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I have a friend who went to see Kirk Cameron speak over the weekend at a Christian marriage event in Virginia. (It was not me. You could not pay me to do that.) She said that Cameron made some jokes about his Mike Seaver past, but that he didn’t say anything about gay people at all. She also added that there were protesters outside, which warmed my heart. (I found this article about it also.)
Anyway Kirk is promoting his documentary-style movie, Monumental, which basically proposes that the solution to all of America’s problems is to no longer separate church and state. (I honestly smacked my head after writing that.) As part of that, he’s got to eat crow a little for his earlier statements against homosexuality. As I said in my last story on this, I have no problem with a “hate the sin, love the sinner” approach to gay people. For people who think homosexuality is a sin, it’s cool if they say they don’t agree with being gay but that they have gay friends and love them dearly or whatever. That’s not what Kirk said. He called being gay “unnatural… detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.” Then later he defended himself by claiming that he’d been “slandered” and “accused of hate speech,” but he didn’t take back anything he said.
In a new interview with The Today Show, Kirk tried to go with the “hate the sin, love the sinner” tactic, since his last approach didn’t really work for him. He also claimed that he was taken out of context and called it “inappropriate and insensitive” to take him at his word.
“I was surprised, frankly, that people were surprised by the things that I’ve said,” he explained. “I have been consistent for 15 years as a Christian. I’m a Bible-believing Christian. What I would have thought was more newsworthy is if I had said something that contradicted the word of God, if I had contradicted my faith.”
So, given his comments, does Cameron, who had also come on the show to discuss his new documentary “Monumental,” actually hate gay people?
Absolutely not,” he said. “I love all people, I hate no one. … When you take a subject and reduce it to something like a four-second soundbite and a check mark on a ballot, I think that that’s inappropriate and insensitive. … To edit it down to that, it certainly didn’t reflect my full heart on the matter.”
Cameron feels that his opinions shouldn’t be interpreted as a trigger for bullying or violence against homosexuals.
“Nobody should mistreat anybody,” he said. “We all have our convictions formed by different things and mine are informed by my faith. They’re formed by the word of God, and I found that to be an anchor for me, a compass and a guide for me. When people start bullying one another and calling each other names for those different convictions, then I think you get into problems.”
[From The Today Show]
As I said before, I read his entire transcript on The Piers Morgan show where he made those original remarks. (And I just re-read them too.) He didn’t say he loved and/or respected everyone, including gay people. He wasn’t taken out of context, he went on at length about his point. His follow-up statement was more of the same. He’s being defensive about this because he has to. At least he’s paying lip service to not mistreating people or bullying them. In Kirk’s mind, he’s the one being persecuted, not the other way around.
My advice to Mike Seaver is to book a one way ticket to Iran. They too embrace not separating church and state.
I’ll second that!
All wars start with God.
Rather, all wars throughout history start with one’s interpretation of their God and its power. No peace treaties were ever held up in the name of God (hello Israel and Palestine), no New World was ever built on love, rather always on mass murder, and assuredly, in the name of a God or another.
I was actually one of the very few who had watched that interview with K. Cameron. And no other statement, apologies, or word manipulations are ever going to convince me that Kirk Cameron did not spew hateful words that day. With shining eyes, and a rigid jaw of the religious zealot’s entitlement.
What Kirk Cameron needs to understand is that everyone has a different interpretation of what is God. Of what God wants. And of course, of what God intends for us as a people.
All these interpretations are driven by one’s personal need. They all come from a place of selfishness, and self-serving neediness. None EVER come from a place of selflessness.
You know what comes from a place of selflessness? Is when a mother is pleading and praying for her children. She’s not praying for a God that would agree with her ideologies and turn them into righteous law for all mankind. She is praying selflessly for her children’s well being.
Stop thinking that your God is better than mine. History has proven us both wrong, over and over again. God has no place in human law. It has only place in human pain and suffering. And from that place, it sometimes finds true love and peace.
Why is this country going backwards I’d never understand. Iran is just another example of a country, who 80 years ago, when one of peace and moderation, got conned into electing a freakishly hateful priest. Look where it had gotten them today. Always in the name of God.
Bravo! Well stated.
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!!!!
