Robin Thicke says Miley’s twerkathon at the VMAs is ‘all on her’: did he sell her out?

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Oprah Winfrey’s interview with Robin Thicke airs this Sunday on OWN. This is not surprising – I think Oprah is really close to Paula Patton, so it makes sense that Paula’s husband would agree to an in-depth, sit-down interview with Oprah even though Oprah might be slightly off-demo for him. And when you sit down with Oprah, she is going to ask you awkward questions. She might not be a world-class interviewer or anything, but you do have to give Oprah some credit for asking the question. So what’s the question everyone wants to ask Robin Thicke? “What’s up with your marriage, dude?” Nope. Apparently, the question is “What’s the deal with Miley Cyrus and how did you feel about the VMAs?”

When it comes to twerking, Robin Thicke maintains his innocence.

“That’s all on her,” Thicke, 36, says, referring to Miley Cyrus, 20, and their buzzed-about MTV Video Music Awards performance of his song “Blurred Lines.”

“People ask me, ‘Do you twerk?’ I’m like, ‘Listen, I’m the twerkee. I’m twerked upon,” he explains on Sunday’s episode of Oprah’s Next Chapter (9 p.m. on OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network). “I don’t twerk myself, okay? I’m just twerked upon.’ ”

Calling all of the post-performance hype “funny” and “silly,” Thicke explains, “I was on stage. I didn’t see it. So to me, I’m walking out towards Miley [and] I’m not thinking sex. I’m thinking fun, you know? I mean her and I don’t have that kind of – You have to remember, I’m singing my butt off. I’m sitting there. I’m looking up at the sky, and I’m not really paying attention to all that.”

Cyrus has spoken at length about the risqué routine that involved a foam finger, lots of gyrating and very little clothing.

“Me and Robin the whole time said, ‘You know we’re about to make history right now,’ ” Cyrus, said after the performance. “What’s amazing is, I think, now, we’re three days later and people are still talking about it. They’re overthinking it. You’re thinking about it more than I thought about it when I did it. Like, I didn’t even think about it, ’cause that’s just me.”

[From People]

LaineyGossip says Robin sold out Miley and that this is the typical male-versus-female double-standard, comparing it to Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl. While I still think Justin got away with something that he should have co-owned with Janet (50/50 split), I kind of think this Miley and Robin thing is different? Immediately following the VMA debacle, Robin (and his wife Paula) were overwhelming gracious to Miley. And seriously, go back and watch what happened – Miley was out there alone, twerking and tonguing and whatever else for several minutes before Robin came out. And Robin’s body language the whole time he was on stage was “Um, this is kind of uncomfortable.” So… I do think that Robin probably should own more of the performance BUT it mostly was ON MILEY.

Here’s another way to think about it – what if the roles were reversed? What if Robin was the one twerking and acting like an idiot and then Miley came out to do sing her song and Robin wouldn’t stop pressing his junk against her and using a foam finger to molest himself? Then it would be “that guy’s a pervert, get him away from innocent Hannah Montana!”

Not that it matters, though. Miley’s still making stupid money.

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  1. lucy says:

    Anyone with ears and an understanding of the time-space continuum knows that Blurred Lines directly ripped off Marvin Gaye- Got To Give It Up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp7Q1OAzITM

    • Sloane Wyatt says:

      ITA, lucy.

      Robin Thicke is a thick witted, unoriginal, equivocating dick.

    • Kim1 says:

      They sound similar but Pharrell didn’t sample Got to Give it Up but he was definitely influenced by it.Quincy Jones,John Legend,Stevie Wonder…have all said Gaye estate can’t prove copyright infringement .

      • Kim says:

        He sampled it 100%. It doesnt just sound like it – it is it. Its not a similar sound -its the exact same musical chords to a T. That said many singers these days do that and if he had the copyright or ok by the artist to do it then I have no problem with it. If he didnt and is trying to claim he didnt rip it off he is lying.

      • Alexis says:

        I don’t even like Robin Thicke. I think he’s pretty nasty. But it’s not a sample. It is not even the same chord pattern. My musician friend was like…in one the chords are major and the other they’re minor. It’s influence and nothing more. You don’t get paid for influence. Otherwise MJ’s estate and Mariah Carey would get paid for every single pop song that comes out, RUN DMC would get paid for every rap song, and so on. If they had a good case, the Gaye estate would go to court. They haven’t. They are going for public opinion to maximize the value of their settlement.

      • ncmagnolia says:

        ITA. As a life long Marvin Gaye fan, I’ve listened to Give It Up since I was, like, 10. No similarities between Gaye’s song & Blurred Lines other than maybe a catchy beat line.

