Kanye West spent Thanksgiving at UCLA Medical Center. His hospitalization began on Monday, when he had some kind of breakdown and his private physician either urged Kanye to accept help, or Kanye was admitted into psychiatric care against his will, whatever you choose to believe. TMZ reported on Wednesday that Kanye would be staying at UCLA “until at least week’s end,” and that Kim Kardashian and the rest of the family have been to see him throughout the week. The Kardashians seem to be telling their side of the story to People Magazine almost exclusively though, and People has a slew of exclusive quotes from “sources” about Kanye’s kurrent kondition. Some highlights:
Sources maintain is was all about sleep deprivation. Kim has reportedly been by his side almost the entire time this week. A source says Kanye is “now starting to feel more like himself. He understands that getting help at the hospital was necessary. He is resting and getting help. They are taking it day by day.” He’s also being described as “grateful” for the help and already doing a lot better.
Kanye was in a really bad place. Sources say the people around Kanye are “still trying to wrap their heads around what is going on” and “Kanye was not in a good place when he checked into the hospital. A lot is still up in the air.”Kim left him alone Wednesday night. I would assume that she probably wasn’t allowed to stay overnight? She left UCLA Wednesday night and returned Thursday to see him. As for the kids, North and Saint, they’ve been with nannies and (probably) grandma Kris Jenner. Reportedly, even before Kanye’s breakdown, Kim has been living partially at her mom’s house since the Paris robbery anyway.
Meanwhile, Page Six added a new wrinkle of not-so-nice speculation to all of this. Their sources claim that Kanye is just pretending to have a mental breakdown so he can collect the insurance money after cancelling his Saint Pablo tour. The tour was well-insured, and apparently the insurance covers medical emergencies like “temporary psychosis from sleep deprivation,” which is what Kanye’s people claim is happening. This theory – that Kanye is crazy like a fox and collecting a big check – reminds me a lot of the theories about Kim’s Paris robbery. I don’t think Kim and Kanye are the most ethical people in the world, but I also think it’s crazy to think that Kanye was carted off to UCLA in handcuffs as part of some kind of insurance scheme. Especially since we’ve all been witnessing his breakdown in real time, you know?
Photos courtesy of WENN.
We are talking about tenths of millions of dollars here… he has real expenses, he has to pay for huge diamond rings to console his wife, for example… they are so fishy (the klan to which he belongs To now, that I wouldn’t put it past them.
It kind of makes him look bad, but they are trying to control the narrative, “sleep deprivation only” my butt.
It’s like the Lamar problem IMO. It was a real problem that was played for profit.
Yeah idk. Both Kim and Kris are basically anti-therapy and (at least until Kim’s robbery) haven’t been sympathetic to others with mental illness (rob, anyone?) I can absolutely believe that they’re feeding this “he was just exhausted” crap to People.
Are they anti therapy? Kim said she was going to get some therapy after her robbery due to the trauma.
@Patricia, I understand what Anon33 is saying as Kim was the one that basically told Rob to “suck it up” when he was going through his problems.
And if this was something that was building slowly, like sleep deprivation, wouldn’t Kim have been aware of it when she was leaving for New York? Very few people just snap out of the blue, usually you have a sense it’s coming.
@swak oh yeah now that you say that, I remember that too. So I guess maybe she’s cool with therapy only when it applies to her? Typical.
I don’t buy all this they are telling their story though sources vie People. They are all on social media. They seem to be very vocal and put their own things out. People Mag is a rag like all others. and I don’t buy that they have an insight on much these days. Just copying and pasting what they get from other sources. The Kardashian have no problem speaking on the record through their many Social Media accounts.
It is clear that Kanye needs some help. All the random rants. Hopefully he will get it. He has children and a family to think about.
They are at the heart of a media empire, they use all outlets for their brand, it would be naive to assume they don’t feed stories and quotes to the media constantly, think about it, they have millions riding on their brand, just like Kanye, they have every reason in the world to keep a constant stream of mis-information flowing to the public, every opposite quote creates interest, controversy and clicks.
His mental health problems have been apparent for some time to anyone with eyes. That twitter meltdown about needing millions from Mark Zuckerberg, so instead of him sending the money to aid efforts in the developing world Kanye could make “really dope stuff”, spoke volumes. As did the Trump ramble, after he’s a known donor to Clinton. He’s not a well guy.
I think Kim does actually love him a lot. The way she took Taylor Swift down on his behalf was impressive. Whether she’s willing to stay after she’s coped with that robbery (which has to have been absolutely terrifying) and instead of dealing, she’s having to support him, who can say.
