The photo we discuss below is on Radar Online. Warning! It’s very disturbing
Mel’s visitation was not stripped in custody hearing yeaterday
Yesterday Mel Gibson was not denied visitation rights with his nine month old daughter, Lucia, after a much-anticipated court hearing in which his estranged wife testified that he never physically harmed her or their seven children. Mel will get daytime visitation and one overnight with the infant per week.
More audio of Mel ranting exists; Radar did not pay for them
This news of course comes at a time when no less that five incredibly abusive and incriminating tapes have been released daily by Radar Online. Radar Online editor Dave Perel was on The Howard Stern show yesterday. MSat listened to the show and told us about it. (You can read a blurb about it on Howard Stern’s site now. There is not a permanent link, but go to “Thursday’s show” at the top.) Perel confirmed that Oksana was not paid by Radar for the very explosive recordings she made of Mel ranting and threatening to kill and bludgeon her. He said that the tapes were given to a friend of Oksana’s for safekeeping should anything happen to her. The story goes that the friend released them to the media instead. Perel said that there are 30 minutes of tapes from Mel and that “All the tapes are in our possession now.” So there are more to look forward to.
Did Oksana demand $10 million from Mel to keep the recordings to herself?
The account from Radar’s editor is not consistent with a new story on TMZ that Oksana allegedly wanted $10 million from Mel to keep the tapes silent. Of course this news is coming from “sources close to Mel” at a time when it would only benefit Mel Gibson to try and smear the woman who has released so much damning evidence against him. They previously lamely tried to claim that the tapes were somehow edited. Even assuming that Oksana wanted a large sum of money for the recordings at one point – it doesn’t mean that Mel isn’t an abuser and it doesn’t mean that she didn’t fear for her life. I’m sure that there will be plenty of people screaming obscenities at the woman and saying she deserved it and look she tried to extort him! Most of those people don’t sound that much different from ranting alcoholic Mel. There’s no way to couch this in any kind of twisted logic, they’re blaming the victim.
Photo of Oksana’s abuse released by Radar
While Radar has more footage of Mel Gibson screaming in a panting rage, they’re probably going to hold off releasing another audio segment today. They just put out a photo of Oksana with her teeth broken and her eyes black and blue. (Update: some people have pointed out that what I thought was bruising around the eyes could simply be a shadow or how she looks without makeup. I think I see bruising, and others agree. Please keep in mind that TMZ is running stories straight from Mel’s camp – they quote “sources close to Mel” – and that Mel’s people are trying to discredit this photo at any cost. Of course they are going to say there is no bruising.)
This picture was allegedly taken by her dentist, at his insistence, after she came to him to fix her crowns. According to Oksana, Mel punched her in the face and broke her teeth while she was holding their baby. Mel half-confirmed this on one of the audio tapes. She asked: “What kind of a man is that who would hit a woman when she is holding a child in her hands, hitting her twice in the face? What kind of a man is that?” He replied “You know what — you f-cking deserved it.”
The photo is so upsetting and it made my stomach churn to see it. I hope that Oksana has good security people around her. Mel has already threatened her with a gun, with a baseball bat upside the head, and with death. We’ve heard him screaming like a crazed animal. For those of you who will say that she somehow deserved it or is playing him or “pushing his buttons,” again I am so deeply sorry for you. I’ve honestly never in my life heard anyone say things that even came a fraction close to being that terrible, mean and threatening. I can’t even remember a movie when I heard someone be so verbally and emotionally abusive. Consider the things he’s said to her along with the detail that he broke her teeth. The man is absolutely capable of worse.
*Please note that I wrote most of this article before the photo of Oksana came out or I would have started the story with the news of that very shocking photo.
I don’t care what this woman did. Mel Gibson is an abusive pig and his ass should be thrown in jail.
What I find more disturbing than these pictures, are the posts that defend him. She is probably a gold digger and much more, but she did not deserve this. Nobody deserves to be treated like that.
That photo looks like she messed with her veneers. If he punched her in the face there would be bruising. Basically her face would be busted. I think she is just as crazy as he is.
You know, I was going to say that I can’t believe he gets an overnight and a daytime visit, but that’s wrong. I DO believe it. I believe that unless she turns up dead, Mel will get the benefit of the “doubt” (as if there is one), and justice won’t really happen. I’m frightened for her. What is wrong with a society that always blames the female victim?
Oh, and poster #3 (?), how do you explain that Mel ADMITS to hitting her in the face?
There are going to be people who keep blaming her. It breaks my heart, and I will absolutely delete, moderate and ban those people. That is unacceptable and you can go spew your hate on another site.
Lee, as disgusting as it may sound, I’ve seen quite a few posters on here that suggest that she busted her teeth herself to make him look bad.
people are really sick sometimes.
I don’t think her eyes are blackened. It looks more like no makeup + the shadow of the pic, most likely a polaroid. Her bottom lip is definately swollen. Veneers aren’t hard to break or chip, but it appears she got hit straight on by something. Evidently a fist or maybe an elbow.
@ poster 3 – I think it’s DISGUSTING that you would even think that.
@Lee – shhhhh! Don’t confuse #3 with facts!
@CB – I applaud you. NOTHING this woman did can excuse Mel’s disgusting abusive behavior. NOTHING.
Still wonder about the tapes being altered. One guy a forensics expert said they were altered, “pieced together, not Gibson’s voice (?)” but ROL says numerous top experts who have analyzed tapes for FBI/CIA confirm the tapes authenticity. If Oks was recording all this I would not think she would make the mistake of “editing or altering” the tapes any way. But there has NOT been an official analysis done on the tapes. Maybe the sheriff’s dept. is doing that now in order to make the case solid. Maybe for custody the judge won’t allow it until there is an official analysis.
But yesterday’s hearing was only about visitation not custody. Are they still having the custody hearing Tuesday?
Just looked at TMZ investigators says the photos/video of her face is inconsistent with being hit; they are saying it was self-inflicted.
Thank you CB for comment #6.
@CB – I totally applaud your decision. Oksana might be a golddigger who goaded Mel into some of his tirades. And I don’t freaking care because NOTHING excuses what he’s done. He’s a monster and deserves everything he’s got coming to him.
who gives a crap if he messed up her teeth or her veneers! what difference does it make? he hit her in the face while she was holding a baby. you have to be extremely depraved to do that. he is a wife beater just like any other abusive ass and should do time in jail. i think alcohol has seriously riddled his brain.
Let’s dig a hole and bury Mel so that none of us ever has to think about or see him again.
I want him gone from the face of the earth.
I wish that massive RADAR online thing wasn’t over half of her face. You can’t notice any bruising, not saying it’s not there, but this just look like some busted teeth and possibly part of a fat lip (or she had just gotten her lips injected but my guess is probably a fat lip). Hearing how awful this pic was I expected something of Rhianna proportions and am thankful that it wasn’t that bad. Of course, it’s still just as awful.
I can’t even imagine how hard she must have been hit to knock out part of her teeth. I took a softball head on in high school right in the face and it knocked some teeth out and I was bruised to hell and had a fat lip that bled everywhere. That ball was big and going super fast.
Call Oksana what you will- I personally don’t care for her and think she’s an untalented gold digger- but personal feelings aside, no one deserves this to happen to them. If she was holding the baby while he hit her, I think a lot of his so-called supporters will think very differently of him now.
This, to me, is to a point where he should not be defended in any way. This crap behavior isn’t excusable at all. I don’t care what went on. When you react this way and admit it, you are completely at fault. I think Mel does drugs, drinks, has lost his mind or something.
What person would let a child go back to him for any time when he had no problem admitting to hitting the mother while she was holding the child? This whole mess is ridiculous and I hope he goes straight down for it.
Disgusting. I’m interested to see what happens here. It’s simply NOT ok. No matter how the facts are twisted. It’s beginning to seem like celebrities can pretty much get away with anything. It’s maddening.
Thanks CB.
NOBODY EVER DESERVES ABUSE EVER!
That picture is difficult to look at. BOTH of these people need to go through therapy. I honestly think both individuals involved in a domestic violence dispute are at fault and need to go through intensive therapy to resolve any post-traumatic stress.
I get that she was scared for her life, but why let her dentist take the pictures? I just seems like blackmail at this point. The smart thing to do would have been to leave him at that point, take her daughter, and call the police. Poor kid.
…And just to be clear…I am not wishing death on Mel. I just want him to vanish into some kind of hellish oblivion where all the guys who beat on women live. I think OJ Simpson might be the ruler in that land.
They can all sit around and drink whiskey and slap each other on the back and tell great stories about how they “kept their women in line”.
To be honest, I haven’t listened to the tapes except for what I have caught on the radio, for which I turned the channel. It is too disturbing to me. I have read what he said on the tapes on this site however and it really sad and fk’n scary. Don’t think I will look at the picture of Oksana’s bruised and battered face either. MG sounds very disturbed and hopefully the court system will do the right thing in this situation (meaning, hopefully they will treat Mel G like a regular citizen), but I understand that is wishful thinking.
Hey cb, many thanks, some of these posters turn my stomach as much as Mel’s psycho rants. Also, I don’t know which poster said it here, but the posters on Radar are just horrific. Unbelievable bash the victim mentality over there. I’m done with that site for good.
@malachais…the reason simply leaving and going to the police would not work is that Mel Gibson is a big famous person with money and clout. She is just Little Miss Nobody to the police.
The upshot of that would be this simply being swept under the carpet.
By taping him, she is removing all doubt. He is on those tapes using his own words, his own insults, his own disgusting degrading way of talking to her. You don’t have to imagine how it sounded or went down. You can hear it for yourself.
Maybe you don’t know this, but the US is not exactly the capitol of dealing effectively with domestic violence.
She did what she had to do to nail him with his own hateful words and I personally applaud her and hope other women can use this to their benefit as well.
No woman will ever be safe from this happening until this horrific problem is out in the open and the WOMEN get supported…not blamed.
I was going to listen to that mash-up “conversation” between Bale and Gibson, thinking it would be amusing. My husband and I couldn’t make it through the first minute because hearing Gibson say those things in that horrible voice is just too disgusting. He sounds like he’s lost his humanity completely.
I agree with everything you are saying (Celebitchy) and I think you do an excellent job framing this whole mess. Here’s what worries me. He’s obviously a serious alcoholic. He probably has already suffered some brain damage from it. And alcohol seriously effects your judgement. I do believe it’s quite possible that he could lose it one day and kill her in a rage. I don’t think he would hire anyone because it would be obvious. I don’t think he would plan something, but I do think given his obviously sick mind and alcohol problem it is a real possibility. She needs to get as far away from him as humanly possible.
#21-All dentists take photos of damaged teeth. I chipped my real tooth and he took a before and after photo, x-rays, and an impression.
C/B
Regarding your decision to “delete, moderate, and ban” comments that blame Oksana for Gibson’s despicable behavior….
I understand your sentiment. But I wonder if it isn’t actually beneficial to shine a spotlight on ignorance and cruelty. The majority of your posters feel as you do, so the others stand out and are usually derided.
Also, where do you draw the line on censorship? Gracie’s comment, taking the opposite tack, is pretty simplistic and distasteful to some, who would want to understand and treat the root causes for Mel’s rage.
Is that one of the expenses that’s bleeding him dry? The cost of getting her teeth fixed?
Unfortunately, this man will never see the inside of a jail cell. And if by some stroke of luck he does, he’ll be so lionized in prison that he’ll be like Marlon Brando in “Apocalypse Now.”
Where’s the justice??
All I can say is that I am appauled by how the court allowed Mel visitation rights. All that has to happen is he goes in, in one of his moods and loses it if the mother is in the same room. Hell I wouldnt put it past him to just walk out with the baby. And of course he’ll still have a career after this for some reason this guy will find a way to get jobs and make money hell all he has to do is be a producer and he’s set for life. Meanwhile the scapecoat is the mother and we all know mothers are the reason for everything. When somthing goes wrong its the womans fault. Men are cowards and terrorists in their own right. I dont see Oksana getting justice and I see Lucia being minipulated against her mother inthe future and completely cut out of her life.
Mel is disgustingly disturbed and absolutely NOBODY deserves abuse or deserves to be treated as he treated her. I still don’t think that excuses extortion though – if she, in fact, did that, which we don’t know yet. Making the tapes was brilliant and will hopefully get him convicted of abuse, because he deserves to be punished for his actions, but it certainly doesn’t exempt her from the law either. If it turns out to be the case, not only will she have (rightly) brought Mel’s actions to light, but she will also have shown a disturbing side of herself. That poor little baby, with parents like these.
