TMZ has a few new Lohan stories straight from the crackie source. Here’s a real question: why do we have to continue with the pretense that Lindsay Lohan and Dina Lohan aren’t talking to TMZ directly? Deep thoughts. Anyway, TMZ’s “sources” say that Lindsay is now admitting that her life is off the rails. But it’s everybody else’s fault. Never Lindsay’s fault. NEVER. I feel like we’ve heard this crap a million times before, but here goes:
Lindsay Lohan has hit rock bottom yet again and she knows it … finally admitting her life has gone off the rails and she desperately needs professional help … TMZ has learned.
Lindsay’s telling friends, she thought she had turned over a new leaf back in March when she completed the terms of her sentence in the jewelry heist case … and Judge Stephanie Sautner maternally warned, “Stop the nightclubbing and focus on your work.”
Lindsay clearly ignored that advice … and now we’re told she’s inconsolable — repeatedly calling her lawyer Shawn Holley in tears. In classic Lindsay form, she knows her life is out of control, but she’s blaming it on others, saying she has again hooked up with a bad group of people and had run-ins with “opportunists” who have tried to provoke her.
As for drugs and alcohol … Lindsay is still adamant … she doesn’t have a problem. As they say, there is none so blind as those who will not see.
Lindsay believes her real problem is that she never stuck with counseling, but thinks regular appointments with a professional could be her salvation. It’s probably not coincidental that counseling is now the only possible way she can avoid jail for the new crimes and probation violation.
Finally … Lindsay is confessing to friends she has a big problem with impulse control … in other words, she doesn’t think before she acts. She thinks a shrink can help her in that department.
If she did, maybe there’d be no such thing as “Liz and Dick.”
This story taken with last week’s Star and Enquirer stories (about Lindsay being diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder) have me wondering if all of this isn’t just Lindsay’s latest crack hustle to stay out of jail. Is she laying the groundwork for her January hearing? Will Shawn Holley tell the judge that her crack’d client needs to be put in a court-ordered mental institution rather than jail? Here’s the problem with that: One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. That’s the exact plot. I think Lindsay would hate a mental health facility more than jail, and if I was in her position, I would choose jail over any kind of private or publicly-funded mental health place too.
And remember how Charlie Sheen donated $100K to the crack charity known as Blohan? Charlie confirmed the “gift” and he even said that Lindsay had never thanked him for it. Well, Lindsay wants us to know that she sent Charlie a note and some flowers:
Lindsay Lohan sent a belated “thank you” card and flowers to casa de Charlie Sheen for that $100k check he gave her — this just days after he called her out for being ungrateful.
You’ll recall … Charlie did an interview this week and put LiLo’s manners on blast, claiming the actress never actually thanked him for the money he gave her. Not a text, not a phone call … nothing.
Now sources close to Lindsay tell TMZ … LiLo didn’t mean to be rude and the reason she never got around to thanking Charlie personally is because her phone broke and she lost all her contacts — including the actor’s number.
Besides that, we’re told Lindsay got distracted trying to deal with her slew of legal problems — like getting arrested in NYC and the new criminal charges filed against her stemming from her PCH crash — and she simply lost track of time.
But she made up for it … we’re told LiLo saw Charlie’s comments and immediately fired off a “thank you” letter and a bouquet of flowers to his house … as both an apology and show of gratitude.
Usually the best way to thank Charlie is with hookers, but flowers are nice too.
If someone gave me $100K, I would manage more than a brief thank-you note and some flowers. I really would get on my knees for it, but I guess that’s what Lindsay already did, and Charlie was just “paying her for a project”. ??
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
ugh thinking about the project makes me want to shower. At least 10 times in a row. All I want for Christmas is for the Kracken to go to jail for a year. A full year. No option for early release. Send her to one that isn’t overcrowded to teach her a lesson and to keep society safe from her driving.
the leggings line she designed had kneepads stitched in. no joke.
Wow. That is amazing.
Sadly true. The ‘kneepad’ pair was called “Mr President” and retailed for $132. Stay classy, Lindsay!
I thought she had a new lawyer??
She has Shawn Holley for her California shenanigans and a new guy in New York for her new assault case.
Like Rachel says in Friends – There’s rock bottom, then there’s 50 feet of crap, then her.
I’m sure she’ll pay him back with more than flowers and a note in the near future. Better buy yourself some knee pads, Lilo.
Are you kidding? Lilo’s closet is full of worn out knee pads in every color.