I dunno. This is like the Jolie-Pitt implosion, in that I find it hard to gossip about it because it’s too close to the bone. I prefer Hiddleston and Swift levels of gossip, where it’s just laughable. This is miserable. I hope he gets better and I hope this family have a better 2017. Nobody deserves their recent events, rich and famous or not.
The takedown was to promote Kim’s snapchat account and her TV show. If she cared about defending him, it would have happened five months earlier when it was relevant not when she had a new season to promote.
This!
Oh, okay. I know zilch about the Kardashians other than what’s written on here, tbh. I don’t even know if their show is on any mainstream British channel, but I don’t think so. I know a bit more about Kanye, for obvious reasons – he actually produces something of value.
I still think he needs a lot of help, and I hope he gets it.
I think it was a mix of both: the Kardashian need for attention and self-promotion and the Kardashian “You won’t get away with doing that to one of us” mentality, (although Khloe is the one most known for that, I think most of them are a little bit like that.)
Great post, K2, and I have to agree. People will always find reasons to suspect the motives of Kim and Kanye, and though I usually agree about her commercial motives for nearly everything she does, I think these two have been though hell following Kim’s horrible experience with armed robbers invading her apartment and rousting her from sleep at gunpoint (yes, I believe it was real), and Kanye’s mental health has seemed precatious anyway ever since Donda died, so what would have been a life-altering trauma for anyone has become exactly that for them both, exacerbated by the strain of Kanye’s tour and Kim’s fear of being left alone while he had to be away. It’s not really such a hard thing to understand, and anyone — even a Kardashian, and even the volatile Kanye — deserves some compassion right now.
The problem with Kanye’s version of the story is that the question “did he do this for insurance money?” and comparing it to “Kim’s Paris insurance scam theory” came first, and then it turned out the tour was insured for exactly this and he will be collecting money. So it does make everybody just go “I told you so”. And with Kanye asking for money last year (or was it early this year?), then one robbery people speculate is a fraud, and now another incident where insurance money is involved … It’s hard not to think somehting is fishy. It could be just bad timing, but I think a lot of people will be left unconvinced. The damage is done.
That being said, Kanye does need professional help.
I honestly think that nothing is genuine or not calculated in that family. They play victim far too often and the discrepancies between what they say and do are just too many to ignore.
Spot on!!!
These are my exact thoughts. I don’t know if they have made up the robbery and the need for hospitalization. That’s how little they practice the currency of truth.
That said, Kanye is undoubtedly mentally ill and needs serious help. The whole family operate on such a alien level of fame whoring and dishonesty that they all could use some serious therapy.
It’s impossible to know what’s going on from the outside but, I know insurance companies, they will not pay out millions to anyone without a very thorough investigation. If either of these two events were orchestrated as insurance scams, they are playing a dangerous game.
That’s what I was thinking too, if there is reason for suspicion, the insurance company will investigate before writing a big check.
Yes but it is very tricky. You can’t prove a negative and to not award in a case of involving a 5150 hold you are calling into question the judgement of medical professionals. While it is easy to malinger and get a 5150 hold by telling a doctor that you feel you are an imitate threat to yourself and/or others, have the means and desire to harm people or take your own life they will take you at your word. If you resist checking in of your own volition, they will ensure you stay. Better safe than sorry, 72 hours in a lockdown, well run psychiatric hospital is extremely unlikely to do great harm and any small risk is greatly outweighed by the threat you pose to society and yourself. Also, if you are willing to lie to get in and play act like you don’t want to stay likely something extreme is causing that. Even the most luxe hospital psychiatric ward is not and enjoyable experience. It is serious and intense therapy, medication, monitoring, ECT in extreme cases. It isn’t massages and horseback riding like some rehabs and voluntary extended treatment centers. So that is a big stumbling block.
Then add to it this would be litigated. It would cost money for lawyers, lost income from clients scared that they may have to make private medical records public to insure a payout, it would be a tough case even with the lowered bar of civil court. If they lost they have to pay not only whatever the payout was supposed to be but possibly his legal bills (expert witness, court costs, ect), probably some payout for slander because this is a serious accusation for a company to publicly level at a celebrity. It also would turn off more clients because the celebrities and movie studios don’t want their personal issues made public or to lose out on a settlement because the company doesn’t conduct competent and thorough investigations before making accusations that could have serious repercussions.
In Kim’s case, unless she is dumb enough to start wearing the jewelry again how do you prove something wasn’t stolen?
And when your husband is in hospital for a mental breakdown, what his wife and sister do?
Grab each other’s ass on a beach while half naked for a Yeezy photoshoot, of course!
Their ass are gross I can’t even. With the thongs pushed so far up the crack.. their ass look like giant shaven scrotums.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3969420/Kim-Kardashian-Khloe-s-battle-booty.html
They are seriously sick in the head.