No one is blaming her. I think it’s acceptable to question someone’s motives for releasing tapes to the media, not just the police to protect yourself, but to release tapes and photos to the media to make an easy $10 Million. When Rihanna was attacked she did not go to the media with photographic evidence, (a picture was released but she had no part in that), she went to the police and they handled the situation just as it should be handled, and she certainly didn’t try to make money off of it by going to the media. I applauded Rihanna for coming out and telling her side of the story after things had a chance to calm down but this just seems to me like there is more to this story than we are hearing.
Before you all yell at me…I’m just asking….if she was hit knocking her teeth out, why are there no bruises to her lips? A punch that hard certainly would have caused bruising or a split lip. And when i first heard the tapes, it sounded like an interpiter reading a script. Again not to defend Mel in any form…she is unbelievably calm – what did she do to push his buttons to get him to respond in such a way? What he is accused of doing is wrong in every way and what he says is just sick. But so far the whole affair has been one sided. And certainly the leaking of the tapes is a majorly underhanded way to handle her concern for herself and baby.
Mel’s going down.
@Tess – I appreciate the idea but there has been way too much ignorance allowed up until this point, and it’s all over other sites. It can be easily found at TMZ, which is running stories straight from Mel’s people attacking the victim.
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I have to write some other stories now, thankfully Kaiser covers my slow butt, but I won’t be reading all the comments and we rely on you to alert us to offensive and obnoxious comments.
I love this site and have been reading it for awhile now. It is one of my favorites and I check it multiple times a day. However, I am starting to have an huge issue with the amount sensationalizing and/or exaggerating that I perceive to be going on. I know it’s a gossip site but I still don’t believe that there is a need to sensationalize things.
1. What Mel did was 100% unequivocally wrong on all counts and there is no excuse for his behavior. None.
2. There is enough evidence to prove that he was verbally abusive, no doubt. There is also evidence that he was physically abusive as well. This evidence can stand alone.
But I saw the picture of her teeth and her eyes are NOT black and blue. The skin above her eye is brownish and there is an obvious shadow on each eye. There is no way to say with 100% certainty that it’s bruising. It looks nothing like bruising. The broken veneers say enough; there is just no need to say that she is black and blue when she isn’t. Rihanna was obviously bruised. Oksana is not.
Agreed CB/Miss Kitty Litter.
One point I would raise though: Does anyone think these tapes have been doctored? I’m not saying Mel didn’t say and do these things. It’s pretty clear he did, he is scum, probably should go to jail and no one should every pay him one red cent ever again. But Oksana is SOOOO calm in some of those tapes, almost monotone. I just find it difficult to believe that when someone is stark raving mad like Mel is that the other person in the conversation can remain so calm. It makes me think that the tapes have been doctored and Oksana’s “calm” voice has been dubbed over whatever the actual exchange was to make Oksana look better.
I’m extremely fortunate that I’ve never been in that kind of a violent powder keg, so I don’t know how someone reacts, but I know any time I’m in any sort of a “heated” discussion, although I do my best to remain calm, it is sometimes next to impossible to do so.
“what did she do to push his buttons to get him to respond in such a way? ”
NOTHING, you abuser-apologist.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
and the reason she’s so calm, as someone so poetically wrote on here…when you’re faced with a crazed animal who is ready to attack, you don’t make any sudden movements.
Society does not always blame the female victim. In many, many cases society will blame men simply for being men and damn be the accused. Believe it or not, there are women (same as men) who will take advantage of their perceived victimhood to unscrupulously gain the upper hand in various conflicts. Evil does not follow gender lines.
I do not believe this Oksana/SlimeballMel case is such a situation. This is a case of society having a justice system where lawyers are nothing more than marketing reps selling the best story, using every legal means possible to win their ad campaign. As in marketing the largest wallet commands the best talent and Gibson clearly has that over Grigorieva. The scales of justice certainly can be tipped by the heaviest wallet.
BTW, if I were stuck having to deal with such a drunken ass clown I would also have taped these conversations. This guy actually thinks of himself as a moral Christian?
“what did she do to push his buttons to get him to respond in such a way?”
@ maps: my guess is she breathed. go away and spread your ignorance elsewhere.
@Tess: “Also, where do you draw the line on censorship? Gracie’s comment, taking the opposite tack, is pretty simplistic and distasteful to some, who would want to understand and treat the root causes for Mel’s rage.”
I understand where you are coming from and I realize my comment about wanting to bury Mel seems cold…but what I was getting at is this:
We often spend so much time trying to figure what is wrong with the abuser that the victim, the women, is largely forgotten. Pushed aside so we can make room for HIS needs.
I agree wholeheartedly that abusers need help and wouldn’t it be great if we could find a way to fix men who beat on women. I guess for me though, my first allegance is always to the women who have to put up with this crap.
Plus…with Mel being a rich celebrity, often people take the view that HE is the important one here, and not the victim, who in this case is not a famous person.
I think she is calm because she finally has the peace of mind knowing that this is her way out of a horrible situation. She knows the conversation is being taped, so has no need to rage back at him. At first, I thought her tone seemed a little cloying, but think about it – wouldn’t you be calm and collected knowing that the madness was about to be over and the world would finally see the horrible side that he probably only shows to a handful of folks?
@comma colon – it looks like bruising to me. When I say it’s bruising because it looks like bruising, how is that exaggerating? I am a feeling person, when I say I’m honestly upset and sick to my stomach over these photos and those awful, disgusting tapes, I’m not exaggerating. I try to write as evenly and logically as possibly but I honestly feel and believe these things and this story upsets me so much. You can say it’s sensationalism, but to me I’m just reporting a story and providing an editorial on it. Just because you don’t agree with my take doesn’t mean I’m exaggerating. This woman was given death threats, called the most awful names I’ve ever heard and has a photo that I think shows bruising. Maybe I’m wrong and she just has broken teeth. This story affects me deeply and I cannot report it and be callous or “Oh there’s no bruising” when that’s not how I see it. I honestly think she fears for her life and I’m scared for her. To all the people who say she’ll be fine, I really hope that you’re right on that count.
And the issue of the audio allegedly being doctored and Oksana being calm was addressed yesterday on the Today show. An expert said he analyzed them and they were consistent with a legitimate tape and not doctored. Watch it yourself if you’re wondering about it.
I don’t think he hit her in the mouth like she is saying, only because there is no bruising or damage tissue around her mouth.
Not only would she have swollen lips, but damaged to her gum also, in the pictures that have been shown there is no exterior damage shown to her mouth area, just her teeth which are veneers.
It still not negate the phones calls of him ranting like a crazed man, to me those tapes are scary, because he seems to want to punish her for his own actions (she didn’t make him cheat, she helped but it was his decision to cheat repeatedly with other women)
What gets me is that in this day of so call enlightenment a woman getting terrorized by her husband, boyfriend or who ever, stills get the blame.
Women and men can come out and state I’m gay and we all say wow that’s ok a woman can come out and say my husband, boyfriend beat the crap out of me and it’s well what did you do to set him off, that is just freaking crazy to me, that this attitude still exist today, especially among women.
When Rihanna was attacked she did not go to the media with photographic evidence, (a picture was released but she had no part in that), she went to the police and they handled the situation just as it should be handled, and she certainly didn’t try to make money off of it by going to the media. I applauded Rihanna for coming out and telling her side of the story after things had a chance to calm down but this just seems to me like there is more to this story than we are hearing.
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EXACTLY. That is how this mess should have been handled. Call the cops and have him arrested, not waiting six months and having a friend hand the tapes over to a gossip blog, while in the meantime allowing unrestricted visitation. She endangered her kids by playing this media/bribery game for so long and taping conversations. No need for that when you call the cops right away. Of course, he still wouldn’t go to jail, just like Chris Brown didn’t.
I’m really done hearing about this story. Mel Gibson needs to be locked away in a pyschiatric facility for the rest of his life. He’s obviously lost his mind. You can hear that in his rants. No sane person acts like that.
To those of you who are wondering where her bruises are: depending on the person’s skin tone, health issues, etc. sometimes people don’t bruise up immediately. For example, my son who has an olive complexion (like Ox) can take a hit and never bruise at all, but I can be lightly tapped and the area turns black almost immediately.
Also, most bruising takes time to “develop” meaning the bleeding under the skin will become more noticeable with time. I would like to see the photos of her from the day AFTER this was taken. Just because a person doesn’t immediately turn black and blue does NOT mean there was no injury!
Regardless of how bruised she is or *isn’t*, there is no excuse for being struck in the face!
Listen, I don’t care if Oksana is a gold digger, however, Mel is out of his mind. If you look at the photo carefully, you will see that the left side of her face is starting to bruise. And I know a lot about bruising. It doesn’t actually become a total mess until well after 24 hours. She is just in the first stage of that bruise. No one would EVER do that to that to herself. And I am not going to judge here, but he is a RAVING lunatic. He realized that he was taken by Oksana (NO EXCUSE HERE) however, he DOES have a GOD COMPLEX and he is infuriated that he was taken by a younger woman, (TOTAL EGO HERE) whom he thought may be the love of his life. I thought the way he ‘paraded’ her around right after Robyn filed for a divorce, I thought, what an arrogant ‘pr..k’. Could he have waited a little bit longer in honor of his soon to be ‘ex’? Yeah, he could have, but he wanted to show the world that he could have a ‘younger’ girl (not that she is so young) and paraded her on the red carpet like an arrogant fool. So, yeah, stupid ass, she wasn’t the one and NOW he is OUT OF HIS MIND! Good for her, because I CANNOT imagine dealing with this guy who is always saying he is SOOO Catholic. Right, Mel, you just created your own church & now you are the Pope of that. IDIOT!!!
Gibson has that cranky enraged not-making-sense thing. He gets way past the point of reason. And demands sex. And he’s violent. And paranoid. Now I’m wondering if Mel intersperses all that booze with meth…
Either way, I hope Oksana is being extremely careful. It would be tragic to have another Nicole Simpson situation.
@Maddie – you are quoting TMZ, which admits they are getting information from “sources close to Mel.” Those sources will go to any length to discredit this photo because it makes their client look very, very bad. I’m so disappointed in TMZ for this.
I really enjoy this site, but when I see that people who disagree that Oksanas teeth were broken by Mel Gibson will be banned….I can’t see myself coming here anymore.
There was no bruising. There was no swelling in the picture. There are major inconsistencies in her story. I don’t know what happened to her, but I don’t believe she was punched in the face.
That being said, the verbal abuse was terrible. I hate the entire situation. BUT I don’t believe she was punched.
good point about oksana getting good security. i have a family member like mel – even looks a bit like him – and turns into a complete psychopath rageaholic when drinking or challenged in any way – very scary – definitely capable of physical violence.
good point about oksana getting good security. i have a family member like mel – even looks a bit like him – and turns into a complete psychopath rageaholic when drinking or challenged in any way – when i heard the first tape, i actually thought “wow, that’s familiar, mel’s just like X” – i won’t listen to any more beyond the snippet i heard – it’s scary enough just to hear the tape and extremely frightening to witness in real life – definitely capable of physical violence.
It appears law enforcement will be investigating the validity of the abuse claims to see if the damage may have been self-inflicted and if this is an extortion set-up.
@Schnauzers – I did not say that people who disagree that she has bruising will be banned, I said people who blame her, meaning calling her names and saying terrible nasty things, will be banned. There is a big difference. I understand that it sounds very intolerant/extreme, and it’s been a long time since a story has affected me like this. This is a domestic violence case and it’s outrageous that people are blaming the victim. again, TMZ is running stories from Mel’s people and of course they’re going to say there are holes in her story, the photos don’t show bruising, etc. How else are they going to defend an inexcusable act and so much evidence of abuse?
As someone who grew up in a violent environment with a beat-down, co-dependent mother and a drunken, rage-filled, sociopath father, this gave me flashbacks. I’ve read comments here and other places from people who have these hairbrained theories of her making all this up, forgetting the fact that we’ve seen this song and dance from Mel before.
I wish my mother would’ve lived in the age of cell phones with recorders. Sure, she or Oskana would’ve been baiting their abuser, but you know without evidence, you just won’t have the evidence to stay alive. Protective orders aren’t easily granted.