THE WORLD IS GONNA END BECAUSE OF RELIGION…NOT DICTATORS or TYRANTS
Thank you! But, just a little heads-up: I’m no SIR, rather a ma’m, or hey chica works too!
Beautifully, beautifully stated.
I love the fact that when I get too worked up to coherently comment, you always find the words I wanted to say 🙂
Well said
I tend to like Osho’s approach to it. Don’t argue with the interpretation of God, because a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. It’s polarizing. If you want change you ask that people go about their ideas with full awareness of the ramifications.
“Hate, love, it is not important. What is important is that if you hate, hate with awareness. If you love, love with awareness. […] It is a transformative force. When you are aware of anger, it will disappear. If you are aware of love it will become stronger. If there is hate and you become aware of it, it will dissipate.”
No one actually wants to be hateful and destructive.
Thank you everyone!
@Whatthehell, glad I can help! Sometimes,you wonder how they deny-deny-deny, when it is all on tape! And you kind of stutter in your outrage. So completely understandable when you can’t put a sentence together. I on the other hand, ramble one! 😉
@Snow, beautiful words, BUT
“No one actually wants to be hateful and destructive.”
Have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh’s radio show?
Did you watch Americans heckling, and bullying a soldier for coming out publicly?
Ever watched those Republican debates? Watched documentary on how certain towns, AMERICAN TOWNS, still believe that Obama is a Muslim, was not born in the US, and say it out loud, and proud. Watched how townspeople are reviving the KKK spirit? How they want to burn that Muslim on the cross? How they collectively booed and threatened his family, The First Lady of the United States, and her two daughters, when they showed up at Daytona a few months ago?
Yes, Snow, some people quite clearly DO MEAN TO BE HATEFUL AND DESTRUCTIVE.
And they do mean to be hateful and destructive, always, in the name of God. Some godly entity or another told them to be so, and gave them the courage to be so with the Holy Spirit.
Sad. Isn’t it?
I never said people ~aren’t~ hateful and destructive, I just meant that they don’t set out with that ~intention~. A lot of these people have a persecution complex, and a deep seeded fear that if they don’t do what they do, then everything is going to be hell on earth. I don’t think they see that they are being hateful, I don’t think they have the capacity to recognize that. In their minds they are being speaking out against something unjust, righting a wrong, or simply being politically incorrect. None of them wake up in the morning and think “I’m going to be a hateful, destructive human being today.” Because, where’s the logic in that? They operate in denial, but that isn’t what they set out to do. When I say people don’t mean to be hateful and destructive, I’m not talking about their actions, I’m talking about their intentions.
And destruction and oppression is not “always” in the name of god. Backstabbers in the business world (Wall Street and Show Biz) hurt other people (sometimes murder them) in order to service their greed. Those people don’t consider god. Even in the arena of war. A lot of times that death and devastation comes to service the government’s collective greed and ego. Sure, they may pressure the public to agree to their actions using religious propaganda, but many of them don’t actually buy that themselves. You seem to be a critic of religion, which is good, it pokes holes into people’s hypocrisy. But at the same time, you shouldn’t cut yourself off from acknowledging that there are problems in the world that don’t stem from religion.
and I’m a biology book believing human being. At least those books are verified to be accurate.
I love this comment!!
YES!
Right??
“I believe in the bible”, to me is like saying “I believe in comic books.” But that’s just me…
In addition, I think ‘hate the sin not the sinner’ is still letting them off easy since there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Grossed out by it? That’s totally fine, to each their own. I get grossed out when I see my cat licking it’s own a$$, but that doesn’t make it wrong.
These nut jobs drive me crazy.
rock the hell on!
Doesn’t the bible somewhere say: JUDGE YE NOT? or something to that effect?
my biology degree and I love you for that
Oh, shut up already!
I think some donations and speaking engagements were cancelled. Sometime Money overweight beliefs.
because he was very clear in his belief. And while I don’t agree with him. He does have the right to feel the way he does.
I just think his thinking is wrong.
hate the religion, not the believer. actually, hate the believer.
He does not sound defensive. Look at it with new eyes. I wholeheartily agree with this statement above and consider it a much more appropriate statement that I can actually stomach.
Lame. He doesn’t embrace homosexuality…who cares. Tolerance is the word of the day. He tolerate homosexuality. Maybe its time for homosexuality to tolerate Biblical Christianity.
