Zosia Mamet: Feminism means we shouldn’t tear down others’ ideas of ‘success’

Zosia Mamet

Zosia Mamet has risen to semi-stardom for her role on Girls, which I still haven’t watched. I’m familiar with her brief role as the charismatic lesbian photo editor on Mad Men. I also identify with Zosia’s lack of makeup prowess. This is how I imagine I look when wearing lipstick. I make no excuses for Zosia’s fashion sense, but she is my spirit animal when it comes to awkward makeup application.

Zosia penned a lengthy essay in Glamour about feminism and the freedom to define “success” on an individual level. I’ve cut a few paragraphs, but Zosia’s point is that women should stop picking apart each other’s life choices. Some women define success as running a Fortune 500 company, and others are happy with running a small bakery or whatever. Or working for that bakery. Or not working at all. Zosia uses her own career as an example. She was offered a role in an established hit sitcom (before Girls) but decided to make an indie film with her friends instead. She didn’t understand why her agent pushed her to take the bigger paycheck. Zosia has a better grasp on feminism’s meaning than certain other starlets. Let’s do this:

I have been incredibly blessed with success in my chosen career. I’ve worked my ass off and had the support and encouragement of those around me to keep climbing. But what if tomorrow I decided I was content with the place I’d reached in acting and planned to open a small coffee shop in Vermont? That job wouldn’t necessarily be any easier, but I believe I would be considered less successful. My friends, some of them, would ask me if it was what I really wanted (code for “You’re making a mistake”). My agent would think I was insane, and my family would definitely be confused. And if I didn’t turn my little coffee shop into some world-renowned Magnolia Bakery of the north, if I kept it small and had a happy life, I probably wouldn’t be considered a success at that either, which is ridiculous.

We are so obsessed with “making it” these days we’ve lost sight of what it means to be successful on our own terms. As women we have internalized the idea that every morning we wake up, we have to go for the f—ing gold. You can’t just jog; you have to run a triathlon. Having a cup of coffee, reading the paper, and heading to work isn’t enough–that’s settling, that’s giving in, that’s letting them win. You have to wake up, have a cup of coffee, conquer France, bake a perfect cake, take a boxing class, and figure out how you are going to get that corner office or become district supervisor, while also looking damn sexy-but not too sexy, because cleavage is degrading-all before lunchtime. Who in her right mind would want to do that? And who would even be able to?

I think, unfortunately, some of our need to succeed professionally is a by-product of a good thing: feminism. Feminism was meant to empower us as women, to build us up for fighting on male-dominated battlefields. It did that, but it did some other things as well. It gave us female role models like Hillary and Oprah and Beyonce and in the process implied that mogul-hood should be every woman’s goal. We kept the old male ideas of success: power and money. We need new ones!

I hate that we look at women who choose not to run a country as having given up. I get angry that, when a woman decides to hold off on gunning for a promotion because she wants to have a baby, other women whisper that “she’s throwing away her potential.” That is when we’re not supporting our own. Who are we to put such a limited definition on success? The Merriam-Webster dictionary says success is “the correct or desired result of an attempt.” But you get to decide what you attempt. If you get off running a global hair care empire, more power to you, but if working as a hairdresser somewhere within that empire brings you joy, then that should be just as admirable. You shouldn’t feel like you’re letting down the team.

[From Glamour]

Zosia has a point. Following one’s dreams and personal definition of success is more important than a few extra dollars. I do think Zosia’s a bit sheltered because she grew up with rich and famous parents and never struggled as an actress. Her romantic dreams of starting a small indie bakery remind me of Michelle Willaims’ desire to run away and become a laundress. It’s easy to romanticize the jobs of the little people when one doesn’t have to live on the wages of the little people. Zosia doesn’t have to gun for a corner office in order to live comfortably, but a lot of women do. Not every woman has the freedom to make that choice. Feminism ideally gives us the choice to define success as we please, but financial concerns always muddy the waters.

Zosia received a lot of flack for starting a Kickstarter campaign to finance her $32,000 folk music video last year. The fund failed because people thought it was ridiculous to give money to a successful actress with a vague idea of a dreamy video. So yeah, she’s out of touch with the daily concerns of most working people. I still have to give Zosia props for actually understanding the meaning of feminism and using it as a launching pad for other ideas.

