Last Thursday, Kanye West ranted, on and off, for hours during a stop in San Jose for his Saint Pablo tour. Then in Saturday night, he was supposed to have a concert in Sacramento, and he did show up… which is when he ranted for like 30 minutes and performed four songs, then left the stage. He was supposed to perform in LA on Sunday night, but he canceled the concert all of a sudden. Then on Monday, the announcement came out: Kanye was canceling the remainder of his Saint Pablo tour. The official excuse give (to TMZ) was that Kanye was “just exhausted… He’s been working around the clock on fashion design, both his own line and the Adidas line.” Sources also said that Kim Kardashian’s robbery deeply affected him, and he’s wanted to spend more time with his family. It probably took a matter of minutes for the rumors to begin after Kanye’s tour cancellation. “Nervous breakdown,” they said. “Crazy,” they said. Apparently, the people around Kanye might have thought the same thing. Because he was literally carted off in handcuffs for a psychiatric evaluation.
Kanye West has been taken to UCLA Medical Center for psychiatric evaluation. According to law enforcement sources … cops responded to a call for a welfare check on Kanye around 1:20 PM PT. He was at his trainer, Harley Pasternak’s home at the time and was “acting erratically.”
We’re told police called L.A. Fire, and by the time paramedics arrived Kanye was calmer … but still resistant to going to the hospital. We’re told everyone — his management and law enforcement — convinced him it was best he go. Law enforcement sources tell us Kanye was handcuffed to a gurney during transport to the hospital … as standard protocol.
Sources connected to Kanye tell us he was getting checked out by one of his doctors for severe sleep deprivation while he was at Pasternak’s place … and someone decided to call police.
Severe sleep deprivation does mess with your mind. But sleep deprivation can also be a symptom of something else, like… (and I’m just arm-chair diagnosing) the manic stage of a bipolar disorder. Many of us who have followed Kanye’s career know his quirks and eccentricities, just as we know that Kanye often goes through what can be described as “manic” periods, when he makes little to no sense, when he’s increasingly paranoid and angry, when he seems unhinged from reality. I hope this is some kind of wake-up call for Kanye and his family that they need to take his mental health more seriously.
Speaking of Kanye’s family, Kim was due to make her first post-robbery public appearance last night in NYC, for the Angel Ball. She actually got to New York and when she touched down, she learned that Kanye had been taken in, so she flew right back to LA.
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Good. He’s always been…eccentric but ever since his mom died and he started blaming himself for it watching his mental health decline is like watching a plane crash; it’s horrible, sad and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
Hopefully this is a wake up call for him and everyone around him. He needs help.
I agree. Losing his mom was the “break” in kanye. He was never the same after that. He needs some serious help.
Also kudos to Kim for immediately turning around. Say what you want about them but they truly ride or die for each other
I hope Kanye gets the help he needs. I think it will be a turning point for him and he will be a better person after all of this. After being medicated for my own mental health issues my life has changed for the better
For more selfish reasons, I wonder if he does get help if this will affect his music and if this will bring back **old kanye**. I like all of his music but his old music was something else
I was going to say the same thing about Kim going straight back home. He dropped what he was doing when she needed him after the Paris attack. I kind of love them as a couple, and have definitely found Kim to be more palatable since their relationship started
I don’t believe in this ride or die thing. It’s not like she is going to stay in NYC while the man is literally carted off in handcuffs.
I don’t believe in this ride or die thing. It’s not like she is going to stay in NYC while the man is literally carted off in handcuffs.
Yup I think it’s real between them and honestly I hope for the best for them both. If he really is undergoing psychiatric treatment, it’s not easy, for the patient or the family members. I hope he gets the help he needs w/o being sedated by mind numbing anti psychotics.
“Also kudos to Kim for immediately turning around. Say what you want about them but they truly ride or die for each other.”
Really??? He’s canceling shows and tours and ranting, and yet she still goes to NY? That doesn’t sound ride or die to me. That sounds uncaring and selfish. I think a partner that truly cares wouldn’t go to an event when their spouse is having a mental episode.
Can you imagine the articles if she ignored his “incident” and did NOT fly home? She had to do it whether she wanted to or not.
I guess beyonce knew best because she didn’t want the Kardahsians socially climbing her fame ladder. They knew what they could get out of Kanye, as they saw what he did for Amber Rose. The fashion world loved her and praised her. Kim saw that and wanted every part of that. Let’s be honest here, her fame from porn was not going to last long neither does she have any talent. I feel like she was mesmerized or inspired by Amber Rose’s fairy tale story and felt she was more entitled to it, thus marrying Kanye to make it seem more believable that she was his “ride or die” Kim forced fed her way down the throats of Karl Lagerfeld , Valentino and Anna Winter who has publicly despised anything Kardashian related.
Now marks the time for a Kardashian Fashion Era, they had only one “high fashion” label they were trying to promote and it was Balmain, another friend of Kanyes. These women know how to suck blood like kris teaches them how to suck cock.
I heard Valentino was pissed off because the media made them seem like they were the Kennedy’s then soon found out what they stood for, he backed away quick enough. I only blame Kanye for his ego and allowing the Kardahsians to do this to him.
GOOD! The man is in need. I hope it was family who made the call, if so that means that just maybe they will be smart enough not to overlook his needs because he does a little whining or claims he is better after one day.
Google luck Mr West.
The family did not make the call. A doctor and his trainer did. Family was nowhere around.
Oh no, his wife and her side have a bad record of overlooking the writing on the wall when it comes to the men in their lives, I was hoping Kim had stepped up with this one for the kids sakes. Dang it man! Oh well , sending my best anyway!
The family most likely would have resisted hospitalization and might not even have called a doctor in the first place. He might have such episodes routinely. He is very lucky that family wasn’t around or else he would not have this chance to get some treatment for his increasingly serious problems. Considering Kim’s heartlessness regarding her brother’s problems, she seems to have zero understanding or sympathy for such mental issues that affect behavior.
in california a 51/50 hold must be initiated and brought to a doctors attention by a family member. keep in mind these women carefully calculate everything they do. Kim boards a flight to NYC in the mist of all of this was not a coincidence, she just wanted her hands cleaned.
Agree. Mental illness isn’t funny.
Mental illness is not funny. The handcuff part is not a big deal either, police have to handcuff people for everyone’s safety.