Furry pink ones, to match everyone’s favorite, “Pink Coat”!
Wow you are mean and classless. She has some serious problems. She needs help and support not nasty comment from clueless people. Get a life.
Meg: Maybe IF Lindsay ever acknowledges SHE has problems and stops blaming everyone else and actively & sincerely seeks to change her ways, I might have sympathy for her. Until then she’s not getting an ounce of support from me.
…And you call someone ‘mean’ and then tell them to get a life. Isn’t telling someone to get a life being mean???
Meg:
”I regard compassion as proper only toward those who are innocent victims, but not toward those who are morally guilty. If one feels compassion for the victims of a concentration camp, one cannot feel it for the torturers. If one does feel compassion for the torturers, it is an act of moral treason toward the victims.” Ayn Rand
(My thanks to the TMZ poster I borrowed this from)
compassion should be ‘equal opportunity.’ do not agree with that ayn rand quote AT ALL. it’s because people can not have compassion for all – that includes other species too — that there is such mean spiritness in the world.** that applies to LL too. not saying we can’t all say that these things she does are beyond but that does not mean that we can’t also show her compassion. it’s like people say ‘well she’s had her chances to make things right,’ so what… compassion applies to time 1 and then not again?? No, that then means you don’t have compassion.
(** there is also a lot of good in the world too!!)
@cat, the definition of compassion is; a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering. Lindsay has not been stricken, she has continued to follow down this road. People have tried to help her and she refuses help. Instead, she blames everyone else. I think the best term that describes Lindsay is exasperating.
This is a reply to Meg says: The only problem Lindsey thinks she has is running out of money for coke and booze, and losing her freedom to use coke and booze.
“Wow you are mean and classless. She has some serious problems. She needs help and support not nasty comment from clueless people. Get a life.”
It’s comments like these that always say one, uniform thing to me: troll. Needless to pick apart the hypocrisy of a statement accusing someone of being ‘mean and classless’ when it uses inflammatory language to make, as pointed out by the commenter herself, ‘a nasty comment.’ Oh, the pedestrian irony of it all.
What’s with the timing of this ‘revelation’ that Lindsay Lohan has hit one of her bottomless bottoms? It couldn’t possibly be more sadistic or just downright ignorant. As one commenter above pointed out, it even trumps her stupid, clueless comment about Sandy before it hit NY and demolished several communities. Who would have thought she had lower to sink? She couldn’t have waited a couple of days? It was too much to bear that the corpses of 20 innocent children took the spotlight off her?
What has she ever had to offer ‘the world’ aside from her tits? I don’t get it.
@Beatrice Sparkplug
Why do you call me a troll? I’m entitled to have my own opinion. I think that Lindsay needs help not punishment.
Hey I don’t have a dog in this fight but let the record show, Lindsay has had all the help in the world, and has ignored it all. Every time a judge admonishes her, tells her to stop partying and get serious about her life, she promptly ignores it all and then goes out partying and traveling to parties in other states and countries, partying everywhere she possibly can.
At this point I don’t wish her ill, I just think the best place for her to get some good old fashioned realization is TIME in jail, where us normal folk would instantly be placed if we were to do even a fraction of the things she repeatedly does and then gets a spin in and right back out of jail, a few hours later.
When does it all stop? How many times has she been turned right back out of a short stay in some rehab, and then taken finally to jail, only to turn right back out hours later, and go straight back to partying?
You tell me, Meg. I’d love to know your suggestions for her. Because if she continues, she will kill somebody else on the road. And that is why people are furious with her.
As for herself, she will cause her own death if she keeps it up. Because nobody else is stopping her; not the court system, not her parents, rehab has not worked, nobody.
Honestly, I think her rock bottom will be death. It’s harsh, but I just can’t see her hitting rock bottom, seeking help and truly turning her life around. It’s sad.
I watched Mean Girls the other day and it’s sad to see that fresh-faced cutie is gone.
Ita I think she will die soon too. Thats probably what that psychic wanted to talk to her about her immenent death. She was just probably trying to help or warn her.
Don’t think you need to be psychic to see Lilo’s end in sight.
I think her rock bottom is killing someone else, while cracked out driving. Yes she’ll probably die too but not before she kills someone.
I have to agree. It’s sad to see someone waste their life the way she has, especially when she had a career and opportunities that most people would love to have, but I think she’s just too far gone to recover at this point.
Full of crack, delusions and excuses this girl. Dear lord I wish she would exfoliate. Nothing wrong with self tanner if you do it properly.