I’m stuck at the fact that the moth-eaten sweater costs 631,77 pound sterling.
The pictures were taken earlier weren’t they. Or are they recent.
Does it matter? The time of release of these pictures is inappropriate to say the least.
They probably were taken before Kanye’s hospitalization. And yes, the timing matters since people are criticizing her for doing that while Kanye is ill. But I doubt that she did the pics that recently. She probably has been spending that time in the hospital. If he had to stay over Thanksgiving, he’s not in great shape.
Obviously somebody released the pictures.It doesn’t matter when they were taken,what matters is when they were released , by whom and why?
The siblings star in a just-released fashion shoot for Yeezy Season 3 in 032c, a German bi-annual ‘contemporary culture’ magazine.
The pair are picture wearing very revealing body suits while rolling around in the dirt.
Kanye ‘conceptilzed’ the shoot and it was taken in the construction zone of the huge Casabas compound he has been renovating with his wife.
The photographs were taken by esteemed fashion photographers Mert Alas and Marcus Piggott.
The magazine comes out twice a year. The magazine was probably already printed before this all went down. They can’t control their release date and the magazine isn’t going to hold off because one of the many designers whose clothes, such as they are, is having personal and medical problems.
Yes it matters, if Kim posted this to capitalize on the public’s attention on her husband as he struggles with mental health issues that would be beyond the pale. Even for them.
A German magazine releasing them as scheduled? I doubt she knew the exact publication date or would invest energy in a fruitless attempt to get them to push back their publication date. For the fashion world life goes on.
However, the photos do display distinct lack of taste, timing aside.
The “concept” of the photo shoot was Kanye’s. Which means this is the second time in recent months,, that disgusting video being the other, that he has opted to portray his wife as a giant, naked arse.
If only kim could see this.
And “Kanye ‘conceptilzed’ the shoot”!
His medical diagnosis is too much conceptilzing.
His mother taught English?
@Lindsey
YES!!! Those photos are AWFUL.
Her bootie looks like two fat pancakes smashed together.
The most unattractive scene, in dirt. Gawd.
Does it not make sense that Kanye noticed he was getting MEGA bad press for endorsing Trump and his weirdo rants – that he was sort of ‘over’ the tour anyway, and decided to play the ‘exhausted’ card to: 1. Get out of the rest of the tour 2. Get loads of insurance cash 3. Be able to explain away his ‘Trump is great’ comments 4. Come out of ‘treatment’ with a renewed respect for mental health issues and be labeled a ‘survivor’ which would garner loads of sympathy in the press and with the general public. This is a GENIUS move if indeed it was calculated. If it was all genuine, I wish him only the best, and a swift return to wellness.
Yeaaah, exactly. All this hand-wringing of “Kanye’s real-time breakdown / his troubling new antics” don’t cut it. He’s been doing and saying problematic things for YEARS. It is all really who he is, and nothing he has done this year (apart from this hospitalization) has been out of the norm for what Kanye is and has been for a very, very long time.
Unusual behavior would be him suddenly going full philanthropic / altruistic / non-materialistic / etc. While I believed the Kim Paris robbery, I find these new developments with Kanye (tour cancellation, hospitalization) to be very convenient / spin for the hard hit to his reputation and career. If this is all wrong then I’m just being terrible and I apologize, but…. eh. I just don’t believe it.
It is sad, that they have such horrible reputations for not being truthful, or ethical, that most of us think “I wouldn’t put anything past these two”….and I wouldn’t!
…”so he can just collect the insurance money”–just like the (cough) robbery.
Last click ever on anything Kanye or Kardashian.
Sorry but I don’t understand the fraud claims. It’s one thing to manipulate situations and be attention seeing but a completely different thing to be criminal. Do people really think that insurance companies are going to just give away millions of dollars? They will probably do a more thorough investigation than the police.
Especially since Kanye is at a HOSPITAL, probably held in their psychiatric ward where DOCTORS, who took oaths and probably love their careers, are treating him for whatever he is suffering from. Saying this is fraud is akin to saying UCLA commits fraud with their patients and health insurance.
+1
Doctors can be bought too. Not saying his are, just that some doctors indulge rich people anything they desire and earn heavy money doing it. So I see no problem with doctors signing false papers (although I hope it’s not true), especially in a relatively simple matter like this one, if Kanye is well in truth (there are no heavy drugs involved that could be adiminstred wrongly, no deaths could occur etc.).
People also lie to doctors.
Crox I so agree with you. There are corrupt people in all professions. But I somehow doubt this would happen in a hospital, where they are more liable. Maybe I’m naive, but that’s what I think.