        I also think RT’s a douche bag, but not for the reasons of plagiarizing Marvin Gaye’s song…he’s not throwing Miley under the proverbial bus. I think he has a massive ego and an over-inflated sense of his musical “worth” and his contribution to the award winning artists who preceded him. But while he’s a big boy and can defend himself, he threw little miss full-of-herself Miley under NO buses. She came out and free-styled (or WHATEVER the EFF that performance was) and Robin was lost w/out a clue and just trying to keep up with her going rogue at the VMA’s.

        So, while there’s a lot to criticize about RT, selling out Miley isn’t one of them. She’s a cheap liitle trick who goes off the reservation whenever it pleases her and suits her “PR” campaign. End of story.

    • V4Real says:

      Lucy that is old news and it was discussed on yesterdays post as well. It’s only being mention now because Gaye’s family is trying to sue. Months ago when the song was released none of us on C/B picked up on it sounding like Give it up. It’s too late to call foul now. A lot of songs sound similar. As I mentioned before Madonna accused Gaga of ripping off Express Yourself with Born This Way. Vanilla Ice was accused by Bowie of ripping off Under Pressure, the list goes on. Also as Kim1 said it’s a Pharrell influence beat that may sound similar but not exact. Why do you think most cases like this are defeated in court.

      • Adrien says:

        V4real, you have to give credit for sampling. AFAIK, Bowie and Queen were paid for the Under Pressure sampling of Ice, Ice Baby and were also given songwriting credits. Vanilla Ice defense was he changed a note or two.

      • V4Real says:

        Adrien all I was saying was that a lot of songs sound similar. Of course I know you have to pay someone for straight out sampling their songs (the King of Sample P. Diddy comes to mind). I was just pointing out that there are a lot of songs out there that sounds similar but the artist can change or add a couple of notes to keep it from being exact. Listen to the beat in Ne-Yo’s song One in a million and tell me it’s not reminiscence of Truth Hurt’s song Addictive. I was also just saying how difficult these cases are to prove in court.

      • lucy says:

        Kim1 and V4Real et al: “not sampling” does not mean “original” or “not plagiarism”. The Vanilla Ice/Bowie/Queen case “never went to trial, although rumor has it that the copyright holders of Under Pressure threatened suit and settled with Vanilla out of court for an undisclosed sum.”

        As for V4Real’s remark about my presenting the Marvin Gaye song link being “old news”: having been discussed yesterday on CB does not in any way make the fact that the purveyors of Blurred Lines are profiting on Marvin Gaye’s 36 year old original work irrelevant.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherzfeld/2013/08/20/the-blurred-lines-of-copyright-law-robin-thicke-v-marvin-gayes-estate/

        In an interview with TMZ, Gaye’s son, Marvin Gaye III said, “We’re not happy with the way that he went about doing business let alone suing us for something where he clearly got his inspiration from at the least.”

        During an interview with GQ magazine in May about his career and the making of “Blurred Lines,” Thicke said, “one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye’s ‘Got to Give It Up.’ I was like, ‘Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.’

        http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/robin-thicke-sues-protect-blurred-607492

        No, Marvin Gaye did not invent music, nor disco, nor soul, nor funk. We are not talking genres here. But he wrote THIS song, which had not existed before in any way shape or form. And the fact that many of us who have heard Blurred Lines in the past month or so for the first time have immediately and without hesitation known we had heard 95% of that song before decades ago and were able to pinpoint the source, and that Thicke, Williams, and Harris PREEMPTIVELY (aggressively) sued the source of their acknowledged inspiration, is reprehensible on the part of the purveyors of Blurred Lines. Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery but there is no respect in calculatedly copying another artist’s work and punishing them for noticing.

      • V4Real says:

        I mean no harm Lucy. I was just pointing out that what you said was nothing we haven’t already heard. Just like the links you posted; I am fully aware of those interviews. I even heard the Howard Stern interview. My main response was that only now posters are comparing the song to Give it Up months after it’s release and that’s due to the recent law suit. I read a lot of comments on Thicke’s song but I didn’t recall anyone on C/B comparing it to Gaye’s song until now. I understand that you said you notice the similar sounds awhile ago but did you ever discuss that on C/B before now?

        BTW even though a song might sound similar as I said before all it takes are a few changes to the melody or notes to make it a completely different song. Take a listen to Mariah Carey’s song Emotion and then listen to the group by the name of Emotion. Tell me Mariah’s song doesn’t sound similar to The Best of My Love. It still doesn’t change my comment about it being a difficult case to prove in court.

