Vine: What if Prince William & Kate are telegraphing their unhappy marriage?!

I was going to skip this but some commenters made reference to it and it seems like even more evidence that there’s a movement afoot to soft-launch a “Wales divorce” storyline. All week, there have been references in American and British media that the Mother’s Day photo fiasco was symptomatic of deeper problems in Prince William and Kate’s marriage. It’s important to remember, for those of you who just became interested in royal gossip recently, that William spent much of 2023 soft-launching himself as a hot single dad who was ready to mingle, and who looked forward to traveling solo. This was also around the time when Kensington Palace let everyone know that Kate was flatly refusing to travel or work because of the fakakta school run. Adjacent to that, there were stories throughout 2023 about William and Kate “cracking under the pressure” and turning on each other. There was a lot of foreshadowing for all of the sh-t that’s gone down this year, that’s all I’ll say. In any case, Sarah Vine’s column in the Daily Mail was full of some intriguing asides and assertions. Some highlights:

The Mother’s Day photo fiasco: No fewer than 12 alterations have been clearly identified, and there are queries about other aspects of it – ranging from the intriguing to the frankly insane. Some bonkers people are even suggesting the image is from November of last year – although there is no indication from the metadata (digital information about a picture, including details of the device used, plus location, dates and more) to suggest that it is remotely true. Nevertheless, it just seems so… well, amateur.

Odd that no one thought to add Kate’s wedding ring or Big Blue: Even odder, to my mind, is that the one thing that really stands out about the photograph, the detail most likely to set tongues wagging, has been left untouched. I’m talking, of course, about the fact that the princess is not wearing any of her rings. It’s true that she doesn’t always wear the diamond and sapphire engagement ring, for obvious reasons. But her wedding band? When has the Princess of Wales ever been seen without that? If you were going to digitally alter anything about the picture, wouldn’t that be it? Forget Charlotte’s sleeve, just pop that wedding ring back on. If nothing else, to stop people putting two and two together and making five.

William hasn’t been himself lately: Especially since the prince hasn’t exactly been quite himself of late, failing as he did to turn up to the late King Constantine of Greece’s memorial service at St George’s Chapel a couple of weeks ago, cancelling with less than an hour’s notice because of a ‘personal matter’. This wasn’t just anyone, it was his godfather – and the prince’s name was on the order of service. Plus, the chapel is only a few minutes by car from his home in the grounds of Windsor Castle. How serious a ‘personal matter’ can it have been that he couldn’t get away for an hour or so? All of this makes the absence of that wedding ring on a picture that the princess, by her own admission, spent a good deal of time doctoring even more concerning. It makes it seem almost deliberate, a statement in its own right. If it’s not there, could that be because she doesn’t want it there? It doesn’t bear thinking about.

The Monday photo in Windsor of William & Kate: Certainly that snap of them leaving Windsor in the car together yesterday was less than encouraging. They didn’t exactly look cheery, she with her back to the camera in shady profile and he looking somberly down at his papers. Of course, all this could mean nothing. But it could also mean something. And that’s the real problem here. As much as I would love to think that, as is so often the case in life, this is more cock-up than conspiracy, at every turn the combined cack-handedness of Kensington Palace and, let’s be honest, the demeanour of the Prince and Princess of Wales themselves conspire to make one think otherwise. I don’t say this out of criticism, more out of genuine concern for the couple and their wellbeing. After all, life in the royal fishbowl is far from easy. The princess has clearly had a very nasty operation, and it has come at the end of a very difficult and destabilising period for them both.

Just some explanations for William & Kate’s divorce, if it should happen: One shouldn’t underestimate the emotional strain – common to the whole of the Royal Family – of losing their great matriarch, the late Queen. Add to that the King’s cancer diagnosis, and inevitably it’s been an unsettling few months. It also goes without saying that the stress placed upon them both as a result of the accusations levelled at them by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex has been immense, and in particular the attacks on the princess have been especially vicious. It’s also worth remembering that on Kate’s side of the family, things haven’t been all that easy, either. Her parents’ business, Party Pieces, went into administration last year with more than £2.5million of debt. Inevitably that will have also taken its toll.

[From The Daily Mail]

Again, all of this speculation about the state of Huevo and Buttons’ marriage has been happening at lower levels for some time, but the weirdness of everything this year has led to more mainstream chatter. Chatter about affairs, chatter about Rose Hanbury, chatter about an unhappy marriage, chatter about all of the explanations the Waleses could give if they do end their marriage. Here’s my question though: if they were headed for divorce for a while, did Kate’s medical issues delay the inevitable or accelerate the inevitable? Discuss.

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  1. Befuddled says:

    The medical issue is directly related to the divorce. I don’t believe you’d have one without the other.

    • seaflower says:

      I had wondered about a link.

    • SAS says:

      Agreed, @Befuddled, I’ve thought this since day 1. Our mind has gone to the same place I imagine.

    • Pinkosaurus says:

      I agree Befuddled, her issues and fragility are certainly related to how terrible William is as a husband and person in general.

      I’m wondering how successfully his issues will get hidden by the Rota and British media during a divorce. His behavior has been so publicly contemptuous of her, and I believe every source has mentioned his incandescent temper even as they bend themselves in knots trying to make it seem like a positive attribute.

      Kate and the Middletons will be absolutely silenced during the divorce even if they don’t get a big settlement just to secure continued access to the kids.

    • sparrow says:

      I agree but perhaps I’m more of the indirect link rather than an immediate one? I think the stress of Kate’s public life and her attachment to a raging inferno of a husband has created a slow burn medical and mental crisis. I don’t see an immediate cause, but I’m always running to catch up with other people.

      • Befuddled says:

        Sparrow, it could be indirectly linked! The truth of it won’t be known for years, but my gut tells me there would be no mystery illness without a divorce, and Vice Versa.

    • StillDouchesOfCambridge says:

      They better come out with the truth. For sure shes in the deepest end of the ocean. Might have pulled a charlene/britney/melania, so they had to put on another head on her pic but gurl is clearly unwell.

    • Miranda says:

      Even if William didn’t actively cause the medical issue himself (i.e. physical harm or a breakdown caused by emotional or psychological abuse), I believe that he would cast her aside simply because he lacks the compassion to be a supportive spouse to someone with a chronic condition. Especially if it’s something “icky” like Crohn’s. There’s just no way that his hands are totally clean, or else he wouldn’t be flailing and visibly unnerved by all of this.

      • Yep I have Crohns and one heck of a terrible ex husband.He was disgusted by my condition,behaved as if it were my fault.So let me say that IF Kate has something debilitating and gross/ick/uncomfortable to talk about it would be easy to explain his recent behavior and her being hidden away.

        I cannot imagine William being sympathetic to her but more like feeling sorry for himself whatever she has.

        Somehow the two -illness/divorce are related.I would think the last year or two have become extremely stressful for Kate hence resulting in whatever is physically/mentally/emotionally wrong or whatever and Will is repulsed by her need for medical care and certainly not willing to give any support or care towards her.

      • Gabby says:

        Marriage to him would kill anyone a little bit each day.

    • Jais says:

      But there was divorce chatter before December and before January. I don’t think the medical procedure caused the idea of divorce. Did it hasten the possibility of it or slow it down is the question?

      • SussexWatcher says:

        Jais – I think it gave Pegs the clear opening he needed. It seems like the current narrative is all about how fragile she is, so I’m convinced he’ll use this as the “reason” for the divorce. He could easily push a narrative that it’s more important for her to be out of the spotlight and take care of her self and they came to a mutual agreement that the best thing for the family is to divorce. This will relieve her of any public pressure to work or even be seen.

        I was going to say that he could so easily spin it as some great sacrifice he’s making for her benefit…but after the week we’ve seen, he’ll screw this up too.

        TL;DR: I think the health mess has hastened the divorce by giving him a clear opening.

      • Normades says:

        Agree with Sussexwatcher. You see that in the framing of the narrative as it went from programmed surgery to how Kate “fell ill”.

      • pottymouth pup says:

        do they not see how objectively bad it looks if they divorce because she is fragile/not physically well? If he wanted to divorce her without looking like an utter ogre, he should have done it prior to this medical issue because doing so after looks really awful. The only way to get around the optics of dumping his fragile/ill wife would be to say that there really never was any sort of health crisis and that the planned surgery & recovery was all a front to hide the collapsing marriage leading to divorce from the public which also has really bad optics for the royals. At this point, the only way to save face is to continue the ruse with whatever their out of view separation while continuing to pretend to live together and pretending that they’re working for at least a few more years, and then he could divorce her without everything being so suspect

      • BlueNailsBetty says:

        @PottymouthPup Hard agree. The whole point of most marriages is to have a life partner…through the good times and the bad times. William ditching Kate die to medical issues is beyond abhorrent.

        Also, seeing him divorce her over medical issues, how could any future potential girlfriend or wife trust him to step up and be supportive if something happened to them?

      • TN Democrat says:

        Will-not and Keen were quietly headed toward a divorce and have been separated at least since around the time Queen Elizabeth died. (Que Meghan not being “allowed” to go with Harry to Balmoral when QE died because Keen had the “school run,” when in reality William didn’t want Kate there. King Charles’s first act as King was covering the heir by sacrificing the spare. Harry couldn’t be with his wife if Wiiliam wasn’t with his so, Meghan got thrown to the rota). Keen’s medical (or mental health) issues put a kibosh on the divorce because William will look like a cad for divorcing an ill Khate, but Charles has cancer. If the divorce doesn’t happen before Charles passes, the divorce will be nearly impossible.

      • Giddy says:

        This is especially abhorrent to me. I’m old fashioned, but he did take vows for better or worse. He will someday be head of the Church of England. Like his father before him, his vows meant nothing when he decided to ditch a problematic spouse.

      • Stonecoldjaneausten says:

        @TNDEMOCRAT I have been thinking the same thing – that they need to divorce before Charles passes, or else they won’t be able to divorce once William is crowned king.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        We knew they were separating when we first learned about Adelaide. But I still don’t think they will divorce. William can live his life however he wants and Kate will put up with it. Plus, William cannot stand to be viewed as a failure and he won’t want to admit that his marriage is a failure — *especially* since Harry has such a happy marriage. If Harry’s marriage had ended, maybe then William would feel free to divorce, having his marriage out-last his brother’s (which could explain why Harry’s happy marriage upsets William so much).

        The only reason I could see for William to get a divorce is if his bad marriage is threatening his legacy. If this latest fiasco, plus the screaming and throwing things at his wife (i.e., emotional and physical abuse), and his wife being named a royal racist, etc. become all that history will remember him for, then he might need a clean start. And that do-over could include a new marriage.

        But it’s all about image. Charles needed to marry Camilla to “justify” why he cheated on Diana and got a divorce. William will need something to re-set his image too. But that may or may not mean divorce, I think he’s still evaluating.

      • julie jules says:

        When was there NOT divorce chatter about those two? Remember when Prince Louis was the fix it baby?

    • SussexWatcher says:

      I disagree. I think the divorce has been a long time coming evidenced by the “hot” single dad ready to mingle with the school mums narrative being forced down our throats, Huevo with a Peg of Top’s increasingly irritated responses to Keen’s ass grabs (or just her presence in general), and maybe mostly importantly, her (and only her) move into Adelaide Cottage.

      He’s been trying to detach the Limpet for ages.

      • Yes I also think divorce has been coming for a while but whatever Kate’s medical crisis if there is one is the final straw for William like he’s just going to keep her out of public life and then they’ll announce separation then divorce.

    • Kitty says:

      I.agree, l.may have mentioned this previously way back in Jan.but l heard on the radio from a celeb writer that there would be a big separation announcement in the NY and it was NOT Harry and Megan and it would come as a surprise to lots of people, the next day it was annouced that Kate was in a clinic in London !! When l heard this about Kate l immediately went ha ha there you go , in ture Middleton fashion , no way is she letting this public separation happen ………hence William stress in public

      Here, even Piers Morgan and his panel.are talking openly about tension in their marriage and about everything is been covered up by the Palace !!