Lightpurple – YES, but a psychotic break or even a hint of mental illness is not something a patient can lie about and get away with unless the Psych is an idiot.
You guys must not know Kanyes industry. Vulnerability is generally frowned upon which is why every other song is about how wealthy and sexually active you are. You know who gets successful by playing up mental challenges? White rappers. For everyone else it just becomes a point of attack. If you are lucky, people forget and you change to subject. See Kid Cudi and before him Kendrick Lamar.
Kreme, I understand that. But this isn’t a music industry issue (if it’s an issue at all, of course, we don’t know that). If Kanye is indeed committing a fraud (I didn’t think of that until I read it here, and honestly I don’t think he is), this probably means he needs money and that he also feels he won’t be able to get a desired amount from his music (and fashion). In this case he probably wouldn’t care what his industry thinks, he just needs millions, and fast.
While I dislike Kim to the core ever since she took advantage of Kanye’s reputation and went after Swift for her own personal gain, I always thought Kanye was not mean-spirited. (Unlike her.) That’s why I’m not convinced the robbery was real but I can believe his struggles are.
I also don’t trust the Kardashians, Kim’s out of the news, so somebody else has to be covered for them not to loose momentum. I think they’re doing it at Kanye’s expense, intentionally. If his ilness is real, it shouldn’t be public, And to make matters worse, most of the news I read are not even about him, they’re about how Kim is standing my his side. It’s terrible.
@Cee – That isn’t true in the US the criteria is pretty easy to lie about and they are jeopardizing their career if a patient comes out and says ‘I feel that I am an imminent threat to myself and/or others.’ That is a pretty low bar to clear. Ethically and legally they have to take that seriously, even if they have doubts. However, usually people who malinger to get admitted to a hospital psychiatric ward it isn’t like doctor shopping solely to get pills or get attention. Usually something is genuinely wrong and they will work to determine the root cause that motivated them to act out in such an extreme way. People have done it so they can be separated from their abuser (psych wards have enforced visiting hours) because they are suffering from abuse and too scared to come out and say it with their abuser present. People who are seriously overwhelmed sometimes do it. The stress and exhaustion becomes to much to take and they buckle while feeling like they have a “legitimate” excuse. ER doctors usually just do a brief psychiatric history ask if they feel they are an imminent threat and have them admitted and then a psychiatrist takes over.
In Kanye’s case due to his erratic behavior they would want to hold him for observation anyway. Most people underreport major psychiatric conditions, especially when they are smart and lucid. Even if the doctor felt something was off, the 5150 hold means they leagaly have to keep him for 72 hours and can’t confirm or deny his condition to the public. The insurance company would be granted access to pertinent medical records.
Yep, apparently insurance companies do! In all seriousness though, I worked in insurance for years (adjusting side, so the people who would be reviewing Kanye’s claim) and it is incredibly difficult to commit insurance fraud. You can’t just lie to the doctor and think it’ll work. Insurance companies have their own ways of investigating. They aren’t just going to willingly pay out millions to cover the loses of the cancelled concerts.
Years ago the statistic was 2% to 3% of Worker’s Comp cases were successfully proven to be malingering. This is similar but on a larger scale. Other than obvious things that can be proven through diagnostic tests, eg an arm is broken or it isn’t and an x-ray is definitive proof, the most common subjective symptom malingerers played up was pain. Then through the insurance company borderline stalking/undercover surveillance they catch them performing task they should not be able to and otherwise acting in a way inconsistent with their symptoms. There is something wrong with Kanye. No psychiatrist is going to hear the symptoms and history, talk with him and come out with no diagnosis. However, determining what exactly he is suffering from, the best course of treatment, and if there were truly some onset of symptoms that made him unable to fulfill his contractual obligations is not going to be clear cut. Different doctors will come up with different answers and it doesn’t mean he is faking it or trying to commit insurance fraud. Unfortunately, psychiatric diagnosis and treatment is still more of an art than a science in many ways. However most lucid people, especially if they are of above average intelligence are more likely to under report symptoms than over report. Admitting he has a problem is a big blow to his ego. The “sleep deprivation” maybe a way to mitigate it and cushion the blow. Being honest with yourself can be difficult in these situations and he has millions of people watching on top of everything else.
Also, why are we just assuming Kanye gets to pocket every cent? Tours cost money, and he had obligations, possibly he has to honour some employment contracts…it’s not as simple as quitting a tour mid-way and making bank.
Something is not right here. Not sure what but if he is still in the hospital it is more than sleep deprivation/dehydration. Also, most hospitals allow for the spouse to spend the night. I just don’t understand why this is so public except for the attention it is bringing to the family. They are milking it for all it is worth just like they did Lamar’s health situation.