Wow. CB you’re going to censor anyone who does not agree with you on this topic? How about all the other posts that commenter’s disagree on daily, are you going to take sides and delete anyone who doesn’t see things your way!? I’m shocked that we are not allowed to have an open discussion on this topic. I haven’t seen anyone say they are for abusing women or children or that Oksana deserved to be hit. All I’ve seen is a few people, myself included, questioning the authenticity of the tapes which sound very doctored and the motives of someone to go to some sleazy tabloid website to sell the tapes in the first place. I understand getting evidence and going to the police, but this just seems like some sort of money making scheme to me.
There IS bruising I cna see it and there is significant swelling ( Im a med student ) the blues and yellows dont nessarily show somtimes they take a week to finally pop up, somtimes they are instantanious. But I CAN see swelling oon her face and her lips and I can also see remnents of blood meaning she might have not been hit once but twice and simultaniously. Which means he punched then pulled back then punched her again- he knew what he was doing the second time around. Thats probablly when the teeth broke because the second blow would have had more momentum than the first. Which begs the question of whether or not he had her up against a wall when he was doing it or going after her. And whether or not she actually did have the child in her arms at the time.
Last evening I watched a show on CNBC I believe and one of the guests was Billy Baldwin, a right wing Christian. He asked for forgivness and healing for Mel. How many people could embrase that statement? None of us personally know any of the people involved in this scandel yet we are all quick to point fingers and call people names, choose sides before all the facts have been compiled. I just got yelled at on this site for keeping an open mind and asking some simple questions.
What we all have to remember, in America we are innocent until proven guilty. It is easy to accuse and ruin a persons reputation. At this point in time the evidence certainly looks damning for Mel but without a direct confession or video evidence it is her word against his.
We now live in a world where one person can post a story online and every major news outlet will run with it as the truth. It is easy to minipulate and spin things the way we want thanks to the internet and social media. We have also become a society who loves to see those on top fall. Most online celebrity sites are cruel and demeaning and the posts are equally as abusive of celebrities and each other.
Interesting, I haven’t seen anyone get as passionate or as polarized over the BP oil spill as they have over “Melgate”. Not to change the subject but I would love to see a debate on where all the celebrity fundraisers are for the Gulf disaster. They came out in droves for Haiti but have been totally silent on a disaster here at home.
“That is how this mess should have been handled. Call the cops and have him arrested.”
yeah, because it’s just that easy to arrest a rich, powerful man for domestic violence. look how well that worked for nicole simpson.
@Schaunzers, I agree-something is not adding up..I have a pic just like this one before I HAD to get veneers, due to gum disease..I am not condoning anything crazy Mel has done but-this pic is fishy to me. if her teeth were loose from the hit-she could not get veneers because of the gum damage.
Mel asked for it and he got it and he’s gonna get much more now.
Celebitchy and others who write for this blog- I haven’t noticed anything sensationsal or a hint of exaggeration in your coverage. Quite the contrary actually. I am sickened by some comments here and I fully support and understand your decision to delete comments in which people try to put the blame on a victim here. I don’t know why is that, why so many poeple try to excuse the inexcusable. Try to justify violence, abuse and a total lack of respect for another human being.Is that because he’s a movie star? Is that because she’s an Eastern-European?I don’t know but it saddens me.
Radar’s exaggerations are hurting Oksana’s credibility. Radar’s sources at various times said that Oksana had a concussion, had bruises all over her face, had two black eyes, teeth broken, and a tooth completely knocked out. All of that makes you think of the Rihanna photo, but worse.
But now we know that Oksana went to her dentist the next day, and the dentist entered a sworn statement saying that one veneer was knocked out, another veneer split, but her TEETH were not damaged. This photo doesn’t show any cuts or swelling on her mouth area. There could be bruising on her eye area–or it could be shadows. I think this photo helps the defense more than the prosecution.
No Squirtle I am not censoring people, I am making sure that awful blaming hateful things are not posted. There is a big difference. That’s the last I’ll say about this crap. Shame on TMZ for supporting Mel Gibson.
-Edit- Kaiser and I have been talking about this, and I would like to apologize for getting so worked up about it. This is a horrendous story of abuse and I find it so upsetting that anyone could take Mel Gibson’s side. We are not deleting all comments that don’t agree with us and of course that would be wrong. We’re keeping an eye on this thread to make sure that terrible things aren’t posted.
You know in the bible when the local church leaders brought the woman “who was caught in the very act of adultery” to Jesus the man was not brought. Was she in adultery all by herself? Of course not, it takes two to “tango” right? Probably the man who was caught in adultery with her was one of the church leaders who exposed her.
That’s the way it always has been – the woman is scorned, ridiculed, and looked down upon; but the man does not get the same treatment. My son was sexually assaulted at a residential facility when he was 7 yrs. old by a 16 yr. (who was his roommate) due to neglect and lack of supervision. I was single and in financial hardships. When I tried filing a lawsuit against the facility I was looked down upon by my lawyers “that I was after money”. This facility had judges, big lawyers, very influential people on the board of directors and they stood by the facility that my 7 yr. old son perpetrated the 16 yr. old to have sex with him when the 16 yr. old had a background of sexual assault on younger children? In society single mothers who are struggling financially are so looked down upon and misjudged.
I am so concerned for this whole outcome of Mel/Oksana; I’m afraid that Oksana’s evidence is going to be thrown away and she will lose the baby Mel will have full custody and he will go on portraying himself as the “devoted, loving father” not giving any emotional support to this child. Because he is famous, because he is “Mel Gibson”, because there are too many people who overlook his true side. He really must have power: I think it’s because people are scared to death to deal with him. Which makes a great father, I think he would have the baby in fear around him, but he’s the “loving, caring, devoted” father who is not there all the time, who will not be there for the child. He said he wants a “nice woman” to raise his child, well he needs to raise the child himself and not hire some “nice” woman that he will release his anger on. He’s not going to have a “nice” woman because he’s not a nice man.
This child is only a psychological “crutch” to come against Oksana with, to take her away, to control money and the child and to give himself a good image, a “second chance” in life, but the child is not the “new life” or the “second chance” in life: you can’t have a “new life” with the same abusive issues in yourself!!
Um, Schnauzers — what part of “You fucking deserved it” do you not understand?
For anybody interested, the NY Times has weighed in on their Op-Ed page this morning with a devastating assessment of Mel Gibson and his all-encompassing narcissism. Here is an excerpt:
You can read the whole piece here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/opinion/16brooks.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
how do u see the photograph? I’ve tried clicking on the hyperlink but it shows a pic of mel and oksana at a function
@squirtle – you think what’s on those tapes is just “some money making scheme”? how exactly is it that the tapes sound doctored? are you a recording expert?
spare me the “censorship” angle. this website, like many, carries an consistent, written policy that certain comments will be removed. comments on other topics have been removed in the past.
information outlets (and this is a celeb gossip site based on writer opinion, not the WSJ) do not have an obligation to provide a platform for abuse-enablers and this does not make them “censors”.
get em CB!
he makes me sick.
CB – I understand that you are an emotional and caring person. Those are wonderful qualities to have and I think they contribute to why I love this site. You all aren’t vicious like Perez Hilton. You have compassion for most celebrities because you realize that they are really just people too. It’s also not something that I think you should ever apologize about. I never said you shouldn’t care for her and worry for her.
However, I see a difference between saying, “To me her eyes appear to be very bruised” and “She’s black & blue.” One is presented as an opinion/personal observation and the other as an undeniable fact. To me, personally, there is just a huge difference between those two statements and it reminds me of the often bad reporting on certain news stations where opinion is presented as fact when it’s just not.
I am not defending Mel by any means. I tried to make that abundantly clear. I think that there is enough evidence to condemn him WITHOUT having to further speculate. Like you said she’s been called terrible names and received death threats AND her teeth are broken. Those are all obvious and proven and are quite enough evidence in her favor. I also never said that the tapes were doctored. I never said that she deserved it because she’s a “gold digger.” I simply stated that since there is enough evidence against him, I would prefer if we just stuck to that evidence. I don’t see what’s wrong with that.
OMFG. Somebody needs to work that POS over with a baseball bat.
gg, if you want to see the photo, go here: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-photo-oksana-after-she-says-mel-gibson-punched-her-mouth
tmz is pretty sleaze-tastic – i wouldnt be surprised if they eventually go the way of perez hilton, whose readership i believe has dropped off significantly due to his own sleaze factor.
also, IMO, this case, and cases like it, qualify as “domestic violence”, even without actual hitting.
@Kaiser “I’m sure that there will be plenty of people screaming obscenities at the woman and saying she deserved it and look she tried to extort him! Most of those people don’t sound that much different from ranting alcoholic Mel. There’s no way to couch this in any kind of twisted logic, they’re blaming the victim.’
Thank you for unbiased opinion! Other sites including ‘perezhilton’, are floated by pro- Mel comments..It is so awful..it seems there is whole team working for Gibson’s clan!In my oponion they are just hypocritical ‘cristian’ family who got lucky by misleading us for years..And made millions playing on naivity of people.. It is such a paradox that ‘deprived idiot who needs brain transplant’brought them down.. They always got away before..
There are rumours that when she went to Russia,under pretext of seeing Lucia,he staid overnight and tried to intrude her computer to find evidence against him and sent ‘extortion’ e-mails to his e-mail adress .. I dont know if this true,but i remembered that this man called Violet Koval claims ‘absurd fabrication’..And it turned out to be that he was lying..So really he does not have any credibility..Regarding photo,it is not as heartbreaking as Rihanna,but still she looks very pitiful.. But even if photo didnt exist those audios are just enough
Horrible, that photograph is bottom of the barrel! Meaning, this guy is one step away from breaking this woman’s neck if he ever can get close enough to her. How in the world, with all of this evidence, is this man still allowed to visit his daughter? How and why? Like I said, bottom of the barrel, this man is the dregs!
Ok comma colon, thank you for your kind and well written response. You kissed ass a little bit and I appreciate that. 😉 I have to write these stories very quickly and sometimes I make assumptions that on second thought are hasty or incorrect. I will update that to include the caveat that it looks like there is bruising but I can’t be sure, or something similar. That was a good point.
I think some people are confused by the photos. The photos CB posted do not show Oksana with her face all banged up and her teeth broken. That photo is on radaronline and cannot be reproduced on any other web site. But you can see the black eyes, broken teeth and all if you click on this link:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-photo-oksana-after-she-says-mel-gibson-punched-her-mouth
Be warned. It’s pretty disturbing.
Jaybird always removed my comments when I did not agree with her – and I was not rude or aggressive. I am now continually moderated as punishment. I really appreciate the thoughtful sensitivity of CB on this and other subjects – but I really don’t think that banning all insensitive/ignorant commentators is the solution.
Viper– Thank you for giving us your opinion of the picture as a med student. It’s incredible to think she was hit multiple times in the face.
To the domestic violence apologists– are you honestly still in doubt?
1. Threats to batter a woman are a major predictive factor that she WILL be battered.
2. We’ve HEARD his threats– not just to beat her, but to KILL her.
3. We’ve heard her accuse him of hitting her in the face and he not only doesn’t deny it, he tells he she deserved it.
4. AND now there’s a photograph and a dentist corroborating the story. But if you can’t quite make out any bruises around her eyes, she clearly knocked her own veneers out? Seriously??
So are you Gibson supporters experts in soft tissue injuries or what?
CB-I applaud this site for being responsible and standing up for what is right.
Most people are in it for the coverage and don’t care this is about a human being who was obviously terrorized and abused. Unfortunately nothing any of us say is going to get through their thick skulls and forget where she came from or their relationship status and just see it for what it is.
one more thing- if the picture was somewhat fake, that is if the wounds were self inflicted, wouldn’t Oksana make it look much worse (I’m thinking Rihanna picture)with proper makeup etc?This picture seems genuine BECAUSE it doesn’t “look” that bad. sorry if it sounds confusing, I find it hard to express myself in English.
Thanks for the article Cheyenne, I never heard about a narcissim. I’ve been hearing it from all these posts and I was wondering what that was.