He is only considered eccentric because he is an artist and has money. it seems the two things, money and fame, thT should have nearly guaranteed access to mental health care have hindered him greatly. I hope he will get good help now. He deserves that.
Money is very dangerous to your health. Their is lots of evidence that having money leads to inferior medical attention. That is part of the problem for Kanye, he is surrounded by sycophants and has no one who will be straight with him, either because they fear for their job, or they want to use him, or they are indifferent to his well-being. I feel sorry for Kanye, despite all his bad behavior, he needs help and he needs people who actually care about his welfare to help him. I’m not sure he has that in his life. Maybe all this publicly calling out to Jay-Z is actually a cry for help, he’s certainly not going to get help from his wife and her klan.
Does a tragedy trigger bipolar disorder ? Or does it just show up later in life regardless of what happens in your life?
I had assumed one was born with it but I am no expert. Depression I am expert in but I wondered if he was always on meds and his mother watched over his meds or ??
Bipolar can show up at any point in time, although it’s pretty common to have your first manic episode in your late teens or early twenties.
I don’t mean to armchair diagnose, we have no idea what’s going on with him. In pure theory, it’s possible he’s always had bipolar and just been high-functioning, but is less able to hide it at this point or has experienced the manic phases at points when it would be less obvious to the public and more “helpful” to his art, like when he’s writing/recording or designing rather than on tour.
Bi-polar disorder is something you are born with, but it can appear anytime and can be diagnosed quite late in a person’s life although it’s usually caught during adolescence when the hormones kick in and the brain is re-ordering itself anyway.
I can’t stand the man but I feel sincerely sorry for him, I used to work with people Bi-polar disorder and it’s a truly horrible illness – second only to Schizophrenia (which I honestly believe is worse – at least from the perspective of looking from the outside in) That said Bi-polar can be treated with medication. The problems kick in when the person decides they like the ‘high’s’ or manic phase of the illness – that it makes them feel so ‘ alive’ that they stop taking the meds. If there’s some NPD traits as well – and even from this distance he shows those traits – that feeling of invulnerability (due to NPD) can only exacerbate an unwillingness to co-operate with medical treatment. Sad situation all around. I hope he’s getting all the help and support he needs.
I had the same question, Hadleyb. The behavior resembles bipolar disorder. BPD isn’t caused by trauma and stress, but those factors combined with a manic episode might look like this.
My daughter has bipolar disorder. For a long time I have felt that Kanye has the same mental disorder.
My daughter’s bipolar seemed to be triggered by her anxiety and depression over the severe bullying she received in middle school (which she kept to herself). For two years I took her to counselors and a psychiatrist for help. They only diagnosed her with severe anxiety and depression, gave her a prescription for Prozac and sent her on her way. She attempted suicide 2 1/2 years ago. Fortunately, she was not successful.
When we moved back to Tennessee from Virginia, she was supposed to go to her first appointment with a psychiatrist friend of ours. The day before, she came to me and said, “Mama, I’ve been looking on the internet. I think I have bipolar.” I didn’t know anything about bipolar at the time, so I started looking into it. Everything described my daughter. The manic highs and the “can’t get out of bed” lows. I would sometimes get up at 2:30 or 3:00 in the morning to find her lights on and she would be sketching or painting. She rarely would be able to sleep and she was hallucinating. There were times she simply could not function on a day to day basis. It was frightening and as a parent, you feel helpless. She’s incredibly smart and creative. When we told her new doctor what we thought, he spoke with her for 45 minutes, then agreed. He put her on a mood stabilizer, an anti-depressant and a sleep aid. She also has a psychiatric service dog. All of these things combined, has slowly helped her back to leading a normal life. In just 2 years, the change is miraculous.
I have been on support boards with other parents who have children with this disorder. Unfortunately for many of them, their children refuse to take their medication because they feel like it inhibits their personality. I am grateful my daughter wants to take her medication.
I have often wondered if Kanye received a diagnosis of bipolar and just refused at times to take his medication because he felt “normal” and thought it was okay to not take it, then we get the “outbursts.”
I pray he gets the help he needs. I pray he gets the medication he needs and that he takes it.
I love Kim and Kanye together and they have a beautiful family. Those kids deserve to have a healthy father.
@bettyrose
BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder
Llamas, either one can be abbreviated that way when you’re typing on your phone.
@Sherry, totally off topic but I’m so happy your daughter had a positive outcome. I only have my own experience with mental health issues so, as a mom myself, I can only imagine what it’s like watching your baby go through it. Your daughter is so lucky she’s as clever and in tune with herself as she is and to have such a supportive mom.
Good question. I think environment (i.e. a tragic event) can trigger one’s propensity toward bipolar disorder or other mental illness. It sounds like he’s been struggling for a while. If not, it could be an isolated manic episode, which my 17-year-old son had this past summer. He’s on the autism spectrum and has struggled with depression and anxiety his whole life but a specific event seemed to trigger this mania. Sleep deprivation definitely exacerbated the situation. Luckily I was able to take him to the ER myself. He ended up being discharged because while he was clearly manic and delusional, he wasn’t a danger to himself or anyone else. Luckily his psychiatrist was very responsive and added a med that stabilized him pretty quickly. She seems to think he’s not bipolar despite the manic episode. But now he is terrified about this happening again, so he’s very diligent about getting enough sleep and watchful about other possible triggers. It is a rough, rough road and I wish Kanye and all those struggling the best in their fight against mental illness.
The first episode is sometimes triggered by a normal depression after an unhappy event, but the normal feedback mechanism that lifts us out of such depression doesn’t work right so they spiral downward to a very different deep depression. Some people are basically unipolar and don’t generally experience the manic side of it. Don’t know if the reverse is true.
But it’s a biochemical imbalance and especially after the first episode, it can recur out of the blue and have nothing to do with what’s going on in your life. This is why it’s crucial to be religious about taking the meds. They help normalize the biochemistry somehow. Doctors took my relative off meds a couple of times because they thought he was stabilized without them (they also worried about side effects) and eventually each time (in a matter of years) he had a soul-sucking recurrence of the deep depression with no warning.
I shouldn’t respond as someone who has directly treated him either- however- if a particular DNA has a marker for a genetic mental disorder- stress can turn it on!
