. Fighting back against William’s media games is what William considers a betrayal. Harry said no to the heirarchy.

    • equality says:

      He was supposed to take it like he had for the majority of his life. He was supposed to understand that was his purpose in life as the “spare”. That is why they blame Meghan and Harry’s therapists. They formed a support system for Harry and showed him a better life. Now they are delusional enough to think that if Meghan weren’t around, Harry wouldn’t be strong enough to continue in his better life.

      • Christine says:

        This right here, all day long.

        They honestly seem to believe that if there is no Meghan, Harry is on the first plane back to England. It’s pretty clear to anyone who has been paying attention that it is a non-starter for Harry.

    • s808 says:

      Exactly, W & H had a promise to each other and W broke it first! And has the audacity to think H should’ve just sucked it up when his wife and child’s LIFE was on the line!

      • Lorelei says:

        Yeah, the story about William physically assaulting Harry is horrific for sure, but it does get a disproportionate amount of attention, IMO, because I believe it hurt Harry FAR worse when he learned that William had sold him (and Meghan) out to the press. Especially since William was doing it for a long time, as long as he possibly could— until the Sussexes finally left and he had nothing left to leak anymore.

        William explicitly broke the one promise the brothers had made to each other. Obviously William never should have laid a hand on Harry (or anyone!), but his worst sin is his complicity with the tabloids at Harry and Meghan’s expense.

        (And, later, however much he had to do with the decisions made around taking away the Sussexes’ security.)

    • Proud Mary says:

      Jais, you are right. And most Harry critics clutch their pearls over the physical attack story, but very disingenuously fail to note that William had, 2 years prior to the release of spare, leaked that story to a royal biographer, in a manner that was favorable to William, leaving out the part where he attacked Harry.

    • Eurydice says:

      Yes, and during the Oprah interview Harry said that his relationship with William was already empty space.

  16. emmlo says:

    Harry didn’t tell “all his secrets,” about Will and Charles. Not even close. He was remarkably generous toward them both and repeatedly expressed empathy for their unique struggles. If Harry didn’t have so much grace, he’d really spill the tea. William is still terrified of what he could say if he chose to do so.

    • SueBarbri33 says:

      Exactly. I enjoyed Spare, but part of the reading process for me was in puzzling out what was missing from the narrative. I think William lives in fear that whatever is wrong with him (anger issues, health issues, etc) will be exposed by Harry and he will have nowhere to hide. He’s been acting very guilty and frightened ever since H&M left. Harry went easy on his brother, but instead of being grateful, William is still so angry that he’s still publicly discussing it.

    • Shoesies says:

      Harry not releasing all he knows? This is to protect his Meghan’s and his children’s lives. Once he does release everything they will kill them. I believe they have already tried and firmly believe they killed Diana!

      • Lorelei says:

        See, I think they’re more afraid of him *now* because they know there’s still so much more he could tell, but hasn’t— he’s more dangerous to them now than he would be if he went ahead and just published those 400 (or however many) pages that were cut from Spare.

        At that point, if he finally spilled all of their misdeeds, they would obviously have a brand new set of problems (an understatement!), but at least they would no longer need to worry if Harry was going to reveal more.

        As of now, Harry (and Meghan, to a lesser extent) still has the capacity to do a ton of damage to the family if they continue harassing him, and he finally gets fed up and decides they’re not worth covering for anymore.

        If I’m Harry, I’d be much more afraid that they’d try to eliminate me *before* I say anything else. The entire situation is sickening.

      • Christine says:

        I agree, and if I were Harry and Meghan, I would make it known to Salty Isle that those 400 pages are ready to publish, if something awful happens to them.

  17. sparrow says:

    That lead photo certainly speaks volumes. I do think Charles is kinder in his approach but what worries me is that W&K stir up the nasty in him because they have a purely unforgiving agenda. I also think the BRF is flummoxed that Harry – someone many of us Brits grew up with as supposedly ‘nice but dim’, and the rogue-ish brother Kate thought secretly fancied her – has grown up and gone. The man has a depth they ignored. And I ask myself, what did they expect? What exactly has he betrayed? He was thoroughly unhappy here; these photos they snap claiming that Meghan has made him unhappy are off chance things, when he was growing up practically every photo showed a boy who hated his public life. A woman came along who helped him get out. But you can’t take someone who doesn’t want to go, just like you can’t break a marriage that’s not already breaking. He was ready to leave and thank god she was there. They tried. They went.

