Katie Holmes denies filing emergency custody order, Tom fires back

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The good news for Tom Cruise these days is that he was just named the highest paid actor by Forbes magazine due to his May 2011-12 earnings of $75 million. The bad news? Everything else. Reports out yesterday claimed his estranged wife Katie Holmes had filed an emergency custody order. Radar online claimed to have confirmed the order, but Hollywood Life has the best details. The order was said to require Tom to personally appear for a hearing in NYC, and he would not have been allowed to use a (solely) California-licensed attorney. Also (more importantly), the proceedings would have been public and New York law (which is much friendlier to those requesting sole custody) would have applied. Only Katie’s lawyer has denied that she requested an emergency custody hearing, and claimed that to date she has only filed for divorce. People has a “source” (read: Tom’s lawyer) who states that Tom is going to file in California, and adds that it’s “ridiculous” that Katie filed in New York. Advantage: Katie.

Katie Holmes’s lawyer is denying reports that the actress wants an emergency hearing on custody and child support in the Tom Cruise divorce.

“Other than her action for divorce, the only pending application filed by Ms. Holmes remains her request for an anonymous caption,” her lawyer Jonathan Wolfe says. An anonymous caption means that the papers in the case are filed anonymously.

The statement is response in to online reports that Holmes, 33, on Tuesday filed what is called an emergent application that could have resulted in a public hearing in a New York court.

Since her surprise filing last week – in which Holmes, 33, reportedly asked for sole legal custody of their daughter Suri, 6 – Holmes has remained in New York with Suri.

Cruise, who hasn’t filed any legal papers yet, flew from Iceland to Los Angeles, where he spent his 50th birthday with his older children, Isabella and Conner.

A source close to the case tells PEOPLE Cruise prefers to file in Los Angeles, which he considers his home base. Also, despite having a New York apartment, the family primarily spent time in the Big Apple for work or outings like Broadway plays, says the source.

“They don’t live in New York City,” says the source. “It’s ridiculous.”

[From People]

Meanwhile, Tom is attempting to appear very sympathetic in the eyes of the public. It turns out that he wasn’t flying to NYC on his birthday to reprise the Top Gun soundtrack on Katie’s doorstop, but instead, he’s gone back to Los Angeles. People has further details that the occasion was a “somber” one because, at this stage of the divorce game, he only has phone contact with Suri. People (suspiciously) stresses that Tom phones Suri “several times a day,” but I have to wonder …. how exactly is this situation different from the planned scenario wherein Tom spends nearly every waking moment (including birthdays) on film sets? Sounds like someone is “playing” the press.

Indeed, Tom is doing just that. His reps have leaked info to Us Weekly that Tom literally “plann[ed] his own ‘surprise’ birthday bash” for this week and begged Katie to attend in Iceland for “one last try at reconciliation,” because “he was confident he could talk her out of [leaving] and keep her with him,” but mean old Katie refused. Now this is where it starts getting really ugly. Tom’s lawyer has issued a statement of how his client is merely waiting to give his side of the story until Katie stops using the media to her own advantage:

Tom Cruise’s lawyer says his client will file a rival divorce case but will not reveal where. Bert Fields also revealed he’s allowing Katie Holmes’ legal team to “play the media” before allowing Cruise to tell his side of the marriage breakdown.

“Tactically we can’t say where Tom will file a divorce case and if he’ll be seeking joint custody of Suri,” said Mr Fields. Fields said that Tom Cruise was “very sad” about the breakdown of his five-year marriage.

“We are letting ‘the other side’ (Katie and her team), play the media until they wear everyone out and then we’ll have something to say. It’s not Tom’s style to do this publicly. He is really sad about what’s happening.”

[From BBC]

That’s an incredibly bitchy statement from a so-called officer of the court, right? As if Katie has been merely “play[ing] the media” by filing for divorce without Tom’s express consent. Then she hit up Whole Foods where a NY Daily News reporter took some photos and asked Katie how she was doing. Her answer? “I’m all right. Thank you.” For shame, Katie. For shame.

Here are some further details about Katie’s escape from underneath Tom’s controlling grip. People has details that Katie had no choice but to “fake it” in order to keep Tom unaware of her plans while he was away in Iceland filming Oblivion. Earlier this month, her inner circle discreetly swapped cell phone numbers so that now her “old best friends” (a.k.a. “Scientologists”) “don’t have her new number, no email. She’s unreachable.” Further details about the divorce come from The Sun, which says that the marriage “was doomed from the start” because of Tom’s questionably “intense” friendship with CO$ leader David Miscavage. The HuffPo also recounts the urban legend of Tom and Katie’s marriage contract as well, which is well worth a read.

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  1. Jackie O says:

    i really want this guy to go down.

  2. flan says:

    After Tom’s passive-aggressive ‘Nic knows’ when he divorced Kidman (while he cheated on her with P Cruz), I’m sure he’s going to try and make it seem it’s all Katie’s fault.

    The thing is that people tend to doubt the one who already divorced three times.

    • brin says:

      Yep…payback’s a bitch, hope Katie prevails!

    • Turtle Dove says:

      I forgot about that statement. I think this is the first time that he’s gotten dumped by a wife. He typically traded them in, didn’t he? Mimi for Nicole. Nicole for Penelope (but she ran for the hills). And then he married Katie.

      This divorce looks like it is going to be nasty.

      Notice how the poor-Tom stuff is coming out now – alone on his birthday, cancelled plans, good dad, blindsided, blah, blah. And there’s been a lot of stuff posted about his new movie too. Not a coincidence.

    • Maguita says:

      All of his ex-wives had bitter words towards Tom. The most controlled was Nicole Kidman, and that was because she still had faith that shared custody with her Co$-induced children, would still have her children visit her.

      Boy, was she wrong.

      I don’t wish Tom ill will, but I wish Suri a normal childhood. One where we would finally see her playing in jeans and a t-shirt with other kids her age. And I strongly believe that could only be accomplished as far away from anything that has to do with Scientology as possible.

      I believe Tom loves Suri, but any judge, from LA or New York, has to put strong parameters for father and child spending time together: Shared custody but it HAS to be very far away from Co$, and there has to serious consequences for Tom if ever that guideline is broken.

      Consequences like losing shared access to his daughter. Because if not, well Katie can surely kiss Suri goodbye.

      • gg says:

        Except I’m not so sure a court is able to tell Tom, I mean Rumplemintz, he cannot practice his fake religion, which includes turning his daughter into another zombie. That gets into civil rights issues.

      • Izzy says:

        Though civil rights would play a role in the custody/religion issue, all Team Katie has to do is demonstrate a likelihood that this “religion” could be harmful to Suri. Cue the parade of witnesses… it would lead to an airing of dirty laundry that I am quite sure Co$ does NOT want. Like I’ve said before, TC would be crazy to drag this fight out; it only puts Co$ more in the spotlight, under scrutiny, where dirty little secrets can leak out.

      • Maguita says:

        @gg,

        For your civil rights issues, apparently In New York where courts generally like to award sole legal custody to one parent or the other when there is conflict, civil rights issues are put aside SPECIFICALLY for the child’s benefits and well-being. Awarding custody to the parent most likely looking out for their child’s best interests.

        So if custody hearing will be held in NY court, and as Kathie’s people so astutely requested a PUBLIC one letting us know everything going on, those civil rights issues will be tossed aside, and hard-core questions will arise in regards to Co$, and its effect on Suri’s projected upbringing within, or with any contact for that matter, with Co$.

      • Samantha says:

        Not a legal expert, but having gone through my own share of custody issues, I think Katie will be on shaky legal ground if she tries to use Scientology as a reason. A judge may or may not be sympathetic to that; it’s a tossup and could easily be dismissed.

        What I think she should do is focus not on Scientology as a whole, but on how Tom may use its beliefs against her.

        Their practice of cutting off “suppressives” is well-known. Katie may have more luck if she presents the case that Tom will use that practice to alienate Suri. So it’s not the “religion” itself that’s the issue, but Tom’s parenting, his application of the “religion”. (Quotation marks because I don’t believe it’s a religion at all.)

        Don’t know if that made any sense!

      • Maguita says:

        @Samantha,

        It will greatly depend on whether the proceedings will go on in LA or New York.

        The custody proceedings in LA are closed to the public, including the press because of child protection laws. Not so in NY, if requested by the filing parent.

        The New York judge has to rule first on whether Katie’s request is eligible, because of primary residency issues.

        If allowed to proceed in NY, then using Co$ is perfect in requiring sole custody of Suri. Especially since Mark Rathbun, TC’s previous auditor in Co$ has promised Katie’s family support if requested.

        The game might highly change if proceedings are held in California. ESPECIALLY with rumors that high echelons in California’s judicial system are also under Co$ influence.

      • Maguita says:

        BREAKING…….

        SCORE 1 for Katie apparently. Tom will have to file in NY, because you cannot file in separate states.

        By surprising the sh-t out of him and filing in NY, Katie has forced Tom’s hand now, and has better chances on refusing Tom temporary access to his daughter.

        Next step, Tom has to prove to the NY judge that they were never NY residents, so to be able to move proceedings to California.

    • Evyn says:

      I don’t think his comment was passive-aggressive. He just didn’t want to discuss his biz. It’s amazing how after he said that, Nicole shut her mouth, too.

      • flan says:

        Of course it was. It laid the blame with Nicole without him actually having to say why. Let’s not forget that he was openly cheating on her, but then he made it sound as if she did something horrible.