Thank you CB and it wasn’t intentional ass kissing – I meant it genuinely :). As I said in every other post I’ve made on this thread, I really do love this site. It helped me kick my Perez Hilton addiction cold turkey!
cannot believe i’m about to share this online & in no way shape or form am i team mel…
howev…imo…& only because i’ve been punched in the mouth before (this was over 20 years ago & yes i immediately removed myself many many miles away from the abuser & i have a wonderful life now) i know how the surrounding tissue looks & feels after blunt force trauma.
& in this photo there doesn’t seem to be any bruising or swelling in her gum or lip region…comparatively speaking of course.
to me…it looks as if her veneers were removed & that is the true condition of her natural teeth.
@susieqinBA:
I’m so sorry you went through that with your child. I’m sorry for the pain that both of you went through, and will always feel about that. Out of all the comments, yours broke my heart. I wish you’d had someone to stand up with you that could yell louder than all the lawyers and judges.
Do I think Oksana pushed his buttons? Sure. When you’re with someone long enough you know how to make them angry. There’s a difference between a normal healthy argument, and this. In no way did she ask for this. His rage, and the pure vitriol that spews out of this man’s soul? That’s abuse, and it’s terrifying. Do we know what went on behind closed doors? No. But should he be judged on what he said? YES. Those words are his, they are coming out of his mouth, they are his feelings, his rage. I can’t imagine being in her situation, and my heart goes out to her, and her children. Mel Gibson is the one who portrayed himself as the monster. No one else has done it for him. I haven’t listened to the tapes because the thought of hearing it makes my stomache clench and my head hurt. I hope Oksana is remembered as the victim, and that she gets security, and that she and her son get counseling to help them.
@ Cheyenne
The NYT!!!! Please. Citing the Times as a source for any moral argument is meaningless.
They have never even bothered to rectify their slobbering support for Stalin, while he was literally starving millions of Russians to death. The Times denied there was even a food shortage at the time. It was later revealed that their Moscow reporter, Walter Duranty, was a communist and a Stalin supporter.
The NYT has a rigid agenda, and the record shows that their agenda colors all their reporting, editorializing, and selection of opinion pieces.
Mel Gibson is not someone the Times would ever slobber over, even tho he’s no Stalin.
(And I’m NOT a Gibson apologist).
@cheyenne – just read the times article – i can’t stand david brooks, generally, b/c the tone of his writing irritates me to no end, and this piece is no exception. i disagree with his diagnosis of mel as a narcissist – im not a mental health professional (and neither is david brooks) – im just making a purely academic/semantic point that i think rageaholic or plain old psychopath/sociopath or something would be a more accurate diagnosis than narcissism – not sure narcissism cuts it for mel.
@susieqinBA I am so sorry for you and your son. I went through that except I was 6, the babysitter was 16. You have helped your son by believing and sticking up for him. In my case my mother said I was lying so she wouldn’t go out. Even if the facility didn’t do anything, you have helped your son so much just by believing him and trying to seek justice.
As for Mel, I wish they’d just but his butt in jail. Can he go infront of Judge Revel?
I have never been abused by a man, thank God. But I know if I ever was I would be calling the cops pronto. Why didn’t she?
any man that hits a woman or uses words to beat her down is a monster. but the same goes for a woman.
i can never identify with people who are abused because at the first sign of anything from a man id shut that guy out of my life forever. how do you even become attracted to someone like that? i believe a persons real personality always shines through. i will never understand how it gets to the point where theres a fist in your face and you stay…
and i would like to agree with the people who say if she seriously just wanted to get away, all she needed to do is go to the police asap. going to the media just shows how money hungry she is.
Way to go CB for deleting offensive posts! woot woot!!
After OJ Simpson was aquitted, there were folks who were letting him hold their babies and getting pictures, even though they admitted that THEY THOUGHT HE WAS GUILTY.
Think about that. You give your baby to a man you think killed two people.
There are many in our society who will do the same for Mel Gibson. Excuse everything he has said and done and could do, all because he is FAMOUS.
It’s really horrifying.
I still try to picture what kind of angle she was in, how she was position to recieve a blow like that. One of my dorm mates think he got her while he was over her or ontop of her- which might have meant she was on a couch. And if she said she had a baby in her arms she could have been sitting there breast feeding the baby at the time to getting it to go to sleep. She says somthign that gets him to lunge a fist at her.
HOWEVER
The swelling and bruising can also be caused my dentist work, say, an upper gum procdure or wisdom tooth pulling/blood clotting. So I maybe COMPLETELY off or right on. Hell I can even assume she bit down and broke her own teeth or feel and chipped them like a friend of mine did. I can’t do much with such a tiny photo but at least I am not ruling out abuse.
CB – I love your site and have been reading for a while now. This is my 2nd attempt at 1st time posting…I hope this gets posted…
I want to comment to the posters that don’t understand why Oksana seemed “so calm” in the tapes.
I, unfortunately, have experienced being with an angry rageaholic. I was very young, and dependent on this boy. He controlled me (for a short time) and my every move. Every time the anger started to show, I would try to stop it or reverse the eventual outcome by keeping cool and slowing down my replies. It was my automatic defense system that came from nowhere and it was a desparate attempt to diffuse the anger. It never worked for me and the anger eventually resulted in one hit that ended it all. I was lucky to have my sister, who made me go down to the police station, fill out the forms, and make the claim against this guy. He went to jail that night, eventually lost his government classification and his job. I tried to back out that night, but my sister wouldn’t let me. I am so grateful to have had someone on my side.
I believe her story because of my own experience. I believe she was probably completely dependent on him, afraid of him, and lost her independence because of him.
I also believe that he wields power in LA and will probably (only) suffer the damage done to his “image”.
I hope this is a wakeup call for anyone that aligns with him.
I will boycott everyone that works with him in the future. I am waiting for Jodie Foster to come out on record about this, because I am still a fan of hers, but will dump her in a hot minute if she backs him up.
Thanks for posting this and thanks for reading my 2 cents.
There was a girl in my city who had run away from her abusive boyfriend, then decided to run a front page story about it in the daily newspaper, complete with a huge photo of her face.
Many people asked, WHY THE HELL WOULD SHE DO THIS….NOW HE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS/WHAT SHE IS DOING/WHERE TO FIND HER….They ranted on and on.
The truth is, unless you are a human being hunted the actions of the hunted dont make sense – she put her story in the paper so that if anyone ever saw her in trouble on the street, or even with a man on the street seemingly happy, they would know to get her help or to keep an eye on her.
This story is very similar. To those who say she should have quietly gone to the police etc – abusive stories are all the same, yet very different. What works for the hunted will vary EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I feel sickened by the way people want to blame her for ANYTHING they can think of, rather than call this for what it is.Domestic Violence.Hello, there are laws against this, remember? Whether you are rich and famous or not.
Ask Chris Brown whether that affected HIS career plans.
Now it’s the tapes or pics that are “altered” or she’s” done that” to herself, or”only” the veneers were knocked off not her actual teeth?Gee, I guess that must have hurt a lot less, huh?
All you need to know is contained in those vile awful tapes.Whether she knew they were recorded and watched what she said or not, and whether she remained calm and that “set him off”he said what he said and went on and on and on.He didn’t shut up when she was calm.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER SPEAK TO ANOTHER PERSON THE WAY HE SPOKE TO HER.
PERIOD.Can any circumstances EVER excuse the filthy words and demands he gives?Since when is it okay to combine threats of violence with demands for sex acts?
That is the ugliest,most vile, hateful bile spewing mouth on the planet.
He and Ann Coulter would make a good couple.
How can anyone still think that man is a “christian” now?What about those disgusting things he said are remotely related to what a good, decent man would say to a woman, let alone someone who is supposed to be a church leader and christian icon?That’s why those people like Stephan Baldwin are reluctant to condemn him,if he was an atheist, they’d be all over him being put in jail.Instead, they will pray for him. Not for her, not for his poor daughter who is in the middle of this, HIM.
I think he’s lucky they got released because, I seriously think he would have done something like OJ did.
Also, he confirms something she said on these tapes, that HE lied about. He first said he and his pregnant gf were together only around a year and a half and was all” but me and my wife weren’t really together for all that” and she recently said they had been together 3 yrs.One tape has him making a remark about “the last 3 yrs.”
So who’s credible here?
Also, Tommy Lee got 6 months or so in the pokey for hitting Pam with the baby in her arms, think Mel will get anything similar?
Once more, to the people who question why she sounds so calm and monotone and see that as evidence that things are doctored and/or set up:
1) Some people react to overwhelming displays of emotion by going into the opposite direction, so not mirroring his level of intensity, but absorbing it, in a way. If someone yells at me, especially someone who is big and scary and in a position of power, I go silent, and if I speak at all, it’s very softly. It’s a way of trying not to fuel the fire, and it’s an instinct. It’s not _calm_ it’s self protection, it doesn’t mean she’s not upset. It’s entirely likely that she burst into tears the moment he hung up the phone.
2) Her native language is Russian, which has a completely different set of tonals and stresses. When you’re upset because someone is screaming abuse at you and threatening to come over to do worse, you probably aren’t paying attention to your intonations and inflections while speaking your second language. I know I don’t.
3) HE clearly doesn’t think it’s weird that she is responding like this. If she was normally yelling back and suddenly calm to tape him, or had been goading him and was now calm, don’t think he’d remark on that? He sounds like this is normal to him.
I don’t know about the picture. I don’t know about the tapes. I know what I hear sounds utterly horrible, and if its true I hope he just disappears completely forever. However, as bad as it sounds I STILL feel like until we have the entire story (and I don’t think we’ve even hit mid-iceberg) I can’t condemn him wholeheartedly. No one deserves to be beat up, I know this from personal experience. However from other experiences I have learned that what can be completely shocking could also be half truths. I’m not saying he didn’t say the horrible things he did. I’m torn because I’ve seen both sides before and although my heart tells me to hate his guts and watch him burn, my mind is telling me to try and keep an unbiased opinion until all the facts come out.
@andrea: I am not in any way an “abuse-enabler” as you put it. You obviously don’t know how to read, because I specifically stated that I am not for abuse of any kind. As for the tapes sounding doctored, have you actually heard them? I’m not the only person who has stated they sound strange. In fact, many reporters in the media have started to question them also, I know because I actually listen to the news instead of getting all my facts from gossip sites, so maybe you should go ask for their qualifications as well.
I looked at the picture and while she does have normally puffy lips, her lips look swollen in the picture, especially the bottom lip. She doesn’t appear to be wearing makeup and her lips are a bit red, which is consistent with soft tissue injury. Also, keep in mind that the mouth was probably cleaned up for the dentist to take this picture. Most dentists take before and after pictures of damaged teeth, so this is not something new or out of the ordinary. I chipped a tooth and my dentist did before and afters.
The women who have gone through abuse need to explain to the imbeciles the reality of going to the police with abuse complaints, and the reality of the judicial system, ESPECIALLY when you’re dealing with a mega-rich/famous/powerful man. Shut it already with she should’ve known he was abusive, or run to the cops. Abusers can be very charming to lure the woman in, then the true colors emerge. Thank goodness she left and is fighting for her child, some women don’t find that strength. Even if he was wearing a sign that said Abuser, she doesn’t deserve to be beaten up and abused. You have a sick soul if you think it’s justified in any way. This constant underbelly of hatred against women in our society is VILE. Women need to stand by other women instead of piling on out of jealousy or self-hate.
andrea – Yea, I used to read Perez daily. I haven’t been there in a year and a half. His hate was grating. He was so mean, for the sake of being mean!
Celebrities are people too. I disliked how he hates on Vanessa Hudgens for the crime of dating Zac Efron. And how he smeared Isaiah Washington and later backtracked with apologies when he had his own scandal using the F word.
Ugh. Hypocrite and nasty human being. TMZ is a team of trash. They’re going down too.
I was in a relationship with someone and in the middle of the night he just lost his mind, similar to what was on these tapes. The “instigation” for his screaming and punching the headboard as I laid in the bed was that I touched the thermostat.
My response was only to say “I’m sorry” because I was scared. I didn’t want the situation to escalate because I was afraid of being hurt, and I was blaming myself for his actions.
The only thing worse than curling up in the bed and covering my head with my arms for three hours, petrified to move or speak as he made his way through the apartment punching walls and throwing things and yelling at me, was having a friend suggest to me that it wasn’t that big of a deal and that sometimes people just get angry. That type of dialogue is what keeps women in dangerous situations like this.
I’m glad she made the tapes. I’m glad that the comments blaming her for what he did are banned on this website. If for no other reason, it will get the message across to someone who happens to read the comments that this behavior is abusive, that it is dangerous, and that it is not their fault.