    • sunny says:

      The thing is that Harry was probably always going to get out and leave. Meghan’s identity, connections and the way the family treated her made it easier. So much is revealed in Spare. Look at the women Harry was with before Meghan- all were smart, independent, ambitious, and haaaaaated or had serious concerns with royal life. Consistently choosing those type of women suggests he was always trying to break away. He ended up finding the ideal partner and partnership to make the break for. The man was clearly unhappy with royal life.

      As to William, he is selfish, sick, cruel, and pathetic. This is what happens when you are brought up being told you are the centre of the universe. He will continue to learn nothing from this because he has proven incapable of learning. He will continue to diminish himself, the royal family, and the crown through the stupidity of his actions. And he will continue to feel absolutely miserable because he doesn’t get that he is the problem.

    • Lorelei says:

      I agree with you both. William definitely gets Charles riled up and convinces him to be nastier to Harry than he might otherwise be. And Harry always wanted to leave; it’s pure fiction that if Meghan hadn’t come along, Harry would have stayed in the exact same role in the family that he’d always filled. He’d been talking about leaving for years, they just didn’t take him seriously. Meghan made it easier for sure, but only because it was what Harry wanted in the first place.

      I think a lot of what they’re feeling is anger (and some embarrassment) at themselves for underestimating Harry to the extent that they did for so long, and for missing so many signs.

      They thought he was dim; he’s proven himself to be the smartest person in that family. His actions and ability to make a successful life for himself outside of the RF are likely making lots of other family members totally rethink their options, and Charles & William will HATE that. William is definitely jealous that Harry is in love and happy.

      Not to mention that Invictus has become probably the most successful, highest-profile royal initiative ever, and now it isn’t even affiliated with the BRF anymore. They were just so wrong and off-base about *everything* when it came to Harry.

      William and Charles likely feel incredibly stupid. They’d never admit it, and will continue to pile all of the blame on Harry, but there’s no way that deep down, they’re not also partially blaming themselves for being so blind to who Harry really was this whole time (and being angry at the fact that he’s made the leftover royals all look so incredibly lazy and dull 😂).

      William can shout about being betrayed all he wants, but he knows what he did. He knows that he and his brother made a promise to each other, and he broke it in order to cover his own cheating ass.

  18. Cessily says:

    He better be careful because Prince Harry becoming an American citizen and making his oath on the same day as they crown Peggy could happen… guess what people would watch 🤷🏻‍♀️

  19. BlueSky says:

    What I picked up from reading Spare was that they were never really close. It seemed that W resented the freedom H had of not being the heir. He seemed to try to undermine him and have this one sided competition with him. W along with the staff, his father, and his side piece treated H horribly and regularly fed stories to the press in exchange for burying damning stories about them. It was always understood that this was his role. I don’t think they ever expected him to marry or it was discouraged. The turning point was when H started going to therapy and pushing back. W didn’t want the dynamics of the relationship to change because he could always get away with being abusive.

    • s808 says:

      “W resented the freedom H had of not being the heir.”

      This is the root of almost all of W’s problems with H imo. It really hit home for me when W threatened to shave H’s beard the night before his wedding cause W didn’t get to have a beard. It told a much deeper story of resentment and jealousy. W absolutely feels that since he’s stuck, H should’ve been stuck too. W’s hatred of M is two-fold. M represented not only something W couldn’t “get” (a gorgeous, intelligent helpmate who was perfect for the royal position) she also helped him secure the freedom he always wanted and one W can’t have without a great loss (in his mind).

      • Jan90067 says:

        This is SO MUCH like Charles’ statement that since *he* had to live in the institution, that Harry shouldn’t expect, or try to do anything, different. The “generational trauma” that Harry spoke of… Charles and William *completely*resent* Harry for breaking the chain.