        And why ‘Nic’ didn’t respond? It’s a bit hard to respond when nothing is actually said. What could she have said? “Nic doesn’t know”? That is what’s so passive-aggressive about it.

        Apart from that she must have been scared of the ‘church’. Think part of the reason Cruise ran back to them when that marriage ended was so they could help him intimidate her.

      • Maguita says:

        Actually, Nicole had publicly stated, during many interviews, and if I’m not mistaken, most importantly during her first big interview after the separation from Tom with Barbra Walters, that she had no idea what he was talking about.

        She had insisted on the fact that they had just renewed their wedding vows, and that not long before Tom’s surprising filing for divorce, they had sex. In her words, Nothing mind blowing, just regular married people sex.

        I think she understood much later what was truly going on. And the forced loss of her children, and her public vilification was quite unfair. And in my POV, quite Co$ driven.

      • olcranky says:

        he also made his comment right after the news of Kidman’s miscarriage broke so it made it appear as though he was divorcing her for cheating on him and getting pregnant with someone else’s child.

        as for his stories with Holmes, I’ve now heard 3 different stories from Cruise’s camp about his 50th b-day plans:

        The first was that he was working and wouldn’t be with the family but they had an understanding that he often worked and didn’t see his family on his birthday.

        The second was that he had all these plans of things he was going to do on his birthday with his family in Iceland

        and now “plann[ed] his own ‘surprise’ birthday bash” for this week and begged Katie to attend in Iceland for “one last try at reconciliation,” because “he was confident he could talk her out of [leaving] and keep her with him,”

        his peeps are trying way too hard to make him look sympathetic and make her look heartless and it just makes them look like manipulative liars

      • Maguita says:

        @ol cranky, nice going!

        Totally forgot that he was supposed to keep on filming in Iceland and not celebrate his bday with his family.

        Guess he’ll try for public sympathy as well. Too bad he doesn’t realize how much his close ties to Co$ are quite hindering.

      • Emily says:

        I don’t think it was “passive-aggressive,” I think it was entirely aggressive. And totally nasty. And pure Scientology: smear the victim, but don’t accuse them of anything specific. It helped turn everyone I knew against him even more than they already had been regarding that divorce.

        Tom Cruise doesn’t seem to realize that people disliked him already because of the way he conducted himself in his previous divorce. Then he lost even more approval with his Scientology weirdness, and many people (me, for instance) haven’t forgiven him for yelling at Brooke Shields for taking care of her health. People will still see him in movies if they’re good movies, like the latest Mission Impossible, but Tom Cruise himself is not a box office draw — Rock of Ages tanked (and he made an ass of himself over that one.)

    • Yalena says:

      @ Flan

      Hi

      How do you know he cheated on nicole with Peneolope ?

  3. Lizzie K says:

    I really don’t know what Tom could do at this point that would make me feel less hostile to him, other than give up. I’m totally Team Katie.

  4. Snowpea says:

    I am obsessed!

    I have to go to bed but I’m GLUED to my MacBook, researching, reading, commenting, clicking on links.

    Tom, sorry mate, but the game’s up. AND you are looking like one fine fool, my friend.

    • gg says:

      Good for you. It’s a lot to take in, and it’s also very hard to understand how such an out-and-proud criminal organization like this can exist nowadays. Which means it must be stopped as quickly as possible while the iron is hot. As I said before, I have been tracking the Cult since the 1970s and am flummoxed this is not only still going on, but has picked up so much evil along the way, thanks to David Misgavidge, who is a Devil of a man and needs to be jailed.

      • Veruca says:

        And where the hell is David’s wife? She hasn’t been seen in 5 years!

        How do we, as the American people, get Scientology’s church status revoked? I know Germany won’t even let them in the country. How do we bring them down?

        And why isn’t our government more aggressive about the accusations? Campaign contributions?

      • Jaxx says:

        Please someone tell me why the police doesn’t look into where Shelly is? Even if her husband hasn’t filed a missing person, couldn’t they ask for proof of her well being just because so many people don’t know how, where, or IF she lives?

  5. I.want.shoes says:

    I wish she had filed that emergency hearing. I hope she plays a hard game because Tom Cruise is sure to do so.

  6. truthSF says:

    But Tommy, remember when you blindsided Nicole, all in an attempt to get ur kids in the divorce? How does it feel? :)

    • the original bellaluna says:

      *sniff-sniff* I love the smell of karma in the morning! :D

    • Jenny says:

      His pity party might go over better if he had not already done the same thing to Kidman, while having a pinch hitter ready to step right up in P. Cruz. Katie needs to hang tough, keep her stuff together, stick with her family and take this guy and his cult down.

      Feeding stuff to Murdoch might seem low, but it might help and apologize to Kidman and get her on her side.

    • Aria says:

      Karma is a bitch. Hope Katie takes him and C0$ down.

    • Jayna says:

      Well, that’s not true. The ex-Scientology member who was assigned to trying to get Tom back in the fold said Tim filed for half custody. Nicole discussed for several years after she and Tom worked their movies around their time with the kids. The estrangement seemed to happen years later when the kids were tweens.

      • Liv says:

        Yeah, and Nicole just wasn’t in the mood to care for her children? I don’t think so. She was kept away from them for a reason. Don’t underestimate Scientology ;-)

      • Maguita says:

        Today on ROL:

        “Tom could make a very strong case because he raised his two adopted children, Bella, and Connor with Nicole Kidman. Tom was their main custodial parent. Tom is just at a loss as to why Katie would go to such extreme measures when she decided to file for divorce.”

        It may have started as shared custody for Tom and Nicole, but obviously ended up being with Tom the lone custodial parent.

        And all this, had definitely a lot to do with Nicole Kidman declared SP by Co$, and her children therefore under Co$ obligations/brainwashing/influence, followed suit by abiding with their church laws and refused to see their mother for a long time.

        In this case, I believe in the beginning Nicole thought it would be possible for shared custody, but had no idea what a Co$ education entitled, and how her children would be made to deny her.

        This of course has changed lately with her daughter living away from Co$, who has made contact again with her mother. Nic may look cold, but one thing everyone agrees upon, she is a very loving mother.

      • Jaxx says:

        I’m so glad to hear that. I hadn’t heard that Bella was reaching out to her mother. I wonder if this is not the very thing Nicole has been hoping and praying for. That if she kept the doors open and remained welcoming and gracious that her kids would return to her once they were old enough to make their own decisions. The old saying of “If you love something, let it go…..” may being proven here once again.

        Once she knew she had been declared SP and the kids started finding excuses to not come for their scheduled visits she knew she would fight a losing battle if she forced teens to come to her. No one wins that kind of war. But I never believed that she didn’t care or that she had replaced them with her new kids. I’ve seen pics and she was just as loving to Bella and Connor as she is to the new girls. Hopefully that love sowed seeds she will reap as they grow up. She deserves it. They served her up some awful hurt that I don’t believe she had coming. All report that she was a good mother to them. Whoever campaigned to turn them against her is wicked. To deprive a child of a loving mother is just pure evil in my book.

    • Lady D says:

      Hilarious observation Original B. By the way, you are killing me here. I just replanted my garden for the third time. I lost half of my beautiful flower bushes. We still have to worry about the river flooding and the river is about 100 feet from my house. It’s cold, miserable and wet here and has been for freaking weeks. The drinks recipes sound awesome Maguita and Izzy, I am seriously ready to start drinking. And I’m not going to stop until the rain does. (I may be incommunicado for a few weeks)

  7. Esmom says:

    “It’s not Tom’s style to do this publicly,” TC’s lawyer says.

    Haha that’s a good one.

  8. celine says:

    the story of the year. it is for sure not going to be easy to settle this, katie.
    gotta long way to go.

    • Rhea says:

      Yup. It’s going to get nasty! I’m curious what would be his next move… behind the door…

    • gg says:

      It sure is the story of the year, this year and probably more. Has anybody been watching TV? Every news show is honed in on every aspect of the divorce filing and c0$. In some cases, like Inside Edition and Nightline and some other celeb news programs, they’ve devoted either half or the whole 30 minutes of their program to the Cult. The divorce is only the seed to the story. The real story is on exposing the Cult weirdos. Which makes me beam. :)

      Everybody on this planet needs to understand what this bunch of thugs is capable of and to never underestimate the base levels at which they scheme and lie to people. They are to be avoided at all costs. NOTHING is past them doing to cut the legs off their victims, and not just figuratively.

  9. Mich says:

    The Hollywood Reporter ran an excellent piece on this yesterday – including how the cult turned Nicole’s children against her.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-scientology-344687

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Oh, Mich, thank you for the link. It’s only just 5 a.m. here and I’m going cross-eyed from trying to read all this stuff. ;)

    • Becky says:

      This article said she fired Bella out of the blue 2 months ago. How cold Tom not see this coming? How does one explain this the stepchild and spouse? Wouldn’t Tom flip out?

      • Mich says:

        I’m pretty sure he had ample warning that something was coming. Whether or not he chose to pay attention, however…

        Then again, given his higher state of being (isn’t he at God level now?), he probably thought he had it all in hand.

    • CC says:

      Not to mention the obscene amounts of money TC could throw their way that Nicole couldn’t. Easy to bribe kids.