    • Duchess of Corolla says:

      Yes. Couldn’t agree with you more!

    • Merritt says:

      The main difference being that “Got to Give it up” is a good song. “Blurred Lines” is just creepy. One is a classic and the other is just blah.

  2. Val says:

    Miley is laughing all the way to the bank. I doubt she gives a damm about any of this nonsense.

  3. Square Bologna says:

    The ick just oozes off this guy. Blech.

  4. blue marie says:

    Lainey annoys me. You can’t really compare the 2 (in my mind anyway) because the Superbowl was watched by way more people than the VMA’s.. Now having said that, I think Robin should have kept his mouth shut because he’ll catch way more flack for this than being a “twerkee”

    • Thinker says:

      I agree. The uproar following the Super Bowl and the flack that Janet Jackson caught over a little nip slip do not compare to Miley’s twerking. Justin and Janet planned that performance, Justin sang “gonna have you naked by the end of this song” then tore off Janet’s top. It was a planned “shock” moment. Justin proceeded to abdicate any responsibility (even basic gentlemanly chivalry in defense of Janet as an artist) and blamed everything on Janet, claiming he had no idea that when he ripped her top off, her tit would pop out.
      (I mean, come on! Really? What happens when you rip someone’s shirt off?)

      Its not even clear how much of Robin and Miley’s performance was planned. Miley tore off her furry swimsuit and exposed herself. Comparatively, Justin exposed Janet. Miley has followed her twerking with increasingly graphic nudity. Somehow Miley’s career is thriving. Janet’s career stalled and sputtered out following nipple gate.

      Maybe the more apt article Lainey could have written is the different way society treats youthful nudity versus an older woman’s nudity. Part of the scandal of Janet/Justin was the fact Janet was older and “should have known better.” Whereas people (including Lainey) are quick to write off Miley’s actions as youthful indiscretions.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      I agree, I totally disagree with Lainey on this. You can’t back it up on a guy and then blame him for it!

      I don’t think that Robin is a great guy, but I think Miley did her own thing and deserves the scorn/praise for whatever that was.

  5. Dawn says:

    Yes he sold her out because he is a slimeball. What a creep.

  6. claire says:

    I don’t understand the criticism. Her actions, her behavior, her plans. Why is he being asked to own those?

  7. Sharon says:

    That performance always reminds me of an awkward teenage school dance where the teen girls, desperate and starved for attention, bend over and stick their wiggling butts into their awkward, pre-pubescent male dancing partners who, in turn, know they are supposed to be doing something like moving their hips into the girls’ bouncing bottoms, stimulating a sex act but they just look horribly stiff and awkward because they are not supposed to be doing that in public and all the girl wants is attention! Want me! Think I’m sexy! But they are just little girls who don’t understand how deeply wrong it is what they are doing or maybe they do and don’t care. Anyway, everything about it makes you want to cringe and turn away. And smack a little sense into that girl.

    • Sharon says:

      And that may be a little slut-shaming by me but, little girls – don’t act like sluts and we won’t shame you. Simple.

      • mj says:

        Wow, disagree. Little girls can’t act like sluts.

      • Leila in Wunderland says:

        Your initial comment wasn’t slut-shaming. This part, on the other hand, is problematic:

        “Don’t act like sluts and we won’t shame you. Simple.”

        Replace the word ‘slut’ with something like ‘homosexual,’ ‘transgender person’, or something else, and do you see the problem with what you just said?

        It is not up to females to make sure that we aren’t the victims of slut-shaming by abstaining from certain dance moves, just as it isn’t up to a lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender person to make sure that we aren’t a victim of homophobic or transphobic comments by watching how we dress or who we kiss in public. It’s up to everyone within society to change the bigoted behavior.

      • Sloane Wyatt says:

        Sharon,

        Do you realize you believe little girls can act like ‘sluts’?

        For years we’ve seen adult sexuality being inappropriately and aggressively foisted on innocent young children, but children today are being sexualized at younger and younger ages. Little girls have no idea what they are aping, so I encourage you to change your mind about blaming girls for what our mainstream culture is teaching them.

        http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/09/07/ptc-slams-toddlers-tiaras-for-pretty-woman-costume/

        Sharon, do you call a toddler who’s innocently ‘shoplifted’ a candy bar in the check out line a thief? Small children are not sluts or pimps, or responsible and culpable; it’s the adults who are feeding them garbage without any context for exploring sexuality in a healthy, sex positive way and without any sense of agency.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        Whoa. Sharon, I’m sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you are way out of line. You are perpetuating the slut/stud dichotomy by taking these girls dancing and using that as an excuse to “slut shame” while depicting the boys as bumbling fools. This is a 2-party system, and the cultural approach of blaming little girls is so damn tired…
        You know what? I just can’t. I can’t with your post. There are several great articles on HuffPo, some on Jez, and even a few on Finally Feminism that will articulate all the problems with your comment in a cleaner and less angry fashion. Go read about the damage you are doing when you “slut-shame.” I hope it helps.