      • Lorelei says:

        @S808, you nailed it!

        And, the thing is, William COULD leave, too, if he really wanted it. It’s not as if they could legally prevent him from doing it. He just doesn’t have what it takes to make it outside the RF because his entire identity is and always has been his status as future king. He’s never really worked at anything or cultivated any interests, he’s simply relied on his title and the cushy life and perks that came with it. He’d be lost outside of the royal machinery.

      • Christine says:

        Agreed, but he has the amount of wealth which means he never has to do anything of value for the rest of his life, and he will still be grossly rich.

    • Jais says:

      @bluesky, such an interesting thread, how William as heir resented Harry’s freedom. And @s808, when you said that William feels like Harry should be stuck too, just like him, yeah, that’s a lot. It’s something he’s probably felt for a very long time. Creepy actually.

  20. @BelizeEmpower says:

    Welp, this portrait of the future king, Willy, makes him sound like an even bigger a-hole than I thought. Willy is the one who clearly needs some therapy in his life to deal with his rage. And to suggest Harry is a traitor when he forced Harry out is what a psycho would do. Imagine giving a raging psycho the power to be king of England. Oh well, let’s see what karma vs. destiny has in store for him. One should never be so sure of oneself…

    Also, I bet he rages at his father because Charles wants a relationship with Harry. Psycho’s always try to isolate their victims.

    • Couch Potato says:

      Not even an army of therapists could help Willnot see the light. It says a lot when the Windsors thinks these kind of statements are ok.

  21. Amy Bee says:

    William is a gaslighting psychopath. He and Harry were never close and he’s just angry that he lost control over him. Harry was supposed to continue to accept William’s abuse and controlling ways and never say anything about it. There’s no way that William is not controlling and abusive to Kate.

  22. Libra says:

    Mutual loathing. That jumped out at me because William thinks he has a corner on the loathing market and only he can feel rage. Well, Harry has the same feelings about you, buddy, and someone finally acknowledged it.

  23. Carrie says:

    Harry on William: “ I love him to bits. We’ve been through hell together. I will always be there for William”.
    William on Harry: “I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives. I can’t do that anymore. We’re separate entities”.
    Now this latest from friends – the next time William will see Harry is at their fathers funeral.
    One brother so generous and loving in his approach. The other is just appalling.
    William, you really need therapy.

  24. DaniLou32 says:

    “Ten bucks says that William will actually throw a tantrum about not wanting to invite Harry to their father’s funeral.” – yeah Charles’ actions when the Queen died is a warm up for how Willy is going to be. Unhinged is the understatement. It’s a good job the Sussexes got out when they could.

  25. Over it says:

    As if Harry wants to talk to lurch . Like get over yourself already wank. Btw f William , it was him selling out his brother and his brother wife to the British media to protect his wondering willow bark . So he should be more concerned about if Harry will ever forgive his pathetic as—sss

  26. Laura D says:

    So the ‘global’ statesman who have vowed to bring peace to the Middle East can’t bring himself to find a way of opening meaningful dialogue with his only brother? This sensitive FK who has vowed to end homelessness in the UK will only talk to his brother when their father has died? Wow, with friends like these William doesn’t really need enemies!

  27. Harla A Brazen Hussy says:

    I don’t believe that this possibility bothers Harry one bit.

  28. Anonymous says:

    Willy the wanker is made he has to work!!

  29. Ace says:

    Well, yeah. Peg will absolutely try to stop Harry from going. Harry already knows it so he’ll be ready for it when it happens.

  30. equality says:

    It’s interesting how Princess Mako, Princess Marth Louise, Prince Friso, and others have left the royal fold and their families put out messages of support. The BRF is warped on so many levels in comparison.