    • Izzy says:

      Awesome! Thanks for the link Mich. OK, so here’s my take on several aspects of this, and feel free to tell me I’m crazy like a Scientologist if you don’t agree… considering the amount of litigation surrounding this organization, the mainstream media coverage has been mild at best. I don’t think this is a coincidence. BUT… enter Rupert Murdoch, of whom I am proud (never thought I’d say THAT). He tweeted that Co$ is “creepy” and “evil”. Putting aside the whole pot-kettle thing, that’s a LOUD shot to take, AND from a good friend of none other than ex-wife #2, Nicole Kidman. I think she muzzled him for some reason during her divorce, but Murdoch has no ties to Katie. I agree with the THR article: Murdoch’s tweet was a way to signal open season on Co$ for the mainstream media. Go Team Murdoch.

      Now, here is where it gets even more interesting. I think Bert Fields’s comment about Katie and the media was part of an overall tactical plan. If Tom fights, you know Team Katie will try to drag all kinds of shizz about Co$ into the light, and they will probably be able to do so as it is central to the issue of custody and welfare of the child. If Tom doesn’t fight it, EVERYONE will know for sure that Co$ has secrets they don’t want coming out. It’ll just drive people to get more curious, and there are only so many reporters they can run off the roads or coerce before someone publishes something even more scandalous than we’ve ever heard.

      So, if you’re Co$ and Tommy, and looking to avoid a fight that would create way too much exposure, this is the perfect time to say “I’m not going to fight this because dragging it out and the media coverage is bad for Suri, etc.” People will still be suspicious, but how would you ever PROVE that Suri wasn’t the only motivation for such a move. Right?

      OK, feel free to sound off now. (And just for the record, I’m NOT a conspiracy nut. I swear on the grave of Xenu.)

      • Mich says:

        Izzy – No way would I call you out as a possible troll for such a great post!

        I agree with you 100%.

        Another interesting article about Murdoch and CO$:
        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/02/rupert-murdoch-attacks-scientology-because-it-once-courted-his-son-lachlan.html

      • LAK says:

        @Mich – thanks for rupert Link. I remember back in the day being surprised that Jamie Packer was a scientologist. Good to hear he left them.the fewer big money guys in the co$ fold the better.

      • Izzy says:

        Mich – a great link! Thanks for that. I never thought I would say this, and my stepmom might disown me for this (she hates Fox News, Murdoch, etc.), but I am totally Team Murdoch right now. Not only because he has declared open season on Co$ in the media, but also because the Co$ is notorious for litigating until the other side gives up (see also: reinstatement of their tax-exempt status). Here we finally have an opponent with the financial resources to out-sue them. It’s about freakin’ time.

        Plus, it’ll be an interesting battle if it comes to that: Freedom of Religion vs Freedom of the Press. If Murdoch and Co can prove that there is a compelling public interest, the courts would be more likely to side with them. And, Co$ would have to first prove that the reporting is libelous. So, cue the long line of witnesses against Co$… I really think they’re screwed this time. If the other sides, such as Katie and Murdoch, have really smart attorneys (and I believe they do), they’ll stay ahead of Co$ throughout litigation.

      • Jaxx says:

        I read that article and it’s quite enlightening. I bet Miscarriage wishes the whole thing would go away and just wants to protect his empire. Can you imagine if he told Tom to tuck his tail and give Suri quietly to Katie. Tiny Tom would throw a tantrum like the nutcase he is–Clear or not! He would feel like they ought to all make it go his way like they did with Nicole and if they don’t after all he’s done for them???? Oh, I would love to be a little fly on the wall when he discusses all this with Miscarriage.

        With so many high level people defecting lately you know the cult heads have to be running scared. Or are they so bloated on their own powers they don’t believe they can be taken down? I hope every bit of their dirty practices come out now. The things they have done to people would make our hair gray.

    • Lizzie K says:

      Thanks for the link! Interesting article.

  10. the original bellaluna says:

    So, is “ridiculous” the new “amazing!” and “somber” the new “glib”?

    For real though, that attorney needs to STFU if they’re not going to the media until “the other party” has “worn out” the publicity. Because I’m pretty sure that is precisely what TC & his atty have done, via these pieces.

    *skips off to read all the wonderful links provided us by the lovely Bedhead* I’ll be back, ladies! ;)

  11. Launicaangelina says:

    Keep on running girl, and don’t turn back! Team Katie’s offensive is top notch so far.

  12. Toot says:

    I agree with Tom’s lawyer about Katie playing this in the media. It’s barely a week and there has been so many stories/sources from Katie’s side.

    For Katie to be so controlled and watched she was sure able to do a lot before the divorce was filed.

  13. commentingbunny says:

    I feel like these stories need to come with a trigger warning for abuse survivors, you know? It just smells like a woman escaping an emotionally abusive mate.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Honey, you’re not alone here. Some of us are DV survivors/escapees.

      The reason it smells that way is because it IS that way; Katie is escaping an abusive (emotionally, psychologically, possibly physically) relationship.

      And we know how the physically abusive relationships start, don’t we?

    • mln76 says:

      YUP ITA Tom is so clearly an abusive controlling man…Which is why he manipulated his children away from Nicole.

    • sarahtonin says:

      I certainly think those of us who have survived cults and/or abusive relationships can project our own experiences on to Katie. People who have gone through that, especially those of us here who have lost people to CO$ are really rooting for her. She is doing what a lot of people didn’t have the power to do, and in doing so opens the doors for many to follow.

      I understand it might dredge up emotions for some, especially when the wounds are fresh, but I try to look at it as an inspiration to have a better life rather than a reminder of the bad stuff. This is a positive story for her and can be for others too.

  14. moopsie says:

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if Tom just left the cult to have a normal family life with Katie and Suri? I wonder if that thought is crossing his mind now.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      That would be interesting, but some stuff just can’t be repaired once it’s broken.

    • Bad Irene says:

      I doubt he has even thought of leaving to save his family. He is Tom Cruise, everything has to go his way and its always about what he wants, the little people should do what he wants. It’s true because Xenu told him so!

    • Rhea says:

      There’s an interesting article you should read. It said that from around 1991 to 2001, Cruise was actually estranged from the church ( but the church managed to keep it quiet from the public ), because Nicole was really sour on Scientology and kept pressing Tom to stay away from them.
      BUT they spied on him through Michael Doven, who served as Cruise’s personal assistant.

      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/how_scientology.php

      And another interesting article about the “security check children” that the scientology would do to Suri if she stays with her father.

      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/katie_holmes_scientology_sec_checking_suri_tom_cruise.php

      • Mich says:

        That Doven article is really telling and there is no way that Tom doesn’t know by now that it happened.

        Given his tight relationship with Miscavige today, it makes me wonder if he doesn’t somehow view the situation as his good friend doing him a favor by keeping tabs on him. Creepy.

      • sarahtonin says:

        Yeah I can’t remember where I read it (here?) but there was an article saying that Katie probably read the VV article about sec checking kids and perhaps it influenced her decision to get Suri away before she was subjected to it. I assume TMZ quoted the best bits from it in their article.

        There’s been lots of negative press about CO$ of late, with people like L Ron’s grand daughter escaping etc. They are having a crisis, and so this is a great time for Katie to do a runner.

        I’m sitting back hoping Tom and CO$ finally implode. Their brands, at least.

      • Izzy says:

        Geez. After reading that article, and others linked to it, it occurs to me that while I can’t speak on foreign labor laws, here in the U.S. those practices are not only in violation of labor laws but also of civil rights. Slavery was abolished in this country a long time ago.

      • sarahtonin says:

        They are a legally recognised religion so they don’t have to pay for labour, or pay taxes. The whole thing is just a big rort to scam money.

    • Anne de Vries says:

      I’ve never really believed that he loved her – it seemed like an arranged marriage from his side. His ‘I’m so in love’ performance came across as somebody who is trying really hard to demonstrate something he’s just not really feeling.

      I’m sure she figured it out too, so I can’t imagine she’d want him back even if he did leave the cult.

      • sarahtonin says:

        Tom always seems like he is acting. He comes across as really insincere at the best of times. Perhaps going to 15+ schools growing up meant he never had to stick to one personality because he never seems to just be himself, he’s always trying too hard.

        That said though, the ‘I’m in love’ performance was way over the top. I never believed it was real either. But I don’t believe he could really love anyone.

      • TG says:

        Agree Annie and I think you made the comment yesterday about how there is a vacant look in Mr. Oblivion’s eyes even though he is spouting off his love for Katie and whatnot. Just recently he gave that bizarre interview how she appreciates romantic dinners and it is just like you said he has learned or been trained that this is what you do for a woman, etc. There is no real feeling inside anymore. Just like a robot.

    • sarahtonin says:

      @moopsie

      There was a thing I read recently about how TC tried to distance himself from CO$ while he was with NK, but as the marriage went sour, David Miscarriage dragged him back in deeper. It raises an interesting question: Is TC trapped like everyone else?

      Edit: Sorry to spam. Those should’ve been together.

      • Rhea says:

        Yes, that’s what I’ve been thinking. Either they hold some secret about him that they would use if he ever decided to cut the ties with the church OR they brainwashed him that badly. I would say both.
        Still, I wish he would stand up and protecting his family, example by not taking away his children with NK before and now with Katie+Suri, because the church clearly only screwing his life. Sigh, why can’t he just married a fellow scientologist after he divorced NK before??? This is a big mess.

      • Mich says:

        Or he reaps such great personal rewards (slave labor, adulation, worship, power, etc.) that the reality of CO$ for him is very different from the reality of the minions.

