A few weeks ago, Celebitchy, Hecate and I were chatting about… something, I actually forget how the thread began, but it ended up being about how Hecate and I had bad vibes about Shania Twain, and how there was something shady and strange about her that we couldn’t put our fingers on. CB half-defended Shania, but to be clear: Shania was never one of CB’s faves, it’s just that CB didn’t have the same kind of gut-level “what’s up with Shania” vibe that Hecate and I had. Well, now we have a reason for our weird vibes. In a Guardian interview released this weekend, Shania said some problematic words about how she would have voted for Donald Trump if she was an American citizen. Here’s the exact context from The Guardian:
Twain, now 52, is surprising in so many ways – the quietness, the intensity, the mumsiness, the openness, the profanity. But she is not done with surprising just yet. If she could have her time over again, I ask, would she choose what she has now? “I would never choose for my son’s family to be broken,” she says instantly. “I would be one of those people who would keep my marriage together for my child … I tried to keep Mutt.” She says it goes back to her own childhood. “Look at my situation. My parents could have killed each other. Maybe we would have been better off in foster homes, but I decided not to turn my family in, many times. There is something in me that says a family should stay together.”
It is not the only way in which she expresses her conservatism. If she had been able to vote in the US election, she would have plumped for Donald Trump, she says. “I would have voted for him because, even though he was offensive, he seemed honest. Do you want straight or polite? Not that you shouldn’t be able to have both. If I were voting, I just don’t want bullshit. I would have voted for a feeling that it was transparent. And politics has a reputation of not being that, right?”
I literally don’t understand the political/cultural/personal argument she’s making here. The idea that she would vote from Trump because “he seemed honest” – HOW? How did people listen to him at all throughout the course of 2015/16 and NOT think “Good God this guy is a deplorable white supremacist who hates women”? Does he get a bonus point for being so f–king honest about his racism and misogyny? Or nah? Anyway, Shania knew she stepped in it within hours of the interview’s release, because she issued this apology on Twitter:
I would like to apologise to anybody I have offended in a recent interview with the Guardian relating to the American President. The question caught me off guard. As a Canadian, I regret answering this unexpected question without giving my response more context. I am passionately against discrimination of any kind and hope it’s clear from the choices I have made, and the people I stand with, that I do not hold any common moral beliefs with the current President.
I was trying to explain, in response to a question about the election, that my limited understanding was that the President talked to a portion of America like an accessible person they could relate to, as he was NOT a politician. My answer was awkward, but certainly should not be taken as representative of my values nor does it mean I endorse him. I make music to bring people together. My path will always be one of inclusivity, as my history shows.
She apologized because the LGBTQ community dragged her pretty hard on social media, I think. Which brings up a question: what IS Shania’s fanbase at this point? Does she still get hardcore country fans? Because if she does, many of them were probably unoffended by her original words. I’m not trying to paint country music fans all with the same brush, but I do think they’re *more likely* to be Trump supporters (but not all of them, of course). The problem was that Shania was a crossover artist back in the day, so she has/had fans beyond the country-music base. And they were not happy about the interview. Do you buy her explanation? I do not. But whatever, it’s just Shania. We knew she was shady, didn’t we?
Photos courtesy of WENN.
This makes me sad. I was always a fan – she seemed like a decent person, and I loved her success story. *sigh* so many idiots out there.
I just don’t understand why celebrities choose to answer controversial questions in their routine PR interviews. There is no upside for them unless they’re really passionate and well-read about an issue.
That being said, I do think her original answer still represents many Trump voters. They liked that he was not a politician and didn’t play by the D.C. rules. Obviously some have come to see what a train wreck he truly is, but look at the polls, 40-something percent say they’d vote for him again. Frightening.
Yes!!! On all counts, except maybe the polls. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are all wrong again. I think when it comes to Trump a lot of people just don’t respond accurately.
Which is what makes me laugh about the truth thing. Donald Trump is the bigly liar of all. He is always providing alternative truths, or lies. The only truth he tells is his racist and sexist nature. Those who voted for him who aren’t beyond repair are going to realize soon enough that this so-called truth he seemed to have was just plain ole racist, misogynistic thinking and they made it happen.
He is an unapologetic liar. He is far from honest.
Does she have an album coming out that she was trying to drum up attention for? Cause honestly, I had forgotten all about her.
She did. It was very badly auto-tuned and didn’t sound like the old Shania (to be fair to her, shes has vocal chord issues for years and I think Lyme’s Disease impacted her voice). The music also wasn’t great. I don’t think I heard it played anywhere on country radio (not that women have a chance on country radio anyways) and radio really determines hits in country music, so it flopped.