Remember he was in a car accident and got frontal lobe damage. Even concussions can mess you up, so imagine the effect of a crash. Does anyone know more about it?
I agree with Belle Epoch, if I recall correctly, he was in a car accident involving a serious concussion, and his capricious behavior seems to date from that time. I’m not suggesting I know anything about the truth of his situation, but frontal lobe damage can lead to a dramatic decrease in impulse control, and result in the public tantrums we have seen so often from him.
I would guess he’s Bipolar 1 (the more severe version of Bipolar Disorder) and that he is being involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility (thus the handcuffs).
I know because I am Bipolar 1. It took me 7 years from my diagnosis (and my own visit to a psychiatric hospital as the final chapter) to get my meds and my lifestyle-you must become self aware to deal with this disease-right. Now I have a supportive therapist and a supportive prescriber (a nurse practitioner) who oversee my care. It was a roller coaster for years before that.
It’s going to be a long haul. I sincerely hope he gets all the help and support he needs. Part of that support-if the Kardashians can bear it-is a stable home life and privacy.
Maybe, substance abuse (of any kind) is in the picture, too ? Just a thought of a medic…
I hope he gets well soon. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.
Let’s hope this isn’t used in future episodes of their tv show like they did with Lamar’s medical crisis.
I’d be shocked if it wasn’t, that family has no limits. He deserves to recover in peace, as did Lamar, but sadly I don’t think it’ll happen.
Yeah, exactly, everything and everybody (men mainly) the Kardashian touch gets messed up.
I really dislike him, both as person and “artist”, but I hope he will be treated for what is obviously a mental illness and that he’ll get better soon.
Me too i don’t see that happening, they even showed their mom accident on tv, they literally have no limits.
I truly hope it isn’t.
Don’t they have to have permission? I hope Kanye or Kim wouldn’t allow this as public entertainment fodder.
@Bluhare, whatever contract he signed with them in the past may have already granted them permission. However, filming in the hospital would require permission from the facility and they aren’t likely to get that.
I doubt it will. Kanye has more clout than poor Lamar does. He’s been able to sway more privacy than anyone else who has anything to do with them, I’d imagine it would continue.
Sidenote: I’ve only started watching the Kardashians recently. My God, how they talk about Lamar is atrocious. There was a whole episode with Khloe explicitly stating needing her ‘me’ time away from feigning concern for him and controlling his life. I couldn’t believe it. Like, of course, being a carer is hard… but Christ! Have some decorum and DON’T go on TV griping about how someone’s struggle back from the brink of death is inconvenient for you.
This. He’s exhibited signs of mental illness -at least- since his mother died.
@bluhare, they filmed Lamar after he told them specifically that he didn’t want any more part of the show. If the contract Kanye signed for the show includes total filming of his life, then he doesn’t have to give permission.
Good. Glad he’s finally getting the help he has obviously needed for a while. I hope he finds a more balanced way to live his life.
One thing I will say is that it’s sweet how devoted the two of them are to each other. They both went to each other immediately in times of crisis. And it really does seem like the robbery triggered him to spiral harder than he already has been.
I hope you’re right and that they really do love each other. Specifically her loving him. Despite their two kids, my cynical heart remains skeptical.
@ I Choose Me – it was rumored for quite some time (while Kim was with Reggie and Kris) that she was seeing Kanye/in love with Kanye, and that he was the one she wanted to be with. So, I’m thinking she probably really does love Kanye.
Listen to John Legend’s interview. Apparently, he and Kim saw really erratic behavior from Kanye before she left for NY. She wasn’t living with him and I think they probably were having a few problems.
Someone who is obviously on the edge can not help someone else. I think having to support Kim while she went through her robbery trauma was too much for him.
It is official that 2016 has sucked for most people and 2017 isn’t looking like it is going to be much better.
I have always felt Kim truly loves him and vice versa. She has always supported when unlike her sisters who dumped their men when the going got tough. Hopefully Kanye gets the help he has been needing for a long time.
Dumped their men when the going got tough. You mean when Lamar cheated multiple times with hookers etc?
Yet she left AFTER he had the meltdown on Thurs and then cancelled his date in LA. Is she not living with him? I do hope drugs are not involved in all this.
I can’t imagine a marriage, even a bad one, where the spouse wouldn’t go immediately in the instance of an emergency hospitalization of any kind. And in a case like this one, there are legal issues.
In the meanwhile Kris is preparing the grounds for a divorce. These women are like praying mantas. They emasculate their men and then they set them free, broken pieces and mental problems and all.
Thet don’t need Kanye anymore. He lasted even too long if I’m honest.
I too, think Kris is already calling divorce lawyers namely Laura Wasser. Kanye is a liability to their all-important brand now. The K’s will say Kanye is a danger to the kids and Kim is heartbroken but is doing this to protect them.
By all accounts Kanye is a great father. For Kim and Demon Mother to consider something like that would be cruel and the public would see what they are trying to do. It would backfire big time on the Kardashians.
Now having someone get power of attorney over Kanye’s affairs I could see that happening. But as Kanye’s wife I think Kim automatically has that. It will be interesting how they handle this.
I hope Kanye gets the help he needs.
Kanye is not just any man, he is Kanye West and his name and talent got them recognition on the cover of Vogue, a place where no one expected to see the Kardashians.
If Kanye ever wants out of the marriage, I imagine it will be very difficult for him because they will hang on tight.
We have seen it before with this family. The men have a short shelf life before they expire and are tossed aside.
As much as I don’t like tha K’s, I have always felt that there was genuine love between Kim and Kanye, I think if she left she would go back once he was well. He’s had mental health issues for a long time and it seems his entourage was trying to handle it privately when someone at his trainers house called the police.
I think Kim has serious issues herself and has limited capability to truly love another person. She and Kanye were definitely friends for many years and probably friends with benefits. She was sending naked pictures of herself to Kanye while he was with Amber Rose. My theory is that after 72 days of marriage to Kris H, Kanye pointed out that he was single and they could get together if she weren’t married. And then Kim ran as fast as her high heels allowed to the courthouse to file for divorce, not bothering to talk to either her husband or her mother about it. She wanted to trade up because Kanye could get her places that she wanted to go. And he has.