    • Couch Potato says:

      Yeah! Princess Martha started an angel school, her first marriage was with a big mouthed poet and now she’s engaged to a shaman who claims he’s half lizard and a lot of other BS. Her family still support her, and has never spoken a bad word about her or Durek to the press. They don’t use “friends” or “royal souces” to do it either. There are things going on in pretty much all the RFs, but no one of them behaves like the Windsors.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        The Windsors produce people who are incredibly stunted emotionally, even compared to other royal families! I wonder if the large institutional bureaucracy that surrounds them plays a part. The way that these people don’t speak directly to each other leaves room for other people (with their own agendas) to influence familial relationships.

        They really would be a fascinating subject for a study of generational dysfunction and trauma.

  31. Mslove says:

    This reminds me of the ‘Kate will never forgive Harry’ articles, so it seems she & Pegs are on the same page. I can’t believe Peg is taking such a hard line on this issue, it’s a terrible look.

  32. VilleRose says:

    Part of the reason William hates Harry so much apart from feeling betrayed is jealousy. I think we’ve all read reports that William has never really wanted to be king, he held off on getting married as long as possible and stringing Kate along for years hoping to avoid the responsibility of his inevitable destiny (a bit like his father in that way). I have sympathy for him in that regard because I can’t imagine being saddled with such a destiny. Harry as the spare has the freedom to do things William can’t do, same goes for Princess Anne and Prince Edward and Prince Andrew before the whole Epstein thing blew that up. Harry leaving the UK with Meghan and Archie for California means William has to face his destiny alone. He can’t just up and leave the country and live elsewhere, he’d have to formally abdicate and it would be a whole constitutional crisis. He’s jealous his brother can live the life he wants on his terms, something William is not allowed to do. I think anyone in those shoes would probably feel similar emotions. I know they weren’t super close as brothers and had their issues before all this came out into the open but it’s all just so sad.

    • [insert_catchy_name] says:

      Yeah I think he is also incandescent with jealousy. Harry has the hot wife and awesome life, while William is miserable, trapped, and inadequate.

      I also have a theory that William probably tried hitting on Megan or something at one point and was turned down- in early photos he was often seen looking at Megan pretty admiringly, now this out-and-out hate-on he has for her screams of typical mediocre white male rejection-rage.

      • Jaded says:

        I agree. William is loutish and arrogant enough to have said or done something completely inappropriate to Meghan. At her wedding he looked her up and down like she was a piece of meat, it was disgusting. But we know she would have put him in his place immediately like she did when she told him to “Kindly remove your finger from my face” during the infamous argument he and Kate presided over at Nott Cott.

      • Jais says:

        It’s honestly weird how William looked at Meghan more on her wedding day than he did at his own wife on his wedding day.

      • VilleRose says:

        I know people think that William had the hots for Meghan and sure, we all think she’s gorgeous. But I don’t really believe that theory. Pretty early on, William was warning Harry not to rush things with Meghan and they were so worried about her being American/an actor. I think he disliked Meghan very early on (before the wedding). I think he envies his brother’s relationship with Meghan because he clearly doesn’t have the same complicity with his own wife. But that’s it.

      • Christine says:

        Word, Jais. It’s creepy as hell the way he looked Meghan up and down, with a lecherous look on his face, while she was in the act of marrying his brother.

        That video isn’t going anywhere.

      • Cairidh says:

        If William did hit on Meghan it would have been with the intention of getting Harry to break up with her. He’s sly and sneaky and the sort to play games in that way.
        He wouldn’t have wanted Harry to marry a tv actress with lower class bloodlines.

      • Jaded says:

        @Cairidh – you hit the nail on the head. William is stupid and arrogant enough to have tried to get Meghan into a compromised situation in order to manipulate Harry into dumping her. Some commenters disagree but a man can be physically attracted to a woman he doesn’t respect or admire, and I think that’s exactly what was going on in William’s tiny brain. Kate knew that and it’s likely the primary reason she has been so antagonistic towards Meghan, out of pure jealousy that her idiot husband is attracted to her.

    • Square2 says:

      @ VILLEROSE Actually, Willy SO SO want to be King. He loves all the power, respect, privilege, etc. that being a Monach would get ( That’s why WanK did all those stunts undermining KC3’s con-a-nation events. He wants the adoration & focus on him.)