Is that why her makeup looks so odd in these photos?
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Lindsey thinks she is going to be ordered a few weeks of rehab and then she will be free again to return to the same lifestyle. Unfortunately, she might be right. If I was the judge. I would send her to jail for at least 6 months and then offer two months intensive rehab or to complete the 8-month sentence.
Uh I don’t think rehab has any role in this case. She violated her probation by lying to cops and that has nothing to do with a drug or alcohol problem. She’s in serious legal trouble and I think all these recent stories are leg work to attempt to get therapy instead of jail. The judge needs to order her locked up and the gd Sheriff needs to stop releasing her, it’s the only hope she has of escaping this spiral downward.
Her eyes look so sad in the top photograph…
That means she HASNT hit rock bottom yet.
She may just be referring to running out of money only.
Well, $$$$$ = rocks to Blohan. Crack, coke, meth…so “rock bottom” could mean she’s at the bottom of her stash. 😉
She hasent ran out of money yet. I think tmz pays her for her stories. I think that how she makes her money among other things like being a hooker.
Please. She has not hit rock bottom yet. If she had, she wouldn’t be telling TMZ about it, and she would instead just quietly go get some help. We are really supposed to believe that she is capable of introspection and self-awareness?! The only rock bottom for her will be death.
Completely agree. She will never “hit rock bottom” because she will never be able to see that she is the source of her problems.
It’s a sad situation, but I can’t really feel sorry for her. I only hope that she doesn’t hurt anyone as she keeps hurtling downward.
How many times can one person hit rock bottom? Really she should have stayed with Samantha Ronson, her sugar-mama who enabled her.
Really? I never heard that SamRon was an enabler.
I dont think staying with sam ronson was an option. From what i remember ronson dumped her when the drama and shenningans got to overwhelming. All that chasing around that lindsay in the last stages of their relationship mad me think ronson was not tolerating her crap at the end. Ronson is also not wealthy enough to be considered a sugar mama. At the time they dated Lindsay would have been the higher earner.
I don’t think SamRo enabled her; I think she kept Lindsay alive and sane for a bit longer.
Remember the photos of Lindsay white-faced and passed out in a car? I thought she was on a fast-track to death at that point. Then she started dating Samantha and settled right down for a while.
I think Samantha Ronson was only ever a good influence on Lindsay, but it was a lost cause.
It’s pretty widely known that SamRo is a huge cokehead. Looks like a big enabling situation to me from what I saw.
If she is blaming this on everyone else, than there is no hope for her. End of story. That coupled with the fact that she claims not to have a drug and alcohol problem STILL, means that the only way to keep her alive at this point is to lock her away in some facility where she has no access to these. But that will never happen. And so she will die prematurely.
“Die prematurely?” What does that mean? Everyone has their own length of life and their own death date; there is no such thing as a premature death.
Ummm. “Premature death” is a very common term. It, quite literally, appears in multiple dictionaries as an example of the correct use of the word ‘premature’.
Premature deaths are deaths that happen before a person reaches an expected age, (or old age) and are considered preventable. It is a commonly used term
This may be totally unfair and off the mark, but considering what happened in Newton, Conn., listening to this whiny piece of emptiness, that had more chances than most of us because she is what, a celebrity, really is offensive.
Problem is that applies to everything. We all know that after what happened, none of our minor problems really matter. It’s too scary to turn on the tv right now and face the news, so this site offers us some much needed escapism.
thank you for that thought…and on that note. I’m done with Lindsay Lohan. done. It would be….sacreligous? for lack of a better word to lay here in bed, sleepless again because I can’t close my eyes w/out viewing those lost and diddle out yet…another…blah blah HoLo..whine…scream…bitch.
I’ve been up all night, every night since this Newton incident. Oh, and I live in Portland, OR, so we also had a delusional walk into our mall and annihilate two folks there. Good times this week…Good…sad times.
But yes, to your point. I love my CB, and I love the bashing, and will continue to do so. But LL? You are very right, ______ there’s no word for it for someone in the light of this horrific week CONTINUES to cry about herself “But…me..me…your fault..coke…I need $$$…jail!?!!!” F*CK YOU LL. F***K you. You should be ashamed of yourself.
If we could REPLACE one life lost this week by taking out YOU, we would. We WOULD. We WISH we could.
“Then shall the dust return to the earth whence it came and the spirit shall return unto God (or whoever you please) who gave it. Peace be with you, all whom death has united in this field, the last home of those departed. Peace will be with your souls (for all of Newton, Portland and those that cry for them) which have been recalled by the voice of God.”