        Beyond that, I think he is a true believer in not only the “tech” but all of the superpowers stuff.

      • sarahtonin says:

        Rhea & Mich, I’d say it’s a bit of both.

        He probably divulged a lot of information that would be damaging that could now be used against him, and he certainly would have a different experience than you or I if we signed up.

        Even if he didn’t tell them he likes dick or whatever, he’s been benefiting from the slave labour of other members and at least turned a blind eye to abuse, so that in itself would be damaging if it got out. Some of it has, like the plane hangar and tricked out SUV. I bet all his staff are CO$ slaves.

        Edit: and I’m sure the superpowers thing resonated with him because he wants to really believe he is special. Maybe cos his Dad never gave a shit.

      • Samantha says:

        I think Tom began as a cult victim, but as he became fully indoctrinated, he turned into one of the manipulative abusers. At this point, I doubt he could ever be deprogrammed. Not that I’m an expert or anything!

  15. Izzy says:

    Wow, did TC’s lawyer ever make a strategic error. There’s no way a judge is going to look at the media coverage as Katie’s doing, which means Tommy & Co won’t be able to use it successfully (though it sounds like they’re going to try). Bad move on Bert Fields part, maybe hiring an 80-something yr old attorney was not the best idea, doesn’t sound like he’s at the top of his game these days.

  16. phoenix says:

    Katie should do that emergency hearing. Better safe than sorry, especially considering how much money and cult members he has behind him.

    • gg says:

      I agree. In general, when someone (especially the mother/wife) files for divorce, a request for a Rule Nisi (show cause) hearing is made, to get a quick hearing set to provide some ground rules, visitation, and some financial support for the wife while the case is being litigated. In several states I know of, anyway.

      So I’m guessing she has filed for the Rule Nisi.

  17. DanaG says:

    How dare Katie play the press Tom thought he would be able to be the one to do that first again..I can’t believe some people actually think Nicoles children chose never to have her in their lives like Tom is such a loving dad he wouldn’t brainwash his kids. Sure other then that he is a great day…..The statement shows that they are on the defensive and this makes them sound just stupid. People aren’t going to change their minds about Katie just cause Tom Cruise speaks. So far he has changed the story of his birthday at least 3 times all to suit his own purpose. I hope Katie does file for some sort of custody order cause without one I am not sure how she can stop Tom from actually seeing Suri if he wants too!

  18. Eleonor says:

    So basically Katie faked everything to keep Tom quite, until the very end…I wonder if she is a better actress than people think.

  19. Bad Irene says:

    The story of the year, this is going to get very dirty and I am supporting Katie all the way, she is in for the fight of her life. I hope every shady thing TC and CO$ ever did comes back to haunt them.

  20. Lynne says:

    I thought Katie would never escape the Church of Scientology nor their grip. She had a handler (from the church)?! All their household and personal staff are Scientologists?! I didn’t think she would escape.

    • Happymom says:

      Apparently her dad helped her-hiring all new staff, firing all the COS people surrounding her, getting her new phones, new emails-no way she could have done this without him. And he was getting assistance from former COS higher-ups who have left the cult.

    • Mac says:

      Yeah, but that could just be because he only had to pay the Scientology peons like 60 cents an hour.

      • gg says:

        haha! No, just a perq. Minders follow newbies EVERYWHERE. A close friend of mine was engaged to a $cilon and being a scrappy girl from the northeast of England, she went medieval on the minder’s azz, saying she was going to deliver a beatdown if she didn’t go away (this was while she was in LA and around the $cilontology Centre). The lady split and left her alone. LOL

  21. Chloe says:

    Katie knew what Tom was when she married him! It’s not like he became involved in Scientology after. Katie seems to be looking for something. I don’t believe that any parent has more rights than the other. The only time a parent should get sole custody is when one of the parents is a danger to the child or spouse. The lawyers are the ones who love this and make out financially. Katie is a grown woman not a child, why pretend she loved him telling him she loved him when she was planning a divorce. Sounds like her lawyers were advising her, so if people think Tom controlled her how has she changed now she is letting her lawyers do it. I am sure they will be paid by. Tom as well as Katie and HER lawyer parents, who I might add lived nicely off of his money and ignored his beliefs then.. Shame on Katie using their daughter for $$$$$$$ as well as her TEAM. Let her pay for all the lawyers, apartment and all that she needs for her new life, if she doesn’t want his money then it should be no problem. But again no parent should get sole custody.

    • kay says:

      **all caps**

      I HATE THAT REASON!!!

      No, she did NOT! it is what abusers do, for fuck’s sake!
      they lie and manipulate, and suck you in, and then before you know it, you’re there and you have a child to protect, and they fuck with your head so much it takes time to get back out. You don’t know who to trust anymore.

      she did NOT know, which is why she looked so sad as the years went on, and now looks much much better.

      /rant

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Can we please stop beating this drum?

      Katie was a rube; Tom was one of the “hottest stars;” she confessed to crushing on him since childhood (probably one of the reasons she was chosen).

      It’s not like Katie was following the TC/NK divorce like we’re following this one.

      CO$ only ALLOWS you to know what they want you to know.

      When Toto pulled back the curtain, Dorothy didn’t like the all-powerful Oz with which she was confronted.

      • kay says:

        or what original Bellaluna said :)

        much nicer!

      • skuddles says:

        Well said bella! Who the hell didn’t make some earth shaking decisions in their 20′s that they later came to regret?? Because they wised up and grew up. That’s life. And most definitely, Tom and other CO$ members would have shielded her from much of the reality of the cult early on – only painting a happy, positive, welcoming picture. Clearly Katie was not a very savvy cookie in those early days, but she is now. Not to mention, motherhood changes EVERYTHING. Her Mama Bear instincts are at full bore – and that’s what’s fueling her brave actions now – this is NOT about money. So yeah, people who think Katie knew (or should have known) exactly what she was getting into and that this is just a money grab, uh no. Knock that shit off already.

        Go Katie, kick some CO$ ass! :D

        Cheers bella, CLINK! ;)

    • Anne de Vries says:

      Sure. She went into this to betray him. It’s probably a conspiracy.

      Oh shit, it’s thursday! How are your stats?

    • NYC_girl says:

      @Chloe – I disagree. She of course had an “idea,” but being young and inexperienced, I’m sure she didn’t have a true picture what was going on until they started living together. Seriously, if someone tells you as 20-something – “Don’t go out with him – he’s crazy,” is that going to stop you? It didn’t stop ME! Luckily I never got involved with someone in a cult or with physically abusive tendencies. She may very well have been in love with him. And while I don’t believe in marriage contracts (although that’s what marriage always was until 50 or so years ago – people being married off for financial reasons) this is Hollywood, not reality where you hopefully meet a good partner and are in it for the long haul. It’s all about money and image. Perhaps if he wasn’t involved in a CULT she might have stuck it out longer if there was any mutual affection involved. And really, the events of the past few days could have been orchestrated by both sides. It’s been carefully planned. I bet her career takes off now.

      I was thinking last night about him, and I realized I never found him sexy. Cute, yes – I was a junior in h.s. when Top Gun came out. But the only time I ever found him really attractive was in the that Jerry McGuire scene when he’s about to hook up with Renee and she opens the door to her bedroom and he’s standing there – he looked hot. Otherwise, there really is something asexual about him. For a reasonably good-looking man, he never gives off a sexy vibe. Am I right?

      • Esmom says:

        I’m with you in never finding him sexy. Charismatic, yes. Even in Risky Business you could tell he had a star quality about him. I do think plenty of people did/do find him sexy, though. To each his/her own!

      • gg says:

        I always felt a tight controlly vibe about him. He’s always very knee-jerk with his responses. Which freaks me out when people do that.

      • Stellax2 says:

        I completely agree. I’ve always found Cruise to be asexual. I’ve never looked at him as a sex symbol or smoldering attraction.

        I’ve seen him in movies. One of the convincing roles was the film, Magnolia, where he plays a narcissistic jerk. I tend to think that role was closest to his real personality, minus being a sexual guru.

    • flan says:

      Katie (and her dad too) have $$ as well. She definitely has earned a couple of million by now.

      Not as much as TC of course, but it’s not like she can’t give her daughter a priviliged lifestyle by herself.

    • Samantha says:

      “why pretend she loved him telling him she loved him when she was planning a divorce.”

      Because when you’re trapped in a cult, telling the cult that you’re leaving doesn’t work. It just means they make it so you CAN’T leave.

    • Emily says:

      “no parent should get sole custody”

      No one with more than half a brain cell actually believes this. You obviously have more than half a brain cell, as you are able to post on the internet.

      Tell us when you get out! Out here, we don’t try to make you spin crap into gold.

  22. kay says:

    So, he didn’t go to NYC to see Suri.

    I don’t fully understand US laws, but if he just showed up, can katie deny him access? I think no?

    so based on that, he didn’t go make sure his daughter is ok, he went to his lawyers, used his other children for sympathy, and releases a horrible statement about katie to the press.

    When people who you who they are, believe them.

    I’m glad for katie, it is only 5 years and not 10.

    • Jayna says:

      Dump on him for legitimate stuff. But the overkill is silly. The guy is shooting a movie. Chou can’t halt production. It costs the studio a fortune. He finished up the part in Iceland. The rest if the shoot now begins somewhere else. I agreewith Katie doing this secretly. It was smart. But he was blindsuded by the filing. But he literally had one day to fly home and meet with his attorneys, deal with finding a NY attorney also, which he absolutely needs to do, and then be back on set. He will fight the NY filing and he will eventually win. They were living in California. She has every day to strategize. He literally had one day off to deal with this in person with his lawyers.