Zosia Mamet

Zosia Mamet

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  1. QQ says:

    I sincerely like this kid, Idk why….no wait! i do! Zosia zosia zosia Her name hypnotizes me…if my ovaries weren’t frozen in the back of the freezer right along with my maternal instinct I would make a baby girl and name her that!

    • mimif says:

      Lol QQ, I keep my ovaries & maternal instinct in the ice cooler with the assorted adult beverages. They’re getting very very watered down…

    • magda says:

      Zosia is a diminutive of Zofia, which is a polish version of Sophia.
      I like this name very much, but personally I don’t like the trend with short/diminutive forms of full name as a ‘proper’ first name

  2. Ollyholly says:

    I don’t really like this girl. I’m sorry, but that ridiculous Kickstarter with her sister just made her forever an imbecile in my mind.

  3. InvaderTak says:

    Well I will give credit where it is due: I completely agree with her. Granted, she does have a pretty privileged upbringing and possibly world view, but her comments are very on point. We do not have to be wonder woman. Sacrifices are part of life. I would say that maybe it is the media’s feminist image that drives this idea. Magazine covers, self help etc

  4. Bell says:

    Yeah. She is correct. But it always worries me that this isn’t self-explanatory if one knows the definition of feminism…
    And I think she missed out this point:
    A woman’s success can be a part of feminism but not when that success is having ‘part of the oppression pie’.
    That’s why Girls and Lena Dunham get so much flack. It lacks intersectionality. Thats why the SNL Tina Fey parody is so damn funny.
    But still good to hear a positive explanation/definition of feminism.

    • mimif says:

      I finally watched a few episodes of Girls the other night and…it inspired an abnormal fit of rage. More like a tsunami of rage. I might have tried to light the dvd on fire…

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        This is why I won’t watch it. I know it would make me stabby.

      • mimif says:

        I would buy a 1.75 of your preferred brand of vodka just so I could have the pleasure of hearing your review.
        I might actually have to break up with my friend that gave me the first season because she thought I would love it.

      • kri says:

        TOK and MIMIF…I thought I was the only one who reacted to “Girls” like I had come down with a serious case of Rage virus! My sister made me watch it one day, and I was left feeling repulsed, angry and bored. Kind of like the reaction I have to all things Kardashian. I would need to drink all that vodka to watch another episode.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        “Girls” makes me uber-stabby.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      +1, Bell. Perfectly stated.

  5. BooBooLaRue says:

    Tragic sense of fashion.

  6. cbreader says:

    AMEN, sister. I’ve been waiting to hear those words. 🙂

  7. meg says:

    that might be the sanest most intelligent description of feminism i have ever heard from a celebrity.

  8. Happyhat says:

    This is kinda in line with all that ‘leaning forward’ stuff, which I kinda get but not really. It’s good she’s talking about it; I can’t stand some of the snobbery that revolves around people – men and women – and their choices. Stay at home dads are often laughed at, stay at home mothers are ‘hurting the sisterhood’ or whatever.

  9. OriginalCrystal says:

    Ugh, I swear most of the criticism of ‘lean in’ comes from folks who didn’t even read the book. The author disclaims and says she understands not every woman wants to reach the top and that it’s ok and everyone has their own version of success on every other page. Did people ANYBODY read the book? I don’t think Sheryl Sandberg intended it to be a feminist manifesto. It doesn’t apply to all women and she is very self aware of that fact. I honestly think the media just took it to a whole other level and it’s become a statement about something bigger than what she actually wrote and its become a buzzword. It’s tiring now.

    I agree that women should never be shamed for choosing a “simple” life, as she calls it, we DO absolutely need to encourage women to chase their dreams and empower themselves.

    The issue isn’t really with women who choose to be homemakers or open little coffee shops, it’s with the deeply-rooted misogyny in the system that makes it 10x harder for women to make decent money, to run for office, and really, to do anything considered “men’s work.”

    Lean In wasn’t about taking away and/or shaming women who choose to stay home. At all.
    It was about telling women who are ambitious in their careers they don’t need to fall prey to societies pressure for them to “think about their future husbands/children” and pull away from their dreams years before they even have a husband/child.