Really. A judge needs to remember our country’s wound this week while sentencing LL and give her jail. There are souls who recklessly lost their lives this week, and there’s one bitch who has no appreciation for her life. Jail.
I live in West Linn and knew Mr. Forsyth who died at Clackamas mall. You’re right, lindsy deserves nothing from me anymore, not my pity,curiosity ,or hate… Consider me done.
JuneBug – I am truly sorry for your personal loss, and the added pain from knowing that across the nation, more loss…it must be like salt in your wound. Sometimes I think our little actions mean nothing “I’ll pray for you” people say but it’s all I have to offer and even so, I do it because I can’t let something like this just…gradually fade from my memory. I saw the pictures and Mr. Forsyth had a captivating smile and gleam in his eye. We won’t forget those lost
I don’t know that you can really put the word ‘god’ into a comment where you talk about wishing someone death in order to replace someone else’s life. Even if that life IS LiLo’s.
Agree 100% All her pain and suffering are self (and Dinah) inflicted. She’s a victim of poor parenting and latterly herself. No comparison with the tragedy in Connecticut.
Uuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvv course it is! Because it’s NEVER Blohan’s fault!
Which is, not so coincidentally, why any “help” she claims she needs (be it rehab, counseling, et al) will NEVER work. If nothing is EVER her fault or responsibility, then SHE isn’t the problem; those whom she surrounds herself are the problem. SEE?
I’ve said it too many times, but it bears repeating: she needs a MANDATORY ONE YEAR SENTENCE IN A LOCK-DOWN REHAB FACILITY, followed (or preceded) by JAIL TIME.
NO “spa rehab centres;” NO “early release” bullshit; NO “oh you’re a ‘celeb’ let me bow down and kiss your ass” treatment, PERIOD. FULL STOP.
This x400 billion!
But you know Bella even if that did happen, she’ll still return to her cracked out life – mommy dearest isn’t going to get clean/sober anytime soon & the entitlement gene is stronger than therapy – I just dont think anything is enough to ‘save’ her as there is just too much to change – pretty much her whole life, family & ”career’, she ain’t doing that & her brain is far too fried at this stage
Mommy dearest might not have a choice Ruby Red. If Crackie goes to jail the money will probably dry up.
Oh, agree, Ruby Red. I don’t think anything will “save” her either.
I just think the legal system needs to “make a point” to her, that she CAN’T just endlessly do whatever the hell she wants whenever the hell she wants and get away with it. Which, thus far, they have NOT.
Totally agree Bella, she needs serious & longterm consequences – fingers & toes crossed it’ll actually happen this time – or you may find me face down in a vat of cracktinis! 😉
Absolutely agree.
Although I’m thinking she needs a long jail stay before rehab, because she needs the humiliation of jail to bring her down a few notches, if that is even possible.
“because it’s blohans fault” pheeeew & exhales-thank-you Bella! I saw the title to this post this AM (B4 java) I thought “oh jeez what am I getting blamed for now?”
when everybody is being blamed I’m thinking well everybody. Linnocent needs to have that blame conversation with me, myself & I-though I doubt they’d listen.
CRACK-A-Doddle-Doooo!!! The cock crowed at midnight!
Translation:If I say this, it may guarantee that the judge won’t send me to jail like I know I deserve.
Exactly this. She didn’t come to this realization before faced with jail time. She always has these revelations right before sentencing. Enough of her playing the system. Counseling will not help a person who does not accept they have a problem.
There is no cure for Narcisism or a sense of entitlement so maybe she should have a lobotomy.
Here’s some reading on the disorder for anyone who isn’t familiar with it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/. It’s an acquired disorder, not congenital, but there’s isn’t much known about how it develops or what might cure it. I think there are certain childhood abuses one might endure that leads to this (especially a sense that you aren’t loved and/or that the adults aren’t really protecting you). I’m not offering excuses for her, but most people with this disorder aren’t surrounded by enablers, so they have to learn to function normally.
Surprise – NPD is no longer considered a legitimate mental condition. Read this from NY Times:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/narcissism-no-longer-a-psychiatric-disorder/
The NYT link says that it’s a controversial move to declassify NPD and not everyone agrees, though, and NIH still lists it as a disorder. It should be noted in either case that narcissism is one of the defining characteristics of borderline personality disorder: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001931/, which might be what we’re looking at here.