      • bettyrose says:

        @Kitty – That’s pretty juicy, especially the not H & M part. I mean, no one thinks they’re separating, but why even mention them if it’s just some celeb couple that’s splitting up?

    • Shawna says:

      “What do I have to do to make you agree to divorce?”

    • Is medical issue maybe a new term for DV that is directly linked to divorce? My guess is yes.

      • Maria T. says:

        I think so too.

      • Jaded says:

        I agree. And it wasn’t a one-time thing either. I think, at least verbally, he was abusive to Kate all along, hence the stories of their epic pillow-throwing fights and Kate standing her ground. Some of her classmates from uni have stated that Willbur was rude and verbally abusive to her way back then and they couldn’t understand why she’d stay with someone like that. We all know it was the cachet of being royal and the FFQ. But there seems to have been a “culminating event”, either her illness or something darker, that ended any attempt at patching up their sad excuse of a marriage back together.

      • Renae says:

        I agree. Every time I tried to mention it, my post were taken down.
        Guess now its ok? Cause what I saw in the rental car pic was not the ‘moon face’ of steroids but a slowly healing wired jaw.

      • ChristineM65 says:

        Hard agree that it’s DV and @Renae, I’ve also tried to post that several times over these last few months and my posts have also been removed. I knew it the very minute her ‘surgery’ was announced. As a DV survivor myself, I see my ex abuser in Wills all over the place. The signs were there all along and Harry’s recounting of Wills attacking him just solidified it.

      • ChristineM65. Glad you got out and are ok. This subject needs to come to light.

      • bettyrose says:

        Deargawd. If true, Kate was groomed since adolescence to marry a man who was then horrifically abusive to her. This story shouldn’t be happening in the 21st century. And if this is all true, it needs to out. Whatever we think of Kate, there is no excuse to protect an abuser, even if he’s the king.

      • ChristineM65 says:

        Will put his finger straight in Meg’s face (warning sign), the mysterious black eye on Anne’s hubby, Charles is afraid to talk to his son, the way he gives Kate those looks and quiet whispering in her ear (warning her to straighten up)…I’m sure there are many others as well.

        I think Charles let the cancer diagnosis out at Christmas and Will started flailing as he’s losing control of how ‘he wants’ things to go and he lost it on Kate, badly. I’m sure she was trying to calm him down and he lashed out, again badly…

        Happened to me more times than I can count. My ex’s family also walked on eggshells around him and his temprament and once it was known about my and my son’s situation (we were taken to a DV shelter because he finally injured my son badly enough) the pieces fell in to place for some of his family.

        In the royal circle though, I’m sure it was an open secret. But curious how none of the other royals really wants to be around him huh?

        He’s a straight up narcissistic abuser and I feel sorry for the kids. I feel a tiny bit sorry for Kate because no one deserves to be abused but her mom pushed her in to it (a whole other abusive situation with a narcissistic parent)

    • Polly says:

      I was thinking that the following might fit: Charles is diagnosed much earlier than reported. Regardless of how favorable the true prognosis might be, perhaps Peg heard “cancer” and immediately panicked about the possibility of taking the lead job sooner than anticipated. Perhaps the idea of divorce is real, but they were planning to take plenty of time with it. Maybe they planned to do it once the kids were much older. My feeling is that Peg would want the divorce but Buttons/Midds would NOT.
      What if KC and Peg had a sit down at Christmas and Peg agreed to some things if KC agreed to green light fast tracking the divorce. They’d want it done well before Peg gets the gig. Following this theory, Peg tells Buttons on 12/28 that her services are no longer needed effective SOON, and she either reacts, or has a reaction that puts her in the hospital.

      • Laura D says:

        @Polly – I agree with almost all of your post except when he told her! I think he told her shortly after the Christmas Day walk and then disappeared with whoever to wherever! I honestly don’t think William was anywhere near Kate when the ambulances were called. I think the realisation that it was truly all over caused her to have a complete mental breakdown and she tried to do the unthinkable. It wouldn’t surprise me if he even told her to do it and she did. Hence why he’s been so out of sorts these past few weeks.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Polly, I think your theory makes the most sense— that he told her he wanted a divorce, and either 1) she tried to…I don’t need to spell it out, or 2) it caused her to have a complete mental breakdown.

        At the same time, William is cracking under the pressure at the realization that he might become the monarch far sooner than he expected. Because I’ve heard that Charles’s illness is much more serious or advanced that the public has been led to believe.

        @Spicecake 38, ITA with your comment above that no matter what the issue is with Kate, William’s concern is himself, not Kate. I agree 100% that if it is something “icky,” he’s feeling sorry for *himself* for having to even deal with it, and not for Kate, who’s actually suffering from it. And if whatever it is delayed his divorce plans, he’s doubly angry.

        But at the end of the day he only cares about how whatever is going on with Kate affects him and his plans. Which is actually really sad, considering they’ve been together since college and even if he’s not in love with her anymore, I’d think he’d still love her in some way, and she is the mother of his three children.

        I know that Kate is most definitely not a good person and I’d never defend her behavior toward Meghan because it was inexcusable, but I automatically feel sorry for any woman who’s been with a man this long only to be discarded when he decided he was done with her.

      • TMH says:

        @renae I just re-looked at the picture of her and mummzy in the car and I 100% agree!!

      • Feeshalori says:

        Lorelei, imagine being in a marriage where your husband decides when he pulls the plug on it and you don’t know when that day will happen. Because these privileged and entitled men don’t marry for love but expediency, and when your usefulness is over, you’re out. It’s just horrible and I hope Kate felt it was worth it.

    • Anna M says:

      I think the medical issue is cover for a divorce. Kate is just saving face by hiding while negotiations are going on.

    • Mustang Sally says:

      If I had to guess: She will be “unable” to return to royal duties due to her illness and she will “step down” for the good of the monarchy and get a divorce so as to not hobble William in any way. I think they are trying to concoct a way for them to divorce that does not smack of Charles & Di (e.g., infidelity, unhappiness, estrangement, etc.) – she will take one for the team. They seem to already be throwing her out into traffic.

      • Ewissa says:

        They were some posts online with headlines Kate is stepping down from public role.
        I dont know where it was posted but saw at least 2 tiktoks referencing the article

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “she will take one for the team.”

        With a big fat settlement and severance package.

    • Jenepooh says:

      I want to know what UNCLE GARY meant after he was asked about the “where’s Kate” stuff on Big Brother, he said something to the effect of if the palace puts out an announcement he will share his opinion “about it”. It’s clear they’re all keeping quiet because the know the depth of what is about to happen. I’m convince that Harry flew out a couple of weeks ago to be forced to sign an NDA.

      • Square2 says:

        Sign what NDA now? If BP & KP don’t want Harry say anything re the Wails, they can easily not tell Harry anything. The Palace has a long record of lying and misleading Harry.

  2. Aimee says:

    I still don’t believe that they would actually divorce until after Charles passes.

    • Renee says:

      I think the opposite. Much, much easier to divorce as Prince of Wales than King. There is precedent with Charles.

      • Christine says:


      • Jeanne says:

        agree. i think that’s why this is all happening so fast and messily.
        I actually think William found out about Charles’s cancer before everyone and that’s why he brought up the divorce after christmas. William probably thought he was being gentlemanly giving Kate one more happy family christmas before throwing this at her!

      • Shawna says:

        @Jeanne – agreed that the Christmas timing is significant. I had been assuming that the link was that Kate did have some kind of breakdown because of the stress of going through the whole holiday spectacle at Sandringham. She lasted just long enough to do the church walk, then collapsed in some way.

      • Feebee says:

        @Renee you make a great point and @Jeanne very interesting where you ran with it. Totally believable.

      • Normades says:

        Excellent points and I’m totally on board with this theory. Wills wants this divorce before Chuck passes and he’s even ok with going full nuclear (Rose stories, PR messes) to get it

      • swirlmamad says:

        Yep. Agreed.

    • seaflower says:

      I think William would want it over and settled so K has no claim to a Queen title or appearing at a coronation. It is all about him after all.

      • Lorelei says:

        Totally agree that William would want the divorce done while he’s still PoW.

        And his erratic behavior for the past couple of months can definitely be explained by this, imo. He thought he was set to go ahead with the divorce in 2024, and becoming king was still something far off in his future. But then Charles’s and Kate’s medical issues ended up changing all of his plans, and he can’t take the pressure. So we’ve started to see the day drinking, etc.

      • The Hench says:

        If William is going to divorce her he will ABSOLUTELY want to do it before he becomes King. When Charles dies, William will inherit over £500million tax free. Ma Midds and Kate will then have a claim on that. I’d like to bet that, knowing Charles is iller than revealed, CarolE and Kate are doing EVERYTHING they can to stall divorce until that happens. Then there’s a whole more heap of money to go at. OR – Carole is using that possibility as a bargaining tool to get the best deal from Pegs now.

        If Kate refuses to divorce the process takes two years. I’d lay money Charles doesn’t have that long and CarolE is using that. This is why Willy looks like he’s been dug up.

      • Feeshalori says:

        This is why I thought Charles would hold off giving William the POW title, so that if he was going to divorce Kate, it would be before she became princess of Wales and a step closer to the throne. And then William would become POW. But because that didn’t happen, William probably sees the writing on the wall with his father’s health and is rushing to divorce Kate before he becomes king so she won’t be QC. And I agree that Kate and her mom are using whatever stall tactics to prevent
        it and run that time out.

    • TigerMcQueen says:

      It’s actually the opposite. It’s much harder to divorce Kate then, since Will will be head of the Church of England at that point.

      • Tessa says:

        Divorce of charles and diana was considered impossible. But Charles a divorced man married a divorced woman and is head of the church.

      • Agnes says:

        The Church of England was founded by the ultimate divorcé (or serial killer, take your pick) Henry VIII. So that cold lump of Baldness Bill is in fine company whenever he and Kate split. I can’t imagine him having a mistress, that implies love and passion, though I can see him paying for a dominatrix.

      • BlueNailsBetty says:

        @Agnes I can’t see him with a mistress, either. I really think one of William’s big secrets is him being gay (or bisexual leaning toward men). I think he has severe daddy issues and he seeks out father figures and that Rose is a willing beard for William and her husband.


        Also, LOL at Henry VIII being a serial killer. Perfect. 10/10. No notes.

      • Eurydice says:

        @Tessa – Charles was able to divorce Diana because that’s what Elizabeth wanted. BP, the government and the church all considered Diana a threat to the monarchy. And the church decided then that a divorced king could become the head of the church. Once Diana died, Charles was free to remarry in the church, but he couldn’t marry Camilla because her ex-husband was still alive. The church changed that rule in 2002, but I think that when Charles married Camilla in 2006 it was a civil ceremony.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @BlueNailsBetty – I have always thought the same thing…..Rose is a beard for William and a same-sex relationship.

        Though I have many-many made jokes about Peggington and David Cholmondeley before, I do not see David with Peggington as David is way too cultured and intelligent to be interested in him.

      • maisie says:

        once the coronation takes place, it can’t be undone. only death. If Kate had a crown put on her head, she’s queen for life.

      • Nic919 says:

        Henry VIII got rid of a few queens so it is possible. And now the stigma around divorce isn’t what it was even 40 years ago.

        But William wants this done now. He’s been signalling this since 2021.

      • Berkeleyfarm says:

        @Eurydice – Charles and Camilla did marry in a civil ceremony and had a church “blessing of a civil marriage” afterwards.

        I will note (because I am a church liturgy nerd and my jaw dropped) that the religious service had a rite of repentance at the beginning. My understanding is that something similar is common for remarrying in Orthodox Christian tradition (whether divorce or no) and Charles son of Phil the Greek is very in tune with Orthodox Christianity but it blew my mind in an Anglican context.

        I’d have to check with my vicar friend about “church marriages after divorce” in England. One thing a lot of my American clergy friends (who can do what they like on this) say is that they would likely not do the ceremony if the partners had been in an affair before that had broken up the previous marriage. (But some might thread the pastoral needle by allowing a “church blessing” afterwards.)