So I’m not entirely sure how much normal love is involved in her actions. If she feels his usefulness to her is at an end, she may feel no compulsion to continue to be with him. She certainly did not understand at all why Khloe still wanted to help her ex, Lamar. Kim’s pattern has been to dump the man, lie about him, and then pretend they no longer exist. With two kids, though, she will be forever tied to Kanye, although I’m not sure if she entirely understands what that means. She may think she can block his access somehow. Then she will be able to use the kids on her show with wild abandon.
But for now, I suspect Kim and her mother are trying to figure out how to milk the situation for publicity and their ageing show, just as they did to Lamar.
her “friends” are already leaking sources to the DM about how Kanye is narcissist and annoying (which is probably true), the thing is i don’t even feel sorry for Kanye, he knew what he was getting into by marrying kim.
I really dislike the idea that these women can’t be touched by love, harmed by illness or laid low by heartache or fear.
They are human and they are women. They might have made a brand out of sweet fa but they are still like all the rest of us.
I dislike how we speak about them and I have never seen men spoken of in this manner
I am sorry but my judgement is not based on genders but on what they have proved so far.
The Kardashians have exploited every men in their lives. When Lamar was about to die it was all still about poor Khloè. While Scott have lost his parents all the attention was on Kourtney. Bruce going through a gender change? All about Kris.
Kanye having a nervous breakdown and he needs to be hospitalized? Poor little Kim!
Kris is the puppet master and she has many gossip sites on her pay roll. She knows how to do it and how to spin it.
Their feelings are not genuine.
Khloe and Kourtney and Rob and the Jenner girls are reasonably normal in emotional range although they each have other problems that can affect their relationships. But Kim seems to have been especially damaged, I suspect by her mother’s emotional and even physical abuse and neglect when she was a child. (The Kardashian children all seem to more or less dislike their mother, and Kourtney the oldest loathes her. They hang around for business reasons.) I believe what Robert Kardashian wrote in a diary before going for divorce. He was wrong to let Kris have custody but at that time both judges and divorced men themselves tended to assume that children belonged with their mother.
Kim focused on the goal of becoming famous when she was quite young, with no goal of gaining skills that might make her famous for something other than taking off her clothes. She latched onto Paris Hilton early, not the greatest role model. So pursuit of fame is her major driving force. The secondary driving force is the desire to become very, very rich. But Kim seems emotionally cold and stiff, possibly over the years she built a strong protective shell around herself. Maybe her traumatic experience in Paris will help her break through that shell with a good therapist, but I’m not holding my breath. Her interaction with her kids is just so odd, and Nori acted like she didn’t know Kim for quite a long time (Nori is older now, Kim is a little more interested, and Nori can remember absent people well enough and deal with a more casual relationship as long as she has some constant adults in her life like her aunts on both sides and her nannies).
A big obstacle for Kim to heal is her pathological lying. She lies as easily as she breathes and makes up a life for herself based on other people’s stories (usually inconsistently). It really is unwise to take anything she says at face value, everything needs corroboration by someone known for chronic truth-telling.
I don’t see Kim as evil but she is damaged and that causes problems for people around her, including her children. Her kids might be all right because they have a lot of other people looking out for them, but it will still be confusing.
Poor Lamar? The man who was cheating and buying other human beings? The wronged party in this was Kardashian.
But that does not mean they can record him and show him on their show at his lowest point (in the hospital). Nor does it mean they parade him out at Kanye’s fashion show. I’m not saying Lamar is an angel.
How was she wronged? They were divorcing
What Lightpurple said. They were already separated, the paperwork was just going through. And if we’re going to get all indignant and accuse him of cheating at that point can we discuss the fact that she already had another boyfriend at that point?
Some of the commenters here were bang on predicting this.
I think hooking up with the Kardashians saved Kanye here. They sound like they stepped in, for whatever reasons, but they got him help. If he was in his own, with just hangers on, I doubt that would happen. See Azalea Banks. I hope he gets treatment and is well soon.
How did they step in? The Ks were all away at an event. His inner circle is who were with him and got him help. Kim flew back after it happened.
I totally thought it was family. His trainer though, that’s not good. I guess the bright side is he has better people than Banks?
His wife and her family were on the opposite side of the country. His trainer called the police.
His trainer. Like personal trainer. Damn.
Welp there goes that thought. I’m glad Kim came back immediately for him then?
I do believe he would be even worse without the Kardashians, but this isn’t showing that.
I agree. I think his marriage to Kim gave him a family, love and purpose again. He was completely at see after the death of his mother and they provided a safe harbour.
Agreed, and I think without them he would be even messier and this would have happened sooner.
His family means a lot to him, and he seems to mean a lot to Kim as well. I know they are crazy broken people, but I think they do love each other, and are good for each other.
By enabling him?
By not getting him help with his mental issues? Kanye and Rob Kardashian both need help IMO with mental health issues.
In providing that safe harbor they should have encouraged getting counseling for the grief. My daughter lost her fiance to a heroin overdose and she is still in counseling (three years later) because it had such a profound effect on her.
Kim,Kris,Khloe,Kourtney were all in NYC for the Angel Ball.They didn’t “get him help” before they flew to NYC.After he left Sacramento show after three songs and canceled LA show,the Kardashians caught a private jet to NYC.
yes, two other people have also pointed that out.
Hope he’s okay and gets the help he needs. Glad someone had the guts to intervene and get him evaluated.
About time. Glad someone on his team had the decency to do the right thing and try and get him some help.
Hope he gets the help and support he needs, and that he gets to do it in private no KUWTK cameras around.
I hope he accepts treatment.
I already see stories on the daily fail from what I assume is Lucifers home girl slowly smearing him ala Lamar Odom
I saw a headline, didn’t read article, that said Kim was fed up blah, blah, blah and my immediate thought was that this is finally it.
At the end, they start by spreading negative stories that cast the women as saintly for enduring beastly male behaviour followed by divorce.
Easy and fun to blame the K’s, but they aren’t exactly the ones picking a fight with everyone and their aunt. That’s all Kanye. If she wants to leave him based on his erratic behavior…we’ve all seen his behavior, haven’t we? Unless he is a puppet (like apparently Brad Pitt, too) and she has been forcing him to behave this way then I don’t see how she is at fault here.
Cannot believe I am taking up with Kim Kardashian here, but if she’s fed up with his behavior, she’s not wrong. I mean, you’d hope a wife would get her husband help etc, but sorry can’t blame the bad press on her, that’s all him.