      He just do NOT want to have/do all the responsibilities/works come with being King. ( That’s why he’s hiring a CEO, he can’t be bothered with all the minute details of running the Dukedom of Cornwall.)

      KC3 didn’t say William was the laziest person he’ve known for nothing!

    • AC says:

      I think there’s always going to be a sibling rivalry/competition between 2 brothers and one of them has to be the alpha. But what W is doing is so drastic and going waay too far. Ok maybe he doesn’t like his sister in law, but does anyone in their right mind hit their own brother, purposely want to destroy his brothers marriage because of his sister in law. W is envious about H no doubt . Idk ..but To me it’s also obvious Ws obsession with M.

  33. sevenblue says:

    It is always a bad idea to talk about death with certainty. Who really knows if Charles is the first one to go? With all his rage issues, helicopter trips, Willy shouldn’t assume the God’s plan. You know, “Man plans, and God laughs”.

  34. Kingston says:

    LOL did that congenital twit say you can’t get lower than zero?! (see last line of little tommysykes extract by kaiser).

    Anyhoooo……bully parker-bowels is at home in the subterranean levels of human depravity so of course there’ll be depths below zero where he’ll wallow.

    I strongly believe that as we spk, bully parker-bowels is actively willing his daddy to die so he can become king. And its THEN that we’ll all see how low he can and will go.

  35. Nic919 says:

    It is wild that William’s friends put this out there thinking it makes William look good. He seems like a tyrant and unwilling to accept his own role in what happened. Wootton would never have known about the departure but for William and Knauf leaking it to him. And really the kate crying story launched the smear campaign against Meghan, which could have been shut down, but William didn’t do a thing. And of course accepting payment from Murdoch, and not even telling his own brother about it? That’s such a betrayal. William is the snake here.

    At least Charles has people who realize that looking magnanimous is a better look for a monarch.

  36. Mary Pester says:

    Where does this “William and Harry were so close” shit come from. No THEY WERE NOT! William was an ass before his mother died and has since fulfilled her prophesy and become an even bigger one, coupled with the fact he is a rage monster, has an uncontrollable temper and to many people are 1, afraid of him and 2, covering for him! Hence why they are so willing to lie and spout crap about harry.
    Back when they were young, and the Queen mother was alive, she more than anyone else let Billy believe he was above mere mortals and could do no wrong. She even told Ken Wharf that William was not to be scolded for anything as it’s Harry’s job to protect Williams reputation, yeah, Harry was 7 at the time!!
    Diana knew what was coming and tried to warn Charlie and tell the Queen. But the Queen was busy protecting the monarchy and Charlie was to busy playing hide the tampax. Look at how William told Harry that at school “he doesn’t know him”. Is that what they call close!! William should never be alone with either Harry or Megan, as the consequences don’t bare thinking about. William can’t accept the fact he doesn’t have a whipping boy or human shield anymore. Well he can suck it up, because Harry has left him for dust, and there he can stay

    • Jais says:

      Wow, the queen mother said it was Harry’s job to protect William’s reputation? Presumably, she told William that too. And he truly believed it. Welp, Harry eventually said no thanks to that.

      • Mary Pester says:

        @Jais, yep, that is one of the reasons Ken actually said that William grew from a petulant child to a big petulant child. The Queen mother was a nasty, nasty old woman. Prince Philip even turned the heating off in her rooms as BUCKINGHAM PALACE as she refused to move out to royal Lodge after Elizabeth became queen. She tried to interfere in his marriage and Philip said enough.

      • Jais says:

        Don’t know too much about the QM but everything I’ve heard sounds bad. And she really did have a lot of influence over the heirs, Charles and William. Hmm, how much of the dysfunction actually goes back to this lady’s influence? In spare, Harry made it sound like she pretty much had nothing to do with him. All I know is I remember reading that she was unhappy being demoted from queen and that they had to create the queen mother title for her🙄. Which tells me all I need to know.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I don’t think the QM bothered with Harry as he was not the Heir. He was of no interest to her.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      “She even told Ken Wharf that William was not to be scolded for anything as it’s Harry’s job to protect Williams reputation, yeah, Harry was 7 at the time!!” WTF!!!!