    • ohwell says:

      I still do not believe they are divorcing.

      All of this brouhaha is because they cannot control social media and KP communications is arrogant. They have the British press under their thumb but social media is a different beast.

      • TRex says:

        @ohwell – I completely agree. Wondering what will happen if we don’t see her by Easter of shortly after. The media will be frothing.

      • Lorelei says:

        @OhWell, and it looks like they’re quickly losing control of even the British press at this point

    • Lolo86lf says:

      Big Question: Will Kate have a chance of becoming queen? If King Charles dies and she is still married to William then she automatically becomes queen right?

      • Tessa says:

        Caroline was still married but estranged from prince George. She did not become queen consort to George the fourth. He locked her out of his coronation.

      • Alix says:

        Yes. The coronation is a formality.

      • equality says:

        When QE died, Cam was listed as Queen Consort on the royal website. After the coronation they listed her as “Queen”. I imagine Kate would automatically become QC.

      • Tessa says:

        It was a given Camilla would automatically become queen. The complication would have come had they been estranged and wanted to end the marriage.

      • Tessa says:

        George the fourth wanted the marriage to end and tried all sorts of legislation. Caroline passed away a short time after being locked out of the coronation.

      • BlueNailsBetty says:

        Others have answered the constitutional and legal-ish issues so I’ll answer the financial issue: the PoW would get a decent pay off in the event of a divorce. If Kate makes it to Queen (with or without the consort addition) her divorce payoff sky rockets into unfathomable wealth.

        So yes, tightwad William wants her gone before he becomes king.

        Also, he has hated her for a long time (probably since he was forced to marry her since no one else wanted him). He wants her gone, like, yesterday.

      • equality says:

        I don’t know that he’s hated her since their marriage, but he has definitely never respected her, even as a girlfriend.

    • Chelsea says:

      If divorce is really on the table i think it wokld happen sooner rather than later because while Charles set prefedent for being a divorced King a part of that was marrying Camilla and convincing the peasants that she was his true love. If William were to get divorced he would need to remarry before he ascenda because i don’t think the idea of a single King would go over well. He needs a wife to sell a happy family image.

      • sparrow says:

        Agree. If they divorce, and I’m still not quite on that page yet, it’d need to be sooner rather than later in order to sort out the constitutional ‘stuff’. The thought of a coronation and then a divorce. No. Also, my feeling is, should the marriage fall apart, William would throw his cards in the air and say I’m off. He looks at the very end of his patience with her and the whole institution. Perhaps this is why Edward isn’t looking his best – because it’d be him up next more than likely.

      • Robert Phillips says:

        I agree. But I was honestly expecting Charles to hold off on making William Prince of Wales. So they could get divorced and Kate wouldn’t have even gotten that title. But I think they had to because Wales was really pushing to not be part of the commonwealth. So Charles went ahead.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Chelsea, that’s a good point— when Charles got divorced, he had someone the public was already familiar with (even if she was despised) waiting in the wings. All Charles had to do was wait enough time to endear her to the public (which I don’t think would or will ever happen). But with enough time and money, he managed to at least make her somewhat palatable as his consort.

        William doesn’t have that, unless we’re in the beginning of a slow rollout of Rose Hanbury, but I do not believe for even *one second* that Rose would leave her cushy life to go live in that insane, dysfunctional fishbowl and all of the cruel scrutiny that comes with it.

        And if rumors are to be believed, William no longer has enough time to remarry before becoming king, unless there’s another longtime mistress that he’s been able to keep totally hidden and under wraps. The same source that confirmed (well, “confirmed,” because obviously we don’t know anything for sure) that a colostomy bag was Kate’s issue also claimed that Charles was given about a year. So if any of this is true, William is stuck. And knowing what we do about William, he will handle everything as poorly as possible.

        ETA: fwiw, the source I’m referring to is mentioned in the most recent episode of Kristen Meinzer‘s “Daily Fail” podcast. Which is definitely worth a listen, imo!

    • snappyfish says:

      I don’t believe they will ever divorce. She isn’t going anywhere if she can help it & he wants to look better than his father. As for her ab surgery, the time line is pretty consistent of one who needed a temporary ileostomy bag & then needed reversal surgery. It’s a tough go of it. I didn’t need an ileostomy for my ab surgery but it was about 6 weeks before I could stand up straight. As for her ring. If she is on steroids she is probably riddled with edema. Just a thought but every one wanted to know where Meghan’s ring was & it returned in due time.

    • Daisy says:

      Perhaps, if the rumors are true that W’s current mistress is pregnant, W is desperate to divorce K as soon as humanly possible so he could quietly marry the mistress to make the baby “legitimate.” K wants to stall the divorce as long as possible, and is refusing to sign divorce papers or be seen.

  3. Seraphina says:

    That was my question too: If you are going to manipulate a picture – many many times over- why forget the blue ring?????
    I too now think this may be headed to a divorce announcement. Twitter is all abuzz that Rose is getting a soft launch in the press and that William is his father’s son. He is being raked over the coals. Rightly so.
    And WaPo supposedly put in a cartoon of wills pulling a wooden Kate silhouette in the palace window.
    And Twitter this morning: FakeyKatey, KateGate, RoyalMess

    • acha says:

      what’s weird is that the article blamed their stress on the queen’s death. really though? really? you don’t photoshop out Big Blue because your grandma-in-law died!

    • Pinkosaurus says:

      Here’s a gift link to the WaPo cartoon, enjoy!

      I think it really captures his panicked incompetence.

    • Shawna says:

      There is no way Rose is going to leave her husband, house, and life. I think it’s more that people know William is in a weak position right now, so it’s safer now than it was in the past to remind people that William is not a good husband. And people on Twitter who didn’t hear the rumor before are misreading what the resurfacing of the rumor is trying to signal.

      • Agnes says:

        Yes, I bet Rose was initially used, in 2019, to provide cover for something Bill did, much darker than a mere affair, and I doubt we’ll ever know what. The Queen tried to reward her for her service by including her in that Church Walk where David Rocksavage looked like he was about to die from severe internal laughter. Her house is like a fairytale dream, and William has the SA of a snail.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Pegginton’s relationship with Rose is over and has been for a long time.

        There is someone new on the scene to which Peggington is having an affair with.

    • Lee says:

      Last night on twitter I saw tabloid headlines about Rose’s marriage now ending in divorce, due to it coming out that their daughter is actually William’s. So the plot thickens.

      • Agnes says:

        That story appeared in the Spanish rag Marca last April, and never came true.

      • Louisa says:

        I believe Rose’s marriage is one of convenience. Her husband is 20 years older and spends half the year with his male friend in France. I honestly don’t see her having another man’s child be a deal breaker, especially if that man is the future king.
        I’m not sure I believe she had William’s child but either way, as others have said, no way is she leaving the comfortable life she has now to join that family.

      • Shawna says:

        @Louisa – it does seem a marriage of convenience. They seem like very good friends, though, which is fortunate. And if it’s a marriage of convenience, there’s no reason to break it up. It’s only if you are a person who marries for love that you would divorce someone to supposedly be with the person you’re meant to be with. Trying to force the idea that William and Rose are perfect for each other won’t work as well as it did with Charles and Camilla.

      • Jaded says:

        That story is nothing but salacious gossip. Not an ounce of truth in it. Rose and David have a solid marriage and apparently give themselves the freedom to conduct it however they wish. They have a gorgeous home, a good life together, and seem to be best friends. And let’s not forget, David is Charles’s Lord-in-Waiting, a very powerful position after his term as Lord Great Chamberlain, there’s no way Rose would throw away all of that on a warthog like Willbur.

      • Lorelei says:

        I have no idea what the state of Rose’s marriage actually is; I’ve always been under the impression that it was a marriage of convenience, but who knows.

        But I would be *beyond shocked* if Rose ever went public with William.
        IDK if they’re still carrying on any sort of affair or not, but either way, I cannot imagine her walking away from the basically perfect life she currently has to willingly join this sh!tshow.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Jaded along with that, lets remember that Rose’s oldest son will be GLC when William is king. I mean I know the british aristocracy is messy but that seems like another level, for the son to have to bring the crown into parliament for the man for whom his mother left his father? I mean maybe not the messiest but awkward. It’s going to be awkward enough with all the rumors, even if people have forgotten about them in 10-20 years.

        (or if william becomes king sooner and David is GLC again for William…..awkward.)

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Becks! – Agree with you 100%. The Cholmondeleys have NOTHING to do with latest round of news stories on Pegs & Wigs. The Cholmondeleys are being used as a diversion. The Cholmondeleys probably cannot care less about this latest Royal gossip explosion as all the aristocracy (their friends), RRs and tabloid writers KNOW the truth. AND the truth has NOTHING to do with the Cholmondeleys.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Agree with those saying that Rose/Cholmondeleys have nothing to with the Wail’s current situation. The WanK’s problems were happening at least a decade ago.

        Sorry Sarah Vine, stop with the let’s pretend this wasn’t happening for a very long time. They’ve been telegraphing for years. fyi, long before Harry fell in love with the beautiful, intelligent, American and biracial Meghan.

        One of you rota rats need to finally acknowledge that Harry wasn’t part of a happy ‘threesome”, gag, he was a buffer between a problematic marriage.

        Regardless of Kate’s situation, the F*cK heir to the throne needs mental health therapy along with his anger issues.imo

  4. Liz says:

    I think Kate’s stress or illness is a symptom of their unfurling marriage. The inability to decide whether to be all in or all out.

    Sarah Vine’s ex husband was at one time Rose Hanbury’s boss.

    Though I go by what Mary Pester concludes – these days it’s not Rose who is the thorn in Kate’s side.

    Another great post kaiser 👌

    • sparrow says:

      Agree, Liz. Her medical crisis seems to be the end point of an unhealthy marriage; cause and effect. I also suspect the affair isn’t Rose. MaryP has been indicating someone else (have I got this right, Mary?, I hate to put words in someone else’s mouth). It seems to be a woman close to the family, which would make sense – proximity, and the understanding of his role and the need for privacy. I always thought it’d be someone totally different from his set – perhaps the banker or woman in a taxi?! It’s day 4 and I’m losing my bearings. It’s all gone a bit Cluedo in my brain.

      • Shawna says:

        She told us to watch the seating arrangement for Easter IIRC. And was it she who hinted that the current crisis is linked to an illegitimate child (referencing Anne’s first husband)?

      • Dandelion2 says:

        I recall Mary P. mentionning Sophie and Edward.
        She asked where are they when discussing Balmoral, hinding a sidepiece, pregnancy, etc. Could the woman close to the family be related to S&E?

      • Lauren says:

        What if the affair is with Sophie?

    • TarteAuCitron says:

      Ooooh, interesting! I figured Sarah Vine knew some insider royal titbits through her ex-husband. I didn’t know ol’ Govey was that close to David Rocksavage.

    • bonitamamcita says:

      I always wondered if this valet hire ( was really to allow cover for the affair. Either because the valet is in charge of managing clandestine meet ups with the current “thorn” in Kate’s side – – unless the valet is the thorn??

  5. LadyE says:

    I don’t actually believe this, but there’s this small part of me that wonders if Kate really did edit the photo (and she did it *because* William did actually take it) just to totally f*ck it up knowing it would cause all this. Again, I don’t really think this, but the missing rings are imo the strongest evidence that Kate did edit the photo as a massive F U to Will.

    • Shawna says:

      I just don’t think Kate is bright enough to think of that. I think William expressly approved a picture without the wedding ring to spite Kate and show her that the divorce is going to happen one way or another.

    • Emilia says:

      The metadata shows the base image was taken on a very sophisticated, professional camera that is quite difficult for the un-trained to use, so doesn’t seem likely that William took it. (But I don’t pay close enough attention to know if he’s secretly some sort of photo genius!)

      • Becks1 says:

        And wasn’t it taken in manual setting, not auto? He didn’t just point and shoot. which makes sense if either Kate took it (and she’s not in the original picture), or if a professional took it months ago.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Except @Emilia, (I’m just based on being basic with words), the metadata isn’t from the base image, which I might be interpreting as the original image. Wrongfully so? I’m cool with being wrong, not very technical.