      • kay says:

        I’d bet my horse all the reasons you stated are a huge part of the problem.

        FACT: as stated below. any dad worth his salt PHYSICALLY sees his 6 year old daughter after finding out her mom has moved her and filed for divorce.

        No excuses. You go see and HUG your kid, reassure her you love her and that although things are not working right now with Mommy, you love her more than anything and that it has NOTHING to do with her.

        Not TC- he goes to Cali to his lawyers.

        No excuse works.

  23. Chris: now with 10% less negativity says:

    How come Tom and Suri only have phone contact with each other at the moment?

    • Happymom says:

      Because he didn’t go to NYC to see her. He went to CA to get bitch slapped by Miscavige for screwing this up and then was busy with the other evil leaders of COS and attorneys to strategize how to portray Katie as the greedy woman trying to keep his child from him.

      • Girlygirl410 says:

        Now that is funny as hell!

      • mary simon says:

        I’d say happymom sums it up rather neatly. The other midget in this divorce, Mr. Miscavige, can’t be too happy about the article posted on Daily Mail today regarding his missing wife, complete with a big “Missing Person” poster of her photo pasted right in the middle of the article.

        The two sides haven’t even met in court yet and already the co$ worms are crawling out of their cans. No need for Katie to “manipulate” the press – this thing has taken on a life of it’s own. Team co$/Tom would be fools not to settle with Katie quickly and quietly.

    • Sloane Wyatt says:

      The fact Cruise didn’t bother to see Suri immediately after Katie filed for divorce speaks volumes. Any ‘blindsided’ Dad worth his salt would move heaven and earth to see his child right away. The only possible excuse for not going to NY to visit Suri would be some behind the scenes legal maneuvering preventing Tommy from seeing her.

      I don’t think that’s the case, and Tommy’s real (Co$) priorities can and will be used against him by Katie’s attorneys. Even his flip flopping of publicly planning to stay in Iceland for his birthday in one of his pre divorce filing press statements, and then claiming Katie heartlessly left him all alone on his big day gives him the track record of being manipulative and dishonest.

      Tom is definitely being hoisted by his own petard!

      • kay says:

        I totally agree with you and used some of your thoughts in my above post.

      • mary simon says:

        He’s basically an absentee, workaholic dad anyway, and if he had custody of Suri, she would be raised by an array of family members and co$-bots.

        In another 15 years, we would see a lost, slovenly, obese Suri living on skid row while Tom continues his quest for eternal relevance and celebrity.

        How often over the years, and how recently, has he been seen with his eldest daughter? Not so much.

    • Chris: now with 10% less negativity says:

      Speaking as a dad who is currently going through the separation process I reckon he’s made a huge tactical error. What I did and what he should’ve done straight off the bat was demand 50% custody until the matter was settled. By allowing Katie to have Suri 100% of the time at this stage he’s conceding that she’s the primary carer and probably sets a precedent for future arrangements. However my ex and I have been fairly amicable where the kids have been concerned. The money side of it not so much. Anywho I find it interesting that Katie doesn’t want Tom to have Suri 50% of the time, therefore she’s going have to give her reasons at some stage and that’s when the really Juicy details are going to surface.

  24. Hubbahun says:

    Dear Tom. It’s not going to work this time. We all know you’re a crazy, egotistical short arse who thinks money can buy everyone and everything. Get it through your head. We’ve all got Katie’s back. Do yourself a favour. Stop trying to spin the ‘poor Tom’ angle, let the divorce go through with dignity and grace and maybe you’ll have a valuable, substantive relationship with your daughter one day.

    • Diana says:

      Agreed. The best thing he could here is let this go uncontested and try to attempt a private deal with Katie. And be gracious and sincere while doing it.

      I really doubt his ego or the Church of Crazy will let him do that, though.

  25. Zvonk says:

    It appears that Tom and his fellow scientologists don’t like Katie using their patented tactics. Poor didums.

    I hope Katie takes Tom to the cleaners (every penny she takes is a penny less for scientology).

  26. SisterMaryHotPantz says:

    I dont know what the laws are in NY and CA but here in Ohio, where I practice, a father does not have any custodial rights to a child born prior to the marriage until determined by a Court. Thats even when the bio dad signs the birth certificate. Suri was born prior to their marriage. In Ohio, Tom wouldnt even be allowed visits with Suri until a Judge ordered visits. This may be the reason why Katie didnt file for emergency custody, as she already has sole custodial rights to Suri.

    • Dana says:

      In one of the many things I’ve read about this I read that Katie has proof for sole custody. I keep thinking Tommy girl is not the biological father, even if he raised Suri as his own.

      • TG says:

        Every time this comes up I keep asking myself who is listed on the birth certificate? If it is Tom then he is the legal father and I think any judge would agree considering he has helped raise her and both have acknowledged publically that he is the father. Also, why would she be asking for child support if she was going to use that card? Wouldn’t she be asking for sole physical and legal custody? I mean I hope you are right but Katie’s actions dont’ point that way. I can’t imagine Mr. Oblivion taking it too well when a judge tells him he can make no legal decisions on his daugthers behalf re religion, healthcare and education. I don’t think any normal person would take that too well. Now imagine this maniac’s reaction when being told he isn’t in charge. How do you monitor what a parent says to a child in private anyway?

    • Esmom says:

      Wow, that would be huge if it turned out to be applicable in NY/CA.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Unfortunately ladies, paternity tests are only done in CA if the father contests his fatherhood (basically, at the request of the father) in court.

      If he’s found to be the father, he pays for the test; if not, taxpayers pay.

      Does CO$ eschew doctors as well as psychiatrists/psychologists? Because if they do, maybe this is why – they don’t want DNA tests done.

      Just my rambling thought.

  27. clara says:

    Just read on the Village Voice that Mark Headley sent a copy of his book “Blown for good” to Katie’s dad awhile ago, lol!
    I can’t imagine reading the book while having your kid married to a scientologist, it must have been gut-wrenching. :|

    • sarahtonin says:

      I love the name, “Blown For Good,” for a CO$ book. I bet Tommygirl and Johnnyboy thought that when they signed up to be cured of homosexuality.

    • Happymom says:

      I think her dad has been in contact with a lot of these former Scientologists for a while. I also read that Penelope Cruz’ father had done a lot of research trying to keep her out of COS’s clutches when she was dating Tom.

      • flan says:

        Can totally imagine a clan of angry Spaniards not wanting their Penelope to be subject to that and succeed.

      • sarahtonin says:

        I really feel for her parents. It must’ve been so hard to watch her get involved in all this mess while having the distance to see CO$ for what it is. It sucks when you have to let people you love make their own mistakes. I’m glad she is listening to them and I bet this is the most optimistic they’ve felt in a long time.

        I never really cared much for her, but I’m starting to really respect her. If what we are reading is true, and she was careful to play the CO$ game without divulging anything damaging, just enough to keep Tom happy without falling for any of it, and outsmarting him in her escape, then she’s pretty awesome.

        Edit: Happymom, do you know much about Penelope’s escape? I never read anything about her relationship with TC, so I don’t know what happened, just that it ended. Was she involved with CO$?

      • the original bellaluna says:

        sarahtonin – Penny & he broke up BECAUSE of CO$. Once again, a nice Catholic girl, but she shut that crazy down.

  28. Aussie girl says:

    Who would Have thought that the girl with the side smile from Dawsons creek would be the the one to take on TC & COS! Team Katie!! You know I always thought of Nicole as cold like she just left her children. however the more I read into this the more I realise how Tom brain washed his children. How sad this must have been for her. I would LOVE to know her thoughts!

  29. sarahtonin says:

    I find it interesting that Katie has universal support from the public, (including myself). I can’t remember the last time a celeb had just about everyone on their side.

    I wonder how Tommygirl feels now he is finally forced to realise that no one likes him?

    • Anne de Vries says:

      I think this may be another of those ‘perfect storm’ moments – like Anonymous in 2008.
      A pre-existing general mood and poor opinion about scientology, a spark when she filed for divorce, and a growing flame that’s fanned when people who were previously just vaguely ‘Yeah, scientology seems dodgy’ go looking for all the information on how sinister it really is.

      • sarahtonin says:

        Yeah totally agree with you. Many people knew it was sinister but didn’t really care. Faceless people blah blah. But there’s been a lot of articles of late and journos seem more game to post negative stories, where previously they faced litigation. So the story has been building for awhile – especially in New York.

        But when famous people run, it’s big news, especially because it was famous people who told us how great it was in the first place. Celebs made CO$, but they can break it too.

        Also, the people who were interested in T&K news, especially Suri stories now are interested in what CO$ is really about. The fascination with Suri has been hitched to the Scientology is evil movement. That’s a big, built-in audience that is now ready to hear the message.

        If ever there was a time to bring this cult down to size, it is now.

      • gg says:

        Anne and Sarah: I really like your posts. You always put things so succinctly and calmly. Props. I have a hard time staying calm when I am angry as hell that this bunch of psycholoonies have run roughshod over so, so many people for decades.

      • sarahtonin says:

        Thank you GG! And I agree with you that Anne is fabulous, isn’t she? I read all her posts, they are always so eloquent and wise and thoughtful.