        Thank God (literally, I thank God in my prayers) that I have a son, despite all the challengees in rasing a boy. I would have to quit my job and find a full-time gig at a feminist site if I had to defend my daughter every day from women who are determined to tear other women down, and to draw a line between “good” and “bad.” No wonder we still make $.77 on the dollar. We’re too busy fighting each other.

        ETA: I started this comment over an hour ago and had to come back a time or two. Glad to see someone else did a better job than I did explaining what you did there.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        Guys, I agree with all of you about the slut-shaming. I think the use of the term “little girls” is clouding the issue here, because Miley is an adult, of course (who should also not be slut-shamed), even if she is co-opting childhood symbols (another topic for discussion).

        Edited: I see you are talking about the teenagers, not Miley. Sorry. The teens definitely should not be slut-shamed, but I agree with Sharon’s comment that they may be unaware of what appropriate behavior may be in certain public situations. Not being a prude, just remembering some of my teenage dirty-dancing years. Sometimes teens really don’t know what social boundaries are. Should we have been shamed for it? No, but some kind adult guidance given in a sensitive way might have helped.

      • bluhare says:

        Wow. I think you guys are taking Sharon WAY too seriously. I didn’t read her comment as literally meaning little girls at all.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        There are huge problems with slut shaming kids, teens, while encouraging feminine behaviors at a younger and younger age, and creating a divide between good (not sluts) and bad (sluts). This carries over into the Miley Cyrus situation because Miley was required to be “good” (Hannah) to be a role model, and now, because we have created the two sides of the coin, she feels she has to be “bad” to escape Hannah.
        If she hadn’t been placed in the mold, she would have no reason to break it. That’s what we do when we foist adult behaviors on children. That’s what we do when we talk about sluts. We put everyone in a category-slut or not a slut, and we make up arbitrary rules that could tie into the way you dress, flirt, look, dance, or even wear your damn eyeliner, and use those rules to define what a slut is. We then take that word, SLUT, and use it to harm, hurt, and shame young women when they try to figure out who they are. The “Good” look at the “Bad” and feel better about themselves. “Well, at least I’m not a slut.” The “Bad” look at the “Good” and think, “Well, I’m already ruined, why bother having self-esteem or trying to better myself?”

        I had sex with multiple men before I met MrBuckeye. Some might call me a slut. Some might be horrified that I can consider myself a (liberal, inclusionist) Christian and freely admit that I had sex outside of marriage. I do not care. I am educated, I am highly successful, I am an excellent mother and wife, and I am damn SICK of the word slut being used as a cheap way to insult someone. It’s not even creative. It’s just the easiest way to say, “You’re nothing, and I’m better than you.”

        NO WOMAN DESERVES TO BE TOLD SHE IS LESS THAN SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE SHE HAD SEX, GOT PREGNANT OUTSIDE OF WEDLOCK, WORE RED LIPSTICK, SHOWED HER CLEAVAGE, OR TWERKED ON STAGE AT THE VMAS.

      • Emily C. says:

        @PrettyTarheelFan — I love your comment and would like to cuddle it and call it George.

        I just can’t believe we’re still stuck here. I swear, we have gone backwards since I was a teenager. Every day, women are hated more and more in this country, shamed more and more. We can do nothing right. Don’t show “enough” skin, you’re a prude, show “too much”, you’re a slut. And we are solely defined by our sexuality and nothing else. It’s sickening.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        @ Emily C.: Tell me about it! I ended up writing a whole post today on Jez after this discussion. It’s exhausting because you can’t just defend someone by saying, “No, she’s not a slut,” you have to explain that slut is not an appropriate insult, and that slut is an arbitrary determination by the individual viewer, and the destruction that we as women are doing to ourselves and each other when we use slut. It’s just time to retire that word.