        Whatever it is, it was enough for very high profile news agencies to call bs on a photo credited to William having took. But, the mish mosh pish posh of the questions regarding the authenticity of the photo, are being blamed on Kate, who is supposedly recovering from surgery. Da*n, sounding like I’m defending Kate isn’t in my nature. At all. Rarely have said anything nice about her. Most likely, the nicest thing I’ve said is that she seems to love her children. Her supposed “fans” haven’t defended her much or said anything negative against William/KP. Hmmmmmm.

    • Lorelei says:

      @LadyE, I would love so much for this to be true, but unfortunately I agree with Shawna that Kate simply isn’t sharp enough to come up with a plan like that.

      @Shawna, I hadn’t thought of that, but now that you point out the fact that William must have approved the ring-less photo, yikes.
      Unless he’s so lazy that he just told the staff to come up with something to post for Mother’s Day and didn’t have anything to do with it, but if that was the case, I don’t think any staff member would exclude the ring on their own and risk his wrath. So it must have been something that William specifically wanted. Which means…!!

  6. Digital Unicorn says:

    I personally think she and Ma are using the ‘planned operation’ to stall and buy time to try and work out a deal for her to stay married however it won’t work as its clear he wants out of the marriage and these health problems will be used as the reason – they’ve been setting it up to paint her as too unwell to be a full time working senior royal. She won’t be Queen Consort no matter how much she and Ma try to cling on long enough for that to happen. The status, titles and Duchy money are all Kate and her family care about. If Carole truly loved her daughter she would get her away from William.

    William desperately wants to compete with Harry and he know’s he can’t do that with Waity who is just so bad at the job. Based on Mary P’s tea it makes you wonder who he has lined up as her replacement and if she’s already royal adjacent in some way (and no I don’t think its Rose).

    • equality says:

      Agree. Not Rose. They are just putting her out as distraction so the new woman won’t have the stain that Cam has as the sidepiece. He will claim to meet her after divorce.

      • sunny says:

        Not Rose but I do wonder if The Other Brother did find someone new? Obviously, he’s had a few mistresses and their was that rumour about the lawyer in London but I do wonder if all the stress and strain we saw on his racist, miserable wife last year was because Wills was not happy anymore with just the separation(I like many of us here have suspected they’ve been separated for a few years) and now was pushing for divorce.

        Last year had too many red flags and now this disaster? I believe Kate is deeply unwell(her stalking and copying of any woman in TOB’s life is a symptom) and I think she definitely has a physical condition but also a mental one as well. I know many of us speculated something terrible happened at Christmas and TOB might have gotten physical with her but maybe it was as simple as him finally demanding they call it quits so he can be with someone else? Kate has spent the better part of the last 5-6 years holding on to this marriage by her fingernails because she wants the title and crown and now to have it seemingly pulled away when it is so close? Yikes.

        I have no sympathy for any of them. All parties involved are terrible. I hope that the kids and nanny Maria are doing ok though.

      • Kitty says:

        Sunny, agree, do you remember in their engagement interview she spoke about them breaking up and she said she took it v badly and actually ended up in therapy for a while, now that is before the engagment so one can only image what she would be like if William.wanted out of the royal marriage. ??

    • Cali says:

      I think the deal Carole is working on is to get a generous divorce settlement for Kate and ongoing paid security for her.
      Look at the peanuts that Fergie got. Diana got a decent severance package and that’s the Middleton end game.
      Also I think whatever went down between Kate and William prior to the announced surgery was very big. I don’t think they can fake things anymore. William definitely can’t hide his feelings and I think he actively dislikes her at this point. And Kate has been on a downward spiral for a while now. How she is living is not sustainable.

      • Jais says:

        If that’s what’s going on, then I actually support Carole’s backbone bc Kate should get security if there’s a divorce. Interesting that Harry’s Security case could have helped her had he won. There will be an appeal though.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Kate’s need for security and the Sussexes need for security are two different things.

        The Commentariat of The Fail, BREXITERS, and other garden variety racists do not hate Kate. William divorcing Kate will not make the Commentariat of The Fail, BREXITERS and other garden variety racists hate Kate.

        Also, after what happened with Diana, Kate will have official palace protection security for the rest of her life to protect her and watch (spy on) her.

      • Jais says:

        Well when you put it like that @ bay Tampa bay, it makes sense. So security might not be as much of an issue as I was foreseeing it.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Also, the children will reside with Kate until they marry so security will be extra tight around the heir, spare and Louis until George marries and has his own heir.

        Security wise, Wiggington has nothing to worry about.

    • Jeanne says:

      i agree. the very first day they announced kate’s operation there was a tweet that basically said “william asked for a divorce and kate ran to her mom and ma mid came up with the operation/sickness idea to stall.” William cannot divorce a sick woman and he can’t divorce a woman he can’t find either.

      i believe the middleton released the TMZ photo to show a “sick Kate” and William’s people got mad and doctored the mother’s day pic to show a “healthy Kate.” Again, William needs her healthy for a divorce.

      Now that Kate is still refusing to play ball and fall in line, William is resorting to the “mentally sick/can’t cope with being royal anymore” nonsense. I honestly don’t see how Ma Midd can counter it now. I think she got outplayed. However, I’m anxious to see how she reacts. Because she will react. Kate wants the crown. Hell, even at this point, I think she deserves it. The woman hasn’t eaten more than 1000 calories a day in 15 years!

      • sid says:

        Jeanne, interesting about that tweet. That possibility crossed my mind too because of that gossip item that dropped in November/ December saying that a royal divorce would be announced around January. At the time I immediately thought of the Wailses. In January the prince and princess of Albania did end up announcing a divorce apparently, but I highly doubt the blind was referencing them. Who would care?

        I’ll just say that if this all really is a Middleton ploy, they should count themselves lucky that Willileaks is an idiot who surrounds himself with sycophantic idiots. A shrewd person with a strong PR team would be able to flip this around on the Middletons in a flash.

      • MaryContrary says:

        I don’t think her illness/surgery was faked. BP had stated that Charles visited her in the hospital on his way to his own procedure. He’s not going to blatantly cover for William in that manner.

      • sid says:

        Mary, Chuck might not lie to help Willileaks but he would certainly lie to make himself look good.

      • Shawna says:

        Carole will think of something! She has lost a lot recently and won’t take kindly to her daughter’s crown being removed. Her life’s work is being undone. Reserve some popcorn for sometime next year. Godspeed, Carole, get your revenge!

      • Bananie says:

        @Jeanne I believe this is it 1000%

        So many are operating under the assumption that there *was* an actual surgery
        the “surgery” is just part of the ham-fisted obfuscation and it certainly got EVERYONE speculating for weeks while things were happening behind the scenes.

      • Magdalena says:

        @MaryContrary, no, BP did not state or confirm that Charles visited Kate in hospital. That rumour came from the daily heil in one of their usual “it is *thought* that Charles visited Kate before his procedure” and after a few repetitions it became “fact”. Neither side has denied it because it suits their purpose. I am of the view that IF she was ever at the London clinic she was long gone by the time KC checked in.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        The surgery could be anything. All they said was “planned” and “not cancer.” There are many elective surgeries that Kate could have chosen to stall for time, a tummy tuck (not that I think she needs one), a hysterectomy, a mole removal, hemorrhoid removal, etc.

        Up until now, I’ve thought that she might be treated for something mental like an eating disorder, which would explain the vague announcement — because mental treatment is an on-going thing, her absence would have been noticed at some point, and thus they HAD to issue some type of statement, but vague enough that people won’t know what it is. However, if the surgery was a way to head off a divorce, then then announcement also makes sense — Kate NEEDED the public to know that she has health issues, while still not willing to release any actual details. So now I don’t know what to think.

    • Becks1 says:

      I don’t think its Rose either at this point. I think the fact that even the American press is talking so openly about Rose is because they know she’s out of the picture but there is someone else – so they’re using this old tea to connect the dots.

      • Where'sMyTiara says:

        I think the reason they’re trying to hush up who inveterate propagandist Will Jong Un is with, is because the “scandal” is that his new romantic partner is not female. They’re trotting out Rose b/c she’s either A) safely old news, OR B) she’s a beard for whomever W is really seeing on the side.

        Huevos Rageros cheating was never going to bring down the monarchy. Cluck is testament to that. Huevo having a Piers Gaveston moment, on the other hand… I think they’d struggle to sell that to conservative Britain.

        No one seems to be willing to ask the deeper questions about Christian Jones, such as why William and his father were willing to cut a PRINCE OF THE BLOOD, a brother and son no less, off from the royal family to protect Jones, and why was Will in the car with Jones the day he set off for London Clinic for the pap photo op, despite supposedly no longer being his private secretary?

        ‘I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives, I can’t do it anymore,’ Will Jong Un said in January of 2020. He didn’t want his brother to have a partner that saw the family abuse with clarity, because that could help Harry get free. He’s also never wanted Harry to have anything better than what he had. And Harry’s media court cases threatened a close confidante (and possible lover). There’s lots of reasons that can be found for the rift between the brothers, and most of them center themselves in William’s character, bizarre life choices, and biases.

      • pottymouth pup says:


        If the issue is that Huevos Rageros (I’m dying at this moniker, it’s brilliant) is involved with a man and they need a beard, why not just stay married to Kate & let her be the beard to maintain the facade? Even if they hate each other, why rock the boat with a divorce when they could easily continue to lead separate lives in private with occasional public appearances and the press would continue to cover for them? The only reason I could imagine for him to really be demanding the divorce now is because he has someone else that he is so desperate to please and that person wants him free of Kate to marry her so she can be Queen (I don’t think William would ever come out for a male love interest if he had one). The way to be able to divorce Kate now would be to say that she faked her illness or that he asked for a divorce and she ended up in the hospital due to action she took trying to emotionally blackmail him into staying in the marriage.

      • SarahCS says:

        ‘Huevos Rageros is absolutely killing me and I’ve already had a good few chuckles at todays stories and coverage. Outstanding work.

      • Becks1 says:

        Hueveos Rageros makes me want Huevos Rancheros and now I’m hungry, LOL.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “why not just stay married to Kate & let her be the beard to maintain the facade”

        @pottymouth pup – because Kate is not cosmopolitan, therefore could not navigate such a life as Rose does, because Kate as future Queen could not live the private life she would want to live and because I think Kate really does love Peggington and wants him to love her back.

    • Diamond Rottweiler says:

      Agreed. I’ve assumed one more probable theory is her absence is her major bargaining chip as the two sides work out terms.

    • windyriver says:

      @Digital Unicorn – not sure where this comment will end up so late in the day on this long thread! But I agree with your last paragraph. Someone far above said Will won’t divorce Kate because he wants to look better than his father. My opinion has always been, Will could care less about his father (who I think he resents), or a family man image (which he can still have as a divorced dad).

      Agree that for Will it’s all about looking better than/competing with Harry. I think on some level that’s always been true, certainly once they grew into adulthood. He never developed the skills to enable him to find his own direction, partly because of the failures of his upbringing, and later because, unlike Harry, he never felt he had to. That’s why competing with Harry seems to be the only thing giving Will’s life direction at this point. And part of that competition is having people envying his partner, as I believe Will envies Harry ending up with beautiful Meghan. Whether the Wales’ marriage would have survived had Harry married a more mundane, traditional woman, who knows; but he didn’t, he married someone outstanding and unique – and Will saw what he was missing with Kate. He’s been ready to move on for a long time.

  7. Reesey3 says:

    I keep going back to that cryptic we got in November or December saying essentially that a couple in the BRF would be announcing a separation/divorce and it would be shocking blah blah but that IT WASNT THE WALSES. My theory is now that meditation hit a rough spot in December- January and Kate went rogue, thus the need for an excuse as to where she was. I think where KP really messed up is that they baked in the reason as to why we wouldnt be seeing her so many months into this so called medical event.

    • Ciotog says:

      Is it possible that couple was Lady Gabriella and her now late husband?