It’s hard to see her face because Radar put its huge pink logo across. The teeth are clearly visible; one front veneer is chipped while the other is missing. Both eyelids are wine-colored and below her eyes there might be a little redness but it’s hard to see with the logo. No other possible facial bruising in evident in the photo. The huge logo splashed across the middle and the graininess of the image make it hard to judge whether the color on the eyelids is bruising. Out of curiosity, I googled images of black eyes, and they look very different from what is visible here. I’ll let the lawyers and judge sort this one out.
@Celebitchy I understand how you feel about moderating. You just want to keep the conversation here as civil as possible. As a webmaster, I feel yo pain.
This photo made me feel sick as well. I feel so bad for her. I also agree with those mentioning Rihanna — immediately going to the authorities, for her and baby’s sake.
About the bruising…
I don’t see it, but perhaps it didn’t develop yet and here’s my theory: Thursday night of *last* week I went out and while going through the train station turnstile, I bumped into it (LOL). That was around 10pm. I didn’t realize I bruised until the following night, almost *24 hours* later. It’s been over a week and it’s still purple-yellowish (going away).
Perhaps the altercation occurred in the evening. I think Oksana’s bruising had not yet developed by the following morning at the dentist office, so it’s not clearly seen in the photo just yet.
My $0.02
I try to spend as little time as possible on these Gibson stories.
The transcripts of his rants alone make me very, very upset – both physically and emotionally. I’m sure if I listened to the audio I’d have a full blown panic attack. And now as if we needed further proof of domestic abuse – that picture speaks a thousand words. Who the hell cares if there isn’t “dramatic bruising”?! The woman clearly suffered blunt force trauma directly to her mouth! And as one who has experience with fat lips – that puffiness isn’t filler.
But even more disturbing than Mel Gibson, are the Mel Gibson sychophants. The people who defend Gibson’s actions by hypothesizing about Oksana’s mens rea/behavior.
You know who you are.
“Why did she stay?” “Why didn’t she call the police?” “Why did she want money from the tapes if she did nothing wrong?”
I understand the natural curiosity about why one would stay in such a relationship. As an educated (read: opinionated and inexperienced) teenager, I would question the motives of abused woman. “Why does she stay?”, I’d ask with a tone of moral superiority. It didn’t make sense that anyone would stay in submission unless they were somehow benefiting from that relationship.
It wasn’t until I ended up in a verbally/emotionally, and at times, physically abusive relationship that I began to understand the complexities of the human dynamic.
How my own actions and reactions were counterintuitive to my previous logic, because all my self-worth was tied up in trying to make a terrifying man happy.
How I became suicidally depressed – an angry and bitter shell of a woman.
So for those of you who attempt to mitigate/justify Mel’s behavior by questioning Oksana’s – I hope you, your sisters, your friends, and your daughters never have to experience the claustrophobia of an abusive partner.
On behalf of abused women everywhere – take him down, Oksana.
I’m going to repost this from a few days ago, since it seems to need repeating.
Steeze: i can never identify with people who are abused because at the first sign of anything from a man id shut that guy out of my life forever. how do you even become attracted to someone like that? i believe a persons real personality always shines through. i will never understand how it gets to the point where theres a fist in your face and you stay…
No. No, I imagine you don’t. Of course you don’t become attracted to ‘someone like that (someone who abuses)’ It never starts with being hit. It starts with a really charming man, someone who can really ‘turn it on’, and with investing a lot into a relationship. Maybe you gave up your lease to live with him, or moved to a strange city, or co-signed a mortgage, or had kids. Then very subtly he starts chipping away at your selfesteem. He gives you so much. You are lucky to be with him. Nobody else would put up with you. If you were a better person, he wouldn’t get so angry. You could never make it without him.
And the occasional nastiness is usually made good with apologies and extra sweetness… until the next time. And anyway, he was drunk so he couldn’t help it, and it was kind of your fault, you shouldn’t have done (X, Y, Z).
In most cases the physical abuse doesn’t start until you well and truly believe, to the depths of your soul, that nobody else could ever possibly love you, because you are completely worthless, you could never make it on your own, you would end up in the gutter.
THEN the hitting starts. The first time it might be just a slap. And you maybe want to leave, but you live together and you’d have so much to arrange… and you might not have friends or family to help you (because he’s isolated you) and you might not have money (because he controls it). And meanwhile he apologises, and buys flowers, and you love him so much, and it was partly your fault too, you provoked him (right?) and he would never ever do that again. And what would you do without him? So you stay. And at some point ‘once’ becomes ‘hardly ever’ and then ‘only sometimes’ and you’re walking on eggshells to try to make sure you don’t provoke him. And when he’s made sure you’re dependent on him in every way, and that there is nothing left of your personality apart from the bits frantically trying to avoid setting off his temper (sorry, ‘provoking’) you might actually realise that you used to be a strong woman who was never going to put up with abuse.
And even if you realise what is going on and finally break through the idea that it’s somehow your fault, it is hard to extract yourself – what are you doing to do? How are you going to survive, with no money and support network to speak of? Meanwhile he might be threatening you further violence if you were to leave him (“If you ever leave me I’ll kill you” is far more common than you’d think. He can even dress it up with “I love you so much that” for extra mindfuck value) or violence to your children or pets. He might become a stalker or violent and harassing in others ways, and some people decide that ‘the devil you know’ might actually be better than having to look around every corner.
Ending up a victim of domestic abuse has nothing to do with strength of character. It sneaks up on you. And some people are better equipped (by life, by circumstances, by their childhood experiences, by their environments) to extract themselves than others. But don’t judge those who don’t manage it, or take a long time to do it. You really have no idea, and I hope you never will.
@searching4gr and cantbelieveit:
Thank you for heartfelt response. I had no support my mother said it was all my fault and I was after money. I was an emotional “wreck” then so it really affected me from getting good support. I tend to be more personally involved and aggressive when it comes to seeing “powerful, influential” people get punished for their exposed wrongdoings and by some technicality they go away unpunished, gets “swept under the rug” and the victim is put to shame.
I believe Oksana took advantage of Mel’s vulnerability and weaknesses and is using his anger and disorders against him (coming from emotional issues myself I never had any “true” friends who would help me thru my issues they would use my emotional state against me “you need a doctor” no I needed a friend who would listen and hear ME); I’m not supporting her, no one not even hookers/prostitutes should be treated and talked to like that. I have to say it is good that all this is being exposed about Mel (it may be for his ruin, but it is also for his good). If she had any genuine concern about Mel or his best interest at heart last year she would have never come up pregnant.
My feelings for Mel are one of deep understanding as well as of discipline/correction. I believe there is a pure man hidden deeply within who is held captive by this beast we hear. I cried when I hear these tapes he is hurting so deeply and he is in so much pain. Please don’t misunderstand me I’m not making excuses for him; I am a very deep, spiritual person, I see deeply and I see/hear what a lot of other people don’t. All this exposure of Mel I hope will bring him to a deeper and greater enlightnment to drive the beast out – not control the beast – you can’t “control” the beast in his situation (he’s been “controlling” it for years, but the beast is still there and will always be surfacing). The beast has to be driven out and then the pure man I believe he truly wants to be will come to fruition.
@squirtle – i wasn’t calling *you* an abuse-enabler, but thanks anyway for your mean-spirited, personally-attacking comment. i write for the website of one of the 4 major news networks and am an attorney, but, yes, clearly i don’t know how to read, have no idea about “reporters in the media”, nor do i know how to identify reputable sources of information. don’t bother writing another nasty response, i won’t be checking back on this thread.
TMZ always seems to be the sewage pipeline for smear machines against women. We stopped going reading that site ages ago. Same with that Perez twit, but TMZ is more disturbing because it’s corporate. What’s doubly sickening about these sites is they’re run by gay men. They viciously bash women, yet rely on women as big supporters of gay rights. It’s perplexing how any woman would visit these misogynistic users
Allowing some to post that he deserves abuse and worse while not allowing others to write the same about her is censorship. Done with good intentions (he is an #$% afterall), but still censorship. As is allowing posters, with opposing views, to be targeted.
I think it’s pretty clear everyone agrees that Mel clearly has psychological problems and is despised by the general population, but what if this involved a female who is despised? LeAnn Rimes perhaps … or a male who is respected like George Clooney? Would there be the same amount of outrage? What about Pam Anderson? She held one of their boys while being abused … .
JFTR. I think they are both emotionally unstable. My heart goes out to their poor child.
Not trying to be a bitch but that looks like a photoshop job. There is serious blurring of the front left tooth and the rounded edge of the front right tooth doesn’t match the pattern of a punch in the mouth. I’ve been hit in the mouth, I’m a survivor of Domestic Violence and I do believe he hit her, I just don’t think that photo is real.
DISCLAIMER changing my name to audrey|NYC, so as not to be confused with the andrea who posted this:
” i disagree with his diagnosis of mel as a narcissist – im not a mental health professional (and neither is david brooks) – im just making a purely academic/semantic point that i think rageaholic or plain old psychopath/sociopath or something would be a more accurate diagnosis than narcissism – not sure narcissism cuts it for mel.”
@andrea: There is nothing incompatible with a diagnosis of narcissim and sociopath. Sociopaths are by definition narcissists, since their sole focus is on good ole number one. They think the world revolves around them and their wishes and they don’t give a damn about anyone else.
@ Tess: The Times’ “slobbering support for Stalin” was what, something like 60 years ago? I think there has been considerable change in the makeup of their editorial staff since then.
I can’t edit my comment anymore but to me one of the most telling insights into abusive relationships and why women stay in them is this:
‘If you were a better person, he wouldn’t get so angry’
Something’s not right here. I’m smelling a conspiracy for money. Mel Gibson sounds like a really gross, DRUNKEN, abusive pig on those tapes and I don’t know if he’s EVER hit OG but I also don’t know if I accept OG’s story about how her teeth got broken or how the tapes got out. How did the damage bypass those lips? Were her lips open wider than a man’s balled up fist? She has big, plumped up, puffy lips, (the skin has to be stretched and they’re also full of stuff) so if she got hit so hard in the mouth to BREAK a veneer (forget the dislodged veneer) wouldn’t she at least have a split lip(s)? That damage smells of having been done in front of the mirror. Similarly I smell something with how the tapes got out. Aside from leaving them with specific instructions, I would only choose someone trustworthy, smart and who has good judgement, to entrust something like those tapes to “just in case something happened to me”, and that that person would then, without consulting me, and without my permission, for whatever reason, turn those tapes over to the media, I would be outraged and I would bring a case against that person. They’re both coming across to me as awful people.
yeah, because it’s just that easy to arrest a rich, powerful man for domestic violence. look how well that worked for nicole simpson.
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It worked for Rhiana. Staying in a dangerous situation to record more violence is crazy and irresponsible parenting. The longer you stay and engage a crazy person, the more likely you will be hurt. Besides, it’s not like the Malibu PD are huge Mel fans anyway.
Thank you for speaking out about TMZ. Do they get paid to be minions of abusers, rapists, etc either in cash or traded favors/stories??? Isn’t TMZ owned by Warner Bros ? Does Mel Gibson have a Warner Bros. connection? Charlie Sheen’s show is produced by Warner Bros. Or does trashing the woman bring more hits (no pun intended) to their site? Or is it just gratuitous women-hate by that gang of frat boy miscreants that run that cyber-swamp
“It worked for Rhiana.”
true, but she is/was a lot more famous than Nicole Brown Simpson.
“I just don’t think that photo is real.”
I SERIOUSLY doubt that a dentist would risk his medical license (and god knows what else) by falsifying evidence in a domestic violence case.
Chris Brown doesn’t have close to the power, money, celebrity of Mel Gibson. Rianna was a beloved celebrity in her own right with some power. He beat her to a pulp and there were witnesses to the argument and an impactful photo. Even with all that, she had to fight for every inch and was trashed. And you don’t know how the Malibu sheriffs feel about MG. The fact is, he brings in a lot of money to Malibu and the county and he has powerful allies. Money trumps all
Bruises take days to fully form. Her eyes definitely look red and swollen. I used to volunteer at a women’s shelter and many times a woman would come in immediately after being beaten and not look like her injuries were too bad, but after about 24-48 hours she looked much worse. It is quite common.