        But don’t think I’m not all fired up. I’m trying to hold myself back from posting big rants in every thread! As it is I’ve replied all over the page. I’ve got plenty more to say but I’m trying not to be totally annoying. CO$ is my pet hate, the whole thing makes me furious that it is so obviously a big scam and yet they are still ‘legitimate.’ I’m really passionate about everyone learning what they are really about and getting their church status revoked, so I’m relishing every moment of this!

      • Anne de Vries says:

        Thank you, I’m glad my attempts at injecting sanity get noticed :-) I’ve been at this for a while, which (sadly?) means that nothing of the information that makes its way out surprises me much anymore. I’m not as RL active as I used to be, but, you know, my cult-critical socially aware enturbulation brings all the boys to the yard :-)

      • sarahtonin says:

        Hahaha yeah it’s a great ice-breaker, the evils of scientology, right? I’d use it as a pick-up line if I wasn’t in a relationship.

        I learnt about CO$ from chanology and have gleaned what I could since from here and there. I’ve read nothing new and shocking in these articles either, but I love that people are talking about it and asking questions. No offence to anyone here, (because most CB people are not mindless, celebrity-obsessives by any stretch), but there’s a lot of people out there content to saturate their lives with entertainment news and never find out about any real issues for themselves. There’s certainly a push by the MSM to stupify ourselves with celebrity gossip at the expense of asking questions about whether those in power are doing the right thing. It’s great that this information is now being disseminated to the masses, and that they are asking questions and googling stuff to find out more. It’s what we all should be doing with a lot more stuff that is going on atm.

        Btw, forgive me for just assuming you are female and not the artist (or dead writer), Anne De Vries. I’m not sarahtonin from the X rated videos either, for that matter, just in case you were wondering.

    • skuddles says:

      Yikes, I can’t even begin to imagine the crazed, over the top, grinning-like-a-maniac, nutbag we’re going to have on our hands once this divorce business is settled – he’ll be so desperate to regain his status and popularity again (not that he has a whole lot of that now). Total circus act… which, of course, will only make him seem that much crazier and pathetic in our eyes.

      • sarahtonin says:

        Tom has grossed a lot of people out for a long time now, so much so that they can’t watch anything he is in. I’m one of them, I can’t stand him. I found him annoying before I knew about CO$, but that just turned an irritation into a fully blown objection.

        I’m hoping that more people will feel like this now and what’s left of his career will be over.

      • skuddles says:

        I totally hear you sarahtonin. I haven’t been able to watch Cruise in anything for a long time and definitely can’t bear to watch his interviews. I am quite sure his behavior during the divorce and the subsequent airing of CO$ dirty laundry will torpedo his rep and career for good. Well, that and the inevitably wacko behavior he’ll exhibit after the divorce – he’ll be on a manic bender to prove he’s just FINE. Can you imagine how crazed he’ll to shove his next bride victim in our face? No couch will be spared….

  30. Kim1 says:

    I wonder why they only had one kid.I think Katie mentioned she wanted another child about 3 years ago.I wonder if he told her no more kids, it was joint decision or she woke up and re alized everything wasnt ‘ amazing’.

  31. LeeLoo says:

    That attorney is just pissed because she didn’t give Tom any warning that she would file and because she has all the media sympathy.

    I know Tom still has all the studios backing him but it is going to suck when his Jack Reacher movie flops and this current movie that he is working on flops. I seriously think this whole event killed his career. I think from 2005 until the most recent MI movie people were very leery of him. Then MI:4 came out and people were coming around. Now people are going to retreat from him again and I am pretty sure they won’t be coming back around this time.

    I just read an article from TMZ and I am a bit concerned that Tom has unlimited access to Suri at the moment and could see her whenever he wished. Right now because there is no protective order or anything there isn’t a lot to stop him from legally kidnapping her back to CA. Does anyone know how that works in NY? When will they discuss at least temporary custody arrangements? Any family law attorneys on the east coast?

    • TG says:

      That is what I was asking yesterday. Surely if she is so afraid of this monster that she had to resort to a covert operation to escape she has must have enough to get a restraining order against him for her and Suri. Somebody said those are hard to get so please someone explain.

    • Izzy says:

      While kidnapping is a valid concern, I think there’s next to no chance of it happening. Think about it: Suri disappears, who gets blamed first? Tom and Co$, of course. THEN take into account that they took her to California – ACROSS STATE LINES – and suddenly the kidnapping literally becomes a federal case. At that point, no judge is going to refuse search warrants for just about every Co$ property in the state. There’s no way they or Tom could snatch Suri and get away with it. Could you imagine the size of the manhunt?

    • LeeLoo says:

      I know I heard that restraining orders are hard to get in NY. But my biggest question is whether or not Tom can legally kidnap Suri (since there is no custody arrangement currently) to CA to make Katie fight in CA?

      • Izzy says:

        No, he couldn’t. The fact is, Katie has been the primary caregiver for a long time now, and she has the presumptive right to continue to do so while things are being hammered out. Also, she’s not denying him access. All he needs to do is hop on one of his private jets and go to NY to see her. If the attorneys could not work out an arrangement, the court would likely appoint a third party (guardian ad litem type of thing) to represent Suri in the proceedings, and if Katie’s lawyers voiced concern over kidnapping, given Cruise’s resources, the judge would probably order supervised visitation.

    • flan says:

      I’m really sick of powerful men always covering for each other and getting pissed when someone challenges them (like that angry Grammy organizer who was pissed people shunned Chris Brown).

      The thing we can do to them is not support such people with our money. They are nothing without that.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      What Katie NEEDS is a restraining order against Tom and the ENTIRE CO$.

      Good luck with that.

      And, FWIW, SoCal family law paralegal (Mum) told me that a restraining order isn’t worth the paper it’s written on if whomever it’s against chooses to ignore it. That’s why so many women end up dead at the hands of their abusers.

      • LeeLoo says:

        I can state that for a fact. It took me leaving the country for two years to get my abuser off of my back. Even though, I have a restraining order. :-S The good news is the Canadian government barred him from visiting the country due to his felonies and with the restraining order. Now I live in a state where he has a warrant out for his arrest if he should ever return.

      • Lady D says:

        I wrote an editorial for my local paper suggesting that restraining orders be issued with a gun and lessons. The publisher refused to run it and told me I was being ridiculous.

  32. Lem says:

    What is this “ridiculous, we don’t live in NYC” crap?
    I’ve seen far, FAR more pictures of Katie in NYC than anywhere else for years. Surely TMZ can be used a proof she there at least x many days a year. They very clearly do appear to live in New York.
    Can you imagine how isolated the poor girl would have been in CA

  33. Luckie says:

    Tom is not a victim here. The man has been a studio head, in the business for over 30+ years, was much older than Katie when they married and has been married a few times. Hoping Katie’s lawyers/PR use this in the media. No way is he a victim, he is just raging that he didn’t get to end it (this time).

  34. serena says:

    Go Katie go!!
    Media play.. the fuck, how do they think to gain Tom sympathy after all of that?

  35. Jackson says:

    When I read the Hollywood Life story yesterday I thought ‘yaaaay Katie’ so too bad that’s not true.
    Poor, poor Tom. Karma’s a bitch, baby.

  36. Paloma says:

    Lots of conflicting info is coming out now.
    I really hope Katie’s lawyers are hard core on this and can fight the Tom machine he will employ.

    Why in the world wouldn’t Tom have been suspicious when Katie changed apartments? You think a gut instinct would have kicked in.

    Go Katie, go!

  37. Trebuchette says:

    I bet TCo$ has something on katie that would (in their thinking) discredit her, so they release these mafia-sounding statements hoping to “jog her memory”, but TC is so bad and CO$ even worse that KH just doesn’t give a shit.

    Katie could kill people and I STILL would be Team Katie.

    The only way I wouldn’t be is if she’s still CO$-related at all.

  38. Aussie girl says:

    I so hope Our dawson creek gal has got a few Tricks up her sleave cause this is going to get nasty! ( maybe she has some info on tom and his boy toys). Oh & its like super odd that in all his three marriages his wives where 33 when they divorced. It’s like Tom has his own ’27′ club.

  39. N-Bear says:

    Connor and Isabella will be shipped to TN or Australia to visit with Nicole to establish how close their relationship has always been with their SP mother and that CO$ certainly played no part in destroying their relationship with her.

    The Nicole/kids’ relationship is going to be a HUGE example of the problems of allowing CO$ to continue in Suri’s life. CO$ has left itself no middle ground to stand on.

    • lunabell says:

      That’s a really interesting perspective!

      I’ve always felt bad for Nicole – in later years after the divorce her relationship with the Kidman-Cruise kids has always seemed so tenuous. And now, she’s being inadvertently drawn into the media frenzy.

      Could you imagine being her recently? I would think she was secretly happy that Tom was getting his, and that the destructiveness of Scientology was being blown wide open. But if she publicly shows support to Katie, she risks alienating her kids even more. And if she did allow a photo-op with the K-C kids to show that everything was fine, she’d really be working against her own best interests (and in the long run, her kids’ best interests as such an action would lend support to Scientology).

  40. Lexi says:

    I hope word of mouth manages to trump Tom Cruise’s attempt to blame Katie for everything. The more the the general population agree that Tom is batsh!t crazy then better odds for Katie. I really want her to come out of this winning!

  41. dorothy says:

    “Little man” is going down.

  42. lisa2 says:

    Truth is Katie is playing the media. She is using Tom’s crazy religion. I’m just smh at the fact that she was not so concerned when Nicole lose her kids. And she had no problem with those kids not seeing their mother or calling her Mom.