      • Rosalind says:

        I have 2 teenage daughters. There are certain words I will not allowed to be said at home, and one of them is “slut.” When the girls and their friends start gossiping and start the “she’s such a this, or she’s such a that” I will stop them every single time. I believe that young women should never be labeled sluts. Ever. If they are acting out in ways that cause other kids and parents to label them as such I truly believe there is an underlying problem, an issue, just something else going on. Media influence, family problems, I won’t get into the ugly laundry list of possible reasons. To me, they are children. And for other children that throw ugly terms around all the time I somewhat understand because that’s the way a lot of kids are socialized. When parents or adults do it it’s disgusting. And before I get called on it, I don’t believe anyone, child or adult should be slut-shamed. I have commented before on Miley’s posts. Not because I’m slut-shaming her but because I think she’s a egotistical try-hard. Sorry for the rant, but this strikes close to my heart. I especially detest the label of slut thrown at pre-teens and teenage girls. So Sharon, if I could say something extremely impolite to you right now I would. I’ll just end with you’re ignorant.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        @Rosalind:
        It sounds like you are doing a great job with your girls-so good to hear a mom who is encouraging her children to think beyond the easy interpretation of everything. It’s fine to consider Miley an arrogant blow-hard, or criticize her costuming, or her narcissism, or her voice, or even her appropriation of other cultures (if applicable.) It’s just so lazy to call her a slut-it’s like our fall-back insult these days.

        My three nieces (16, 17, 19) were in the car with me a few months ago, and one of them called her ex’s new g/f a slut. We had a long conversation about why she thought she was a slut, and what else we could say that didn’t attack her on a base level. It’s interesting to see how they have been conditioned to immediately go to slut, and very few people are talking to their kids about WHY that’s not an OK word. People treat it like a dirty word, like asshole, but there are a lot of social implications behind it.

    • sashavice says:

      Oh God, this is spot on, and I don’t find it to be slut-shaming. I remember back in 8th grade we had some sort of field trip and they were playing the “Thong Song” and I just sat there watching all of these 14 year old’s bent over and wiggling on skinny little boys awkward half chubs…so awkward, and I’m no prude but it was weird to be doing at a school function. I remember the elderly bus driver came in to watch the dance, and just shook his head at the display and left.

      • Sloane Wyatt says:

        In an ideal world, parents would just deal with sexuality gradually as a child ages, but this world is far from that. Can you imagine if the school took this “Thong Song” twerk off incident and teamed up with parents to make it a teachable ‘moment’? Together, they could institute a sex positive, sex education class, and it could look something like this:
        http://www.scarleteen.com/article/politics/what_is_feminist_sex_education

        At the very least, schools, working together with parents, should be teaching BOTH boys and girls in Sociology the pervasive commodification of women’s bodies.

        By commodification of women’s bodies, I mean that women are frequently presented as a product for male pleasure and consumption. Children could be taught how the media markets a visual association between some commercial product, often alcohol, and the female form. The female and the product become equivalent and interchangeable, and both are promoted as a pleasure object. Females are presented as a thing, a commodity, and in doing so their humanity and subjectivity is denied. Their role is to cater to others’ needs and desires, and males are persuaded to think of females as their pleasure providers.

        Saying that kids can see anything they want on the internet is an excuse to do nothing and claim we are powerless to teach them healthy sexuality. Then, to top it off and blame 14 yo girls for being ‘sluts’, that’s mind-bogglingly twisted. It’s a crying shame that we stand aside and let our corporate masters raise our children without a fight.

    • Sharon says:

      *Sigh* clearly I wasn’t talking about actual little girls. That’s ridiculous. Teenage girls know just what they are doing … Little girls do not. If you have ever chaperoned a middle school or high school dance (especially in the last decade) like I have, you will know exactly what I’m talking about. This is what Miley’s performance reminded me of – and guess who’s getting all the shade? The girl who was grinding her butt into the guy and begging for attention… So does the teenage girl who is literally bent over wiggling her butt into her male dance partner’s crotch someone who is going to be taken seriously or someone who should be ashamed for acting like that in public in a public place? Do you take Miley seriously? Or do you consider her actions shameful?

      • Emily C. says:

        I do not take any pop star seriously. I do not consider Miley’s actions shameful.

        I consider Robin Thicke completely shameful in every way.

      • Rosalind says:

        Sharon, a teenage girl is really not fully developed mentally. Actually, there is a reason teenagers aren’t considered adults until they turn 18. It takes a lot of time and a lot of experience to understand the consequences of your actions sometimes. Just a quick question for you. Do you have teenage daughters? Any real experience knowing them, teaching them? Are you an Auntie, a Mom? A Grandma? Please don’t tell me you’re a teacher. Just not a total a**hole? You do realize that they are not adults??? And yes, I will throw the a**hole word around if deemed appropriate. Teenage girls are still in many ways very vulnerable and impressionable children. Can you shut up now?