Yes to this 1000%.
I am not a Kanye fan to say the least, but this is ridiculous. It’s just awful they are spilling details.
On a psych unit there are limited visiting hours and friends/family cannot stay over.
There are many wards that do not accommodate a spouse spending the night.
@MrsBadBob &@Roxy, I assumed that he was in an ultraprivate room, if for no other reasons than security. Also while there may be visiting hours, I’m sure hospitals make exceptions for people. Also, DM (taken with a grain of salt) reported that Kim was there 24/7 since Monday and why mention that she did not stay there Wed night specifically and not say she didn’t spend Mon or Tues there also. It just seems weird.
No, not in a psychiatric ward. The rules are the rules. The protocol put in place in all put in place for a reason. You need to break old patterns, you need to be able to feel like you can say what you are going through to an outsider and reveal things you might be to ashamed to say in front of others. Also retreating into your room is frowned upon. Participating in various activities and group therapy is important, it helps you realize you are not alone in this even if you don’t share, also introspection is important and figuring out what about your life is no longer working and changes you need to make. Visitors hinder that.
he has money problems, he has ego problems and I can be behind the scam for insurance as well. They’ve been renovating their house bought 2 years ago and it’s still no finished or if you believe TMZ when it is Kanye doesn’t like it and they have to start from the beginning all the while Kim is footing the bill. I think Kanye doesn’t have enough money for his endeavours and his folie des grandeurs. He expects people too foot the bill for his visions. And also believe that the rant against Bey and Z came back to bit him in the arse. I mean he practically said that Z sent some people to get his head chopped and is pleading for Z to call them back whatever the disillusions he had. I dont think that the Carter liked to be called Killers you know.
Yes…and, I seem to recall reading about their new house having SOLID GOLD toilets….yeah, he is nutty enough to try and pull an insurance scam!
The gold toilets were in their previous house, which they never completed.
Jesus Christ.
Anyone with at least 2 of their 5 senses can see that Kanye West is mentally unstable and has been for a very long time.
As for the whole “This is the way Kanye has always been so he has to be faking it,” argument, EXACTLY. This is the way he has always been. As in, he’s been showing signs of mental illness for a long time, and it’s high time he got help.
Some of you guys never cease to amaze me with the lack of compassion you have for these people. As in, human people. Because they are human, believe it or not. Just when I think it can’t get worse than accusing a woman of faking a robbery that has obviously deeply traumatized her, you accuse a man of faking a mental illness that he clearly has.Do you know how bad that is for other people who actually have mental illnesses? Do you know that you’re setting a precedent by saying, oh, he’s faking it for money? So then it becomes okay to say, oh she’s just faking it for attention, etc etc.
Listen, I get that you think the Kardashians are cheap, trashy, and famewhorey. I get that it irks you that they rose to fame on the back of their fathers name and their sister’s sex tape. I get that you find their monetizing of everything distasteful. I get that you aren’t here for their gaudy lifestyle. That’s understandable. But none of what they’re doing is a crime, and I just don’t understand why you’re so mad at them that you cannot find any human compassion for them at all. What have they done to hurt you? They’re relatively harmless, other than promoting beauty standards that aren’t attainable through anything other than plastic surgery. But I would argue that Kris Jenner is the only one that really deserves your ire, because she’s the reason they all are they way they are. She’s the only truly evil one. Either way, God this makes me sad.
Well said. I agree 100% with you. You can hate the Kardashians and all that they stand for, but that doesn’t mean they are going to commit insurance fraud. The deterioration of Kanye’s mental health has been well documented on this site for YEARS. It’s not a joke or a scam. It’s real and I hope he is finally getting real help for his problems.
Thank you @shambles you said everything I was thinking…let’s be compassionate, especially a day after thanksgiving!!
It’s not about whether we have compassion or not. It’s about the fact that the K klan have made this sad situation a hot news and another revenue source and that everyone talks about it.
About how Kim is a great wife because she ditched some event and stayed with her husband about the fact that it needs to be news that the guy spent Thanksgiving Day in a hospital like millions of people who didn’t get all that attention.
We are genuinely sad for this poor guy but the fact that this has become a hot topic is appalling and we can only blame the K klan for making it that way.
And it really makes us sad.
+1000
Well said Shambles
Amen Shambles. A-freaking-men! I’m no fan of the Kardashians or Kanye but this level of vitriol and conspiracy theorizing has me SMH.
Shambles, I don’t consider them harmless. Their obsession with plastic surgery, superficiality on every level regarding monetary things is beyond harmful to young women and teens in Kylie’s case. That’s all they do on instragram, show altered versions of themselves. They have millions of young fans. They are the worst role models. Disgusting family.