      That’s how you raise an absolute terror of a person! (Is this the way to create a narcissist?) One who is encouraged to believe that they never do anything wrong and who is shielded from the consequences of their own mistakes (because we all make mistakes). Charles contined in this regard – having flunkies apologize for Williams’ misdeeds, etc. Harry leaving is probably the first genuine reality check that William has ever had in his life when it comes to the consequences of his own actions – and he can’t handle it because he doesn’t have the experiences and tools that most people have to deal with the fallout of our own mistakes.

      The QM also had a big hand in Charles’ upbringing – and just look how he turned out. That old racist woman really inflicted a lot of damage on the BRF on a personal level (she also dominated her daughter) – and she lived a VERY long time to do a lot of psychological damage.

      • Mary Pester says:

        @Arthistorian, yes, just look at what she did to princess Margaret!! And both Margaret and Diana have both been proved right, Margaret said “if they can’t control you, they control how others see you, and Diana said” that which they can’t control, they seek to destroy. And just look at what they are doing to Harry and meghan. Those words really are echoing down the years.

      • Harper says:

        I also suspect the Queen Mother was the one who told William not to spread himself too thin with the royal work nonsense. Since he was old enough to speak for himself to reporters, William’s narrative about how he will approach his royal duties has frequently included that phrase–in fact he said it just last week at the Earthshot press thingy.

        We know the idea didn’t come from C-Rex, who falls asleep on his desk working, and not from Liz or Phil who dutifully put in their hours well into their 90s, and not from Diana, so I suspect the influence of the Queen Mother. Clearly someone who had her first drink of the day at noon and then spent the rest of her time overdrafting her funds seems the likely culprit for planting that idea in William’s brain.

    • bisynaptic says:

      The Queen Mother sounds like an awful piece of work.

      • Deering24 says:

        The QM was raised under two rigid inhuman systems–the Victorian Era and the RF. Small wonder she was so dreadful–in addition to being personally dislikable. Ghosts may not exist, but people can still haunt–and she lives on in William and Charles. 😳😳

      • Lorelei says:

        Yeah, I don’t know too much about her either, but just what’s in this short thread? Yikes.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        She was a nasty, nasty piece of work. Incredibly racist, astoundingly rude and very very unkind – but she successfully created an image of herself as the nation’s harmless little granny.

  37. Jaded says:

    William has never treated Harry with anything close to love and respect. In fact he’s always treated him like a dogsbody, an annoying little brother who is only there to do all the drudge work and allow himself to be pushed around or ignored. But the jealousy switch got flipped when Harry went off to Afghanistan as a helicopter pilot. Flying an Apache is no mean feat, and he gained a huge amount of confidence and self-esteem during his two tours. William couldn’t stand that and immediately trained as a heli pilot too. Jealousy, however, is like a cancer and it has taken over William to his core. Harry has everything William wants – freedom, a great career, a beautiful, accomplished wife, and the true happiness that can be gained through extensive therapy. Meanwhile, William continues eating himself up with resentment, spite and hatred. Atta boy.

  38. Jay says:

    I was thinking about this the other day – there aren’t any more big family events other than funerals left that Harry would be expected to attend. It must be a sobering thought, but also maybe a freeing one for Harry. He has nothing to fear or regret now that he’s said his piece. The rota, however, should be terrified at the prospect of Harry-free events for years to come.

    Even if Charles were to die next week, I think that Harry has shown him much more consideration than his father deserves. I feel like Harry has made his peace with his father and his limits -you can’t get blood from a stone etc. I don’t think anyone inthe Windsor clan has the power to disappoint Harry anymore.

    I expect that Charles’ funeral (like QEII’s) is long planned and William couldn’t actually disinvite his brother, although it’s very likely he will try to get Harry to come alone and try to punish him in other ways. He doesn’t learn from Charles’ mistakes in that respect.