They way they do their men when their are longer of any use is amazing, no one is safe not even their brother or father
I don’t like the kardashians but I don’t think you can blame them. These men have problems before entering that family. And they make that choice to life that fake everything is brand kardashian lifestyle which I think says something about the men. A more healthy balanced man would not get involved.
I’m not blaming the K Klan for the men’s behaviour nor am i advocating they stay in bad relationships, i am merely commenting on their MO when exiting a relationship.
No man has left any of them and wasn’t painted as the worst example of manhood that ever lived whilst the women have been such saints for enduring the men.
It’s led to the conclusion that either they deliberately pick troubled men, drive the men towards self-destruction and or the entire family are vampires who destroy any man who joins them. The women’s issues are never aired so the entire thing is very one-sided.
The reality is life happens. Incompatibility. No one is perfect. It takes two. Everyone has their issues.
I sort of agree with Clare and Jess. How can we know that all the stories we’re about to see in the media that paint Kanye in a negative light are going to be a smear from Team Kim when the tabloids always go crazy when a celebrity gets hospitalized or has a mental health problem? I’m also not sure if I agree with the angle that the problems he’s having now are him being ruined by Kim and the others, that he was totally fine before he married Kim but now all of a sudden there’s something wrong. I always have a hard time buying it when a celebrity’s mental health or behavioral problems are attributed to their spouse. The Kardashians do definitely use their relationships for attention though. Hopefully Kanye will get the help that he needs.
Lamar and Kanye had all worlds of trouble before the Kardashians were ever involved.
All Kim and Khloe ever did to those two was try to give them a base for them to place all the worries. Sometimes loving someone isn’t enough. Sometimes you do get fed up or enough can be enough
Kanye has been at peak rant for over a year. I think PMK has kept the worst about him tightly controlled
Lamar ditto – Khloe went through a world of tripe with that man.
Being rich doesn’t buy you happiness or free you from mental illness or addiction. It certainly doesn’t buy you love.
I hate that we have literally no human kindness to extend here
Yet all of Lamar’s drug issues were aired, but not Khloe’s. No dignity for him even where it’s a life or death situation. No one questions why Khloe would do such a thing. She’s rewarded for being ‘caring’ when she’s stripping a man of his dignity for entertainment.
Sad that it was someone outside his own family who finally decided to do something.
For real ! this is exactly what i thought ! how come no one of his family never put him for a psychiatric evaluation ?
Getting an involuntary hold is not something that is easy to do. You can’t just call the police if there is not some imminent threat.
Yes, serious, imminent threat to do harm to oneself or others.
a 5150 hold (involuntary psych hold in California) starts with a call to the police. The person has to be exhibiting a danger to himself or others or the potential for being a danger to himself or others OR gravely disabled (unable to care for oneself) and the police have to witness this. They can then call an ambulance and have the person transported to the hospital for psych evaluation. It has to be explained to them that this is not an arrest and they are allowed to make a phone call. The police and/or ambulance personnel are required to cuff or strap the person to the gurney to maintain safety. Once at the hospital, the person is evaluated by a psychiatrist or qualified clinician. The doctor can then place the person on a 72 hour hold for continuing evaluation.
I totally thought it was his family, because anything else just didn’t compute. Your family should be there for you first, but I guess if things escalated quickly? I’m still having issues with his family not being there apparently.
It is really sad that someone outside had to step in.
My problem is that this did not just escalate quickly. It has been going on for some time.
yes, this doesn’t come from out of the blue. Its incredibly hard, but they should have encouraged/forced him to get help. if it was bad enough a crew member got a psych hold on him, it was bad enough they could have stepped in.
I do think November is a hard month for him, and this year sounds especially hard. That means they should have been watching for signs though. Imagine if your partner was a performer and they did three songs plus a rant at a show? I’d be concerned as hell.
@detrius, this from DM (who got it from TMZ):
TMZ reports that West’s personal doctor called 911 around 1:20 pm, when the Fade rapper started acting ‘erratically’ at the home of his trainer Harley Pasternak – jut hours after cancelling the remaining dates on his Saint Pablo tour.
Dr Michael Farzam told emergency responders that he was placing West on a 5150 hold, which allows a physician to forcible admit a person with a mental disorder to the hospital, because he attacked a staff member at the residence/gym.
His mother’s death was in 2007 and SOMEONE, even himself, should have gotten some him some help sooner than this. If he or anyone else knows that he gets really down in November, then he should be encouraged to talk to someone during that month.
His family wasn’t just down the street. Both his own family and the Kardashians were thousands of miles away. They may have seen him in similar states so often that it didn’t seem unusual and so the Kardashians felt it was okay to leave for one night. He wasn’t alone, he was with others who knew him.
Kanye doesn’t come across as someone that will listen to anyone…he had to be be handcuffed…In my opinion it’s probably difficult for all involved. Its not easy watching a loved one lose their shit and its not always easy to think clearly when someone you care about is having a difficult time. Also, I read on another post that November marks that anniversary of the death of his mother and sometimes it takes a while for things to catch up with you. His success, fame, losing a loved one, marriage, children…. He needs a breather and some down time.
That’s not how it works. Let’s not pass judgement on someone for something so serious that we know nothing about.
Not surprised. I’m only surprised it took this long. Poor guy. Plus he has two young kids ;( I hope he gets proper help.
Sleep deprivation will turn you psychotic. My father didn’t sleep for the month before he died by suicide. I’m glad Kanye’s children have a chance to be spared that experience and hope he gets a proper diagnosis and, if he needs meds, takes them.
I’m so sorry you, and he, had to go through that. What a horrible thing to experience as the child. I truly hope Kanye gets help and gets through this, and that Kim actually ignores her terrible mother and supports him.
I’m sorry for your loss, even if it was a long time ago.
I’m so sorry about your dad, Cannibell.
My severe sleep deprivation was what triggered me to get help for my post-natal depression. It is the best thing I have ever done but it was really just a split second moment where I realised something wasn’t right. I could have easily ignored it and it scares me to think where I might be right now.
As much as I dislike the K’s (Kardashians and Kanye) I don’t wish shitty mental health on anyone.
Thanks, all. It was a lo-n-g time ago – I was 14, my sister 13 and our mother was never the same. Also, because of stigma, she refused to talk about it, which made things much harder for my sister and me. Stigma is still real and out there, but at least now there are more people who are willing to stand up to it.