    Neither of these two people are perfect.

    • LeeLoo says:

      This is true. But I am willing to believe that Katie has seen the error of her ways and will not make the same mistake. Plus, how much you want to bet that Tom made her say those things about Nicole. I always got the feeling that Connor and Isabella never really got along with Katie.

    • gg says:

      Dude. She doesn’t need to “use” anything. Public opinion has been giving the co$ the side-eye for decades. It’s a machine that’s going to run no matter what Katie does.

      And I believe she WAS brainwashed at first about Nicole and now she sees quite clearly.

    • Emily says:

      “Neither of these two people are perfect.”

      Strawman. No one ever said Katie was perfect, because no one in this real world thinks anyone is perfect.

      Tom Cruise, however, is far more “imperfect” than most people are. Scientology is far more “imperfect” than most organizations are. You don’t have to be perfect to be a victim of manipulation and abuse, and you do have to be much more of a jerk than most people to be a manipulative abuser.

  43. KK says:

    The best is TC trying to backtrack about his birthday. Too bad he ALREADY said his family understood the “arrangement” and how he spends so many birthdays on set. Now we are supposed to buy this sob story of TC alone with his other kids on his birthday? I hope Katie plays that up, he’s never around and it’s better for Suri to be with her mom than with TC. Katie was already a single parent with TC only visiting his family in between movies. Any court should decide for Katie to have physical custody than TC and his CO$ goons. This is not a custody case about KH vs TC, there is a very dangerous third party in this situation. And anyone saying poor Tom, he should have joint custody is fooling themselves thinking TC will actually be the one caring for Suri. People forget that there is no divide between TC and the CO$. His whole team, his family and everyone he surrounds himself with are CO$. (you can include that in the brief Mr. Holmes).

  44. Aussie girl says:

    It’s nearly midnight here in Aus & I have to get up super early but I just cant stop reading blogs about this! Its the whole CO$ factor I think. She is not just taking on Tom, she is taking on a powerfull evil cult!

  45. Molly says:

    Ladies who have ANY interest in Tom Cruise should take note here….watch and learn. If you decide to go into that rabbit hole, you may not be so lucky as Katie to actually get out with your child by your side. I used to be a TC fan, but I am beginning to think he is very controlling and probably threatening.

  46. foozy says:

    i hope they share custody as i’m sure tom must love his daughter very much. it’s mean of katie to even ask!

    • gg says:

      Holy cow what a naive statement. “Mean”? It’s a 4ucking divorce case! And he left her with NO choice.

    • sarahtonin says:

      Hey Foozy, go be a good little thetan and run back to tell everyone your fearless, little asthmatic leader announced all sea org inmates are free to come and go as they please. I’m sure you’d all like to go out for the afternoon to buy an icy-pole every now and then, no?

      Although, do check in here on the internet every now and then and we’ll tell you if SETI has made contact with Xenu yet. I bet you’re looking forward to flying back to your planet in his DC-9.

      Nanu Nanu

  47. foozy says:

    droopy eyed kate didn’t bring tom cruise much luck since he met the idiot! i hope he’ll has better luck next time. preferably with someone who’s not so boring and meaningless!

  48. Justaposter says:

    ohh doggie, looks like Xenu is in the house now..

    Run and throw rocks at them!!

    Did they give some from Sea Org the day off? Make them surf the net to post on “Xenu bad” topics??

  49. eb says:

    Tom Cruise is brain-washed. He is currently allowing scientology to brainwash his children. From the quote in the media from his daughter, they’ve been successful.

    He doesn’t understand that scientology didn’t make him successful. He did.

    The biggest sin that ‘church’ did to him was to solidify his obvious doubt in himself. That’s why he clings so much to them. They have made themselves necessary for his functioning.

    If he were a regular healthy person he would harbor at least some differences. Any idea that he doesn’t completely identify with that church is shot down by just a couple of youtube videos. (lauer and mi scientology)

    He won in the looks lottery. He has all his teeth, a big smile, a healthy work ethic and charm. Hollywood is a crapshoot for aspiring actors, but he had a better chance than any. Probably from his dyslexia he had all these doubts about himself sown from years before. Instead of putting his esteem in the hands of a group of good friends, he met a scientologist and began this wasteful journey.

    Scientology look like the pedoph* of the religious world. (can’t even write the word and sorry for the invocation — its’ just the behavior is so similar to me now.) They find the weak and vulnerable and then begin preying. Tom was clearly weak. And unlucky. And now truly perverted. Trapped and doesn’t even know it.

    This doesn’t mean that I think he should get custody of his daughter. He is wretched, and probably deserving of someone going after his lost-sheep ass, but we live in the real world. And in the real world there are limits on everything. Especially when there are children concerned. Katie may feel a lot for that man, but her ultimate responsibility is to her child. She is making the right moves. I just hope she wins.

    Maybe someone with no responsibilities can go after him and save him. If they can get close. I wonder if he will ever wake up and realize how scientology has ruined his life. Probably not. That is one thing that most people have the hardest time with – admitting they were wrong.

    • Me says:

      This is very similar to the way someone else was explaining the situation to me yesterday.. they (‘C’oS) prey on people’s weaknesses and insecurities and use that against them in the indoctrination process. There is a terrible climate of fear. In that respect alone, I feel sorry for Tom Cruise: he’s probably no different from other Scientologists who know the ‘church’ has accumulated damaging and/or embarrassing information on them through their auditing sessions or whatever it’s called. According to Marc Rathbun, David Miscavige had Tom’s auditing sessions secretly filmed.. and the transcripts of his confessions were read aloud by David Miscavige…”joking and laughing about the content of Tom’s confessions.” to ‘top management’(Wikipedia). That’s one reason I don’t really believe Miscavige is actually that close to Cruise (or anyone).. it seems more like TC is a very valuable piggy bank for ‘C’OS. Plus I don’t think a megalomaniac like David Miscavige is capable of having friends.
      Having said all of that, I’m rooting for Katie to win custody of Suri.

      I read a post on an ex-scientology site saying they don’t really care about the Holmes/Cruise divorce.. they’ll be much more interested in the Miscavige/Cruise divorce lol.

  50. Mac says:

    Tom’s contributions to the church were supposed to protect him from this crap.

    He shoulda had immunity from everything.

  51. G says:

    Katie just needs to state the following:

    “Sign it Tom or I go public with EVERYTHING…”

  52. Rory says:

    I smell smoke!! Someone’s pants are on fire, lol!! He’s a liar, don’t trust a thing out of his mouth … read this link to the end:
    http://chatterbusy.blogspot.ca/2012/07/tom-cruise-surgery.html

  53. renata says:

    I’m surprised reading all the strong support for Katie Holmes on this thread — the fact is I think both of these people have something wrong with them and choosing one over the other is a losing proposition.

    —Do you really think KH didn’t know anything about Scientology by the time she married TC (if not well before she married him)?

    —Seriously, do you believe the Scientology madness really wound up being a surprise to her?

    —What, she suddenly realized that “auditing” children might have psychological repercussions?

    There’s something totally wrong with this entire picture. I wish for them both to disappear, and the C of $ with them.

    • Apsutter says:

      I honestly think he love bombed her and trapped her. After they met she disappeared for 2 weeks and all of her friends & fam thought she might have been kidnapped! That’s freakin crazy! It’s pretty well documented that he didn’t let her out of his sight & had Sci handlers on her immediately. I think she was brainwashed & I think that he hid most of the Sci stuff from her for a looong time. He probably downplayed it as something they do every once in a while & didn’t really unveil it till a couple of years in. The whole relationship is suspect really and so creepy. Why did he propose so fast? Why did she get pregnant right away? If he had nothing to hide then why keep her from all her friends and family? Why did they hide Suri for 4 months? Just thinking of it gives me the creeps!!

    • lunabell says:

      This line of argument makes no sense.

      Even if all that is 100% true, is it not possible that she got in over her head?

      Is it not possible that while she had information about CoS, she couldn’t appreciate the full repercussions of her actions until she was living with him, being babysat by handlers? Until it was too late?

      Is it not possible that people can change their minds?

      Is she not allowed to leave because she made a few mistakes of her own?

      Is she not allowed to try to protect her daughter from future cult abuse, just because she didn’t wise up before said daughter was born?

      I for one think that even though she obviously made mistakes of her own and was complicit in some things (knowing NK was being alienated from her kids, but allowing them to call her mom, etc.), think she should be commended for coming to and breaking free, and the cleverness with which she and her team did it. There’s nothing you can do about what’s already happened. The only thing you can do is try to do right by yourself and the people you care about, which Katie seems to be trying to do.

      • gg says:

        When you know better, you do better. People learn from the past. Katie’s learned quite well apparently.

      • Jaxx says:

        I, too, cringed when they announced the kids called her Mom, while calling their mother Nicole. At the same time I have been a stepmother and know what it is like to cherish any indication whatsoever that you are being accepted. If my stepkids had asked to call me mom I would have loved it. However, at the same time, I would not have encouraged them to reject their real mother under any circumstances or disrespectfully call her by her first name. It would have been more like you have a bonus mom than a replacement that excluded her. And we don’t know how much Katie understood at that time the campaign that was going on to alienate Nicole from her children. If she did support that I would be really surprised. She is just too kindhearted of a person. Whatever the real situation I bet she’s sorry she had any part of it now.