Uh….since I think biblical christianity is WAY more dangerous and scary than homosexuality, I DON’T think homosexuals should be tolerant. They they should run as fast as they can, as far as they can, just like the rest of us.
They kind of have. Do you see homosexuals protesting outside of churches? (well except to protest a d-bag running his mouth against an entire population, ahem.)
Yes but homosexuals are not trying to turn you into one of them, but you can bet your ass, right wing christians definitely want to turn you into one of them, seeing how the figure they are the only ones who have true knowledge of God and the way to live. There is a great difference!
I am glad you said “right wing christians” because not all of them are like this! Quite a large part of them are NOT like this.
Totally agree! I have close friends that I have known from childhood and still hang out with..and a childhood neighbor that is like my brother that are gay…yet I have never seen any of them try to “push their sexuality” on me. HOWEVER…I hate admitting it but the Westboro Baptist Church w/ Fred Phelps is only an hour drive from my home. In the early 90’s when they had a very strong following I witnessed over a hundred haters in the Nanette of religion hold a non peaceful demonstration every weekend at a restaurant chain in which I was assisting in training new management. There were some scary characters and not afraid to jump out in traffic (Topeka’s main strip runs into interstate I-70 and is always like rush hr traffic).. These people just jumped on hoods of cars or grabbed on to anything they could on a car to yell there chants directly at drivers if they were unfortunate enough to geta red light. They would protest the restaurant and stand less than 10 feet from drive thru window scaring the cashiers by yelling at them they would go to he’ll for serving @ags. Screaming hate at the restaurant for hiring gays ( though not the term they used..they love that word f@@. Cashiers had to be walked to their vehicles out of fear. Calling the cops wouldn’t help, as they were always on the sidewalk not restaurant property. Those that jumped on vehicles or disturbed traffic would be arrested..but always had another show to take their place. Would I ever experiment w/ same sex, No. BUT I would never condem those I love for their feelings. We love who we love, and in this world more people need love and understanding than hate. I know some who knew in jr high their preference, some who married & were not happy til they accepted their own feelings (their words). I love people.. Who am I or even Mike Seaver to judge. But as I said, I have witnessed more people trying to convert others into hating those who are “homosexual” than vice versa. I have made it a point when approached regarding “homosexuals” by any from Westboro or in my own community…I don’t know any “homosexuals” all the people I know, love, or have touched my life are “homosapians” I also suggest to them they search their heart and belief in the LOVING God instead of their hate filled false God they worship and walk off… It’s sad that in the yr 2012 ones sexual preference, gender, financial status, race, and religious belief or non belief still play such a heavy handed role in hatred of one
another…. Ok off my soap box…but just had to vent it:).
Looks like someone with a little more PR awareness finally pulled him aside and had a little chat with him.
just.no.
Dang, which sponsor threaten to cut him off?
Because he has been rambling like a maniac for years about this stuff. And he meant every word of the statement that started off this last round.
As a girl whom received all of her education (High School and College) from the Baptist. And in the state of Texas! I have always thought this boy was off his rocker.
So I do not enjoy, when he gets out there and gets to yapping. Then uses Jesus and the Bible as his defensive.
He does not specifically say that he was wrong about what he said he gives a bs general statement that makes it sound like he is including his comment in it to try to save face. And yet he is still playing the victim.
yeah, it’s “insensitive and inappropriate” when people attack what he says, but his remarks were a-ok. typical of ignorant, narrow-minded douches like him.
I don’t want it to turn into that either, but when I can, I try to stand up for my faith, and the message is love others and do not judge. I wish more Christians would stand by that message, since those with a message of hatred and judgement seem to talk so often and so loudly.
He’s entitled to his beliefs and I’m entitled to disagree with him.
He hasn’t been relevant for many years and now we’re talking about him for the 3rd/4th whatever time in a month. Let it go and move on.
I was raised in the church. And every religion makes you feel like homosexuality is a sin and you are raised that way because the Bible says so. Only the younger generation is becoming more open-minded, and even then, by all the bullying, you can see that’s not completely true. I was in a car with my 13-year-old niece and we had a discussion about my gay friend and we had a nice little conversation about what a great guy he was and I said a few things. Her best friend was in the car, a Catholic, and she was horrified and told me homosexuality was a sin. Sigh. I left it alone as she is young and I would never overstep her parents and discuss this while she was in my car. But some things never change. My niece because of her upbringing will be different in her views as a teen.