I do think Kanye is ill and it’s been escalating for some time. The evil Ks didn’t force him to get help, probably just enabled him, but at least others got him help.
I think the K’s failure to push for Kanye to get help was more out of ignorance than malice. Demon Mother and Kim especially have never acted as though they understood such issues, for example with Rob who has several disorders. His obsessive/compulsive diagnosis was discussed on Khloe/Lamar’s show, I remember seeing a bit where Khloe said to him that it explained a lot about how he acted. He certainly has acted as though clinical depression is involved as well. But in one episode where apparently they were all in on a session between Rob and a counselor (I think, only saw bits and pieces), Rob was obviously in big distress and his mother and Kim were very dismissive. He ran out of the room and Khloe went after him, Kourtney stayed but looked very worried. Those two are the ones with the ability to feel and empathize in good working order, Kris and Kim not really.
Kourtney has mentioned being in therapy herself but she probably isn’t too close to Kanye. The ones close to him are the empathy-lackers (Kris and Kim) who don’t know what they are looking at except that it is interfering with their own lives now. I don’t know if Kim is coming around to a new understanding of such things since she was traumatized herself and sought regular counseling. But she might make a distinction between such help for reaction to a traumatizing incident vs help for an ongoing problem like Kanye’s (although his bad accident and his mother’s death a few years later should qualify as traumatizing incidents).
We do not know that he is mentally unstable. We do not know him at all. You are welcome to come down harshly on others for their attitudes but you too are engaging in making a lot of assumptions about a situation that we actually know nothing about. We are not psychiatrists or psychologists or doctors and even those of us who are, are not in a position to make a meaningful diagnosis about his behavior. It is not helpful to the mental health crisis in this country to act like we know everything about a person and their perceived mental illness because of a few publicized incidents. It is inappropriate to equate these two privileged individuals to those who are actually afflicted by mental illness and act like the compassion owed to others is being withheld from them, shame on you. Invoke Jesus all you like but look to whom he choose to share his compassion in his lifetime, with the meek, the poor, the rejected, the afflicted, and the privileged were always welcome but he asked them to forsake their love of money. This from an avowed agnostic, btw, but I am sick to death of false Christianity, learn the man’s lesson or stop invoking his name.
I would say being involuntarily committed to a psych ward does give us more than a hint that mental instability is at play. That’s the one thing we do know.
As for whether or not it is a longer term issue – yeah, for anyone who has family members struggling with bipolar or schizophrenic delusions, the pattern is pretty apparent in Kanye. It isn’t diagnosing him to note that there are some warning signs and to be confident that psych intervention is the right course of action. If someone is coughing and sneezing, I might ask if they have a cold. If someone has gone manic and I’m hearing reliably that they have delusions, I might similarly comment on mental health assumptions. Its part of destigmatising, and doesn’t leap into concern trolling.
He has my sympathy, and I am glad he is getting help. This doesn’t take away from the issues of others struggling with similar problems who don’t have his resources, who in many ways have a harder path to walk.
Shambles, this was so well said – thank you.
This is a celebrity gossip site. It’s normal to try to figure out what’s going on with such people based on limited information. Cats play with string, humans try to spin theories and predict the future based on collected bits of information. That’s just a human thing and the basis of many human activities such as Pokemon collecting and sports stats arguing and political polls, not to mention practically the entire university curriculum. The conversation can be very useful because it often brings in personal experiences that are relevant. We know we can be entirely off base since there is so much we don’t know even about the shareaholic Kardashians. But we can’t resist doing it any more than a cat can resist a dangling string. It’s in our nature.
I always know that when it comes to these people having problems the comments are usually always gross and insensitive. Speculating that this man is doing this to get out of the remaining 21 dates on his tour? MIND BLOWING. Like it’s just obscene at this point.
Thank you Shambles!
You really Said it all and I totally
Agree.
@Shambles: Agreed. I also don’t get the logic behind some people’s argument that because the Kardashians are willing to lie about plastic surgeries and relationships, they must also be willing to fake a robbery and a stay in a psych ward. Those are different levels of lying with different levels of risk. Relationships and plastic surgery are probably two of the most common things people in Hollywood are dishonest about in some way anyway.
Well, this summer he did take out a loan for 2 million dollars. Then was the mysterious diamond heist which has sort of… come to nothing. Except for the 5 million insurance payout. And now another insurance payout for up to 10 million dollars.
All in less than 6 months.
All less than a year after Kanye declaring he was practically broke.
I have no idea what’s going on but I sure can understand why people are asking questions.