Nah, the old Shania albums were all auto-tuned & remixed to hell also – Mutt Lange was just better at it. She was never a particularly good singer. I remember her saying after they split up “oh I went in the studio and couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t sing!” My thought was “girl that’s your voice unmixed-you never could sing!”
That’s the best part, isn’t it? It’s shocking that so many people said, and still say, “he’s a successful businessman and at least he’s honest!” Somehow these supporters missed the fact that Trump is what would’ve happened if PT Barnum and the Wizard of Oz had a love child—his “success” has been an illusion fueled by debt, cloaked with deceit, and held aloft by bluster. I get it though, the scope of his long-time antics is so staggering it can be hard to comprehend the outrageousness of it all.
But how is it possible that the goal for so many voters was to have a non-politician responsible for the most essential political role in our country? I want a skilled, experienced politician doing a politician’s job—same as a doctor, lawyer, undertaker, teacher. Basic qualifications for president should at least include having a firm tether to actual truth and being a deft diplomat. Instead, we did end up with a non-politician(!) president because he fluidly speaks lies as truth…all for the sole purpose of promoting his own narcissistic, minute-to-minute agenda. He *is* good at that.
Imo Trump is like a politician in many ways. He has all the bad qualities of a politician and none of the good qualities – lying, corrupt, evasive and misdirection, swindler, pay to play, hypocrite, funded by greedy individuals and organizations with unpopular agendas and etc.
The main ways he’s not like a politician is, as you say, he is not disciplined in cultural and political diplomacy. He knows what it is, but he thinks he is above it because he has a “king” complex that he can do and say what ever he wants. People have to answer to him, but he doesn’t have to answer to anybody. Plus he doesn’t care for the country or the people he’s supposed to serve. Of course many actual politicians don’t care for their constituents, but they’re supposed to and many still do.
Trump doesn’t see lying and cheating through moral perspective. Society’s morals don’t apply to him. What ever he does is right and justified. This entitled king complex allows him to speak his mind quite openly without any real consequences. So he can spew off his preconditioned, traditionalist racism and people give him credit as “being honest” and not afraid to say what’s really on his mind unlike a professional politician that has a very crafted image and speech.
@Mumzy “Somehow these supporters missed the fact that Trump is what would’ve happened if PT Barnum and the Wizard of Oz had a love child—his “success” has been an illusion fueled by debt, cloaked with deceit, and held aloft by bluster. I get it though, the scope of his long-time antics is so staggering it can be hard to comprehend the outrageousness of it all.”
Your comment is PERFECTION. I’ve referred to him as our times PT Barnum since early on in the campaign. I’ve understood this since The Art of the Deal. I do not understand his appeal. He speaks to our most base, worst instincts. People who say Trump is just like, speaks like and is one of us I find really disturbing dysfunctional individuals.
It’s unsurprising Melania smiled and looked relaxed at Barbara Bush funeral. I realize the occasion wasn’t about her but the Bush, Clinton and Obama family treated her with grace, acceptance and respect. Something neither she or her husband have and he continues to do.
That’s what drives me nuts! He’s the LEAST honest candidate I’ve ever seen. How did he get associated with honesty? He lies about everything big and small.
In this case, “being honest” means being openly racist and sexist without fear of social censure. It means saying whatever hateful thing you want without being shunned, fired or charged with hate speech.
Even if he had been honest (and he clearly wasn’t even before the elections), why would you vote for someone? Just because he honestly says he hates you and quite a few other groups?
She is so incredibly dumb.
@WhoARE – you are exactly right.
Very true, WhoARE.
Too right. How on earth did she not know this about Donald Stump? It’s hard to fathom, considering lots of us in Australia have known what a foul, predator and con job he is, long before he had a kernel of an idea for a reality show and political aspirations. Also, being taken aback notwithstanding, why make a big statement when you’re just going to apologise fr it on after? Either stand by your statement, move on or maybe don’t say it in the first place.
Ikr. For ages it’s been widely known what a despicable, pig, con man he is. I’ve wondered if younger voters didn’t know about all his back story and the crap he’s pulled in his business practices. Conservative youth vote in higher numbers than dems, but not sure those numbers explain the wide spread ignorance of his support, not referring to his openly racist supporters of course.
I think it really comes down to tribalism and a willful denial of reality.
Girl, bye.
I don’t think she should have apologized. I mean, if someone could watch Trump in 2016 and think “Yes, that inexperienced racist sexist bigot is just what America needs!”, I want to know. It means they clearly have way too much money and don’t need any of mine.
I also side-eye the whole “from my limited understanding” BS. I don’t care if you’re Canadian or German or Vietnamese..whatever. Unless you were living under a rock, you knew how awful this man was.