      • Liz says:

        I thought that Ciotog but they’re not that well known that a divorce would have caused shockwaves.

        Though the timing of Thomas’s very sad death is strange too.

      • Ciotog says:

        It just feels odd that KP made it a point to say that William’s last minute absence wasn’t because of his death.

      • friday says:

        I believe that couple was King Frederick and Queen Mary of Denmark. This is an interesting one to follow— Frederik’s mother, Queen Margarethe, abdicated the throne on 1/14, announcing it ion New Year’s Eve to the shock of many. It’s pretty much openly confirmed that she did so to save the marriage of her son and daughter and law (and by extension, their line of royal family). Photos reveal that the couple was also unprepared for this announcement and did not seemed thrilled with his quickly this happened.

        It’s interesting because Margarethe was a close peer and mentee of QEII and likely knew a lot about what was going on in that family. She likely knew about problems between Kate and Will even IMO. The status of the BRF kind of holds the standard for the other European monarchs. When they fall, they will all fall. If you backtrack on the press, the Margarethe news and gossip about her son and daughter in law really filled in that time in early Jan after 12/28 and before we knew Kate had been hospitalized. It’s reminiscent of Charles/William. It almost feels like they were soft launching an idea of Charles abdicating to see how the public would respond. At minimum, Charles would have known at Christmas that Margarethe was abdicating and was surely discussed. I would not be surprised to see William become Regent at some point soon to test the waters before Charles abdicates for health reasons. Whatever the situation with Kate is, is surely related. She disappeared after an altercation and this an effort to reel her in (like what Margarethe did) or William is quickly trying to get rid of her. IMO— I don’t think William would want to divorce her and I think others in his supporting circle would be very motivated to keep this marriage going. I think he’s happy to have her playing the role of his work partner and mother of his children, entertain the public enough (but not too much), ignore her, and have fun with his mistresses. I don’t think he’ll ever truly love or respect anyone he puts in that role, I highly doubt he has any interest in replacing her. It feels like this situation started with Kate holding the cards which caused the scramble.

  8. Lolo86lf says:

    I really hope the Vine is not going to blame Queen Elizabeth II’s death for William and Kate’s impending divorce.

    • SAS says:

      No way! Not with the opportunity to drag up H&M’s departure 5 years ago!

    • Jeanne says:

      they’re going to blame Harry and Meghan. They hurt Kate’s feelings, called her a rascist and kate couldn’t cope with all the hate”

      i actually am nervous for Meghan. I think there’s going to be a crazy backlash if william and kate divorce. they have to point the finger at someone and Meghan is they’re favorite scapegoat.

      • EasternViolet says:

        Honestly, I think the response to the media about their horrible treatment of Meghan when there is so much pearl clutching about the social media dumpster fire about Kate… is making negative Meghan stories harder to sell. The whinging about Kate is having a secondary effect of really highlighting the British media’s utter hypocrisy. This week it was about how Meghan wears beige.

      • bisynaptic says:

        She’s already blaming the Sussexes.

    • Lorelei says:

      The idea of blaming W&K’s failed marriage on the death of his grandmother is so asinine and absurd that I believe the British tabloids might actually try it, lol.

      But I agree with the others that their immediate instinct will be to blame the Sussexes. For anything and everything wrong with William, Charles, the monarchy, Kate…they’ll find a way to try and trace it all back to H&M.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “will be to blame the Sussexes.”

        It will not work this time as the public will be totally pissed to the point of no return that they have been lied too. Mark my words….The Fail will take Kate’s side.

  9. Lux says:

    Letting her parents hang dry with the collapse of PP was very telling. Removing Kate from Earthshot Singapore, however, was the real harbinger of the “fade-out”. When there were first reports of Kate needing to be there only to be replaced by lame excuses of Prince George’s exam, you know they’re not on the same page. We see time and again of Kate’s side petitioning to be somewhere or voicing their intentions (Diana’s Memorial, Earthshot, George’s school etc) and then they don’t get their way. It’s sad because it shows they really have no power in the end.

    • Seraphina says:

      The Party Pieces scandal and how it was not handled by the palace was a foreshadow that all is not well with Willam and Kate.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Lux and @Seraphina, ITA, the fact that neither William nor Charles paid off the Middletons’ creditors was huge imo. Because while the amount of money required was a large sum to the small businesses that were left unpaid, it was basically a drop in the bucket for either one of them, and would have saved Kate from some humiliating press. But they made a Choice not to.

        I wonder if Charles would have handled it differently if he’d already been diagnosed with cancer when the issue came up.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Question: Does Kate not want to be around William or is it William refusing to have anything to do with Kate and is hiding her in a “sick bed”.

  10. ML says:

    Gasp! Has Sarah Vine turned her poisonous pen on the Waleses? Wow.
    I think they already live separately. However, my family thinks that they have a great marriage, and my British neighbors here in the NLs also believe that they are fairly happily married. Especially now that William has been so tenderly caring for Kate! My Trump loving conservative aunt cannot conceive a world in which H&M are lovingly together and those white Waleses are not. And she’s really sympathetic towards K right now. If they’re trying to telegraph a divorce, this is a pretty stupid way to do it if they want Peggington to look good. I’m not sure I know of anyone WanK inclined who believes that H&M made it difficult for WanK’s love life simply because they all thought it was good that H&M left! This could get amusing.

    • Moondust says:

      They could say they had separated before the planned unplanned surgery. Then they tried to reconcile because of the kids. Didn’t work blablabla. If William wants a divorce there will be a divorce.

      • ML says:

        Hopefully if either of them wanted a divorce they could get it!
        Public relations wise, this will be very interesting because K is recovering and I am serious about my relatives and the local Brits believing they have a decent relationship. KP is mind boggling in their incompetence, so I believe that they might announce a divorce soon (if wanted). This might go over like a lead balloon for them though: It looks really nasty to supposedly have a great relationship, then have a weird where’s K episode with the explanation being that she’s not well, and then BOOM divorce.

      • equality says:

        That likely is the truth anyway. He could establish that they have been living separately, I bet, for at least a year. In the fall it will be 2 years since they supposedly both moved to Adelaide.

      • Jais says:

        @ML, “hopefully if either of them want a divorce that could get it!” That’s where I’m at as well as with their health. Neither of them have looked healthy or happy together for years. The actions they’ve taken, that we know about, have been all about hurting others so that they can make themselves look better. It’s been harmful to others, particularly to Meghan and all three of her babies. So if these 2 people who have planted lies about others can somehow get themselves healthy, recover from medical issues and somehow be better people then that’s for the best. So if William or Kate truly wants a divorce, then I hope they get one. The idea of being stuck in an unwanted marriage seems horrible. If they both truly want to stay married, then I hope they do and start acting like kinder people.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        William clearly does NOT want the marriage.

        The question is: what does Kate want?

      • Lorelei says:

        @Bay, I think that no matter how unhappy she may be, Kate wants the crown. She’ll do anything she can to hold on until she’s QC. She’s dedicated her entire adult life to “achieving” this status.

    • Concern Fae says:

      Diana and Charles were publicly miserable for years and both admitted to affairs. That is why the public accepted the divorce. William and Kate have kept up the perfect marriage facade for so long that when people find out it was a lie, the backlash is going to be severe.

    • MaryContrary says:

      I haven’t seen anywhere that he’s “tenderly caring for her”. That to me is one of the biggest clues that something is truly amiss.

      • ML says:

        To clarify: I personally don’t believe he’s tenderly caring for her either. I do know that since this is what was published in January, there are a lot of people who do believe this.

      • Shawna says:

        I can’t remember what outlet it was, but there was some story about William doing a 180 in his care for Kate. The story was basically saying that at first, William was devoted and caring, but that all of a sudden he changed. It was really weird because it came out of nowhere and no one talked about the story. Probably because it wasn’t believable at all, but it was still interesting.

    • SarahCS says:

      Agreed, if you’re not playing close attention the huge ‘perfect couple’ PR line has absolutely landed with a lot of people, particularly those who lean more strongly to the right and love this type of propaganda, future king, etc.

      My (DM reading) in-laws were here last summer and somehow the Wails came up, FiL was stunned when I said that they hated each other.

      • Lorelei says:

        People who only casually follow the royals always look at me like I’m insane if the topic comes up and I say that I’m firmly on Team Meghan/Sussexes and explain why.

        Unfortunately the media has done a decent enough job on their ongoing smear campaign that they’ve gotten an enormous number of people (and in my experience, at least, people who are generally very smart and well-educated, all liberals, who typically tend to be suspicious of the kind of crap published and said about the Sussexes simply because of the trashy sources) to fall for their absolute bullsh!t and now believe Harry and Meghan to be terrible people and that W&K are basically saints.

        It actually makes me really sad, since these were the IRL people I knew who followed the royals at all, and now I just stay away from the subject completely.

    • bisynaptic says:

      “My Trump loving conservative aunt cannot conceive a world in which H&M are lovingly together and those white Waleses are not.”
      —LOL I hope your Trump-loving aunt isn’t post-menopausal, because she’s going to have to conceive, soon! 😆

  11. sparrow says:

    I wonder if all this affair stuff is actually helpful to the Middletons. If I hated my husband, I’d rather be remembered for inhabiting enough of the moral highground to divorce him over an affair rather than as a woman who faked a photo and was derided for it. If he divorced me for an affair, I’d also be comforted by the outcry on my behalf, and the shadow it would cast upon him and his morals for years and years, particularly as he is such a public figure.

    • Jeanne says:

      My money is that Ma Middleton is behind the reemergence of the Rose stories. It only benefits them. With this public outcry it could force William to run back to the safety of Kate OR it could ruin his reputation when he divorces her. It’s a win/win.

      I also think Ma Middleton tipped people off with the Mother’s Day photo. The woman is smart and she’s working all the angles. i don’t know if it will be enough in the end but she’s doing everything she can.

      • Pinkosaurus says:

        I agree the Rose story helps the Middletons immensely. Not only does is put a shine on Saint Kate’s halo for what she had to put up with, but makes it so, so much harder for William to sell the “one true love” storyline for his second marriage if it’s not Rose (it won’t be). He’s going to look exactly like the serial philanderer that he is, and she is going to look like the angelic mother of his children that he dumped after 10 years of courtship and a dozen years of articles about her perfection.

        Ben Affleck survived that reputational damage but he’s a talented and hardworking actor and director, and William is the idiot lazy heir and eventual head of the Church of England. Looking forward to the unveiling of William’s giant back tattoo following the divorce (please be a rampant unicorn).

      • Shawna says:

        My assumption is that it is the journalists themselves have been waiting for a moment to bring this back up, and the moment has come.

      • Jaded says:

        @Pinkosaurus — perhaps a giant eggplant?

      • Lorelei says:

        Does CarolE still have any power left, though, to even get her narrative out there? I guess she may still have some sources, but given her recent humiliations, from the bankruptcy to the fliers being posted all over her town, I feel like she’s been completely marginalized and ostensibly silenced. But I acknowledge that I definitely might be underestimating her!

    • ML says:

      Maybe, Sparrow? We think there’s a huge possibility that WanK don’t live together and we’ve picked up on the “pillow” fights. This has gone over most people’s heads. In appearances, K gets more attention (be it for her clothes alone) than W. She’s no Diana, but he has a charisma problem. They’ve tried to sell him as sexy and no one (even his fans) really buys that at all. KC paid for his divorce in popularity and has never recovered. W is going to go through a tough time if he follows his dad.

      • Moondust says:

        William could say he’s the first to be devastated. He’s such a family man, didn’t want that for his kids. Yet they met when they were young and they grew apart. They’re not even on the same page for George future school. Diana was way more popular than Kate and she divorced.

      • sparrow says:

        But I still don’t think they’ll divorce! I’m not quite there. If she does, however, and if the above is a true case scenario (ie that he’s a cheat) I have a respect for her and all she’s been through. My respect for her on this issue is hugely qualified of course by not respecting one iota of her behaviour towards her brother and his wife.

      • sparrow says:

        brother in law and his wife. my typing would mean james middleton and his wife! apologies, i’m hopping around, trying to take work calls. arghhh! this site has been addictive for the past few days.