I think every experience is different – I attended church through my whole childhood up to college, and I don’t think homosexuality was ever even discussed, let alone preached against. I don’t attend anymore, but know in my town there’s a church like Kirk’s, and also one who simply says all are welcome and loved.
Seriously, who gives a flying fig what this washed up child star from the 80s has to say about anything???
I’m an evolution believin’, bible reading, Christ lover, AND I gotta say Kirk is right up there with Oral Roberts and Jim & Tammy Faye Baker – legalistic, head up their spiritual and literal behinds, missing the whole point of laying down your life for a stranger.
These Big ‘C’ types kill me and kill the total acceptance of each other that Jesus actually preached. Period. God/Universe/whatever you choose to believe/not believe was created/big banged with gay people, and they are just as precious and valued as any other creation, sentient, or non sentient being.
We need to, all of us, pull together, not pull apart in the name of God. Holy blasphemy in my book only serves to fuel hate and corruption.
Hooray!!! You said it beautifully
THANK YOU for that!
Dang the dude looks so much like John Mcenroe he should stfu about his religion and go play some tennis to keep himself busy. Also where is Chelsea Noble in all of this?
Maybe I’m intolerant, but I don’t understand how “I don’t like gays” is an opinion. If one doesn’t like tofu/yellow/Glee yeah well, that’s an opinion, but all those things aren’t a human being I pass while walking through the city, sit next to in the bus, work with, etc.
If people don’t like all the pink stuff, gay parade, rainbow storms – these antics are a very peaceful and humorous defense mechanism against nasty bungholes like Kirk Cameron, who sh-ttalk you for a hobby on a daily basis.
imagine if people like him said, ‘i don’t like black people’. he would be shunned, and rightly so.
however, ‘religious’ people still get away with this type of hatred when it is directed at the gay community.
I was scrolling down to make exactly the same point! Saying “hate the sin, love the sinner” works when you’re talking about a lying liar who lies. But to say that about gay people smacks of a particularly insidious and destructive kind of discrimination. And that’s not cool.
Please don’t compare being gay to being black.
You can hide the fact that you are gay, make this choice private.
But you can’t hide the fact that you are black because you will always be seen as black, an inferior or something bad/devil/dangerous.
Stop comparing black struggle with gay struggle, that’s not the same thing.
What a bitch. Stand of for your right to voice your opinion whether it’s seep friendly or not. Never send an entertainer to do a real person’s job.
This is kind of delicious cause everyone that reads BI simply thinks of him as “The Self Hating Closet Case”
But By God If he was/is really sucking dick in dark parks PEOPLE NEED TO COME TUMBLING OUT ASAPTUALLY!!
How can it be taken out of context when his unedited answer to a direct question is right there on film, available for all to see? I hate that excuse.
I’m in the believe what you want, just don’t push it on/hurt anyone else/fight to take away rights camp, but when you put yourself and your ideas out there in the public forum, you’d better be prepared to take the heat.
He reminds me a bit of the Kony filmmaker who just had the breakdown.
Backlash or no, I’d guess this dustup will have a positive effect on the movie he’s promoting, I know I wouldn’t have heard of it otherwise (not that I’m going to see it).
i’m tired of adults who say hateful things, and only when they get called on it they “apologize.” mel, rush, mike seaver…these are adults, not 5 year olds who call each other “poopyhead” on the playground.
these people can suck it.
I’m a Catholic, and I come from the “hate the sin, love the sinner” school of thought. This year I enrolled my daughter in a Catholic school, and let’s just say I’ve been dismayed at what she’s been learning there by the Santorum supporting majority at her school. Yesterday, I picked up from school in tears, because some kids had taken it upon themselves to call her gay as an insult just because she hangs out with a girl who is different to the other girls (meaning she likes to read and collect bugs, and not do gymnastics or volleyball or cheer leading and moon over boys). I explained to my daughter that although the church has taught her that homosexuality is a sin, that we should not judge homosexuals, and that using gay as insult is inappropriate, mean spirited and disgusting, and that there is nothing wrong with people who ARE gay. I also told her that next time they call her that she had my permission to call the f-ing small minded idiots, and that if I have to go to school to go bat for her so be it.