    And it was about finding a partner who would be a 50/50 participant in raising children.

    These ‘choice’ feminists are so gd annoying, especially because choice comes with having privileges in life (but don’t tell them that).

    I don’t watch ‘Girls’ so I have no opinion on Zosia. I did hear about her flop kickstarter though…I’m glad it flopped.

    • Happyhat says:

      I admit, I’ve not read the book nor anything about it. I’d like to read it one day.

      I agree though, when I’ve heard ‘debates’ about whether a woman ‘should’ work or not that it’s always (obviously) privileged people having that discussion. Like, yeah, is it damaging to the children? Who f****** cares, it’s not like most people have a choice!

      I don’t know what my point is…I have a cold and I want to rant!

      • OriginalCrystal says:

        Honestly, as a working mother (who is extremely privileged in terms of money but definitely not race.) I thought the book was a good read. I’m lucky enough to work in a female dominated industry but for those who don’t and want to get higher up but constantly worry about family pressures, I think the book has some decent advice. It’s not perfect but unlike the Lena Dunhams and Beyonces of the world, Sheryl never claims to speak on behalf of all women everywhere. I didn’t think it was the most insightful thing ever. But its almost a must read for women in corporate America that want to advance.

        The ‘stay at home mom’ vs ‘working mom’ debate is tedious at this point, especially because these days it’s rarely a ‘choice’ for women. Sometimes a woman’s choice isn’t really a “choice” because her husband won’t do equal housework/child rearing or it’s more expensive to put her kids in day care than quit work because the minimum wage isn’t high enough or taxes work out like that etc.
        The woman is usually making less money at the outset, so she’ll decide to stay home with the kids while her husband keeps his job and gets consistent promotions and raises. The thing is, nearly every woman who tries to get back into the workforce after getting the kids into school immediately regrets having left work at all. There’s no recovering from taking those years off.

        Each woman makes a choice and we need to not judge but not all choices are created equal because of current policy and social attitudes.

      • Kiddo says:

        @OriginalCrystal, nicely put.

    • Birdix says:

      It’s interesting after reading The Confidence Gap in the Atlantic to wonder whether at least some of those who are choosing the “smaller” life are doing so because of lack of faith in their own abilities or more of a look-before-you-leap hesitancy to take bigger risks.

    • Becky1 says:

      +1 @ Original Chrystal!! I actually read “Lean In” and your synopsis is on point. There are too many people who comment about the book without having read it.

  10. Kiddo says:

    Since when did feminism intend that you couldn’t/shouldn’t go into your chosen field? I think that she is confusing feminism with the pressures from her family and closed peer group.

    That little coffee shop would likely be more difficult to achieve success with, since restaurants have enormous turn-over. She may have worked her ass off, but her ass was also pushed through the doors with the advantage of having a famous parent. It almost sounds condescending to those people who invest life savings, blood, sweat and tears into small businesses working 24/7 without the safety net of a wealthy and powerful father. She’s annoying and misguided by being insulated in a pile of privilege.

    • mimif says:

      Yeah I think it’s slightly classist as well, as if being a coffee shop owner is something to look down on.

  11. Asiyah says:

    Hmmm…I can agree with this. Putting her privileged background aside, she has a very good point. I liked her overall message.

    (One can also make the argument that her privilege might be irrelevant since other actresses of similar backgrounds would have taken the sitcom role over the indie film with friends, but I still see why people bring up her background)

  12. Sanderspane says:

    This girl and others of her ilk always miss the point and unfortunately give feminism a bad name. Feminism is nothing more than the idea that women should have the right to work, earn equal pay, (in some countries) to even vote. These girls don’t remember when women weren’t allowed in the work force, that they were (and still are paid) less than men, or how many woman were once the property at the mercy of their husbands. She’s behaving foolishly, but time will teach her. It always does.

    • Kiddo says:

      Truth.

    • OriginalCrystal says:

      ‘She’s behaving foolishly, but time will teach her. It always does.’

      Ha! Love this. You sound like my mum. I agree with you completely. I swear Tumblr and Jezebel have turned feminism into ‘I choose to become a stripper and that makes me feminist because its my choice/every choice a woman makes is a feminist choice’… these girls are so misguided and this ‘choose your choice feminism’ is the reason why Stephenie Meyer can write sexist garbage like ‘Twilight’ but declare herself a feminist because ‘she loves women’. What a joke.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      Yes agree with you all.