Can you even believe the response from Mel Gibson’s publicist?? “Not true… her teeth are in her mouth according to our information.”
Wow. Just, wow.
andrea: Good! Don’t make comments to me if you can’t handle my response. I wasn’t talking to you in the first place.
Squirtle, your comments are ignorant. Andrea, if you do come back, RIGHT ON
He beat her to a pulp and there were witnesses to the argument and an impactful photo.
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And Oksana would have had the same, IF she had called the police in January, rather than waiting until July and calling Radar instead. If the cops had come to find her bruised and with missing teeth, Mel would have been arrested, just like he was arrested in 2006 for driving drunk. The only thing to do in this type of situation is call the police. Staying in a dangerous place (still to this day she is in his house) and baiting him on the phone to get evidence is insane, if you are worried for your safety and your kids’ safety. Every woman needs to get it through her head that you LEAVE the first time. NO excuses, just get out. Go to a shelter if nothing else. Any place is better than in an abusive situation.
I haven’t followed this story very closely because I find it really disturbing. I just wanted to make a general comment and say that we shouldn’t judge people by what we would do if we were in their shoes. Just because you’d call the police immediately if somebody abused you, it doesn’t mean that everyone would, otherwise something fishy is going on. Not everyone is strong enough, confident enough and brave enough to stand up to an abuser. The psychology of a woman in such a situation is very fragile. There are many feelings of denial and guilt that get in the way. So please don’t be so harsh on battered women who don’t immediately leave. It’s not that easy.
On a similar tone, some people bruise very easily, others can suffer a severe hit with minor bruises. So again, don’t judge by what happened to you.
They deserve each other.
He left a wife who loved him for 28 yrs and traded her in for the “younger model”. I suppose like all pathetic old men who do this he thought she loved him because he was so handsome and talented?!?! (Mad Max is looong gone, Mel. He’s been replaced by a busted drunk everyone would look at on the street and cringe away from if he was just a regular guy)
She so obviously set him up for this from the beginning it isn’t even debatable. Homewrecking aside. First illigitimate child with some other famous guy who didn’t take the bait Mel did aside. Who has a tape recorder running in their homes just at the right time to catch these arguments? They probably are tampered with to delete the “goading” I’m sure Oksana did. She knows how to push his buttons and knew how he’d react. KNOWING how he’d react, if she was a good Mother or when he started to react…why wouldn’t she put the baby down if she was concerned? Broken teeth? yes. but her face looks absolutely fine. how do you break two teeth and not leave a bloody, puffy, obviously bruised mouth?
Mel: racist, drunk, pathetic past his prime actor with anger management problems… He probably did slap her.
Oksana: homewreckng, gold digging, baby for $ (support) hideous excuse for a woman…probably did goad him into it on purpose
They deserve each other and I don’t pity either one
“Every woman needs to get it through her head that you LEAVE the first time. NO excuses, just get out.”
These days it is understood that many abused women are abused a second time and re-traumatized by people who degrade them, question their intelligence and good sense, second-guess their choices, and issue orders (just like the original abuser!) about what they should do.
Domestic violence is extremely complex, and has nothing to do with excuses.
I copied this from TMZ article that Oks was hit on the left side of her head not in her mouth as she has said. There is the evidence she WAS HIT!
“Although Dr. Shelden sees no evidence of a strike to the mouth, he does have a different scenario. We’ve learned Dr. Shelden believes Oksana was struck in the left temple, which caused her to bite down so hard, one veneer was completely knocked out and another was damaged. The charts reflect that Oksana’s teeth were fully intact.
Dr. Shelden observed a bruise on Oksana’s left temple, however, we know the photos he took in his office show no such bruising. The doctor’s explanation — Oksana was reluctant to have her picture taken and covered up the bruising with her hair and makeup — plus she was looking off to the side.
As for the mouth area, Dr. Shelden’s charts reflect two bite marks on the inside of the lower lip. The doctor says there was no swelling or bruising consistent with a punch to the mouth but believes instead the bite marks are consistent with “a chain reaction” after allegedly being hit in the temple.
There is nothing in the records indicating whether the doctor believes Oksana’s wounds may have been self-inflicted.”
@ Anne de Vries
Thanks for explaining but i think i already knew most of what you outlined…
i have to disagree with you though for saying: “Ending up a victim of domestic abuse has nothing to do with strength of character.”
i believe it has a lot to do with your character. because as soon as someone starts “chipping away at your self esteem” its time to show them the door.
i just wish these girls had a sister, mother, friend who would take over and extract them.
so, when you knock your own teeth out, you avoid bruising? Has anyone ever heard of someone knocking their own teeth out to get back at someone and get money? look, I do think OG thought she hit the jackpot when she met Mel, but I dont think she is crazy enough to doctor an hour of viscious ranting by mel and then knock her own damn teeth out. she has done nothing but lay low her entire life-she has a son and probably gets good child support from Dalton. she never gave off the fame-whore vibe and has done no interviews since she met Mel.
from the tapes, it sounds as is Mel was turning his abuse towards her son and ill bet you anything thats why she decided to leave him because he was abusive to her child. She tells him she cant mediate between them, and its is evident that he doesnt like the kid as he repeatedly calls him messed up and other names. I think she was terrified of this man and took a lot of steps to extricate herself from the situation over a number of months, and it wasnt a dramatic one night scene of being punched and then going to the cops etc. this was probably played out over a number of months and took time to execute.
Whether the pictures turn out to be altered or not, Mel’s threats & rants alone are enough to prove him abusive & in need of mental help.
The entire situation is sick . I am tired of the tapes, because the one that I listened to only brought back horrifying memories for me.
I think this whole situation should have been handled by her differently. She should have gone to the police with all of this long before it became public. Don’t get me wrong, he deserves to have this known by the public, but the law should have been involved first, then the media. One needs to worry about the children not the humiliation of a crazy psycho man.
Mel is finished, and if her aim is not to make money from this(from selling stories or tapes or whatnot), then I think any money she gets should be donated to women’s shelter’s, as the shelter’s and the women in them are in need of it.
I’m sure it wasn’t easy to leave cleanly since she had one of Mel’s “possessions”(the baby) to take with her, and someone like him isn’t about to let that go, even if he didn’t want OG anymore.I’m sure she wanted to and was too scared to try like so many abused women.I can’t really blame her, if those rants were the only ones she had taped, imagine how vile the ones that weren’t which scared her enough to make these!
And that dentist IS saying she had a bruise on her temple,where he thinks she got hit,so punch in the mouth or not, he did something, because if he hadn’t Mel would have gone ape shit on those recordings when she asked”what kind of man hits a woman holding a baby?”.
He would have called her a lying whore etc and said he never hit her, even if he didn’t know they were recorded. A man who wasn’t hitting you wouldn’t react like he did, telling you you deserved it.
“The doctor’s explanation — Oksana was reluctant to have her picture taken and covered up the bruising with her hair and makeup — plus she was looking off to the side.”
She appeared to be facing the camera directly in the Radar photo and her hair is pulled back from the face. She did not appear to be wearing foundation as her skin tone looks a little ruddy in places. She appears to be wearing lipstick. The reddish purple color on her upper lids may be eyeshadow or it may be bruising.
I’ll trust the judge to interpret the photo accurately.
It’s such a kindergarten behavior from TMZ. I literally was sitting and laughing at all their stories “from Mel’s camp”. Radar has all attention now, and i think that TMZ didn’t even gave the links to tapes. Because it’s not on their site. Everyone is quoting Radar. Radar gets all the press and viewers… They are like the Fist Lady now of information.
But now TMZ found back door of how to become First Lady. Now they are completely sold to Mel’s camp. They are like their spokesperson. Mel’s camp found the Strategy. No… They didn’t come out and say: “This is not Mel on tape”. Instead they say it was doctored. And she was blackmailing him…. And all the abusers and losers jumped and started to cry from happiness: “SHE IS BAD. There is the prove. Mel is innocent victim. We told you…” You should go and check comments on TMZ. I even afraid now to come to America. Judging from the comments on TMZ and EW.com it looks like every second guy in USA is beating his girlfriend and every second woman is abused and thinks that Mel’s behavior is normal. Why would they defend him otherwise?
“”what kind of man hits a woman holding a baby?”.
He would have called her a lying whore etc and said he never hit her, even if he didn’t know they were recorded. “
The response COULD have been spliced. I’m not saying I think it was. I’m just pointing out that digital is a very easy medium to edit. He said enough monstrous things on the tape to demonstrate beyond on a doubt that he is a hateful misogynist capable of verbal and physical abuse.
She has heavily applied reddish lipstick – that would conceal any bruises beginning to form on her lips.
Hey, “Whatever” Oksana has a photo and has recordings and she got a restraining order and left him and she’s still being trashed and blamed. What more do you want from her? A kidney? You rants are illogical and stink of agenda. Whatever she did or did not do, does not diminish what he did. She could’ve done nothing and he’d be 100% wrong.
RE: TMZ comments. You never know if comments are real or planted by PR people, etc.
So true. Radar has become the go-to website for info, and TMZ must be po’d. Seems their answer is a deal with the devil at the expense of women, especially women in true danger. It’s a truly ugly site.
Thanks, C/B for caring enough to monitor some of the outrageously callous victim-attacks.
I wanted to say that a lot of the negative comments, contrary to the poster’s intention, serve to support/prove:
1) the ignorance/idiocy of abuser-apologists.
2) the apparent immunity to facts and logic and their consistent denial.
3) the idea that the victim was truly and indesputably abused.
In other words when commenters say “Why didn’t she call police?” I think “Wow, she must have been scared sh*tless.”
I know I would have been.
But yeah another commenter mentioned the benefit of moronic comments serving to underscore the ignorance of some people and I kind of have to agree….
I can’t believe of how low TMZ has gone. They have a pool: Did Mel Hit Oksana?
89% Yes, 11% No Total Votes: 128,896
And yet I did read the comments under their “stories from Mel’s camp” and it’s like ONLY those abusers who defend Mel. It’s like 95% pro-Mel, 5% pro-Oksana. They are almost crying from happiness that “Finally. It’s all O’k. She is liar. Everything is fake. You go Mel”…. Does TMZ erase comments or this is how low the TMZ readers are? I don’t know – should i laugh at them or feel sorry.
I was sitting and laughing when reading their SCREAMING story. Where they found some unnamed doctor who says the bruised picture is doctored. And they don’t even mention their enemy’s site Radar. As EVERY other site that runs the Gibson stories. It’s “photo circulating on the Internet” on TMZ 🙂
But look at the picture of Oksana dentist. He is kind of cute, non? I’m surprised that Mel’s camp didn’t run the story about their affair. And they say he knows Oksana for years. Expect on TMZ: “Sources close to Mel say that Oksana is having an affair with her dentist. So he covers her up” in 3, 2, 1….
@SusieqinBC… you have been through so much and it is obvious by your comments that you worked very hard if you can be at a place to recognize and verbalize Mels pain without excusing his behavior.
Thank you for sharing a piece of your story,
your courage and strength is really inspiring.
and I agree wholeheartedly with the last portion of your 12:40 comment about O and Mel.
Your son is very lucky to have a mother who is able to go where you go with this topic.
I imagine it will help his healing enormously.
I understand why “S” thinks what she does about the US and our reaction to abuse.
It is amazing to read some of the comments on this site and mostly on other sites to see where peoples heads are truly at about this subject.
With anonymity the truth comes out.
I hope that this Mel/O public fiasco will help women who accept abuse or don’t recognize it for what it is to see that there are other choices.
oh please so now radaronline is the gospel of all truth. They are the same as TMZ, none is better than the other. The photo look doctored to me
I’ve read some HORRIBLE comments on TMZ regarding the MG and OG case. I refuse to go to that site because clearly there is no sense of decency. It is all a game. Does anyone have any sense of compassion anymore? As a society, are we so desensitized to hurting one another; slinging verbal assaults; and attacking those without power or prestige. There is a terrific piece written by Bonnie Fuller regarding the lack of outrage of MG’s abuse.
http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/07/15/bonnie-says-mel-gibsons-a-batterer-why-isnt-anyone-else-upset-about-that/
CB, I hope you’ll allow the link. And finally, thank you for reporting this story with class. I was pleased to read that this site will be monitored for comments. Bravo!
tmz is a dumb rag, like People, they will say what the celebs (especially the A listers) & their flacks want them to say. I read one of threads about oksana last nite, and most of the comments were the vilest, sickest, dreck.