If she does have borderline personality disorder she really is a lost cause. I have two family members with this issue and they are absolutely impossible to deal with. Good luck trying to get them to eat a meal let alone see a therapist and get some help. These people know everything better than you do. You end up not wanting to be around them because they are so taxing and draining, they’re like energy vampires.
There are differing degrees of borderline personality disorder and to the poster above, not ALL BPD sufferers are narcissists. I have BPD and I am not impossible to deal with (ask my therapist) nor am I narcissistic – narcissism not at all part of my diagnosis.
It seems like every second day I read something that stigmatises BPD sufferers and I’m really tired of it. Recovering is hard enough without being labelled as impossible.
Lies, lies, lies
Lindsay (if she did utter these words) is only saying her life is out of control because she’s been caught out & she’s trying to appease the judge to let her off (again)
She has no intention of changing because as fas as she is concerned she is fine & has no problems – apart from the lack of money from her lack of hooking customers
There is no way up for her, she’ll just go back to mom & they’ll snort a few lines, pop a few pills & down a litre or 2 of vodka & exclaim ‘why doesnt everyone just stop picking on me’
Sad & pathetic
Well, considering she scammed her way out of Malibu Promises, Circe Lodge AND the Betty Ford Center, just what rehab place even wants her? Personally, I was astounded to hear about her activities at Betty Ford. No one I knew got away with what Lindsay got away with. So where ever she goes, it needs to be a thorough, boot-camp with counseling lock-down sort of place. But she won’t go there. She’ll chose some fluffy sugar-filled quasi rehab…and be good for 2 months, then all hell will break loose again.
Let her try Hazelton.
I think she needs a state psychiatric hospital, no allowances made for celebrity status. She needs serious treatment.
I know her behaviour is horrifying, but she still breaks my heart because her parents were so awful. She never really had a hope in hell with that upbringing, and then early fame. Completely toxic combination.
Lock her up pronto. That way she’ll dry out in jail. She so hasn’t reached rock bottom yet. She wants to escape jail. Lock her up, lock her up!!!!!!!!!
I hope Ali Lohan writes a tell all.
She has no idea how obvious her shenanigans are. She has no idea people are rolling her eyes after seeing this belated thank you because she’s so transparent. It’s unbelievable that someone can be so blind.
She only thanked Charlie because she hopes to hit the “Charlie Bank” again.
She told the Judge that she wasn’t seeking counseling because “she couldn’t AFFORD it” way back when the Judge told her to focus on acting and seek counseling. Lindsay can afford botox, fillers, veneers, lip injections, drugs, booze and expensive plane tickets to to out and party with some dude.
No lessons learned yet.. I highly doubt that she has “realized her mistakes”….she’s crying because she’s scared and remorseful that she’s in trouble.
” It’s probably not coincidental that counseling is now the only possible way she can avoid jail for the new crimes and probation violation.” 😀 See?
Good point. Remember she jetted off to Hawaii after she received her Playboy money and her 5k Chanel purse was “stolen” and someone made off with 10k she had in that purse? That should be Exhibit “A”.
* I just reread what I wrote and it sounds like a plot for a craptastic movie. Such is her life.
Charlie’s actual words were,’ she was shorted on a project…’ That’s hollywood speak for she wasn’t paid in full for a project.
My guess is he listened to her usual tale of woe (and possibly more) and wrote a cheque to make up for the shortfall that those mean horrible hollywood types refused to pay Lindsay!!!
How illmannered and whacked out is this girl that Charlie Sheen CHARLIE SHEEN!!!!! Has to shame her into sending a thank you not and looks better whilst doing it.
As for her drug problems, this girl needs the RDJ treatment. If that doesn’t straighten her out, nothing will.
If she’s still denying substance abuse problems and blaming her shitty choices on everyone else, then she has NOT yet hit rock bottom.
She didn’t take the judge’s advice. She’s been out at clubs every damn night. Lindz needs to only go out during daytime hours, and be photographed doing things like hiking, going to the gym, and going to Starbucks. Lol She pretty much needs to close up shop by 8pm every night, but she cannot. Girlfriend can’t stay out of the clubs, and can’t be in bed by 10.
I’m not gonna put Lilo on celebrity deathwatch, though. I think she’ll be like Courtney Love and Keith Richards and last forever. Lol
“but she’s blaming it on others, saying she has again hooked up with a bad group of people and had run-ins with ‘opportunists’ who have tried to provoke her.”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! She is such a relentless idiot.