      • Teagirl says:

        @sparrow .. LOL, same here. It’s supposed to be baking day and I’m stirring things reading CB. In between popping things in the oven and creating the next batch I’m reading for a couple of minutes then going back to my work. I’m going to do an Alfred the Great if I’m not careful …

  12. Chelsea says:

    I hate to say this but Vine is right; it really is crazy that the one thing they didn’t photoshop is one of her rings onto her finger. KP had to know people would notice and as i don’t believe at all that this entire thing was Kate’s doing i think it might’ve been done on purpose. I’ve always been in the camp that W&K will never divorce because she’s wanted to be QC so bad and he won’t want to deal with the fallout of another failed royal marriage but the last 2 weeks has made me rethink that.

    As for the car pic it’s still so odd to me that this ‘candid’ which was obviously palace approved ‘Kate’s’ face is not visible..I’m starting to think this health issue is related to her face; like maybe there was facial trauma that required surgery to fix and that’s why they can’t just provide a real picture or vifeo of her right now and had to make that pieced together mess of a pic to send out for Mother’s Day.

    • Vader says:

      I also believed that kHate would also cling onto her marriage for dear life because the woman has zero self respect. I also assumed it was a botched face lift sor something similar. But after these latest shenanigans from the KP, I now am wondering if Wank asked for a divorce finally. I still find it weird though because he could have easily kept the marriage and continued to cheat and kHate would look the other way. He has met someone and it is serious.

    • FHMom says:

      I think her face is very puffy due to prescribed steroids. I’ve seen the effects of a high dose of steroids and it can be shocking.

      • Renae says:

        Just WHY would Kate be on steroids much less high dose steroids? Steroids are not a post surgical drug.
        Unless steroids are given for some (unknown to us) autoimmune issue, the are given in decreasing dosages and high dose would be over in about one week.

  13. DetachedObserver says:

    I also wonder about the many hints dropped over their disagreement about sending George to Eton. After Kate was allegedly bullied at school, she may have drawn a line over sending her sensitive eldest child to a school rumoured to be rife with bullying (and pegging). It was always inevitable that the heir to the throne would go to Eton, and Kate would never have really had power in that decision. Maybe this was the final fight after many, and neither side will budge- leading to the final breakdown. Pre-coffee thoughts…

    • Rnot says:

      Hmmm. Just this week Earl Spencer has been talking about being sexually abused when he was at boarding school.

      • Becks1 says:

        He wrote a book about it that came out this week, called a Very Private School, but his abuse was at Maidwell, not Eton. Again, Kate boarded at school, so she’s not anti-boarding school. She may be anti-Eton for some reason though.

        (I’ve started listening to the book and he’s a better writer/narrator than I had anticipated. Also I have learned I have been mispronouncing Althorp all my life.)

      • BayTampaBay says:

        and he went to Eton!

  14. equality says:

    The “attacks” on Kate and William have merely been about things they themselves did or said. Maybe they should take this time off to reflect on their own behavior.

  15. Steph says:

    I see they are still trying to make it seem like William not showing up is him “not being himself” instead of who he’s always shown the world he is.

    • Midnight@theOasis says:

      Also still clinging to the lie Kate had anything to do with that photo. The photo is all on William. And can they ever write a damn article without dragging H&M into it?

    • QuiteContrary says:

      That stood out to me, too. In failing to do events and behaving erratically, Will has been more his true pampered and lazy self than ever.

  16. Brassy Rebel says:

    Any woman who marries into this 💩 storm of a family (unless the man she marries is Harry) will eventually live in a world of hurt. Count on it. The combination of arrogant, entitled a-holes, a cult of secrecy, and the all-encompassing need to protect the monarchy, added to a culture of flagrant misogyny makes disaster for the women inevitable.

    Having said this, none of it is justification for Kate’s past behavior.

    • SarahCS says:

      I don’t think you need your caveat (in relation to the first part of your comment anyway), Meghan DID live in a world of hurt until Harry realised the only way out was to leave. That’s what prevented the otherwise inevitable disaster for her.

      • Brassy Rebel says:

        That’s what I was referring to. Harry’s willingness to leave saved both of them.

    • SAMESAME says:

      Imagine your entire adult life spent chasing a facade? I almost feel sorry for Kate if this divorce angle is really at the heart of hospitalgate. She has nothing to show for after this divorce. Not even the satisfaction of having done good charity work with her elevated privilege.
      Then again, you reap what you sow

  17. Dragonlobster says:

    One reason for Kates refusal to travel and take on much work could also have been that she has been struggling with stomach problems for a long time, but that she didn’t want to public to know about it for some reason. Not that would have been the sole reason.

    • sid says:

      What was her reason for bullying Meghan?

      • Dragonlobster says:

        A person can be ill and at the same time be awful to other people and lazy, I don’t see the connection there. If it is crones disease she probably has had symptoms for a while.

    • MaryContrary says:

      I could see that maybe if it’s been a recent development. But she’s been like this the entire time they’ve been together. She could have been zoom-ing up a storm or doing things behind the scenes but nope.

  18. Becks1 says:

    Are we even sure at this point that there was a medical issue, or was that all just a big lie from KP? Like Kaiser said last week I think, this all makes more sense if you consider that KP has been lying to us from the get-go.

    I have two working theories this morning (since my theories change daily) –

    There was a medical issue, but it was minor and Kate has been using the recovery time to negotiate (think gallbladder removal, appendectomy, maybe even the speculated hysterectomy but with no complications, short hospital stay, etc.) This makes the report of an abdominal surgery accurate and not a lie. Kate is recovered at this point but refusing to participate in any KP games until she gets what she wants.

    Other theory is kind of the opposite, lol – there was a medical issue and it is related to the divorce – in way or another. Like we have speculated, there was a physical surgery but she also had a mental breakdown after william told her he wanted a divorce and has been in recovery for that, so the timeline is not set and they can’t guarantee her for something like Trooping bc they don’t know if she’ll be able to participate in trooping, mentally.

    Sarah Vine is trash but still interesting that this article was in an outlet like the Mail. Openly discussing their impending divorce goes against the DM’s usual talking points.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Re: the mental breakdown, I recall reading somewhere (either her or on SM) that the gossip within aristo circles was that it was a breakdown after he asked for a divorce.

      Whatever the reason – they cannot stand each other now, just like his parents marriage. Chuck won’t interfere unless it makes him look bad and so far their sh!tshow is deflecting from his own health issues.

    • Jais says:

      I’ve been wondering the same. Imagine if there was no procedure at all. We know they lie so why not lie about that. I can also believe there was a procedure but perhaps it wasn’t as serious as we’ve led been led to believe. I mentioned concha calleja last week. We all think it’s serious bc she said coma and said her sources were very good. Which could be true but her sources could be lying! Tominey thought her Middleton sources were solid when she wrote the Meghan made Kate cry story but she was lied to by the Middletons. They’re known to lie. The coma detail has caused worry and concern and sympathy for Kate. Is that by design? The coma rumors is what made it look like KP was covering something. But maybe it was a case of wanting William to look bad and was planted by Carole? It feels wild but look they’re all lying liars who lie. They lied that Meghan made Kate cry and let it stand. This is just one theory anyways.

      • Harper says:

        Even if all this speculation about Kate stalling a divorce is at the core of the clown show, she still would have taken a great photo of herself smiling to shut down all the hilarious BBL memes that hit the internets two weeks ago. Divorce or not, Kate still loves being Perfect Kate to the public. Kate being Perfect Kate and Kate not cooperating with William can co-exist.

        Even though we didn’t get Kate being Perfect Kate as a response to the memes, we got the best they could give us–the grainy TMZ photo of a puffy-faced Kate with sunglasses, a slack smile and fuzzy hair riding in a five-wheeled car. That photo was the smoking gun that something medical went down, that it shows in her face, and KP didn’t want the country to see it.

      • Jais says:

        That’s true. I tend to lean towards explanations that would hopefully mean Kate is not so ill that she won’t recover from something.

      • Renae says:

        @Harper if you look closely at the rental car pic and look closely at the area of her sunglasses, you can see she has blackened eyes.
        You don’t get that from tummy issues.

      • Lorelei says:

        I know that we should pretty much always assume the palaces are lying, or, at best, extremely downplaying something whenever they make official statements.

        But I feel like if it was ever discovered that Kate never actually underwent surgery at all, the worldwide backlash — and that of the British public — would be so enormous that it wouldn’t be worth the risk of lying about it? And that even though they’re demonstrably incredibly stupid and bad at their jobs, they would at least be smart enough to realize this?

        But again, we know that on top of being totally inept, they lie constantly, so who freaking knows.

    • TarteAuCitron says:

      The tweeter who posted photos of cars driving from Sandringham to London at the end of December, had posted a photo of Kate in October surmising she might be pregnant. I don’t know if I can post that Tweet here or not, and of course it may not be true.

      • Becks1 says:

        That tweet was just based on Kate touching her stomach in a certain way though, which is something she has done repeatedly. I don’t think it means anything. but of course, who the hell knows at this point.

    • Shawna says:

      If there’s no medical issue, what about the convoy to the hospital on December 28?

      • Jais says:

        Red herring? Or legitimately the start of something? Idk. There’s a lot of possibilities and I’m not wedded to any. It’s a throwing spaghetti at a wall type situation😂

      • Underhill says:

        that may well have been Cholls. Men with enlarged prostate sometimes become entirely occluded so they can’t pee. This can, as you can imagine, rapidly become an emergency and a very painful one. They need a catheritization. It isn’t a big deal, but it is entirely an emergency when one can’t pee at all.

      • Becks1 says:

        Well, as has been pointed out by some less tinfoil-wearing posters on here (not me, I love a tinfoil tiara), we don’t know that was a royal, we don’t know that was coming from Sandringham, and we don’t know that was Kate even if it was a royal.

        Or maybe it was Kate but for something like I mentioned, like an appendectomy (as someone who has had appendicitis, the pain was so bad I almost called 911, and then as I was driving myself to the ER almost pulled over when I saw a cop to beg them to take me. so something like that could have caused the convoy.)

        It’s also possible that there was a complete emergency and everything about this is what we’ve been told but even worse.

        I just keep thinking of the tweets on X and such that are like, “how bad does the reality have to be that they aren’t coming clean?” Like… this point there is growing speculation about a lot of really dark possibilities……if the truth is that she is recovering but just has a puffy face, for the love of pete, just tell the public. Instead people are sharing memes about Charles and William burying her or causing a car crash.

    • Underhill says:

      There may be a middle path possible here: Wlm asks for divorce after Christmas, she seeks to delay it, and engages plan for a recommended but long delayed surgery for her Crohn’s or similar. There are grave complications, or at least, rumours put out by her camp of grave complications. She seeks to delay as much as she can. If Cholls is really terminal and she really does not want the divorce, there may be a cat and mouse game regarding her recovery.

      • Liz says:

        It’s very sad she’d want to stay in a situation that’s affecting her so negatively.

        Carole should be counselling her to leave – but very hard to change tack when her sole purpose in life was to get her in

    • Nic919 says:

      Just the fact that Sarah Vine is discussing potential marriage breakdown is something we have not seen from British media. They know the whole story. And vine has enough insider connections to know it too. Let’s not forget she is the one walking next to Rose for a state dinner. Not that I think Rose is really the other one, but I bet you Rose knows it all too.

  19. Linney says:

    It is shocking to see how these stories have gone from: “Kate is William’s Rock,” “Kate is single handedly saving the monarchy,” “Kate and William Still Madly in Love” to the current ones. Everything about this has been so bizarre, and the articles questionting William’s fitness, the marriage etc. are ramping up. I wonder why the gloves have come off (at least in part) in media outlets that have been praising William and Kate to the skies these past years. I have always felt that William’s hatred of the media and love of secrecy has less to do with his mother than the fact he doesn’t want the public to know what he is doing and not doing. Now that more is expected of him, he can’t take it because he wants to continue his laziness and affairs. But how has that led to the current situation? I assume facts will be filled in over time.