    • Kitty says:

      William could pass on before his Dad, who knows what awaits any of us , seriously what a thing to.say about your Father..
      The other brother has grown into.a bitter bitter old man..shame

  39. Mrs.Krabapple says:

    I see they are still pushing the narrative that reporting abuse from a family member, is worse than the actual abuse that was done. No wonder they think Andrew is a victim — his victim reporting the rape was worse than the rape itself. That family is sick, sick, sick.

  40. AC says:

    They both won’t apologize, not while H is still married to M.
    In other words, and in a more direct way all roads lead to M. In Spare, the relationship with the brothers haven’t been the best but it’s at its lowest point when H met and married M. So basically W won’t talk to H unless H and M are divorced/separated. That tells you something.

    • Well Wisher says:

      Meghan is reviled because she share a healthy relationship with her husband. That is the gist…
      Harry will no longer settle for abuse…

      Stop the presses!!!!

  41. phlyfiremama says:

    Wow, what a…kingly…way to comport himself. *Sarcastic clap

  42. Izzy says:

    “Harry sold his family out to the media for millions of dollars, and William can’t forgive that breach of trust”

    NONE of these loser aristo inbreds get to complain about this when William was the one throwing Harry under the bus to distract from his wandering peen.

    I hope Willy Wanker and his troll friends read the comments of this site regularly, and if they do: You deserve every bit of loathing you get here.

    • Well Wisher says:

      That’s William side, coloured by William who cannot/would not face up to his character flaws….

  43. Lola says:

    Isn’t that cute they think a) he’d invite Harry or b) that he would speak to him if he did

    The only reason to invite him would be to pee on and humiliate him.

    Harry should mess with them all and just show up to the public mourning, Beckham style

    • Zengirl says:

      Yes, I would love that! The public would love that! I hope this is what actually happens (public mourning vs joining the family at the funeral).

  44. QuiteContrary says:

    I want JUST ONE royal reporter to ask those friends of Will if it’s true that William assaulted Harry in Harry’s home … Just ONE.

    Make them explain that assault. And then ask them if they’ve ever seen William lose his sh*t in other ways.

    Honestly, I don’t know how these people consider themselves journalists. They fail to do the basic tasks of reporting. If any decent journalist had access to these “friends,” they’d grill them on the incidents Harry documented in “Spare.”

    • Lorelei says:

      Honestly, I think even they know at this point that they’re not in any way real “journalists.” Chris Ship tries to act as if he’s above it all, but the rest of them must know exactly what they are.

  45. Mel says:

    Reading Spare Harry said they were never that close and that was also a media invention. Harry was the brother that William could bully and goad into doing dumb stuff to make HIM look better. He has always been jealous of Harry, the easy going, people person who seemed to well loved by his grandparents.

    • Macky says:

      William has always seemed flustered to me. I think he has always wanted freedom but there has always been someone telling him what to do. I think the commenters are right, I think William wants to follow harry to America.

      • Well Wisher says:

        No, he does not, He wants to feel good about himself, which is only possible if Harry is a total “fcuk-up”; no chance of that happening.

  46. Lucylee says:

    Billie the Basher is assuming he going to outlive his Pa.

  47. Gabby says:

    Thank goodness William is so stupid. He could do some serious damage otherwise.

  48. Norvell says:

    William will be a self-absorbed, jealous, and envious King with no clearly developed leadership skills. William is angry he cannot control his brother.

  49. JudyB says:

    How different things would have been had Anne been born before Charles, and the laws had allowed female children to have the same place in the line of succession as males. She would have made a much better monarch than Charles.

    I really feel sorry for George, Charlotte, and Louis. Maybe George really wants to be an artist or an engineer or an airline pilot. Ditto for the other two. However, although they will have a better chance of choosing their career, they will also be considered spares and expected to “support” their brother as king. And the circle will continue, unfortunately.

  50. Beans says:

    Errrr. What ever about those folks ? How broke up is the regular North American family? Didn’t we leave that continent for a reason..

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Beans, I’m assuming you don’t live in North America. Canada has the British Monarch on their money, which should be an indication of the Monarch’s involvement there. The US booted the British. Twice. I’ve never heard that the British left of their own accord.