Hey, Cracken – WHY in SUCH a panic about jail (i’m calling it ‘the pokey’)..? Stop projecting negativity! Think positive and pray for peace.
yup I can just imagine “LILO McMurphy” in a lock down mental facility-we know she will organize a bus trip for the gang for some “fun” therapy.
She is nothing but a common criminal, period! Lock her up, before an innocent person(s) gets killed. She has lost her liberties, by believing she is entitled.
She should lose her freedom for her criminal behavior not for her sense of entitlement. That is just a bonus of her personality.
Lock her up, period!
Not McMurphy–she is more the Angelina Jolie character from Girl, Interrupted. A sociopath with violent tendencies who can be, at times, wildly charismatic and thus, extremely dangerous. She is the instigator, the one who pushes everyone else’s buttons and causes them to self-destruct while she feeds on the chaos. She is a horrible, incurable menace to any society she is in.
Except for the wildly charismatic part.
LiLo definitely showed us that there’s a basement under the rock bottom of the rock bottom, the latter dug a hole for the former to make way for her to keep falling lower and lower…
The world has so many more important issues going on than this little greedy, self induldgent, selfish, self absorbed, drug addicted, pisser of a human being. She has become the poster child for everything that is wrong with this nation. Always me, me, me, me, me, me. I didn’t do it. I am not resposible for my own actions. I need yet another opportunity to continue the same. After this weeks sad, sad news from Connecticut we need to change and change fast. Lindsay Lohan should not be on our list of concern. Let that up to her parents, family, law officials and rehab doc.
She’s just trying to stay out of jail,and avoid punishment. She only ever has these moments of realization when push comes to shove. Same like any kid and that’s where she is, developmentally. She never does anything when it’s simply the right thing to do. She only sent Charlie – of all people – a note when he called her out on it. Lindsey is what happens when you are not brought up right, when you’re pandered to and indulged all the time, and worse, during her formative years, and when you never ever face the consequences of your actions. She doesn’t seem to have any idea of how to behave like a normal adult. She doesn’t even seem to know how to live normally. I mean, does she know how to do laundry, keep her home clean, pay her bills, keep a simple job. She doesn’t seem to know how to do the simplest, most basic of normal life functions. Jail would be the best thing for her. It’s simple, stark, and non-negotiable. That’s the kind of structure she needs. Anything complicated, she doesn’t seem to know how to handle. In my opinion, she’s the mental and intellectual and emotional age of a poorly brought up 10-year old. She behaves exactly like one. All instant gratification, avoiding responsibility, no ability to knuckle down and get work done.
@d,I totally agree with everything you stated. I worked with young people (18-22) and I would say 80% acted the way you put it, 10 year olds. All they wanted to do was talk on the cell phones, text, go outside for smokes, come in with hang overs, etc. Long story short—I quit. Couldn’t take the cussing, disrespect to everyone, lateness, sloppy dress and disregard for working. Our society seems to accept this. I know I will take alot of flack for this but until parents start correcting children when they are small, throw techanical babysitters out the window, stop spoiling them and this is the big one— put God and the Bible back in our schools we will continue down this path. I have worked in our prison system and they beg ministers to come in with Bibles and council prisoners. This is like trying to put the horse back in the barn when the door is starting to close. Teach morals, kindness and love when they are young.
I completely agree with you Logan.
Yes, I’ve been in a high school environment lately and cannot believe behaviours that I’m witnessing in the classrooms. Yes, we had kids act up when I was in high school, but not the flagrant disregard, lack of care, and dare I say, even knowledge of basic human courtesy. And so intellectually lazy. It blows my mind, every single time I sit in a classroom and watch the kids behave. Texting, getting up and walking out in the middle of class, earphones, interrupting, not paying attention, and NOT EVER DOING THE WORK. And yet they get upset when they get a bad mark.
The instructors, instead of teaching the concepts, spend a great deal of their time trying to get across ideas that should have been taught in parenting (i.e., personal accountability, how to behave, how to listen, etc., etc.). Plus, they spend so much time reteaching basic concepts that the students who have been doing the work don’t get time when they need help for the more complex concepts because by then the class is over and they have to run to the next class.
Religion, bible, moral instruction. That’s a can of worms. But conceptually, I agree. When i was in highschool, we had religious instruction, in that the Catholics were grouped into one class for Catholic instruction, while the rest of us Protestants and whatever other religions got Moral Religious Instruction, which was basically ethics. We got the whole gamut of religions taught to us and were guided on how to have a personal relationship with God (i.e., that it was up to us individually to figure it out, but we given the tools and informations and guidance on how to get there). It worked out pretty well.