      • Rosalind says:

        Wow, rant continued, teenage girls do not know “just what they are doing.” They need constant guidance, education, love, among other things. To become non-judgemental adults that rail at children for being sluts. Ok, whew, I’m done now.

      • Seen says:

        Rosalind : wow. Shut up now? No place for comments or opinions differing from your own …on a gossip website? Dial it down a bit. I’m a mom. Grandma. And an auntie. And not every teenage girl is innocent … What is a slut, by definition? At what point or age do you hold them accountable? If they act inappropriately well beyond their teens will you give them a pass BC they didn’t have proper parenting, society let them down, etc? When do girls take ownership of their actions and MANNERS (quite frankly)? Curious.

      • Leila in Wunderland says:

        @Seen: ‘Slut’- along with all of its couterparts, tramp, whore, e.t.c.- is a patriarchal misogynistic slur used to police women’s clothing, dance, and sexual choices, and to imply that a woman’s human worth, respectability, self-respect, and overall goodness or badness are determined by her sexual purity, or lack thereof. This argument isn’t about ‘personal opinions’- although I know there are many prudish people who get all butthurt when people object to their ‘right’ to demonize and punish a female for doing something sexual. It’s about ending a dangerous form of bigotry. I recommend the authors Jessica Valenti, Jaclyn Friedman, Gerda Lerner, and Ayan Hirsi Ali to you. Their books explain what slut-shaming is, what’s wrong with it, and it’s outcomes.

      • Rosalind says:

        Sharon, since I consider teenagers and adolescents children, I would say that they are not totally accountable for their actions since again, they aren’t adults!!!! Of course people should be held accountable for their actions. As parents that we teach our children. Again, let me stress this word so you understand. Children. That was who your posts were directed at. Young girls who dance inappropriately at school dances? Am I missing something? So you were calling out these young ladies as sluts and I argued your point because like you said again, this a website where we can voice differing opinions. I voiced mine. I guess I’m confused where the problem is. Adults are accountable for their actions. Personal responsibility and manners are something you learn. My children have excellent manners, because I have brought them up that way. I also have excellent manners. Some of the girls friends that come over don’t have the best manners. If I say for instance “can I get you a drink? Something to eat? Whatever it may be I expect a please and thank you and if I don’t get it I sweetly say please, and thank you so they know that’s what I expect to hear in my home. I’m not a bitch about it. It works. My nephews that are 7 and 4 are working on the manners thing. I’ll stand there and wait for 5 minutes until I hear it.
        My calling you out by dropping a**hole is not my abcense of good manners which I can assure you are excellent. It’s due to the fact that anyone that actually thinks young girls and teenage girls should be labeled sluts is a total a**hole. I stated before that many teenagers girls and even younger girls act out in ways that are inappropriate because of reasons you don’t know or understand. I would say sorry to pacify you if I meant it but I will stand by it. Preachy adults that label adolescents and young girls as sluts are part of the huge problem of slut-shaming children. Maybe you could direct some of that energy toward something positive instead of dissecting teenage girls dance moves and calling them out as skanks at the 8th grade dance.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        http://prettytarheel.kinja.com/what-we-really-mean-when-we-call-someone-a-slut-or-why-1443525693

        This is what I wanted to say, in full, about slut-shaming and why it is harmful to women (I’m sure it’ll get edited over the next few months). Attack Miley for so many things…but slut, whore, tramp, skank-those words are easy, lazy, and say more about the person who uses them than the target. When you say you want to hold someone accountable for their actions…why? Why are you so concerned with another woman’s or girl’s behavior?
        If it’s your daughter, niece, or close friend, it’s one thing to have a conversation about the goals you have in life, and how your reputation, however unfairly, can impact those goals. How, although you can’t control what people say about you, control how you respond, and you control your body and your actions. How bodily autonomy is important…If you don’t have a personal relationship, you don’t have a place to have that conversation. And ultimately, when you “hold someone accountable” you’re attempting to control their bodies. Not your place.

    • Rosalind says:

      @PrettyTarheel Fan, thanks a lot for understanding what I was trying to say. I rarely post on Celebitchy even though sometimes I really want to (ha!) but I had to put my 2 cents in this one. It’s great you have those kind of discussions with your nieces. Slut seems to be the go to insult even with teenagers. I’m constantly talking to the girls when they throw that word, and many others I think are horrible, about what it really means, what they are actually saying, and how its inappropriate for whatever reasons. I know since they are children that they don’t realize the full impact of their words and part of my job is to help them develop into responsible well-mannered (shout out to @Sharon HaHa) socially responsible adults.

    • Rosalind says:

      One of the main reasons I never post is because I’m terrible at it, posted my comment above I’m the wrong place (I think). Hopeless at this stuff.