My ex was bipolar and was hospitalized several times for having psychotic episodes and to be honest I have wondered many times over the years if Kanye was also bipolar and having episodes of psychosis. He has demonstrated many of the same signs that I saw in my ex over the years. I wonder if the people doubting his mental illness have ever had someone close to them be bipolar and have a bad episode. Or have witnessed any one in their lives with severe mental illness that had to be hospitalized.
This. Totally agree.
THIS.
Kanye seems to have been acting manic for longer and longer periods, and in the manic phase sleep isn’t so easy. They are so “up” all the time. So I can see that he could have had severe sleep deprivation recently that led to psychosis (hopefully temporary).
If there’s an insurance payout most of the money will go to the promoters, not Kanye. Plus this will make it much more expensive for him to be insured for any future tours, not to mention the money he’s losing on merchandise sales (successful tours can be extremely profitable). So committing insurance fraud makes no sense.
The story in People also makes no sense. You don’t get hospitalized in a psych ward for that long for simple sleep deprivation. UCLA has one of the top psych clinics in the world, if they are keeping him hospitalized for this long it must be mental illness related and serious. Psych beds are at a premium, they don’t just keep you in for funsies.
It sounds to me like the Klan is in a bit of a panic. The only reason Kim got a Vogue cover was because of Kanye. His fame really elevates their brand. If it turns out that he has a serious mental illness they are kind of screwed in terms of exploiting his status.
Pfft. There you go with the reasonableness and sense making.
TMZ stated his insurance would cover his losses also, i.e. approx $30 mill that he was anticipated to earn. It’s not just to cover the bills.
But there’s still the impact on future tours which will be enormous. Kanye healthy and touring is a much bigger moneymaker in the long term than Kanye screwing promoters and the public.
His insurance not only covered expenses but his profits as well according to TMZ.
The scariest part about this whole deal with Kanye? Is how much information TMZ is getting from “sources” . TMZ seems to have its tentacles all over the place or someone in the family is leaking information which makes it worse.
Carey: I have been in the UCLA psych ward (NPI) for depression, and it is FAR from being one of the top mental clinics in the world. It was disordered, ineffective, and the staff was rude and fairly unkind and disrespectful. There is a lot of cutting edge research going on there, at UCLA, involving psychotropic and other treatments for mental illness, and those research programs are superb–but not the UCLA human care mental clinic itself. You’re right there is probably something seriously wrong w Kanye, for when someone is kept there over a week, the illness must be fairly impairing. I don’t trust or like Kim nothing or Kanye at all, I rather loathe them, but I do hope Kayne passes through this and regains some stability. I would not wish mental illness on anyone.
I’m sorry that you had that experience at the clinic. I worked at the med school administrative offices and knew many of the fellows who worked the clinic and they seemed great but I never saw what was going on at the clinic itself. I hope you are better now. Going into the hospital for depression is no picnic.
That’s the place that was supposed to hold Lohan for a month for court ordered rehab/psych eval, and they threw her out after 24 hours.
Also, if there is anything Kanye West loves it’s being the center of attention. I don’t think this is a LeAnn Rimes situation. He would love to be on stage and not in a hospital. Psych wards are meant to stabilize, make sure the patient is no longer a threat to themselves or others, observer, diagnose, and make an ongoing plan. If he is still there past the 72 hours he is unstable and agrees he needs treatment (otherwise he would be in court fighting for his release). If it was 100% due to sleep deprivation for reasons other than depression, mania, and illicit drug use (possible sign of self medicating) they would have put him on a medical unit because it is a medical condition. The doctors there would be better equipped to diagnose non-psychiatric explainations for severe insomnia and come up with a plan. Also, having him there in the ward would cause unnecessary distraction for the patients and staff as well as for him it would be unnecessarily restrictive in what he could have and do and not the most conducive environment for sleep (even worse than a regular hospital room.)
Even if you think he his faking this, trained doctors with really fancy degrees can spot a fake. If you believe you faked it, then you believe the doctors at UCLA psych ward are terrible at their jobs. Faking this for insurance fraud makes it harder to get insurance for future tours and it also makes him a target in a rap industry that does not believe in mental illness. If you’ve followed Kanye for this past decade, you can see how he’s always been unstable and many of his fans believed he would break one day. And if you have been around someone who has had a breakdown, it can be predictable and/or a complete shock. Hope he gets better. The music industry is better with his talent in it.
What I don’t get is doesn’t Kanye have any close friends or family around him to have intervened on some level earlier? I am not talking about the people that hang around celebrities because of who they are or what benefits they can provide. I mean the person who will say to your face “WTF! Is going on with you?” because they truly love and care about you.