The stuff I see kids do in class now would have meant instant detention, a visit to the principal’s office, note to the parents, and a discussion with parents on parent-teacher night. The fear of being labelled a loser if you failed a class was strong and kept a lot of kids in line. No one wanted to be THAT kid that couldn’t make it through class.
Some of us are Atheists who teach strong morals without the threat of a lake of a fire. Be good for the sake of being good. Be kind to one another, be humble, be thankful.
Agree, UghInsomnia. I am not an atheist but raised my three children in a non-religious way. I did, however, raise them to be ethical people who know right from wrong and choose to do the right thing not out of fear of some eternal punishment but because they want to be decent people right here and right now. 2/3 of my kids are vegetarians (I am too and raised them that way) and one is vegan. All are involved in charity and political work for the less fortunate and marginalized. Lindsay doesn’t need Christ; all she needs is a conscience. If Christ gets her there, then so be it…but there are other ways to arrive.
logan, God and the Bible already have a place. It’s called a church. I have friends who are really good people. Some are Buddist, some are atheists and so forth. God and the Bible do not guarantee good behavior. If it did we would not have the Westboro Baptist Church, Jimmy Swaggart or Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. There are many paths to ethical behavior. It starts with caring about other people.
I agree with you about how a lot of kids act today, but disagree about God and the Bible back into schools – public schools anyway. There are plenty of religious schools for those who want that in their kids’ education, but for public schools, it needs to stay neutral ground. Not everyone is a person of faith, and not all people of faith believe in the same thing. And really, kids’ need to be taught respect and morals at home, not in school – school is for reading, science, math, etc.
There are a lot of good kids out there though too. I saw so many high school kids volunteering after the hurricane hit here, and it was not fun work, I can assure you.
There’s a saying: ‘you don’t need religion to have morals. If you can’t determine right from wrong you lack empathy, not religion.’
Some of the best people I know have never been inside a church, a lot of the worst live in one.
I’m 44 and grew up in the South. Exactly when were God and the Bible ever a mainstay of public education? I find this whole line of thought to be entirely strange and honestly can’t figure out what these advocates are talking about.
By the by, my mother and her three siblings went to a famously rabid God and Bible school from elementary through college. Two nervous breakdowns, one atheist and one who just refuses to talk about the experience.
Right – “put God and Bibles back in schools,” because no one religious has ever done anything horrible, and nothing terrible has ever happened in, say, a church. What ridiculous, simplistic nonsense.
(Mich, Protestant religious teachings and school-led prayers were the norm in public ed prior to the US Supreme Court shoring up church-state separation in the ’50s and ’60s.)
“She doesn’t seem to know how to do the simplest, most basic of normal life functions. ”
I was the same when I finally escaped with my life barely intact. I had to teach myself everything, starting with manners, how to do laundry, maintain a bank account, buy clothing, you name it.
Great output from all!! Seems we can all agree that having productive, moral, happy, loving children starts in the home. I don’t think this is something the Lohan children received.
Well if she’s still denying her addictions and blaming others for her downfall, then I’d say she hasn’t really hit rock bottom. She’s just trying to find a way to get out from under all the sh*t she’s gotten herself into.
I agree with you. Lindsey’s major concern at the moment is where is going to get the money to further her self-destructing lifestyle. Only when she is good and ready to get help will she seek it.
Yes, when Lindsay says she needs “help” she actually means “give me money, shut up and get out of my way”.
She needs a mental health facility. The drugs probably made her mental health worse . But nevertheless, still think she’s a awful person
You know what’s deliciously and ironically hilarious? Lilo supported Mitt “47%” Romney on the basis of paying less taxes as someone earning over a quarter million per year. And it turns out that she was actually paying no taxes at all. So she and other drains like Stephen Baldwin turned out to be members of Mitt’s 47% that are draining the f**king economy and propelling us off the damn cliff!!!
I never base my choices on celebrity endorsements. Many of them never even finished high school and live in a HW bubble, what do they know about politics or taxes or anything real? Actors spend their entire lives engaging in fantasy, really there are other better informed people to turn to when making choices. Thanks anyway LiLo.
I wonder what her life/career would be like if her parents were not in the middle of it? and her parents should be ashamed of the way that they use her, Dina and Michael total fame whores, the girl didn’t stand a chance
Lilo its not “people” that sabotaged you its your family
My eyes! My eyes!