      • Rosalind says:

        These three posts above aren’t by Sharon LOL. My screen name is Rosalind, for some reason every time I pulled up the reply page to her comments her name would come up where you type in the required name and I didn’t even notice!!!!!!! How do I fix it??? I’m on my I-Pad and am truly terrible at this stuff!!! So now that’s sorted and I look super smart, @Seen I was also just offering my opinion. I’m curious as to your comment how not all teenage girls are innocent? What do you mean? If they aren’t and for reasons out of their control is it ok to call sluts? Is it ok for any reason? Children hopefully learn personal responsibility so by the time they are adults they are.

      • Rosalind says:

        Oh, and those last 3 comments I posted above were for @Seen not for @Sharon.

  8. Lindy79 says:

    I think the difference between this and the Superbowl is that the JT/Janet thing was clearly rehearsed that way, he reached over and ripped off a part of her top. JT was directly involved in it and then threw her under the bus when America got it’s panties in a bunch over a f*cking nipple.

    However, he was there, he stood there and let her rub on him and make kissing/licking motions on his neck so he’s not blameless and saying he was looking up and not noticing is a dick move, it didn’t look rehearsed so it’s possible he just went with it on the night so in my humble opinion, he’s a dick but just not on the same level as JT…because that’s not humanly possible.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      So he should be faulted for standing there while she rubbed up on him and licked his neck? Does that mean you think he should have pushed her away or shunned her on stage?

    • Kim says:

      Robin Thicke knew exactly 100% what Miley was going to do. It was rehearsed! He proves it when he says “Me and Robin the whole time said, ‘You know we’re about to make history right now.’

      • Shoe_Lover says:

        Many people have said that what was rehearsed and what was performed are 2 different performances.
        Now I am not defending Robin Thicke, I hate that rapey song and I think he is gross, but Miley needs to take responsibility for her actions and not be all “why is no one blaming the man I ground my ar$e on?”

      • buzzie says:

        this was from reddit, an AMA from one of the little people who was part of the rehearsal. everything, including the whole tongue, was part of the plan. what we saw on stage was what they actually rehearsed for:

        [–]lovelystargazer 639 points 6 hours ago
        How much of it was Miley freestyling? Also how did Robin Thicke feel about her performance?
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        [–]bluest_blue[S] 1398 points 6 hours ago
        Most of it was pretty planned. They both knew in rehearsals exactly what they were going to be doing. Robin seemed very onboard and even suggested some of the moves. That being said, his wife and son were there the entire time…
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        [–]ShaidarHaran2 577 points 6 hours ago
        So her tongue motions, those were planned?
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        [–]bluest_blue[S] 1316 points 6 hours ago
        Yup. When we were rehearsing and she wasn’t there, the choreographer would step in for her and she goes “and she’s gonna stick her tongue out like this” and did it.

  9. shelley says:

    Seriously??!? Certain members of society need to get over the fact that Miley twerks and acts raunchy. Why is Oprah even discussing it? This slut shaming over stage antics says more about the people doing the shaming #bye

  10. Cerulean Skygirl says:

    I wish Robin would just keep his mouth shut, unless he’s singing. The more garbage he spews, the more I dislike him. If he and his wife enjoy their “open” marriage, fine, that’s between them. But now that he’s so well known and recognized, he needs to be more aware of what he says and does. PS – Miley’s behavior can be excused by the “growing thru a phase” excuse, but she, too, might benefit from learning the difference between “sexy” and “sleazy”.

  11. Feebee says:

    I don’t think he sold her out. We could see what was going on. I don’t think he had much choice in the matter once on stage. Can you imagine the flack he would have gotten for pushing her away? Though in the moment of the performance he probably wouldn’t even think to.

    This is more trying to get him to own Miley’s actions. Miley was the one who went overboard, not him. From the post-VMA stuff Miley’s being doing, this is all just part of the plan. I don’t think she meant to totally bury the performance of Blurred Lines but that’s what happened.

    Just because he may be a sleezeball doesn’t mean this is the same as Timberlake and Jackson.

  12. Nev says:

    Justin BOO what he did to Janet.

    Robin YUM. Sorry can’t help it.

  13. I Want To Live In New York says:

    I thought he was yesterday’s news. So much for Christmas coming early.

    Also he has the worst facial expressions.

  14. Crabcake says:

    I thought we all thought her performance was gross because she was trying to be sexual but doesnt have a shred of sexual appeal in her. When did it become about her being raunchy?