CB, you are absolutely right to not allow that hideousness on your site, and I am cheering you for it! The writers and commenters on this site are miles above the tack fest that is tmz.
I’m going to say this as someone who has been punched in the face by an abusive boyfriend and suffered loose teeth as a result:
When someone punches you hard enough to cause damage to your teeth, there will be physical evidence around your mouth, most noticeably on your lips. A force strong enough to do that kind of damage to porcelain veneers will cause your lip(s) to split/tear, and often times requires a surgical stitch to repair.
The bruising that will occur in the oral area radiates outward, causing the lips to discolor significantly, and surrounding area (chin, above cupid’s bow) to darken in conjunction to the swelling that will naturally occur.
I’ve been punched enough times in the face to recognize it and after scrutinizing the photo, it doesn’t appear at all like the damage to her veneers was caused by a punch.
That’s not to discount any abuse. Mel could have slapped her, he could have done a thousand other horrible things to her in addition to the vile and horrific recordings of verbal abuse and threats. But as we all know, it only takes one lie – regardless of the intent – to discredit you completely, and the last thing this woman needs is to appear to a judge to be deceitful.
It’s sad that she’s had to endure this, and after hearing those tapes, it breaks my heart because I know that voice, those words of rage-filled hate, and how they can eat at you, tear at your very fiber of self-worth, but nothing comes from embellishing the truth. Sympathy is just as easily lost as it is gained and I can only hope that she and those around her realize that the truth is far more valuable than a few extra votes of support.
Also, Tommy Lee got 6 months or so in the pokey for hitting Pam with the baby in her arms, think Mel will get anything similar?
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Mel won’t go to prison for this because Oksana never reported it to the police at the time. You neeed to report all domestic violence to the Police not Radaronline.
Sure seems to be a “media war” going on right now between ROL and TMZ. Making me believe more and more that TMZ is strongly trying to discredit ROL. ROL reports Mel was to turn in all of his firearms today as part of yesterday’s agreement in court. TMZ says that was done when Oks filed a restraining order.
Wonderful ping-pong match going on!
TMZ is looking like some jealous little girl. It’s kind of pathetic and sad. They are becoming some sort of Life & Style or other tabloids. They took some piece of true and then twist it and put some screaming cover. There is another brilliant statement “Mel Gibson Won Big In Court”… Nevermind that it’s yesterdays information that they already reported. But the SCREAMING title: “Mel won”… Remember that words from Michael K from DListed: “Somebody bl*w Mel Gibson”. Well i think that TMZ is bl*wing him right now 🙂
I can’t, i have to repost this. I’m addicted to those tmz comments. You just sitting and shaking your head in disbelief. What is wrong with those people.
From TMZ comments: “This is soo cool! And Tmz had the rigth end of this right form the start! It didnt took them long ot realise who was the crook there..It hapened right after Oksana contacted Harvey Levi to sell him the tapes.. Rigth as Radar online was releasing the first audio one,. but Harvey declined she was asking for too much money. She had given them the first released of the transcript of the first tape, but then it went nasty. Harvey knew form then on what a crook she really was and that she was lying. Now we know from experts that the tapes are fake. The pictures are fake not showing much and photoshoped. And the crone witness in this case, the dentist, is now showing Oksa’a rtrue colors and telling that hse is lying. The son is now being investigated by childrens organisation, and she is going to lose custody of Alexender. This sh.it is falling back on her head big time!”
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Those lunatics already know everything. They don’t go to other sites, they don’t watch news where experts say the tapes were not touched. Why would they go to real world. They live on TMZ.
Her own dentist has discredited the photo published online today and has also contradicted her statement that she was hit in the mouth by Mel. Even a woman can be a psychopath, but a pretty, soft-spoken one can be harder to recognize.
BTW, TMZ has been no friend of Mel’s in the past. They were the ones who brought us the DUI story etc. in 2006 and just kept covering it.
@ whatever, yes, but the dentist story is from tmz, who isn’t proving to be very reliable and is engaging in a oneupmanship with radar.
Radar online has the following statements in response to tmz:
“Oksana’s official statement shoots down an erroneous report from a Website questioning the powerful piece of evidence. The same Website also falsely attributed quotes to the dentist who treated her.”
“Remarks questioning the photo were attributed to Dr. Ross Shelden, the dentist who treated Oksana by the same Website now proven wrong by the official statement.”
“And the only problem about those Dr. Shelden remarks: He never made them, RadarOnline.com learned exclusively.”
“An insider told RadarOnline.com: “The dentist will be a very, very strong witness if he ever takes the stand in support of Oksana.”
“Dr. Shelden provided a declaration to the court in support of Oksana’s allegations that she suffered injuries as a result of the violent confrontation with Gibson.”
@ whatever: “BTW, TMZ has been no friend of Mel’s in the past. They were the ones who brought us the DUI story etc. in 2006 and just kept covering it”.
They wren’t payed then. They may even not be payed now. They do it for free. Because they are jealous that all the exclusives are going to Radar Online. When Lohan was convicted – everyone checked to TMZ for news. Now everyone are checking Radar. So now TMZ are running screaming headlines so everyone would pay attention to them. They remind me recent actions of Cristina Aguilera. She tried so hard to be shocking and provocative that everyone laughed and felt sorry for her. And the same with TMZ. They try so hard to be in spotlight again that they look pathetic and soon all that hate towsrds Gibson from media and bloggers will turn on TMZ. Just ask Whopie Goldberg.
And you can hear from the tapes that Mel and Sasha hated each other. Oh and with all that bl*w things many people didn’t pay attention how Gibson lovely called 12 years old child “Your f*king son”. I wonder why Sasha hates him 🙂 Like in nightmare of every child whose parents divorces and they have step-sisters. Honey, there is your child and there is ours (mine).
P.S. It’s war… Radar officially accused TMZ of lying. They didn’t say the name. Only Website. But everyone know who they meant. And now EVERYONE will start to talk about it. How TMZ suddenly started to kissing Mel’s behind. I can’t wait to read it.
There are 3 sides to every story.
I can’t even look at him anymore. He disgusts me. This is not a man.
I, for some ungodly reason, cant stop following this story. Can’t stop reading page after page of comments blaming Oxsana, saying she deserved it and that she is all of the garbage Mel Gibson screamed at her. I am so saddened and heart sick by all of these threads. Thanks CB for not allowing it here.
Rush to judgment without knowing the whole story is a bad sign.
I wonder-had Nicole Brown-Simpson had done what Oksana is doing (releasing tapes/photos) would she still be alive today?
Still reading the posts of lunatics at TMZ. Can’t help myself. It’s like reading those twi-hards posts. I seriously suspect that they are editing and erase comments. There are like 11 pages of comments already to “Mel Gibson Won Big In Court” story. 158 pieces And it’s like 15 comments pro-Mel and one anti-Mel. Such thing doesn’t exist on any other sites. And read their reaction when one reader # 148 Carole wrote this:
“Mel Gibson should go into his garage and do the RIGHT THING!!! it involves using a rope…”
And they are attacking the poster. They can not believe how RUDE it was. #155: “carole, you are that person who stands in front of man with a gun in his mouth and yells, “shoot!, you are that person who tells a man on the ledge of a 16 story building, “Jump!” Your words are hateful, and evil. You are a murderer with your words, shame on you telling someone to go in their garage and hang themselves! And you say this is the “right thing” to do? What a horrible person you are”.
#159: “Kudos to Gene for that message to Carole. She has been here posting for a week straight. No life, miserable hag. Of course her husband left her. Of course she hates men like Mel. Her husband probably left her for a young, cute, POSITIVE WOMAN, rather than stay with the old hag she is. Can you imagine, Gene, just how miserable and how lonely and ugly her soul must be to say something like that? Yikes. Carole needs counseling far more than Mel!”
:)))))))))
I can’t even. So when Gibson sad to mother of hi child: “I will put you in garden rose, i will come down and burn the house, you need a bat on your head…” than it’s O’k. But when someone jokingly say to Gibson to take the rope (knowing that that of course will not happen)– they think it’s RUDE, they can’t believe someone have sad such offensive words… It’s like 5 of them already attacking that poster.
And we thought that there can’t be more delusional fans that twi-hards or fanistons. It’s some new spices. They should have a nickname. Mel-tards? 🙂
I’m done with this drama. I think the morbid fascination with it is unhealthy.
She’s very lucky her lips and gums weren’t damaged severely, judging from the broken veneers and the direct force it must have taken. What did he use, his elbow?
Whether her part is dubbed or not, I think they’re both imbalanced. But he’s a crazed (maybe drunken) animal on the tape and needs to see to that and go into a sober living environment immediately as he’s gone over the fence to crazytown.
i seriously hope that raging douchenozzle doesn’t get custody of that baby. i honestly lost respect for him when he went all anti-semitic. what an ASS…
Cathy T, Sincerity whatever you know why the dentist is now changing his story and contradicting himself don’t you.
The small fact he did not follow the law and follow the correct procedure.
I believe under the state law his licence can be revoked and he could himslef end up in court facing charges.
Debbie
“Debbie” stop spreading TMZ lies.
@Andrea: Excellent question. Poor Nicole. Poor kids.
The quotes TMZ claim the dentist gave are not true per Radar and Oksana.
TMZ has just lost me as a visitor to their site. Their blame-the-victim reporting is turning my stomach.
I have been keeping up with this story, and I have to say that I was glad that CB has finally decided(this morning) to monitor comments. After work this afternoon, i thought I would check back and see what else had happened.I went to TMZ, and was literally sick about the comments and could no longer read them. I came back to CB for the moderate, thoughtful, sensitive, thought provoking comments that I thought I would find. Alas, I found the hateful comments that i thought I had left at TMZ. I have never commented on this site before, but now I have to ask…where did our compassion,our humanity go? Why are we attacking this woman(I don’t care who or what she has done). Would you talk about your mother,sister,daughter this way? Shame on all of you that are attacking Oksana. Shame on you!
@147, It’s moot because he admitted to punching her and hitting her teeth. People bruise differently and not every punch is the same.
Likewise. Don’t go to TMZ even out of curiosity. Every “hit” helps them. It’s like a hit on their site is a hit against a woman.
Dr Lillian Glass said Mel could have possibly killed her based on what he says and his out of control anger.
There is now a lot of controversy over whether or not her photo with broken veneers is retouched or tampered with. All I can say is that if you look at her eyes in the photo they have NOT been tampered with. They are puffy and red. Those are the eyes of a woman who looks like they have been doing a lot crying.
She says a lot more if yr interested
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/mel-gibson-could-have-possibly-killed-oksana-gregoriova-based-on-what-he-says-and-his-out-of-control-anger/
Simpson was going to kill Nicole one way or the other.
Nicole did involve the police, she did tell her family, and the media was mildly aware of the troubles in their marriage, and subsequent post divorce fights. Simpson, however, was a beloved athlete, and that seems to weigh more than a bigoted actor with the public and the media. People didn’t believe Nicole, and even when they were presented with recordings and threats, people still remained on his side.
Simpson is worse than Gibson because he hid his insanity better. He had a mission, to kill his ex wife and he didn’t threaten it, he just went ahead and did it, and when someone is like that, no one can save them. No amount of media coverage could have stopped him from doing what he did to Nicole.
I read in a comment on this site that Mel Gibson admitted in an interview many years ago to physically punishing his children. Don’t jump my throat, I know that’s not a reliable source, BUT still I’m wondering if his ex-wife is so afraid of him she lied in court?
@Steeze:
“@ Anne de Vries
Thanks for explaining but i think i already knew most of what you outlined…
i have to disagree with you though for saying: “Ending up a victim of domestic abuse has nothing to do with strength of character.”
i believe it has a lot to do with your character. because as soon as someone starts “chipping away at your self esteem” its time to show them the door.”