So many really good comments here. Wish there were “thumbs up” buttons!
Lindsay hasn’t hit rock bottom since people are still talking about her. For her, rock bottom would be no appearances, no gossip, nobody cares.
Charlie Sheen of all people should know you don’t give cash to an addict. Pay the rent, give her food, pay off her mother, but don’t give her cash!
Lindsay has a death wish because she wants to be identified with Marilyn Monroe. Dying young is part of her “plan.”
Can’t see rehab OR mental hospital helping – she is too manipulative. Jail is jail.
Seems like its time for a media blackout on Lohan until she drinks/snorts herself into an early grave. I’m ready for her to go the way of Paris Hilton.
Gotta love her timing. As soon as her parole was revoked she suddenly had an epiphany that her life is out of control lol! This chicks a hoot!
I really hope the CA judicial system actually does their job this time. If they let her get off with “counseling” it will be blood on their hands when (not if) something tragic happens. SMH
Phone broke and she “lost all her contacts.” The same way she “lost her passport in Cannes?” Please, b!tch.
That she doesn’t accept responsibility for her problems, is the reason why she probably will not be able to recover and will instead end up another Hollyweird OD statistic. I can’t even muster up any sympathy for her. She just doesn’t care about anyone or anything except herself. Which I guess fits right in with her narcissism.
As in crack rock bottom? No, she hasn’t hit that yet~but soon.
She will never get better until she stops making excuses, even the ones tht seem remotely justified, and also, if she continues fueling her one track free fall to failure with drugs and alcohol.
The problem is that because she is sick, she cannot see this. You cannot cure a problem with the same mind that created it. And there are enough people (vultures) around her that, are like parasites, somehow keep the beast alive so they can profit off of it.
If it were me, i’d put her in a straight-jacket and force her to watch her early Disney stuff and show her the last time she was actually talented and relevant, and then, like the Ghost of Christmases Past in Charles Dickens’ “A Christmas Carol,” show her what she could have become. But maybe that last bit would be hard, because i’m not exactly sure she could ever come back…i’m in France so can’t see “Liz and Dick,” has anyone seen it yet?
Yeah we saw it and the critics savaged it. Her performance was not great and many of her scenes were very short, just a few sentences and cut to the next scene. She made no effort to emulate Liz Taylor, her makeup and costuming were the main “Liz” effect. The guy playing Burton did well though and somewhat redeemed it, but it’s not good tv.
Lindsay Lohan is a example of what happens when you let your children rule you instead of you ruling the household….She was put up on that pedestal when she was very young , spoiled and pampered and given what every she wanted when she wanted and never heard the word NO….what you have now is the result…..Children need guidance and correction and restrictions when they are small ….or the quickly turn into small demanding monsters….,who turn into mean little girls who in turn become the Lindsay Lohans of the world…..
Lindsay Lohan is a prime example of that lesson…. Lindsay has been the boss of that family since she was 4……the whole Lohan family and world revolved around her every want and need….it still does…..Her brothers and sisters never stood a change to grow….they are too busy taking care of Lindsay….and still are….
Yes Dina and Micheal created that monster…..but that monster has been calling the shots a looooong time ….so don’t blame them for it all….they feed off of her not the other way around….
Now their monster will destroy them …and herself…unless she is put in prison and taught that she is NOT queen of the world…..but I fear its just to late….
I went to public schools. K-12. We had to say the Lord’s Prayer every morning. In High School a student read a bible verse over the P.A. system each morning, right before Announcements.
I don’t think any of this contributed to the “good” or “bad” behavior of the students. I think kids learn their values in the home.
I think all this “put God and the Bible back into the schools and everything will be fine” is just simplistic, wishful thinking on the part of those who propose it. I sincerely hope those who believe in God and the Bible are successful in raising their children to be honest, upright adult citizens.
Fortunately, I was able to do just that with my own two children – without any formalized religion involved. And they are both doing a fine job with their own children in terms of morals and ethics. Again, without formalized religion.
As for Lindsey – yeah, way too much attention being paid to a has-been. A young has been, but after the “Liz & Dick” fiasco, definitely a has-been.
It is sad when you see this, but there have been plenty of other “child stars” who failed to sustain what looked to be a promising early career. Too much partying, too much alcohol, too many drugs too early – who knows why?
But whatever happened to Lindsay, it has happened. It would be good to see her get herself straightened out. But I think her career, such as it was, is over.