My husband and I will not be enroling her there next year for that and many other reasons. But that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.
Kirk Cameron is an idiot and there’s nothing slanderous about anyone pointing our his views are ridiculous since he decided to spout off in the public arena. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Awwwww, tell your daughter not to worry. Those little shits will one day work for the bug collector.
Great parenting, Mom. 🙂
I’m a (a la carte) Catholic of a similar disposition to you, and I say fair play to yeh!
Hate the sin but not the sinner is still a crap approach. I used to think it was ok but really it isn’t. That’s like saying I hate your choice to be a woman but I still love you. You can’t change your gender and you can’t change your sexuality. To allow a pass on that allows them to perpetuate the belief that it’s a choice. If someone says I love you but not who you fundamentally are, how would you feel? Like total crap!
This is my opinion too. But I also think that acceptance is a process for many people who have been taught by church/family/culture that homosexuality is wrong. The “love the sinner, hate the sin” types seem to at least realize that gay people are individuals. Maybe they just haven’t found a way to reconcile their upbringing and background with it yet.
critical point you’re making there:
your sexual orientation may occur anywhere along a sliding scale but it is not immutable and is, at least in great part, biologically determined – you can not just change it (otherwise many Christians who realize they are gay would have no problems just changing to be straight).
religion, however, is 100% a choice so as far as I’ concerned if people of a certain religion have a problem with LGBT because their religion tells them so – then I say they need to change their religion because religion is a choice and the others are not
If you don’t like black people for whatever reason, that is your opinion and it is your right. It might not be right, it might not be nice, but do you boo.
We need to stop trying to make everyone agree or like something or someone they don’t.
What we do need to do is be tolerant and respectful of all opinions and beliefs and pracitices that are not morally reprehensible such as child molestation, rape, murder,etc.
But if you don’t like me because I’m black then should my world stop turning? That’s how I feel about this gay issue. Stop trying to make people accept homosexuality and for those against it, stop trying to make people “see the light.” Live and let live.
no, i won’t be tolerant and respectful of others who have racist and homophobic ‘opinions’. LAWS are created by those who hold these ‘opinions’ and they greatly effect the lives of others.
Hating people for being black or gay IS morally reprehensible.
No those LAWS were created to protect people from acts of racism and discrimination.
It is not against the law to dislike anyone. If that’s the case we’d all be in jail right now for talking shit about these people and their PRIVATE lives.
You can think what you want and believe whatever you want as long as you are NOT DOING anything to me. There is a difference.
I don’t care about who is gay or racist or whatever as long as it’s not preventing me from working and taking care of my kids. That’s the only time I have a problem with it.
Equality and tolerance does not mean acceptance.
i think you have a very simplistic view of systemic racism and homophobia.
Yes, Original Vic, agree entirely. I think it was Orwell who said “freedom is the right to tell people what they don’t want to hear” (something like that). You can be disgusted by another person’s believe, and you totally have the right to speak out against it or avoid that person, but the price of freedom is the fact everyone can think what they want and we have to put up with it.
The way you live your life, the way you hold on to your beliefs, the way you discuss your opinions with friends, family and colleagues, these ways, have NOTHING to do with you going on national television, and sharing your opinion with the rest of the world.
The moment you share your opinion on a public medium, it becomes public property. It becomes the public’s ownership.
And as such, it would be dissected, commented upon, ridiculed, and most importantly, your opinion stated on a public medium, would become your burden to carry.
No one is disagreeing with the fact that it is Kirk Cameron’s RIGHT to dislike what he calls “gay lifestyle”. But most are disagreeing with the words surrounding his dislike of “gay lifestyle”, that gave his words meaning in a more hateful complement, that is in direct disparagement of his Christian beliefs: Love Thy Neighbor.
And saying “Thy gay neighbor’s lifestyle is a danger to society and detrimental to all civilization”, is against all what his church has been trying to so publicly preach in order to have more followers.
IMO, Those words would have been much more on par with Adolph Hitler’s lifestyle, who btw, was a heterosexual.