      • Anne de Vries says:

        I once dated a guy who had a ‘crazy ex’. His entire social circle agreed that she was crazy. I was smitten with the guy – who seemed genuinely wonderful and treated me great – so I accepted that image of the ex. Wasn’t until the relationship turned sour that I figured out that the way he’d treated her had made her act that way, because now he was screwing with my head.

        It’s a mistake most of us only make once.

    • blonde on the dock says:

      So far yours and Ali’s is the most sane comment on here!

  54. Apsutter says:

    TC is such a punk bitch. So glad that his movie career is winding down. Seriously every movie he makes that isn’t a Mission Impossible flops. We all know that your a controlling psychopath Tom. Nice try to garner sympathy after 6 years of people wondering why she stayed with him. I vowed not to see anything with him in after the divorce with Nicole & all the Sci revelations. I’m sticking to my word. Haven’t seen any of his crap and don’t plan too

  55. Tmbg says:

    I think this whole thing reeks of The Manchurian Candidate, with Tom playing the role of Eleanor Iselin (or Shaw). He would have been perfect for the part and it’s a shame he didn’t audition for the 2004 version of the film.

    “Katie dear, why don’t you pass the time with a game of solitaire?”

    I hope to heavens he stays away from her. The man’s a loon.

  56. Izzards Chick says:

    Not sure where to post something like this but since Celebitchy seems like its run by normal bloggers and comments are made mostly by normal commenters I need to say this…TMZ is scaring the HECKITTY HECK out of me!!!! They are cobbling pics together to make Katie look evil and the kid tormented, they have the MOST ridiculous statements that pretty much sum up to mean “id watch out if i were YOU”. I thought something was fishy when TMZ started supporting Mel Gibson on various posts but let it slide. This no longer seems acceptable to me. I think something should be done, perhaps a fan boycott of their site. I dont know

    • Lady D says:

      I noticed that TMZ seems to be very much pro Tom. I wonder if Co$ got to Harvey. I gave up posting there months ago. While there are a few great posters (Hi Mads) there are far too many racists posting on that site and TMZ does nothing about it. Freedom of speech does not make racists comments okay unless they are bringing in money for Harvey I guess.

    • LucyOriginal says:

      I noticed Harvey is being very careful with what words to use in this case and whenever one of his employees say something about Scientology, he carefully restates what they said using better words or cutting them, so they can’t continue their thoughts. I posted there only twice, nothing related to this story.
      There was a woman the other day that called in and she said in one of the videos of the heads of Scientology, you could see the same people the paparazzi showed that was following Katie. When she was saying it live, her phone call was “cut”/ went off air, and Harvey said, please try to get a hold of her, etc…

  57. Jaxx says:

    Did anyone happen to click on the Huffpo article listed in this posting about the “Urban Legend” of Tom scouting for a new wife and having her sign a five year contract? It’s a ridiculous effort to say all those rumors were false and the final word on it was this:

    “Surely, any pre-existing contract would have prevented Holmes from taking Suri away from Cruise altogether”

    Oh yeah, that makes all those rumors false. Please. What woman in her right mind would sign away her unborn child to any man? It wouldn’t even be legal. Signing away your parental rights a legal procedure that is not going to be covered in a prenuptual agreement.

    So much crap is going to be coming out of the woodwork now that the Cruise team is going to be crazy for months.

    • Anne de Vries says:

      It’s either Headly or Rathburn who says that the contract thing is an urban legend fabricated from the extensive non-dislosure contracts being spread around at the time, but that the auditioning for a wife really did happen.

      I don’t tend to believe the marriage contract thing, though I’m sure there’s some interesting stuff in the prenup.

  58. Jaxx says:

    For all those saying that Katie can’t use the cult in court because it would violate Tom’s civil rights to practice his religion:

    It’s never been officially declared a church. This is from Wikipedia:

    declaring Scientology’s activities were commercial and operated for the benefit of Hubbard. The church sued and lost repeatedly for 26 years trying to regain its tax-exempt status. The case was eventually settled in 1993, at which time the church paid $12.5 million to the IRS—greatly less than IRS had initially demanded—and the IRS recognized the church as a tax-exempt nonprofit organization.[41] In addition, Scientology also dropped more than fifty lawsuits against the IRS when this settlement was reached. Scientology cites its tax exemption as proof the United States government accepts it as a religion.[42] In January 2009, removal of the tax exemption was rated as number 9 in items for the incoming Barack Obama administration to investigate, as determined in an internet poll run by the presidential transition team soliciting public input for the incoming administration.

    I find the item about it being something Obama promised to investigate very intesting. Could this case push that item higher on the agenda? Sci-bots ought to be walking very quietly right now. But I bet they are all shitting their pants. I bet they never thought the day would come when they couldn’t control little old nobody Katie Holmes. I LOVE IT!

  59. alison8701 says:

    The Hollywood Reporter goes into a lot of detail about Scientology and it’s REALLY scary. I really hope Katie does something drastic because there are kids in this place, being indoctrinated and being put through terrible psychologically tormenting things.

    It’s no secret that Scientology is a cult. But what I think IS kind of a secret is how susceptible EVERY SINGLE PERSON is to being indoctrinated. A lot of times you’ll read things like “If they had any common sense” and “What is wrong with those people” but being sucked into a cult is SO easy. And the people who are pulled in aren’t necessarily mentally weak or gullible, the cult is just that good. The use of subterfuge, lying, manipulation and most importantly the ideas of “We will keep you safe” and “Everyone else is an Other. You cannot trust an Other.” are just so effective.

    I do think that there are some personality types drawn to cults (controlling; submissive) but for the most part, everyone is susceptible.

    • moxylady007 says:

      Yes. Cults work and flourish for a reason! Yes some of the people in them arent that bright… just like any other cross section of the population. Cults prey on people, find their weaknesses and exploit them.

      Its really scary what can happen to the human mind under the right influence.

    • Anne de Vries says:

      Well said. I don’t think focusing on the crazy beliefs helps to keep people safe at all – it just makes people go “Why, they are all nuts, I would never fall for that”

      While the actual recruitment process is so insidious that you would be deeply invested before you even get a hint of the weirder stuff.

      The tragic thing is that they often appeal to people’s desire to make the world a better place. Scientologists believe they are saving the world! Instead they find themselves posting negative messages on internet message boards, and on endless fundraising drives so Miscavige can buy his expensive bottles of whiskey. It must give so much cognitive dissonance to really *want* to do good in the world and to get that desire cynically manipulated and redirected into those inane activities.

  60. LucyOriginal says:

    Thanks to all of you who are posting these links. I had no idea about the extent of cray cray CO$ truly is. Where is the Tom Cruise I liked in top gun, cocktail, Jerry maguire (etc)?

    I am totally Team Katie Holmes on this one. This is the girl I used to watch Dawsons’. I do think she was totally living the fairy tale… Who had thought the girl from Dawson’s would turn up a fierce woman/mother?! Go Katie! I hope you win!

  61. HannahF says:

    Checking back in and have some thoughts on earlier posts. I handle a lot of domestic violence cases and as others have said there are a lot of similarities. With respect to the Katie knew what she was getting into theory. I have a DV client whose ex is getting married again. The wife to be knows about the spousal battery conviction and that his children (early 20′s) won’t speak to him. No doubt she has been told it was a misunderstanding and all my evil client’s fault. That’s the way abusers work it.

    As for taking Suri back to CA, I don’t know how it is in NY but in CA there are automatic restraining orders that go into effect when divorce papers are filed/served. Among the restraining orders is a prohibition against either party taking a minor child out of the state without the permission of the other parent.

    With respect to Tom’s not the bio dad and they weren’t married when Suri was born issues. The bio dad issue is really complex and probably Tom would still have rights and obligations. The not being married is almost certainly a non-issue–not because of the birth certificate but a Declaration of Paternity was more than likely filed with the State. (they give it to the dads at the hospital)

  62. I Choose Me says:

    Peeps into thread and settles back to read all of the dirt, speculation and snark. Keeps fingers crossed that this is the start of CO$ going down for good!

  63. dizzy says:

    No sane person is on your side, Tom!

  64. LucyOriginal says:

    off topic…Did you know Ted Casablancas will no longer write the awful truth? He wrote a letter today. What’s happening in the gossip world?

  65. ZenB!tch says:

    They were wrong – isn’t she set for the emergency hearing on the 17th? I take this to mean they are wrong on waiting her out on the media too.

    He has a huge image problem. While the public may go see some of his films like MI:4 they/we don’t like him personally.

    He comes across as so cold in that one video CNN ran this morning.

  66. Kosmos says:

    Tom is going to be allowed visitation. I wonder how Katie is going to stop him from exposing their child to the cult during his custody time? I’m certain he will want to brainwash Suri as much as possible. She would have to prove to the court that Scientology practices are harmful to Suri, which could be difficult since she knowingly married into their belief system and remained there for five years. I’m certain she & her lawyers have a plan to get around this.

  67. Serp says:

    I’m not one to follow gossip or celebrities. And I’m rather skeptic of the media as well spinning people into villains.

    But goddamn, Tom Cruise is an absolute dick. Not to get political, but he has a very similar arrogance about him as men like Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney do. An “I am better than you are, you must listen to me and obey” type feeling.

    Good on Katie for getting out of that. And for once, I honestly see a situation where all the money in the world won’t make someone a better person or be worth having. Some of the most successful people are just so irritating I don’t think they are capable of having real relationships with other human beings.