That time years ago when Kanye was walking around at an awards show drinking out of an open bottle of liquor. No one thought that was odd? Or when he interrupted Taylor Swift getting that award? There are other examples but those stand out to me the most.
Maybe people have tried to help and got ignored by Kanye. But watching this unfold I am glad to have my boring life and people around who would be willing to risk our relationship if I was acting out
So agree. Those who enabled him did him no favors. It’s hard to commit someone you love and care about, but not getting them the help they need is dangerous.
It is tricky. In the US it is notoriously hard to have someone committed against their will if they are legally an adult and legally able to make medical decisions for themselves. On top of that once they are out of the hospital, someone like Kanye who is financially independent, will likely cut you out of their life and then you aren’t there to mitigate the harm they might cause themselves or others, keep an eye on the situation, be there when they are ready to accept help. Lastly, mental illness is notoriously difficult to treat if the patient isn’t on board and willing there is very little to be done and even then keeping them compliant to their treatment plan can be difficult for a variety of reasons. They don’t like the way the drugs make them feel, they miss the manic episodes, they feel they can no longer feel and create, self-sabotage it is a rough road and I do hope he has people in his life that love him and care enough to ride along and be supportive on what is sure to be a difficult journey.
I can understand the judgement but it is difficult to intervene and may not be worth the inherent risks.
I read a series called Shopoholic by a British writer named Sophie Kinsella. I’ve been reading it for like 10 years. Anyhow in one book she goes to Hollywood and she discovers that two starlets pretended to rob a store and have a mental breakdown and all of this stuff just for press. I read that around the time of Kim’s robbery and now that you mentioned it in this article, people in hollywood are crazy and will do anything. They don’t live in our world. They don’t have the same ethics and morals. I’m just saying it’s plausible.
Those are fictional books that were using artistic license to satirize Winona Ryder’s very real arrest for stealing from Saks while struggling with addiction.
So who else has been researching symptoms of bipolar disorder and is 100% sure he has it? Literally look at him and his patterns he has almost all the symptoms
I think Kanye is manic. Just my opinion based on the year of intense research I did on bipolar disorder.
Kanye and Kim can be the worst, but I wouldn’t downplay the seriousness of the situation. As Louise said, insurance companies investigate these things very thoroughly. Saying that someone is pretending to be mentally ill to get attention or compassion is just plain wrong. I’ve dealt with mental health problems myself and know many others who struggle.
Turning to a mental health facility can be an extremely difficult decision and people usually do that when they feel that they can’t cope anymore. Trivialising these matters basically tells people who suffer from mental disorders that they are just weak crybabies, when in reality they may be going through hell daily and trying not to hurt themselves because of the relentless agony.
It is incredible the lengths people will go to trash this family and it’s NEVER about the things that are valid criticisms. Saying Kim staged the robbery was disgusting enough but these claims that this horrific situation with Kanye is to get out of a tour? I pray that none of you are faced with such insensitivity and judgement.
Something’s always “up in the air” with those animals, namely their enormous naked rumps aka the family’s bread & butter. Imagine being surrounded day and night by those gross butt-obsessed slobs, with the vapid fish lips puckering 24/7/365, it must be hellish.
In 2011, there was this horrifying terror act in Oslo. Kanye had a concert there not many weeks later. I was in the audience. He went on stage, and gave a speech. It was short,serious, humble. He basically gave us his condolences, expressed empathy, and promised us his very best show. Kanye gave it everything he had, it was brilliant. The show carried on for double the normal length for a festival gig. It was a sorely needed party in a scarred town. I became a fan.
Kanye hasn’t been his old self now for some time. I wish him a full recovery and all the best.
Oh wow! That’s really nice to hear.
I suspect Kanye had a break-down due to multiple factors: lack of money, strain of the tour, marriage/relationship issues, the Kardashian factor, mother’s death anniversary……And dealing with ALL of that with cameras rolling 24/7, because Kris Jenner wants to monetize every private moment by selling it on TV and showing it to the world. Do not forget: This woman is so greedy, she started her own church so that the Kardashian family would make all charitable donations to IT instead of any other REAL charity (outside the her control). And they also get tax deductions on those ‘donations’.
He is one sick puppy….
He sounds manic. Bipolar is awful. Acute mania is a medical emergency, and they probably put a 5150 on him until they can get his symptoms under control.
All of the “leaks” of info and sources reporting to various outlets is what is most disturbing to me. Doesn’t the family ever give it a rest??? The worst one was the leak to TMZ about how the house renovations have been a huge source of stress over the past 2 years and that Kim has paid for the whole thing herself and Kanye has paid for nothing. What an odd thing to leak at a time like this.