But it’s only hate speech when it’s about homosexuals. I’ve been called a biblebanger, Jesus Freak, a supporter of child molestation and I’m not even Catholic and all kinds of nasty names because of my beliefs which I impose on no one. And these attitudes are displayed on television all the time, in books, magazines, and all kinds of PUBLIC FORUMS. And the majority of the “how dare you disagree with homosexuality, you are a bigot!” are laughing right the fuck along with them. And on top of all of that I gotta hear people spit the Torah and Bible back to me as if they really know what the hell they are talking about. Trying to use verses to justify shit. I wish they would stop that, because it’s stupid.
So please miss me with your logic because the majority of people in this debate are hypocrites. Calling it the “gay lifestyle” is not hate speech. Stating what you believe based on your religious beliefs and texts is not hate speech. Stating why you don’t agree with some thing and why you think some thing is wrong is not hate speech. Hate speech to me qualifies as you wishing harm or saying that we should all be harmed because of who and what we are.
I don’t have a simplistic view of racism. I am black. My views are based on the healing and efforts it has taken my 27 years of anger towards white people in general to realize that you cannot group everyone together, change people who don’t want to change. You live your life and you try to be the best you can be.
As always I call out the hypocrisy and the labeling of people as homophobic which is word use to guilt and shame people into to agreeing with homosexuality so people don’t think they are bigots. Yes, I said it. There is no fear of being gay. If you touch me I won’t catch it. There is a bigger fear of standing up for your religious convictions in this country and doing whatever the media sheeple tell you to do than there is of being gay.
Again, my argument is not against homosexuality. I don’t care. I’m not, so all is well in my world. My brother is and I love him deeply. What I don’t like is how BOTH sides shove this issue down people’s throats that their way and only their way is right. And only one side has the right to speak openly about their beliefs and not be judged for it.
When did a public figure, a gay public figure, go on television and state:
“the heterosexual lifestyle is unnatural. The heterosexual lifestyle is detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”
Which quite frankly, would have been more accurate, in the sense that there are more wars that had started by straight people, than gay people.
But you catch my drift. If a gay man went on public record to state that straight people are unnatural and detrimental to society:
1- He would have been publicly persecuted
2 – he would have been ridiculed, and lost all credibility
3 – his speech would have been deemed one of hate.
I don’t know about your personal life, your personal hatred, or your personal demons with hatred.
The point here is, Kirk Cameron has uttered words against one group of the population, words put together that are deemed hateful. And rightfully so. Nothing peaceful about his statement.
If he had said something along the line of “I disagree with people being gay. It is against my religion. But I have no hate for anyone, and respect their right to live their lives.”
Now that, NO ONE would have said it is full of hate. THAT is stating an opinion. There is a huge difference between what he stated first, and simply making his opinion known.
Christopher Hitchens is one of the biggest nasties about it and used his intellectual rhetoric in VF plenty of times to snark on believers, as have others who support the movement. No on had any issue with him. We all love Hitch right? And Bill Maher who isn’t gay nut certainly has no problem attacking faith based people.
My comment about racism was in response to jackie. I had a very militant father and love everyone mother and growing up my father’s views were mine for a very long time as I learned and educated myself. I’m way happier and in a more neutral place now.
And honestly it is not liked, but everything he said wasn’t really hate but had truth to it. It’s not natural, but not natural doesn’t always make it wrong.
And we don’t know how many gay people started wars because most leaders who were have been in the closet, so we won’t even go there.
I think Kirk was referring to the Roman Empire and before that the Greeks because you know they did a whole lot of shennanies. That’s European business though. Has nothing to do with me. LOL
My point is and always will be that both sides need to let go and move on. People of any faith or belief should worry about their own problems and business and not that of others.
ETA because I pressed the send button erroneously
I so 100% agree with everything you are saying.
Except homosexuality is natural. Look it up.
there’s a problem in your theory and that’s that the folks who “don’t like” homosexuality aren’t stopping at just not liking them. They are creating laws to undermine the 14th amendment in order to ensure gay people do not have access to the same rights and protections as the rest of us and they are doing that based on their distaste for teh gay and that counts as doing something to them
@ TheOriginalVictoria – if, as a black woman, you are tolerant and RESPECTFUL of racist opinions and beliefs, then I find that very shocking. I guess I agree to disagree on this issue.
“We need to stop trying to make everyone agree or like something or someone they don’t.” I agree.
He’s hypocrite. Tryin’ to justify himself. That’s just yuk. Waisting our time.