    • Underhill says:

      All I do all day is think up theories. Here’s just another one: Why have the gloves come off now? Cholls newly decreased life expectancy. Willy is being cleansed, so that he can become a real king one day. All of the skeletons in his closet are being outed, and all the other rumors put to rest. His terminally bad marriage is being ended. By the time Cholls deceases, William will be cleansed and ready for his close-up.

    • Lorelei says:

      William has always harbored such a deep resentment that he was expected to share absolutely anything about his life with the press and the peasants. And he hasn’t even tried to hide it. He has such obvious disdain for his “subjects” that maybe the British press is finally fed up with his arrogance and constant secrecy? And his desire to live a completely private life when he’s being funded by the taxpayers to do the exact opposite?

  20. Mads says:

    She’ll be back early April – after the kids Easter holiday – and they’ll go through the motions for a couple of months with a separation announcement towards the end of this year. His plans were upended by whatever happened in late December and even he cannot risk the negative consequences of announcing a divorce just as his wife recovers from surgery. This media chatter is part warning to William, a split between some in the rota no longer wanting to protect William’s shenanigans and editors testing the public’s interest/reaction to a failing marriage narrative. A conversation about William’s unsuitably to be monarch is something they will ignore for now.

  21. Aurora says:

    For me the simplest explanation for the lack of rings is she gained weight and they don’t fit. Or she’s not out of the woods, and her rush to a hospital or actual confinement at a medical unit is still a possibility. Both Big Blue and wedding band are sentimental, historical pieces that wouldn’t be risked.
    But the couldn’t just explain this bc they are trying to show Kate is ok and still her usual self.
    If she’s well enough to jump into a car and same way she stood with her newborns hours after birthing them, just summon handpicked photogs from reputable news agencies and have her sit at a couch for a 30s photoshoot. No questions asked. Or schedule a 2 mins live Zoom call with some charities’ reps for a quick ‘I’ll be back’ message.
    For me, as I said in another post, the most worrying thing is KP obviously trying to give proof of life or avoiding effective cause for a welfare check, but being unable to do so in a conclusive, dignified, simple manner.

    • EasternViolet says:

      Based on that past story about William’s weird “concern” about Meghan’s diamonds, I have to think that William has possession of big blue and only allows her access to it when he says its okay.

    • Becks1 says:

      But if her hands were photoshopped as has been speculated, than they could have included big blue. her hands did not look swollen in that photograph (which of course we know was doctored) so that raises the question of, where are her rings? so by trying to pass of a picture of Kate looking healthy and happy and fairly recovered, it had this other consequence, unintended or not.

    • Shawna says:

      I think the simplest explanation is that those aren’t Kate’s hands.

      • Harper says:

        No rings because they were focusing on perfecting Kate’s head transfer and transforming the kids’ clothes. We all do it–the human brain gets so distracted by X that we don’t see the gorilla running by.

      • Aurora says:

        I think most likely the woman in the picture is not current Kate, but also that the reason her rings are missing is she’s not sporting them irl for health or other reasons.

  22. Kateee says:

    I’m sorry, what vicious attacks from H&M? Meghan saying Kate made her cry but Kate apologized and is a good person? Harry saying he and Kate weren’t that close but she likes shopping? Or when Piers Morgan, completely unbidden, outed Kate as a royal racist?

    Just… even in the midst of scandal, the Waleses aren’t enough of a draw without Harry and Meghan.

    • MaryContrary says:

      Isn’t that ridiculous? Every time they repeat that, I try and remember where and when-in an interview? In “Spare”? But it doesn’t exist-they just keep saying it so it seeps into the public consciousness and becomes accepted canon.

    • bisynaptic says:

      Oh, but you see, H&M—especially, M—must be thrown under the bus, at all times.

  23. Amy Bee says:

    I don’t believe they will ever divorce.

    • Tessa says:

      Maybe Kate will reach a point where she wants out. There are limits to what a person can stand

    • sparrow says:

      I’m kind of with you, Amy Bee. This could pass. There was a columnist the other day saying that the BRF has these crises, which fall like huge waves then crash and disperse. Put it this way, though – it’s now or never for them to divorce, we’re at the closest point to this becoming a reality.

    • ohwell says:

      They are not divorcing because both Billy and Katey are too image conscious. They will continue release false photos and showing up at events with their fake smiles.

      • Kaaaaaz says:

        I think they’ll wait until their children are older. Say what you like about these two twits, they honestly do seem to love their kids.

    • MaryContrary says:

      I thought the same but now I do think there’s something to it. Not on her end-she waited and will look the other way forever. But he seems like he is over it, and having some kind of midlife crisis. The Singapore trip where he went alone. The lack of “devoted William as Kate heals” stories. The missing rings. The sudden Rose stories that popped up out of nowhere. His absence from King Constantine’s memorial. All the stories about them not being on the same page about George’s schooling. Something is off.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Kaaaz, I know that’s the reason lots of unhappy couples stay together — “for the kids.”
        But William knows better than anyone that having divorced parents who are generally living happy lives is better for the kids than having married parents who resent each other and make each other miserable. So idk, I feel like it could go either way?

      • sparrow says:

        Hi Lorelei. A lot stay for the kids, true, and to save themselves the financial upheaval of buying separate houses big enough for the kids to be in during shared custody stays. These two have the finances and the housing to be able to use the nesting scenario. They could have one of their big houses set as permanent for the kids, with the parents coming and going according to who’s got them. I’ve read this works quite well- avoids the tension of drop offs and new partners being around. The kids have a sense of permanency. W&K have possibilities most don’t.

  24. Wryly amused says:

    I’d like to discuss something entirely different. The hands in the infamous photo don’t appear to be Kate’s. She has unusual fingers that are almost the same length. The hand in that photo has a more typical hand with fingers of varying lengths.

    I’m going to post a link and hope that the moderator allows it :

    • Pinkosaurus says:

      That is interesting about her finger length. If they had wanted to photoshop her ring into the picture, they had hundreds of photos of her hands with the ring on holding things, like a clutch, they could have used. Why substitute hands that aren’t even hers and omit the ring?

      • Shawna says:

        Because the hands were in the original photo used as the bass for the composite. The hands weren’t added in; the face was.

        As for not adding a ring in after, I think that is William trying to signal to Kate and Carole that he will have a divorce whether they want it or not.

    • Nick G says:

      @ Wryly, I mentioned this in another post but didn’t know where to find the article. I’m glad you have it!

  25. Lizzie Bathory says:

    The problem for William is there are potentially *two* divorces on the horizon. The Windsors have weathered marriage breakdowns, even the divorce of the Prince & Princess of Wales.

    But the rota are panicking because their relationship with William is collapsing. They no longer have the all access pass, the narrative control that was the only thing making them special when it comes to royal stories. Whether he knows or cares, William is violating their contract. They nearly hounded Harry to death for not cooperating–what happens when the future King cuts them off?

    • Underhill says:

      your comment made me think of this. I hope you can see it, I made it a gift link.

      “Why Is This Happening To Us?” Lol.

      • Lizzie Bathory says:

        I love it!

      • Lorelei says:

        omg, thank you so much for that link, I’m crying ☠️

      • Cleo says:

        Don’t know which theory to believe but do think it included something nefarious.
        I saw a clip on Twitter earlier today from Piers Morgan’s new YouTube show( couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy), where Morgan inferred he had insider info. He said even if it was half as bad as what he heard, it’s still really horrendous. One of the panelists, James Barr posted this clip . What’s really interesting is that I just checked and both James Barr and Piers Morgan’s clips have deleted that comment by Piers. The BM knows something terrible went down and it’s just a matter of time before it leaks to the general public

        Lot of mixed messages from KP and William too. Rose’s name was deleted from the Guardian article about Stephen Cobert’s monologue so it doesn’t look like William wants her name out there. He’s also referencing Kate in his speeches as in “ both Catherine and I”. At the same time, they’ve thrown Kate under the bus for the fake picture. It would’ve been so easy to blame it on an anonymous intern or the like.

      • @clueless says:

        Oh my, that was great! Thank you

  26. DaniLou32 says:

    My conspiracy is that yes, Kate is ill, but her and Mama Middleton are looking to draw it out because if Charles really is as sick as the rumours say, he’s not long for this world. If Willy and Buttons are still married when he dies, that’s it she’s Queen, Carole has won the 20+ year battle. If they divorce in the mean time…there goes that dream. And it’s not really a good look for Willy to ditch his very sick wife for his side chick. So, the longer Kate is out of action, the longer William is stuck.

    • Tessa says:

      William could make kates life miserable if he is forced to stay with her. He would flaunt mistresses or one mistress.if he wants out he will get out. Then Kate can find someone else and have a good marriage

      • Moondust says:

        All Kate ever wanted was an AGA and a country life isn’t it? There are tons of articles about that. There you go, William is happy to oblige, he set her free and is himself free

  27. Just Jade says:

    The Idles have been telegraphing their marriage for a number of years now and everyone can see two people who fell out of love for each other. Salt Island rats and company want what Harry & Meghan have for the Idles and that’s what driving them crazy 😜 every time they see the Sussexes it’s a reminder of what they hope for the Idles.

  28. equality says:

    It would be wild if it were Kate who has found someone new and PW is fighting divorce because only he decides when it is over.

  29. Shawna says:

    This fake pearl-clutching is kind of funny. “It doesn’t bear thinking about.” But you just wrote it down and published it!

    • sparrow says:

      Ha ha, so true! W&K’s new reality, divorce or no, will be a press that is more openly questioning and distrustful, and hopefully not so ready to be weaponised on their behalf. ps Shawna, I saw your comment under mine re academia (another post, I think yest). Very interesting and thanks – I certainly do feel I dodged a bullet career-wise.

      • Shawna says:

        “hopefully not so ready to be weaponised on their behalf” – Seriously! We all know how the invisible contract abused Harry and Meghan, but now we’re finding out how it’s messed up the press too. Some of these rota rats should be trying to pivot into a different branch of journalism before it’s too late.

        I tell my students that if you can literally do anything else, do it. My problem is that I have never, ever wanted anything else in a career, and my skill sets are ideally matched for this job, even though it drives me crazy and doesn’t pay!

  30. Crystal says:

    I believe Kaiser she does not want divorce she played the role waited bided time with early years and children, queens protection in a sense of Wills Boss. He wants her gone likly good grounds and solid contract. Maybe one similar to Costner’s. She is a common woman no none nobility and the children get what they need from him and the crown. So she mustn’t need much. I bet she’s given a shit deal it comes down to class…. And I also bet there was a prenuptial in place. She’s working terms and won’t give up the crown without a fight. She wants big blue 4ever a home protection and she saw what they do to spares. Goodluck. He wanted out before Louis then Harry had to fall in love this divorce was a slow burn since 2017, 18-19 covid-queens death-roll out single dad- dads league man lol now Kates illiness. Think the illiness and ill marriage brought the rest of the worlds eyes to what we have been seeing since 2016. Divorce only accelerated by us, it’s been a slow burn. Illness was a delay for terms between the ill marriage. Enough so we wouldn’t even know it’s even faker marriage. He now sees this as an actual way out no terms cut and dry Costner style

    • Crystal says:

      So she either takes his shit deal which would be brutal- or lives a life of misery at his toil his rules no public appearances “ass pats manic looks” fake head of family F’s off doesn’t question the king. Either way he makes the terms to both awful. She should count her blessing 3 healthy children. And go live with less on his terms and be happy best, revenge. Best outcome let him burn it all down. Girl. Gone.

  31. ChattyCath says:

    I can’t bear domestic violence if this is the case but no one has mentioned how awful their marriage must have been with Carole as a permanent guest. The whole family are ghastly, spiteful and cunning. She flees to her mother when she has any stress. She’s FORTY TWO! She cannot even be a mother to her children. I’m not sticking up for the raging narcissist William but being enmeshed in that dreadful family must have been the end.

    • Shawna says:

      There was that random article about William putting his foot down once Carole tried to move in during the pandemic. It was such a weird article because it made Kate look bad, which the press usually doesn’t do, and it wasn’t histrionic. It actually sounded like the truth!