      I wish more women understood this very basic concept.

    • Asiyah says:

      I see your point, but I don’t know if Zosia misunderstands feminism. Perhaps it seems that way because feminism is now being defined as something that else (see Shailene “not a feminist because I love men”), and so a lot of women are saying “um no, that’s not what feminism is.” Her essay doesn’t seem to suggest that women don’t still make less than men, that we still have to struggle, etc. What I took her message to mean was that we have more options now and we don’t have to exactly confirm to only one definition of success. Everyone defines success differently. I could be wrong, though, and I do tend to overanalyze at times.

    • Birdix says:

      I’m not so sure about that. I think she does understand the roots of feminism and is commenting on what has grown out of the strides made in the 70s and 80s. Girls know now that they will not likely be limited by their gender in the career they choose. I think she’s commenting on the pressure of women to succeed in a way that she defines as “male” — by accumulating power and money. I’m not sure I agree with her conclusion that this is a “male” construct, but I do think that feminism can grow and priorities can change as some of the hopes of the original feminists become closer to reality.

  13. GeeMoney says:

    Regardless of her upbringing, her commentary on feminism is on point.

    Shoshanna forever! Her character on Girls is THE BEST.

  14. Nev says:

    Love.

  15. lucy2 says:

    I like what she said – you have to do what makes YOU happy.
    The kickstarter thing bugs me, I feel like that should be reserved for those that can’t get traditional funding, not for people with other means to make it happen.

  16. JenniferJustice says:

    I agree with her for the most part. To me, real success is happiness, contentment, fulfillment. Those are all things that come to people in very different ways. That said, I will not support women 1)who claim success and expect respect – never having worked for anything they have; 2)who got rich at the expense of others, or 3) who turn to porn or any other form of exploitation and encourage others to do it too.

  17. HoustonGrl says:

    This is my problem with the entire cast of girls. They all grew up rich, privately educated etc. Their idea of “global” women’s issues are actually very narrow and segmented to their particular niche of upper-crust New York society.

  18. Sarah says:

    she is right. the example with the agent though is weird. obviously he would want to have her take the bigger salary when he gets a percentage it.

  19. LilyT says:

    But what if a woman’s Idea of success is tearing other women down?

    Food for thought.

    I like her, but I’m always wary of “feminism means…” Statements.

  20. Nighty says:

    Wow, don’t know her (I think), but those were some wise words… Finally…

  21. paranormalgirl says:

    I just want to retire from practice, run away to the Bahamas, and write books. THAT, to me, would be empowering.

  22. GIrlyGirl says:

    This is for you Zosia
    ———————
    fem·i·nism noun \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
    : the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities

    : organized activity in support of women’s rights and interests
    ——————
    yep

  23. AnnieCL says:

    Jezus! Seriously, any woman who has a mind of their own knows exactly what their own definition of success is! Who the frock are all these little girls afraid of owning feminism?? F*ck off! I like Zosia, she seems like a thoughtful person but no woman needs to ‘blame’ feminism or the spirit of it for their own shortcomings! It seems that a lot of women need self – confidence rather than taking crappy pot shots @ feminism!

  24. Nina says:

    I agree, to a point. Women are under a lot of pressure these days to overachieve in everything. Including exemplary marriage, startling fitness goals, outsmarting the ageing process, kids beating all developmental milestones, all the while cooking like a 5 star chef and getting the corner office.

  25. Amulla says:

    Every woman I know who chose the path of career worship wound up regretting their life later on. Most of those hard-core career women lost their jobs in the Great Recession. Now they have nothing; no husband, no kids, no family to fall back on. And its really too late to get married now, as most men in their age bracket are divorced and want to hang on to whatever assets they have left.

  26. tbruland says:

    it just sounds to me like the whole idea is overwhelming, being the perfect mom the perfect leader ext…, its a very high standard that is set and trying to reach it can be very overwhelming at times, we all strive for those things and not meeting them can feel like faliure, and i really do appreciate her giving the definition of success in this acrticle, to actually look and see what we have done and become, sometimes we have reached success without even knowing….