He doesn’t emanate love, but maybe my instincts are off.
He is entitled to his remarks. its better to tell the truth than to be a hypocrite
Awwww… diddums! 🙄
Look, why can’t these people realise that the freedom of speech does not exempt them from the consequences of that speech?
Exactly!!
As usual, he’s making the issue of homosexuality about himself, and not about just letting gay people live their lives.
Just let grown people be themselves, whether you like what they do or say or not. Damn.
In his movie, he proposes that the only way to save this country is to remove the separation of church and state and govern according to the doctrine of THE church (which, presumably would be his church). Now, if he’s saying that doctrine must be consistent with the bible, he’s saying gay people (along with adulterers – watch out Newt) and a bunch of other sinners be condemned to death. Even if he’s not saying they need to be put to death, his church thinks homosexuality should be banned and/or recriminalize sodomy (I don’t know too many guys gay or straight who want to give up getting blowjobs) and deny gays equal protections that are supposed to be guaranteed to all under the 14th amendment.
Can someone please explain to me how that’s a hate the sin, lover the sinner attitude?
Lulz.
It is about him. It was..his(!) interview about his movie . Piers Morgan asked…him(! Wowie asked kirk..not the homosexual community!!!!) his!!! Views on homosexuality. So hmmm how is this not about him?
Yeah. That’s what i thought.
@Janna: Yes, he is entitled to his remarks. Just like everyone who disagrees with him is entitled to comment on them.
If you go around making dumb-ass statements like that, expect to get payback.
That’s what makes America GREAT.
“For people who think homosexuality is a sin, it’s cool if they say they don’t agree with being gay but that they have gay friends and love them dearly or whatever.”
While some homosexuals are okay with that line of thinking, I, however, am not. If you say you love me but think that the love I have for my girlfriend is wrong and unnatural, then you are not my friend. You don’t ‘love me dearly or whatever’.
To me, it’s as simple as that.
You can’t force your friend or family to like your lover. Even when the person is heterosexual. If they love you, support you, tolerate your relashionship without trying to change you, i think you should be happy with that. Because, if it were you, you wouldn’t like someone who is trying to change you.
Those problems are common for heteroxual and homosexual couple. People forget the religion/race(even if “race” is more a social notion than a scientific one)/class… intelorance in family’s conflict. These problem are more numerous and common but people don’t really talk about that.
While I understand what you are saying and I see the wisdom in it, I have never been able to think like that. I grew up in a small town and had to face people who wanted to change me my whole life. When I got out of there, I decided to never go through that again. It was horrible.
On the family front, we’ve been blessed with two that are very open-minded. It is my choice that I don’t associate myself with those that are of unlike minds. And, to be honest, I do realize that that kind of thinking makes me close-minded in a way.
All his dumbass babble aside, I’m positive Cameron is a closeted homosexual. There have been rumors and innuendos for years about his penchant for “brotherly love”. But clearly he can’t reconcile it with himself or his religion so instead he’s trying to define himself as the ultimate hetero/anti-gay guy.
You’re wrong. I have known him since he was 15. He is many things, but he is not gay.
Really, that’s interesting Mrs Odie 2 – did you go to school with him? Not saying you’re not perceptive on these matters but is this the sort of thing you would have been privy to? According to all the rumors the gay sideline is something he does very much on the sly while steadfastly maintaining a devout, hetero image to the rest of the world…
HONESTLY, what did he expect??! I’m so sick of ‘the bible says so’ bs. . .
Re : Maguita “All wars start with God”
I don’t think God starts any wars but greedy people have been misusing religion for eternity – christianity, islam, etc.. I do not believe that hate-based “christians” represent Christianity anymore than I believe that hate-based Muslim extremists represent the real Islam. I don’t think its appropriate or respectful to bash anyone – gay or christian or whatever. I am christian but I don’t believe that everyone has to believe what I believe or is wrong for not believing what I believe. I respect others – I only wish that all people who are non-christians would do the same.
I agree with yoou.
It seems to be he trend to hate believers nos: they are bad, they are the source of our problem… and bullshit like that.
People seems to forget that all religion preach love. IT is man who change this message and adapt it to their point of view, use it when they want something.
The problem are the men not the religion.
I LOVE KIRK CAMERON & JESUS
He’s standing up. I agree with him.