I also think that Kim & Kanye, stripped of their notoriety and money, would still be a couple. They seem very connected, and that will work in his favor going forward.
Meds and therapy can help everyone. Feel better dude.
How sad and scary. I hope people will hold off on blaming his wife for this – he has shown signs of…instability…for years before he met her and she is clearly going through a tough time of her own right now. I hope people show a little humanity here and can treat them both like human beings. Poor guy. Mental health is a motherf*cker even without the whole world watching/mocking.
Basically I hope Kim has the balls to tell her mother/managers to eff off and not let this become part of the Kardashian media circus.
Well good! He’s needed help for years now so hopefully they can figure out what’s really wrong and deal with it in a healthy way. He really hasn’t been the same since his mom died, which is totally understandable. I was always under the impression that she kept him centered and in check and he’s not had that for 10 years now. There’s something more serious going on but not coming to peace with a death can make you lose your mind. I think it’s a combination of things really.
I’ve always been exasperated by Kanye and have wondered about his mental health, so I feel really hopeful for him now, too. Cynical me fears the Kardashians and his hangers-on. For the sake of his kids I hope he gets well.
What makes it harder for him is that (as he said not too long ago in a lucid moment) he blames himself for his mom’s death because she came out to LA for him. That’s when she got into the plastic surgery stuff, even though it was advised against because of her heart issues. He feels she wouldn’t have done it in a different environment.
I can’t believe I’m sticking up for Kim K but are people seriously blaming her and her family for his behavior? Kanye was like this before he even got with Kim. If Kim decides that it’s best for her and the kids to leave, then that’s her call. For all we know; Kim and others have tried to get Kanye help. And judging by the fact that he had to be restrained and taken away it doesn’t look like he wants it. You can’t help someone who won’t help themself.
Momma Kardashian though is the worst and I won’t stick up for her. But I really think Kim cares for Kanye and I won’t blame this on her. That’s ridiculous.
how do we know that she tried to help him ? Because for all we know his mental just went from bad to worse.
How do you know she didn’t help him though? You guys are honestly so exhausting. Kanye is a grown man. He’s 39. It’s time to stop blaming everything that goes on with him on his wife. As someone who has suffered from mental illness, you’re not making it any better for him by blaming others for why he’s acting like this. The biggest barrier to overcome when dealing with a mental illness is acknowledging that you have one and attempting to get help. By blaming his wife for his mental illness youre giving him an out which is what his fans have been doing for years. Like I said he was like this BEFORE he met Kim. His insanity didn’t just come out once he got with her.
Despite the fact that Kanye has been obsessed with three other women throughout their marriage, constantly harassing one of them, Kim has actually encouraged those obsessions and joined in harassing one of those women. Find the video of her visiting the “art exhibition” of his Famous statues and pointing at her husband’s fantasy of their genitals and cackling.
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I hope he gets whatever help he needs.
I used to love kanye but somethings been off for years.. He never seems happy. It’s sad because unchecked mental health issues can deterioriate the condition. Part of the problem seems to be he surrounds himself with sycophants, whatever he did it was always he is a genius blah blah blah.Even his defenders in this site would say he was a marketing genius when we went off on one of his bizarre rants. They acted like it was all a big joke.
I hope he’ll get the help and relief he needs.
I do think Kim and her family are partially at fault.
Kanye has been spiraling out of control for years.
Instead of helping him they fed on the attention and picked fights.
I would be willing to believe they didn’t provide the needed help more out of ignorance than malice. Plus of course Kris and Kim were very focused on what Kanye could do for them, so they were ready to assume it was his “creative genius” that made him increasingly erratic. Kim is very immature, explaining her egging him on in his obsessions rather than acting like a grownup. Both Kim and Kris have revealed astonishing ignorance about emotional cries for help from Rob, so they really don’t relate to any of this.
Plenty of people have no idea what to do as a member of the family slips deeper and deeper into mental illness. His blood kin didn’t intervene either.
In all honesty, he’s not around his blood kin that much – if ever.
I had a complete mental breakdown a few years ago. There is nothing glamorous or cool about it. If I didn’t have the complete support of my husband, there is no way I would have made it out of it. I hope Kim can stay strong for Kanye and their children. We can all talk crap about him but he seems to really need help. I wish them all the best.
It’s pretty scary stuff so I hope they both go incommunicado for a while to give their family a good shot at healing. Especially after the robbery. Not holding my breath tho.
No one is surprised. Hope he gets the help he needs. That’s all I’m going to say.
He has specifically sung about mental health issues and Lexapro on his albums, so I don’t think this is the first time he has been diagnosed. Who knows if he has been off his meds or if Kim’s attack, anniversary of his mom’s death, etc. just flipped him into a serious episode. Hope he gets better.
Lexapro can actually trigger an episode of mania if you’re bipolar, so if he is bipolar he is on the wrong meditation.
Man, I hope he gets the help he needs and that Kim and the kids are holding up. They’ve had a rough year.
I’m not a fan of his but I feel for him and hope he gets help.
I also think the Kardashians were the worst possible family for him to marry into–manipulative vultures.
But an alarmingly high percentage of actors and musicians are bipolar….their jobs help to hide their disease e.g. dont have to show up every day at 8 am to work just to ahoot one movie for 3 months etc.
i don’t understand this comment. i have bipolar disorder and i have a set work schedule and i also go to school. i don’t have to hide my disorder at all; in fact i’m on disability at my university to help me stay on track. do i need to be sleeping in and not taking any responsibility for my life? am i doing it wrong?
Because you have a regular work schedule, it would be more obvious that you were deteriorating and in most jobs, people don’t expect wild dramatics and other flamboyant eccentricities. But people like Kanye can set their own schedule to some degree, can sleep in or go off alone if feeling off, and are expected to be wild and crazy guys sometimes and moody other times. Look at people’s reactions to his manic disjointed rants – many people assumed it was deliberate and creative. Nobody would assume that about you or me. So it will take longer for people around them to realize there is something wrong.