    • Liz says:

      I agree chattycath. Carole has always struck me as interfering and domineering.

  32. Lau says:

    I don’t think we can ever fully prepare ourselves for a divorced William who tries to pretend he is the hottest bachelor around.

  33. Lady Digby says:

    I remain uncertain about a divorce announcement because it will invoke a tsumani of scrutiny and speculation and bad press for FK that he already CAN’T tolerate hence the erratic behaviour as he struggles to SHUT all the current storm which is not yet tidal force. The flood gates will open and all those previous spiked articles will be published if he announces a separation. Okay he is stupid, stubborn believes everything is his to command and above all he can’t fake being content with his wife in public any more so if he wants a divorce Willy will get one.
    Unless KC only has months to live and he needs to divorce this year then he’d be smarter to put it off until 2025 when Kate has recovered etc., However BM are probably super anxious about being scooped with the big reveal by Us media like Stephen Colbert. They won’t let anything come between them and a massive story like this one.

    • Proud Mary says:

      “a divorce announcement . . . will invoke a tsumani of scrutiny and speculation and bad press.” Lady Digby, how is what’s going on now any better? I think for their own sakes, and that of the children, the sooner they get the ball rolling, the better. I think they could try and iron out a scheme in which neither will leak anything bad about the other. It can happen, if the Firm wants it.

  34. Anna M says:

    This marriage is so toxic that it has made a 42 yr old woman look like an elderly retiree. The once beautiful, healthy, vibrant Kate has turned into a very sad, miserable recluse who’s always at the verge of tears, I hope they both heal.

  35. Just Me says:

    Regarding the absence of “Big Blue” is the medically required removal of all jewelry before a surgical procedure. So who has possession of it? Could be Carole, could be William, who knows?

  36. Rapunzel says:

    Y’all– check the latest article in the Fail

    “AMANDA PLATELL: If we don’t all give Kate a break, she may take a break from us. And then where would the Royal family be…”

    This is insane. Kitty is threatening to quit, or this is an excuse to fire her. Is the Rota trying to convince her to come back?

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      This is the Fail trying to goad them – she would NEVER quit, this is what she wants and has always wanted. Kate / Ma seem to think they have some power here – they don’t and I think they are about to get a harsh lesson in that.

      Pegs wants a divorce and he will get one regardless of what Katty and Ma want.

    • Proud Mary says:

      Who’s the “we” here that Platel is referring to? Last time I checked it was KP that rolled her under the bus! Also, is Platel not so subtlety admitting that her abuse of the Sussexes was a catalyst for their quitting? Frankly, Kate has not faced any bullying at all, at least not compared to Meghan, and this uproar is supposedly basis for Kate quitting? Go ahead Kittykat, make my day.

  37. Lara says:

    Has anyone thought that maybe in a fit of incandescent rage William laid hands on Kate and seriously injured her? I seem to recall an article recently asking if William could be charged and jailed if he were to commit a crime. It would also explain Kate’s absence, especially if she’s bludgeoned and bruised and has decided to divorce William.

  38. CM says:

    My guess is they are linked somehow- the surgery was something she probably needed for some time and she kept putting it off. Then the D word started being thrown about and the surgery now could not wait. And D is averted for some indefinite period of time. Her illness I heard in a podcast – from reliable sources apparently – is Chron’s disease and the surgery, a pretty serious one, was a resection of her intestine.
    Whatever happens I don’t wish either of them ill, for their kids especially. And I hope they’ve learned something positive from this ordeal. Or at least realized a modicum what H&M were put through- at the hands of their own family.

  39. MerlinsMom1018 says:

    So ok. Absolutely serious question here.
    Giving either one of them the benefit of the doubt (I know, I know)
    Say the divorce is announced and after the shit show settles, is there even the slightest remote possibility that William will pull his head out of his ass and become an actual human being? I mean a crumbling marriage is hard and stressful enough if a person isn’t famous, but the added stress for he and Kate is something I can’t fathom. Played out on a global stage.
    Kate’s place in history is secure no matter what. Would she be able to just go live quietly and heal from whatever?
    These are just random thoughts that I have.

  40. mary Pester says:

    Didn’t work did it Charlie, giving them the Wales title didn’t stop the rot as you hoped, it just gave keen and Her mother a bigger bargaining tool! Billy hates it because it means it has to appear as if he’s worth it, keen has the excuse of illness but the rot is to far in. It’s going to make the divorce between you and Diana look like child’s play.
    William can’t stand being near her and she can’t stand him touching her. There’s an item of them last year doing a video call and she shrugged his hand away. As a couple they are finished, it’s all in the details now. Charlie needs to hold on a bit longer because if he doesn’t it’s all going to come out, it might do anyway because she has nothing left to lose. And as for poison Vine, she needs to book into rehab for her Harry and Megan addiction, she will even be blaming them for the weather in a minute

    • MoBiMom says:

      Love your tea, Mary P….

    • Tisme says:

      @Mary Pester,
      Do you know what happened to Kate? If so, please finally share!

      • /mary Pester says:

        @TISME, I tried but obviously Kaiser had to be careful about what’s printed as we have an inside lurker. Just wait till I get the all clear from Heather and I will name names and happenings, but I won’t risk Heather’s job!

      • Jaded says:

        @Mary Pester — do you agree with another poster that had insider tea that she’s hiding out in Mustique?

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Mary Pester, I think everyone was taken by surprise when KFC immediately made WanK P&PoW so quickly. He is an idiot if he thought that would ‘fix’ their marital woes. It’s been apparent for years that the two of them don’t like being in the same room together. I think Bone Idle really enjoyed touching Billy Idle’s bum, because she knew how much he hated it.

      I think if he comes out and says that Adelaide Cottage was the beginning of their separation, it will help him with ‘but she’s ill’. It won’t all go away, but if they show there was a strategy and she knew going to Adelaide would mean divorce, it will help smooth a ripple or two–not all of them.

      After what happened between Diana and KFC, you would think KFC would be a little more in the know about trying to stick it out in a marriage where neither party wants anything to do with the other.

      I’m buying more popcorn.

    • bisynaptic says:

      But maybe that’s exactly what Charles wanted? To make William’s and Kate’s separation/divorce as difficult as possible?

    • @clueless says:

      @Mary Pester
      I hope you are doing well. Thank you for all your tea. You are always in my prayers

  41. Proud Mary says:

    OMG! This woman really makes my skin crawl. Given that CB will not allow me to speak my mind about Sarah the Vice, a premier gorgon of the apocalypses, let me first remind y’all that when the photoshopped image first dropped” she posted a ridiculous screed with point-by-point analysis, declaring how perfectly the image defined Kates happiness. She even added a dig at the Sussexes, of course. Now that it’s all blown up in her face, Vice says this: “Even odder, to my mind, is . . . the fact that the princess is not wearing any of her rings.” I’m sorry, but this fact was pretty apparent when you said the picture perfectly made clear that all was well in Wales land. Go and pluck yourself Sarah!

    • QuiteContrary says:

      It’s easy to do an about-face when you have no shame, and Sarah is utterly shameless.

  42. Proud Mary says:

    “Certainly that snap of them leaving Windsor in the car together yesterday was less than encouraging. They didn’t exactly look cheery, she with her back to the camera in shady profile and he looking somberly down at his papers.” I have news for you Sarah, this is not the first time we’ve seen this. But when you spent all your time manufacturing tales about the Sussexes, I can see how you could have missed this obvious fact, assuming you’re not lying — as you usually are. I do have a “niggling feeling” that hatred can be quite blinding.

  43. Mrs. Smith says:

    Thank you Kaiser for covering this! My take is that this divorce has been unfolding at a glacial pace until K’s health mystery. The illness was the final nail in the coffin. I know K is unwell, but honestly, this is her ticket out of there and the only graceful exit. She will dutifully divorce now that she cannot handle her future role. If this pathetic showcase continues, well, he is the one who will be mightily embarrassed b/c he is the heir and it’s ALL gonna come out.

    I think the Mother’s Day pic w/o the rings was W & KP making a clear statement that the marriage is over.

  44. Proud Mary says:

    It is clear from this statement that Sarah knows that the nasty, hateful stuff she’s spewed over the years, has had a deleterious impact on the Sussexes mental health: “I don’t say this out of criticism, more out of genuine concern for the couple and their wellbeing. After all, life in the royal fishbowl is far from easy.” She knows this, yet throughout Meghan’s pregnancies, Sarah spewed nonstop hatred at her. But now, she wants us to feel sorry for Kate, a woman who will never suffer the ill-effect of someone using the word “niggling” to describe her intimate relationship.

    • bitchy architect says:

      Came here to say something similar. I find the overwhelming sympathy for Kate for the constant scrutiny that she is under versus Meghan- (for whom the was never one ounce of sympathy and there still isn’t) really disgusting. I know a few journalists have commented on it, but not enough. To me this is just as big of a story as Kate’s disappearance and almost no one is talking about this overt racism.

  45. Liz says:

    I wouldn’t wish a hurtful divorce on anyone – but the irony here is all these journos were practically salivating at the thought of it for Harry & Meghan. They’d be delighted if it they were splitting.

    Their sympathy for Kate is hypocritical to say the least.

    • equality says:

      Yeah. They would all be delighted if Harry left, not only Meghan, but his children behind.

  46. Reality Bites says:

    What amount of money would Kate be entitled to in the divorce under royal and UK law? I would think Kate’s mom would be part of any negotiations and the money ask would be huge – not just for Kate but the extended Kate clan given their total lack of funds.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Reality Bites, the money that Billy Idle has is the income from the Duchy of Cornwall. Yes, he gets that, but I’m not sure the trustees would allow him to give a huge chunk of the 20 million pound per year income to her. I wonder if KFC would give him the money? I THINK QE2 helped him when he divorced Princess Di. Once he’s King, he has access to a VAST personal wealth.

    • Unblinkered says:

      Replying to RealityBites
      You bet any financial settlement will include the extended Middleton clan!!!

  47. Orsa Trentina says:

    My money’s on a divorce with the surgery being a mandatory hysterectomy (probably in the contract). Don’t want another Diana situation to have to deal with.

  48. calmseas says:

    Wondering if the surgery caused her to basically shut William out of her life. William has appeared to be abrupt and angry with her — a la the Jordan royal wedding. The last thing anyone needs when undergoing major surgery is a non-supportive spouse.

  49. Astroturf says:

    I don’t understand why they would divorce at all. Why not just quietly go about their extra curricular activities like every other royal and put up a good show as partners at work?

  50. Tessa says:

    One of them might want to divorce and remarry

  51. Henny Penny says:

    William cannot divorce Kate without Charles’ permission and I believe Charles told Willam “No,” because Charles knows the Firm will not survive a messy divorce–and all that scandal–while he’s too ill to be seen in public.

    William has blown his opportunity, BIG TIME. His father’s illness and absence was his time to shine and he’s frittered it away. He could have”rushed to his father’s bedside” been out touching the people and being “their rocks during these uncertain times.” It would have been so easy. How dumb could he be?

    My question is why is Camilla so freaking happy all of the time? What does she know?

  52. Looks like Huevo made it though an entire day without instigating any media attacks to cover up his incompetence.

    If he keeps this up all the people that believe what the BM says will have accepted Buttons’ secret squirrel disappearance for reasons that can only make him look good.

    If she never comes back? Oh well, you know she wants her privacy.

  53. SamuelWhiskers says:

    Dear all non-Brits. I promise we have whitening toothpaste here. Really.

  54. Martha says:

    Hmmm – That would be, Sarah “She’s a witch!” Vine, wife of Rose Hanbury’s former employer, the despicable Tory politician, Michael Gove?

    FWIW – I doubt they’d get divorced. Why should they? Just live their lives as separately as possible (with 3 kids) and suck it up when they’ve got to appear together.

    Poor William is such an arrogant SOB. How much happier he’d be if he was allowed to just be one more stupid toff with inherited wealth and property, playing polo and swanning around the country throwing his weight around as if anyone cared what he thought.