Steeze, your reply to A. de Vries shows that while you maybe have known a lot of what she posted, you still missed an important point. It is not, as she said, about strength of character. You can be a strong person and have a strong character and not notice when someone begins to chip at your self esteem. And you may not notice until much further down the road, when your self esteem is much lower. I had (and still have) an extremely strong character, but that didn’t have anything to do with the character and personality of the person who abused me. I realise you haven’t had the experience of someone such as Mel (or insert another abuser’s name here if you wish); you said you don’t identify with those who are abused because of what you ‘would’ do. Like others have said, you don’t often don’t know what you would really do until you’re in that situation. So you can try to understand the position of those abused – empathy can be a very valuable thing. I hope you never have to find out firsthand what it’s like! 🙂
Photos Timothy Dalton at Oksana’s home yesterday when CPS was there to interview his son.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1295468/Timothy-Dalton-lands-supporting-role-Mel-Gibson-scandal-visiting-lover-Oksana-LA.html
Wow, Oksana wasn’t kidding a couple months ago when she said her story would come out or whatever. I don’t think anyone expected this!
But what the f*ck is going on over at TMZ???? I’ve never seen such poor nonobjective writing. I am done with that site.
As for Mel, I hope his career never recovers from this….
TMZ have always been a bunch of bottom feeders, so there’s no surprise there. 911 calls, court papers and such should never be posted on a website for entertainment.
@Eden
Thank you so much for your response, it blessed me deeply, brought tears to my eyes. It has been more than 20 yrs. since my son’s abuse and he has made marvelous progress, much healing and we have a very good relationship, he knows he can talk to me about anything.
I’m a woman who knows the Lord and KNOWS miracles and the power of God. My son had developed a psychotic disorder as result of the emotional trauma of sexual assault and the Lord had miraculously delivered him and healed him several years ago that he no longer needs medication! I have been praying for Mel Gibson for several years and I guess I am very sensitive to his mental disorder after dealing with my son’s psychosis (tho my son was never as severe as Mel or diagnosed with the same disorder), but I know that God looks for someone who would make up the hedge (intercessory prayer and I KNOW how to pray) around someone that they would not be destroyed because God is not willing that anyone be destroyed but come to repentance. But it involves that individuals will, we can’t save them or redeem them or deliver them we don’t that individual’s heart but God does and He knows if that individual genuinely wants deliverance. I can’t share a lot of things but Mel Gibson is going to be a beautiful magnificent testimony of the grace/goodness of God (the demon possessed man in the land of Gadarenes in the bible who came to Jesus); this man is going to have a miraculous comeback like we have never seen before and God will give him favor and favor with all the fans he has lost/losing now. Mel Gibson is dieing so that a new man may live and I believe there will be a lot of people who will be very happy for him.
*DISCLAIMER*
What I have to say isn’t going to be a popular opinion and my comment may not even get approved to be published but it is my opinion nonetheless. I also apologise for the long winded wall of text.
My back story is that I, too, have suffered for years as a victim of alcoholic-fueled violence (physical, emotional and verbal abuse) at the hands of my ex-husband. I, too, know what it’s like to live life in constant pain, anguish and fear. Although the bruises and head lumps have long healed, the lasting emotional impact and the memory of having to endure having a loaded gun shoved against my head daily before I left for work will never leave me. But I’m a survivor just like many of you that posted your stories and I applaud all whom had the courage to walk out. Our past does not diminish our self worth.
With that said, I do NOT condone Mel’s abhorrent behaviour. His alcoholism is the root of all of his racist and misogynistic rants and rages and he deserves the incoming backlash.
I am neither Team Mel nor Team Oksana. Each are to be blamed in their part and should be held accountable for their actions. The only one innocent is the baby girl that is in the middle of this nasty custody tug-of-war.
Do not forget that this all started because Oksana reneged on the custody deal they both agreed to and signed.
But I have to question the authenticity of RoL’s photo as far as the date is concerned. I do not believe that it has been doctored. I believe that it is Oksana in the photo but I refuse to believe that the photo is recent as per her allegations.
I do NOT see any signs of mouth lacerations, swelling or facial bruises. The photo is of poor quality. Grainy and dark. Also, the lens used appears wide-angled. It’s like looking at someone through your door’s peephole. Keep in mind that Oksana’s lower lip has always been voluptuous.
Her chipped veneer is NOT consistent with someone who has been punched but rather from biting on something hard like an apple as many people who have veneers can attest to. Her Dentist is now claiming that it was a result of her reaction from the blow biting downwards. If that were true, she would have had lacerations and swelling from the inside of her lower lip.
I just saw an old photo of herself and her ex-husband on PEOPLE and noticed that she did NOT have a nose job and lip enhancement(s) at the time they were married and I compared that to RoL’s photo and something tells me that the photo she is claiming was from the aftermath of Mel’s fist was actually taken years ago before she had her plastic surgeries.
Didn’t her dentist make a statement yesterday claiming that those are Oksana’s teeth but not her nose? That’s because in RoL’s photo, her nostrils are much wider than her current chiseled down ones. Her top lip was also not inflated as they are now. I implore you to compare the old photos of Oksana against RoL’s dental photo and then tell me if I’m right or wrong.
I’m trying to be as objective as possible but I’m having such a hard time trying to make sense of her allegations. It’s not adding up to me.
Why go to the dentist to get your veneers fixed and not take your daughter to the hospital or report it to the police if her allegations of physical abuse and fear of safety towards herself and their daughter are true? She participated in red carpet photo ops and whatnot with no visible signs of physical abuse. She appeared eager to eat up all the media attention. So, why wait 6 months to make allegations only to have them “leaked” to the media instead?
I’m a bit disturbed by how the majority of the comments are pro-Oksana. Y’all are ready to hang Mel before all the cards are laid out on the table. We don’t know the whole story. We don’t have all the facts.
All the Mel apologists and the Oksana doubters / haters are the same people who during the OJ Simpson trial, raked poor dead Nicole over the coals.
Whey didn’t she leave? Why didn’t she move away? Why didn’t she call the cops? Why didn’t she “play nice” and do what he wanted?
And even if she did all those things, they would just find something else to bitch about. Some other way that SHE was deficient.
It’s the same bullshit every time some famous guy is outed as a bully and woman beater / hater. They are like, Oh, we should feel sorry for him. We should listen to his poor hurt feelings. He needs love and comfort.
It’s disgusting.
Calling baloney on #179. Sounds like an insidious troll posting for Mel Gibson. Sounds like the same person(s) posting other places trying to present this as equal blame. They can’t say Mel Gibson is innocent but they can try to equalize blame. It sounds carefully worded so it doesn’t get deleted, and not to tick anyone off on this board. It sounds very manipulative and calculating. There is no shared blame for domestic assault, death threats, and psychological abuse. Whether or not she “reneged” on the custody agreement, and whatever the facts are behind that alleged aspect, is NOT RELEVANT. Reneging on a custody agreement for whatever reason doesn’t justify what he did. In fact, they had to have a custody agreement because of what he did. Blaming the woman will be spotted and called out. It will backfire. It’s an old tactic used by bullies and people have had enough of it.
The woman is always blamed. Men are bullies. Shame on any woman who participates in it. Someday it could be you in this situation. Who will come to help you?
Whey didn’t she leave? Why didn’t she move away? Why didn’t she call the cops?
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I’m sorry, these statements are not blaming the victim. They are facts. Women need to LEAVE the minute a man shows the first sign of physical or emotional abuse.
This is not blaming a victim for abuse. No person deserves to be abused, but at the same time, no person should allow it to happen a second time. We need to start teaching our daughters to respect themselves and not tolerate abuse.
To say telling women not to take abuse from a man is not the same as saying they deserve to be hurt.
@Whatever: Well duh. Of course a woman *should* leave at the first sign of physical violence. I don’t think you need to tell ANYone that.
Pyschological abuse is not so clear cut because (as has been said umpteen times) it is incredibly insidious.
If you think anyone is implying that women SHOULDN’T get out of abusive situations, then you are not paying attention.
If you think anyone is implying that women SHOULDN’T get out of abusive situations, then you are not paying attention.
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Maybe you aren’t paying attention. Go back and read the comments. People saying she should have left get bashed for “blaming the victim”. Followed by long winded explanations about why it is too hard to leave, he has too much money, the police won’t care, blah, blah, and it is BS.
Pyschological abuse is not so clear cut because (as has been said umpteen times) it is incredibly insidious.
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Being called a b*tch, wh*ore and c*nt is pretty clear cut to me.
@Gracie- I agree with everthing you said.
In this society men are treated like children “oh don’t make them upset.” I can’t “make” anyone upset, if I say something rude or bitchy, the person I say it to has a choice how to react. Women are expected to be perfect, criticised for what ever choice they make and usually the worst by other women. So until there is absolute proof she doctored things or beat her self up, how about we give her the benifit of the doubt and not the guy screaming like an animal.
Re previous post: I disagree that men are treated like children in society.
With most PC thugs the reverse is true. PC thugs actually think it’s okay to make sexist generalisations about men, however they think you should tread on egg shells when saying anything about women. To think like that is actually a veiled admission that women are the weaker sex because it implies that men are strong enough to take criticism whilst women aren’t.
What disturbs me is this that a lot of comments have been made against Oksana’s looks (ie plastic surgery) and the apparent gold digging ways. First off all, she had a career. Perhaps, no one as prestigious as Mel. What I suspect is that Mel want another “wifey” at home to cater to his “needs.” Because Oksana wanted to spread her wings and fly, Mel went off the deep end: “HOW DARE YOU?” “I OWN YOU!” You can hear this in his tirades. The reason why Robyn may never had this level of violence is because she kept the home fires burning. He had his career; she had his babies.
Nobody seems to see that Mel left his wife and family for a younger woman. Nor, does anyone harp on the fact that he expected his women to be a certain way. This sets us all back decades when women didn’t have a voice. I for one, will not remain silent. This incident, although it is a high profile case, affects us all.
She did leave. And she got a restraining order. Now she’s fighting to protect her kid. But whether she left or not is MOOT. Abuse is abuse. Women that don’t leave [for sundry REALISTIC reasons] are no less victimized and the man is no less culpable.
@ Chris I’ve been at work when a husband taking care of the kids calls to ask the wife: how you apply sunscreen to kids, the washer over flowed, what to I do, etc. That is pretty child-like to me. My husband isn’t like that at all we treat each other as equals, as much as that is possible. And he would never call me at work to ask questions like those above. And I don’t worry about how he and the kids are doing cause I know he’s got it.
You don’t think some of the comments above paint Mel a little child-like: She manipulated him, tricked him by getting pregnant, what did she say to provoke him, like he is not responsible for his behavior.
Maybe I didn’t state myself well. I don’t think men are like children. I do think there is a precentage of women that do act like there SO’s are another kid they have and treat them that way. And those are usually the women who are very judgemental of other women.
Sorry that was so rambling but I was trying to explain myself better.:)
And I had 2 pregnancies were I puked every day of the nine months. I don’t consider myself weak.
Re previous post: You make a fair point.
SusieQ, shouldn’t you be out on a ledge somewhere?
Sorry SusieQ, I was just being a smartass based on the bible speak. Meant in humour.
“this man is going to have a miraculous comeback like we have never seen before and God will give him favor and favor with all the fans he has lost/losing now. Mel Gibson is dieing so that a new man may live and I believe there will be a lot of people who will be very happy for him.”
@Whatever: I can’t help but think that you are being purposely obtuse, and don’t want to understand this, but I’m gong to try again anyway. Do you understand what insidious means? Psychological abuse doesn’t start out with screaming obscenities and threats of burying someone in the rose garden. By the time the psychological abuse escalated to the point where Mel was calling her unspeakable names, Oksana was in the process of trying to extricate herself from the relationship without getting either herself or her daughter killed.
As for your assertion that people are making ‘excuses’ for her not getting out earlier: Statistics are not excuses. Explaining the complications of the human psyche is not an excuse. Drawing parallels to Oksana’s situation and Nicole Brown Simpson’s situation (who most certainly DID call the police) is not an excuse. It is pointing out the terrifying reality that the majority of women in abusive relationships do NOT make it out. They are either killed or psychologically damaged to the point where they see no option but to stay.
Do you blame Jaycee Dugard for staying in her situation? She wasn’t exactly chained up, was she? She often walked freely through town with her ‘family’ and even lied to the police about whom she was.
@Crash2GO2: It did my heart good to see your measured, thoughtful post. I couldn’t agree more with your great point about Jaycee Dugard.
But it is amazing how many times people have had to explain that this is an extremely gradual, incremental process and that basically nobody gets punched on the first date. Many times not even in the first year.
@the Gibson Apologists: People who are abused experience something very like Stockholm Syndrome. You all talk a good game about how exquisitely simple this is. Pray you never find out how complicated and fragile your own psyches are.
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