They only want rich, broken men, this or some mention of it will be on that ratchet show. Their minions will be sending “poor Kim” articles in all day.
hope he gets the help he needs
The only ones I feel sorry for are North and Saint…they are helpless children stuck in this circus of a family. It’s being reported that Kanye tried to assault a staff member at the gym before someone called 911 and he was taken to the hospital for psychiatric eval. Now how many times has this dude put or tried to put his hands on someone? The Kardashians knew this about Kanye and yet no one helped him or cared. WTF? Kim didn’t even care about Rob’s mental issues so I’m assuming she had the same reaction to Kanye’s mental issues. She simply turned her nose.
I hope he gets the best care because he needs it and they can afford it! Invest in your well being, Kenye!! It’s never a bad investment.
FINALLY! It was time! I hope everything goes smoothly from there on.
Maybe substance abuse? Just a thought.
I’m interested to see how Kim deals with Kanye if he does have a mental health condition. When rob was depressed she had very little time for him expecting him to “snap out of it” so I’m wondering how she’ll cope with managing Kanye if he does have bipolar and takes a while to recover.
I’m kind of hoping that between the robbery and this, Kim and Kanye decide they’re done with the tv show. They could retire from the public eye for a long time without any concerns, give their kids a more normal childhood, get therapy and help for the traumas they’ve been through.
I know they signed on for all of this but honestly, can you imagine how wearing it must be to have photographers following you constantly, people speculating wildly about your life, all the pressures and fears that came along with it? I know they thrive on the attention and drama but I could see this being too much. Although I doubt Lucifers Homegirl would allow them to disappear completely.
If he was indeed spending “more time” with Kim and family, wouldn’t they have been the first to notice his behaviour? It took a trainer (who he probably doesn’t see as often) to get him help. That in itself is sad. As “crazy” as Kanye acts, it’s still odd to me how he is able to control his thoughts about the Kardashian/Jenners. He never utters a bad word about them but goes off on everyone else. He seems to be able to control his mind and mouth when he wants to.
Hmm, time to dump him? Psychiatric husband isn’t good for the brand.
Dump him? PMK has a year’s worth of story lines already. Not dumping him for a while, there’s money to be made yet.
That’s true!!! What was I thinking? This has “poor Kim’s year of hell” written all over it ….
this is heartbreaking. mental breaks are so awful. and of course his mother’s death and Kim’s traumatic robbery. I really feel for them, despite their ‘privileged’ lives. Glad they are so there for each other. I hope they fnd out what is going on with him and he gets some real help. I just have a lot of sympathy for their family right now(as in Kim, Kanye and their babies)
He has not been the same since his mother passed. Just so sad and terrible. I don’t know much about him, but I cannot speak negatively about someone with mental issues. Hopefully he gets the help he needs. God be with him, his wife and his two young children.
When I was in college I went through an awful period where I simply could not sleep. I played a sport in college and I would go to practice/training, then classes, repeat and then to the dorms. I went almost 5 days with little or no sleep. I started hallucinating and the trainer for our team had to take me to the hospital. They put my on a psych hold, established I was not on drugs and then gave me something to sleep. I slept for almost two days straight in the hospital. It was one of the scariest experiences I have had (health wise). I am not saying that this is what KWest is going through, but if it is I hope he gets the rest he needs (getting away from the Katrashian Family would be helpful too).
Is anyone else wondering where the little ones are in all this? Dad is having a breakdown, mom is teetering on the edge and now out of town with Aunties and Grandma and the kids, um, what’s up with those little ones? But, didn’t we just see something somewhere where KK wanted another one, oh yes, let’s bring another one into this train wreck.
The kids are probably with the nannies as usual. Where else? Yeah they really don’t need to have another kid, but when you have nannies to take care of them and raise them for you, it’s not hard to have three is it? I think Kim wanting another child was probably just a story line for their show. She wasn’t sure about surrogacy because she was worried she wouldn’t love the third child as much as the two she carried but just a year or so ago she said she was serious about adopting a child…hmmm so she didn’t worry about not loving the adopted child as much as her biological ones? She is confusing.
I think some of Kanye’s family help with the kids. One of Nori’s young nannies is actually her cousin. Kanye’s aunt used to be seen in pics fairly regularly when Nori was very young, obviously doing things with her. They do have more than Kardashians/Jenners as caring relatives.
There is something wrong with Kardashians. With Kardashian ladies.
They all are black widows.
Look-
Lamar Odom – drinking problems, had a stroke.
Scott Disick – drinking problems, substance abuse. Allegedly.
Bruce Jenner …
And now Kanye West.
Hmmmm…
I don’t like these women at all but I think it’s extremely unfair to blame them for the messes their men make. I’m SURE being in a relationship with these women must take a big toll on someone’s soul, but If those men were smart, they would’ve never married a Kardashian in the first place.
I think the issue is these women pick men who have serious problems to begin with. They like broken men, they are easier to control.
Also you might add Rob to that list… But Papa Kardashian – Robert, seemed like a fine and good person.
Also it’s even more amazing that female Kardashians have zero problems with drugs and alcohol. None of them are overdosing or entering rehab. They keep their stuff together.
Pimp Mama Kris drinks like a fish. On the show, she has been shown sipping alcoholic drinks at all hours of the day and night and has been shown drunk. She is most likely an alcoholic. Khloe had a DUI and couldn’t be bothered complying with probation requirements like Drunk Ed, and so narrowly escaped a jail term for probation violation only because of the revolving door at the county jail, especially for celebrities. Her mother wanted to celebrate her quick release by going out for a drink… Khloe has been shown more recently drunk and likely drugged. Her failed talk show was centered around everybody drinking alcohol. I suspect she was happily indulging in drugs right along with Lamar, and that’s the secret he threatened to spill if they kept using him on their show (just before he overdosed). The Jenner girls likewise have been shown under the influence even while underage.
Kim doesn’t seem to drink alcohol often , although in recent years I’m not as sure that she is drug and alcohol free. Kourtney used to be quite the party girl but she seemed to mostly settle down after she had her first child.
Caitlin Jenner being Transgender is not a character flaw nor is it something situational. It is biological. There’s no fault at play, it is who she is and it should not be weaponized as an insult to her or anyone around her. Both Lamar and Scott are in recovery and doing better than ever. Kanye is getting the help he needs. I’m not a fan of this family but your comment was unnecessary.
They aren’t to blame for their problems, but they are to blame for choosing men WITH those problems.
I truly hope you are not met with the same judgement in your own life for the problems belonging to yourself or someone else you care for. You’re not a better person, nor do you have better judgement, just because your life experiences are different.