  15. Jayna says:

    She was his guest on his song. She overtook the whole performance, which is a no-no. I’m sure they rehearsed it and she was to twerk on him, but I doubt she was all over the stage making it The Miley Show, instead of featured guest of Robin’s song and performance during rehearsals.

  16. cyndi says:

    “…And Robin’s body language the whole time
    he was on stage was [“Um, this is kind of uncomfortable.”]…”

    So…when she bent over and he *moved FORWARD*, closer to her, and shaking/jiggling his legs (bare minimum, hard to see anything else because of the angle)
    Go watch the video again.

  17. Amory says:

    Slut-shaming to me implies that she was acting aggressively sexy and provocative. But there was nothing sexy about that performance. It was just poorly done, and vulgar, and I think that’s what people are picking up on.

    When you can pull off sexy, people are interested; when you can’t pull off sexy, you just look vulgar. No one finds her sexy, so vulgar is all we are left with.

  18. Adrien says:

    Robin should be sending Miley a fruit basket and a bouquet of flowers. It’s been more than a month and we’re still talking about Robin Thicke.

    • Luce says:

      I 100% agree with you. Lainey is losing her head over this and for nothing. She should stop basing her opinions on other people’s twitter updates. Robin Thicke was paired with Miley for the show because they had the buzziest songs of the summer. That doesn’t mean he signed up to be a part of her shenanigans. Sure he had to play a part while on stage in order to not pull a James Franco, but does it mean he’s culpable for her trashy image-making? No, it IS ON HER. Robin Thicke is thick but the look of discomfort on his face during that whole debacle should have said it all to you. He was not enjoying himself. He got nothing good out of it. I’m no RT defender but this is a non-issue so stop trying to make it one!

  19. flan says:

    30-something year old man blames this stuff on a 20 year old.

    Not just a dumbass, but a coward too.

  20. katspeakz says:

    This morning there is an AMA on reddit’s front page from a little person who performed as one of the bears during the VMA act. She says that the entire thing was rehearsed and Robin Thicke’s wife and kid were there.

    I think the whole thing was a publicity stunt, and, look, we’re still talking about them. At the gym last week a gray haired lady wanted to teach me how to twerk.

  21. diva says:

    Lainey has a serious hate for Justin Timberlake. It’s weird. I don’t know lainey had been defending miley so much. She’s not doing anything ground breaking or trying to be ironic. She’s just annoying the masses.

  22. Emily C. says:

    Robin Thicke was singing a pro-rape song. Heat he has taken: none.

    Miley Cyrus has been wearing very little clothing and sticking her tongue out and generally making kind of an ass of herself. Heat she has taken: dear god. One would think she had taken to drowning puppies for fun.

  23. John says:

    Not at all. He couldn’t have looked more uncomfortable or disengaged if he’d tried.
    Singing suggestive lyrics vs grinding an attention-whore justthis side of legal ≠.

  24. Kelly says:

    I don’t blame him. I blame her. I don’t like that Lainey page.

  25. jellyfish says:

    I really think he is a disgusting piece of scum. That aside, yeah he did kind of sell her out. There is no way they never rehearsed together so he knew what was going on. It’s not like they didn’t both agree to do it for the shock and attention factor.

  26. anon33 says:

    OH MY GOD WHY ARE PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA (NOT US COMMENTERS OR THE CB OVERLORDS) STILL DISCUSSING THIS???????

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JESUS CHRIST I’M OVER THIS STORY

  27. buzzie says:

    one of the people who saw the vma rehearsals has claimed that robin thicke knew exactly what was happening, and even suggested some of the dance moves:

    bluest_blue[S] 1398 points 6 hours ago
    Most of it was pretty planned. They both knew in rehearsals exactly what they were going to be doing. Robin seemed very onboard and even suggested some of the moves. That being said, his wife and son were there the entire time…

    why put all the blame on miley when robin was in on it all along and is now acting like a douche by denying he knew what was going on.

  28. Alison E says:

    Oh no, I just wrote a song about how I’m going to have sex with a “good girl” who I know really wants it because she grabs me inappropriately!

    However COULD I have known that a popular Disney protagonist would grab me inappropriately onstage! It was completely unexpected and I cannot believe it ever happened! I am so surprised, well my heavens!

  29. bendgal says:

    Can this topic die already? Old news. Bored to tears. Over…….

  30. I am Legend says:

    I bet he just lies there in bed too…

  31. M79 says:

    Justin Timberlake did this same thing over a decade ago, said it was all Janet when he PULLED OFF her clothes right after the line “and I’ll have you naked by the end of this song” then blamed her, got off scott free, her career was destroyed, he was fine. Sexism in the modern age is alive and well.