Scout, that’s a rather harsh and unnecessary judgement to make about me. The women are responsible for their choices in men. However, they are not responsible for causing Lamar’s addiction or Caitlin being transgender, etc, as the OP suggests. That was the point I was trying to make.
Sorry but the excuse of him losing his mother is really getting overplayed by people. Most of us have lost a parent, spouse, child or someone else very important to us but have never acted like he does. He flips out on a regular basis. I personally think he probably has histrionic personality disorder and/or is bi-polar. He needs serious mental health treatment and maybe now he will get it.
I’m not sure if people are using it as an excuse as much as an explanation.
I still think the primary cause for Kanye’s behavior is his circle of “friends” and his ammount of money. He gets his ego stroked by everyone around him and with the money he has he can virtually do whatever he wants. Of course he thinks the world revolves around him – HIS world revolves around him.
As a psychiatrist, I hesitate to diagnose someone I don’t treat, but at a glance, I have always thought his symptoms resembled schizoaffective disorder – bipolar type.
I was thinking Manic Depressive with Psychotic Features.
Are you a mental health professional as well?
Yes, I deal specifically with inpatient diagnosis.
I lean towards schizoaffective disorder due to the delusions he appears to present with. I would have to actually spend time with him to truly figure it out.
It’s commonly assumed that his mother was able to help stabilize him in some way, probably just due to his deep love and respect for her. Sometimes a spouse can do that. So when he lost his mom, he lost his stabilizer and his underlying illness started to get worse. It wasn’t the normal loss of a parent. He also unfortunately feels responsible for her death, that she wouldn’t have felt the pressure for plastic surgery if she hadn’t come out to be closer to him.
Praying for everyone involved. Watching someone you love having to be restrained for their own safety is something you don’t get over. Passing judgement on Kanye or the Kardashians for this is repulsive.
Best wishes to Kanye and his family. Knowledge is the first step.
He’s been off the rails since his mother died. The press has cooed over his increasingly erratic behavior. His obvious mental illness, aggressions, obsessions, delusions of grandeur have all been touted as a sign of his “genius”. While I despise his behavior and his music, I hope he gets the help he desperately needs.
Dear God. This is so sad. All I can think of is those poor childeren. A father with mental illness and a narcisist mannequen for a mom. The devil’s main minion for only granny is not that great too. There is hoping only that Kanye gets the help he needs and falls back into some kind of normality.
He seems to be a very paranoid person. Schizophrenic maybe? I hope he gets the help he needs and I actually feel a little bad for Kim because she went through enough trauma with the robbery, and now this too.
I think most of us saw this coming. I hope he gets the help he needs.
Apparently, he attacked someone, which resulted in the emergency calls. He might be facing civil and criminal charges as a result with the former being more likely. I’ve always maintained this man’s obsession with several other people was dangerous and that a few should consider restraining or no contact orders. Hoping his victim was not hurt and grateful that his usual targets we’re nowhere near him. May he get the help he desperately needs.
Apparently, he attacked someone, which resulted in the emergency calls. He might be facing civil and criminal charges as a result with the former being more likely. I’ve always maintained this man’s obsession with several other people was dangerous and that a few should consider restraining or no contact orders. Hoping his victim was not hurt and grateful that his usual targets we’re nowhere near him. May he get the help he desperately needs.
1. Kim’s long absence from social media does make be believe she was assaulted during the break in and will keep that private(as many survivors do).
2. Kanye needs help.
I don’t think people blaming the Kardashians for not getting him help understand what it takes to get a psych hold put on someone. You can be around someone struggling with mental illness for decades and never witness anything that would get you close to that level. Basically you need them to attempt suicide or threaten it, or attack someone or threaten to. And as far as the threats go, if it was just a single sentence (as opposed to say, threatening to kill yourself while holding a knife to your wrist or writing threatening letters), and the person was calm or has calmed down massively by the time the authorities arrive, even that might not be enough.
Saying weird stuff, not sleeping, losing your grip on reality etc. isn’t enough. You can try and get them into therapy, try and get them to admit themselves to a psych ward, try and get them to take their meds, but end of the day you have no control. All you can do is attempt to help and give them options. If they won’t help themselves, that’s it though, all you can do is wait.
Kanye has always been a mess. Even before his mothers death he had some major delusions of grandeur and was prone to incoherent ranting and feuding. It’s not like it was all peachy until he lost his mom. Everything I’ve heard about his life pre-fame suggests he had some issues even in high school. After his mothers death he added some major alcohol issues into the mix. For a couple of years he was ok with Kim. The drinking stopped, the delusions were more of the semi-based in reality sort and he was productive.
He spirals when his work comes out. He always has. The praise boosts his ego sky high, his insecurities get brought out by the criticism, and the collision of both those things creates a perfect storm.
Kanye has been under the delusion that Jay Z was going to have him “whacked”. He thought someone was going to kill him. Obviously untreated mental illness, however, he believes Jay Z does stuff like this for a reason.
Meanwhile, on her end, Kim is setting the stage for a divorce.
I hope this is not exploited on that train wreck of a show.
I hope he gets the help he needs.
It can be extremely difficult to live with an untreated mentally ill person. Sometimes divorce is the only solution when the mentally ill person will not commit to treatment/will not stay on medication.
And there are those with “dual disorder” – which is an underlying mental illness or emotional disturbance combined with substance abuse.
Only Kim knows what being married to this man is like. Some of the things I’ve read seem to be saying they have not been living together.
The only thing the Kardashian-Jenners are guilty of is enabling Kanye’s behaviour.
Kanye is the reason Kendall has a career in modelling & also, the Kardashian-Jenners family are invited to high fashion social events. You could say they are in his debt, hypothetically speaking.
Kim doesn’t seem to have a grasp or understanding of mental health (ie. She expected her brother to snap out of it when isn’t that simple.) The mother seemed to have looked the other way and buried her head in the sand whilst Rob battled his mental health troubles and still is.
I do find it odd that despite his on stage meltdown the Kardashians proceeded to head to New York.
Not a fan of the guy by any means, I sincerely wish him and his family well whilst he gets the help he needs to get better for himself and for his kids. I will say this Kanye looks happier and content when he is around his kids. I hope this isn’t exploited for their dwindling show.