Really. Nearly everybody knows more than Sarah Palin at this point.
Exactly. This guy lies like he breathes and everyone knows it.
I agree. She said what she said. Regardless of why, she said she would have voted for Trump. She didn’t have to answer at all – she could have said “I’m Canadian. It doesn’t matter what I think.” I also think she’s getting trolled by the LGBTQ community because she was just a guest judge on Drag Race a week or so ago. That ” from my limited understanding” comment is just bullshit.
Men, I feel like a moron.
Dying!
🙂
Will never hear that song the same way now. : )
yeah, she don’t impress me much.
Ha! There was always something about her I didn’t like and now I have a valid reason! I do sometimes wonder if Canadians don’t “get it” on the same level that we do. Not to say they don’t get that Drumpf isn’t a racist sexist etc etc… but the intricacies of living in the U.S. day to day and how all of that has changed because of Trump. It’s a whole different ball game. It’s 100% a stupid thing to say, but I wonder if she didnt realize thay this is nuclear level stupid versus medium stupid. I wonder if she even actually cares.
Anyway, screw her and her garbage music.
Please don’t group together all Canadians with Shania. Canadians are well aware of what is going on down south. She is just an idiot.
I knew my statement was going to get confused. Not that Canadians don’t get it, but am really asking (not just Canadians, i specified that because Shania is one) is it possible to truly, fully understand the magnitude of a stupid comment if you’re not American? I realize a lot of Americans don’t get it, but I’m talking purely from a foreign standpoint. To live and grow with American Nationalism and to fight against our specific brand of institutionalized racism/sexism. I realize other countries have their own issues with the same things, but I’m very nichely discussing the American intricacies of it. To be a black woman in America with Trump is charge seems profoundly different than being a black woman in Canada with Trump in charge here, you know? Maybe it’s not. That’s what I’m asking.
I love my Canadian neighbors and don’t mean to imply y’all don’t get it. It just seems there are a trillion layers that someone outside of America might not be privy to considering our ass backwards everything.
broodytrudy, I’m a dual citizen and I think I know what you mean. My sense is some/many white Canadians find it hard to grasp just how deep racism penetrates into every corner of American society, and how violent it is, and the role it played in the 2016 election. They also criticize Obama freely for things that were out of his control, such as Congressional obstruction, because the parliamentary system combines the executive and legislative branches. A lot of people (that I know, anyway) didn’t perceive what happened to Obama, and the Trump backlash, to be a direct racist response to the levers of power being held by a black American. There’s racism in Canada, too, but it operates and is expressed a little differently.
But this has nothing to do with Shania Twain, who benefits from her plush life in Switzerland while getting airplay in Canada.
Canada had Stephen Harper for a very long time. He’s not as bad as trump – since we grade leaders on the curve now – but he was just as toxic.
Unfortunately trudeau really isn’t that different than harper now but he’s “good looking” and is a “feminist” so people are fooled by him. But he’s toxic and a liar too. Ugh. the world is a mess.
I can’t believe how many people were fooled by Trudeau’s good looks and empty rhetoric.
Trudeau got a huge amount of votes by promising to legalize marijuana, especially from the younger people on the East Coast. And yes, he’s not entirely honest either and has done next to nothing for our veterans. Harper never touched the veterans’ funds. Trudeau is more interested in foreign aid to Syria. Canada fared better under Harper than it will under Trudeau.
Canada built up a toxic housing bubble under Harper and would have sent troops to Iraq if the timing had been just a little different. Canadian scientists were muzzled under Harper and the health system starved of money. No, we were not better off under the secretive, scheming bigotry of the Harper government, which used a series of non-democratic maneuvers to keep their grasp on power. Trudeau wouldn’t have a majority if it weren’t for the powerful desire of Canadians to get rid of Harper, many voting Liberal strategically just to be sure. As for aiding Syrians, this is one of the things about which Canadians can be most proud, to come to the aid of a suffering people and welcome them into our privileged world. They will make Canada a better place and Harper fans will benefit alongside everybody else.
@ Who ARE These People, I see this issue from a Gulf War vet’s perspective, the veterans’ funding at least. Trudeau did get many votes because of the marijuana legalization. People that hadn’t even voted before and barely got out of bed before, they voted for Trudeau on that point when they knew nothing of Canadian politics. Where do you stand on Trudeau’s wanting to “rehab” previous terrorists? Yes, Canada can surely be proud, but to give so many millions in foreign aid and then turn around and say the vets are “asking for more than we can give?” The vets are Canadian, the Syrians are not. Many Canadians won’t be voting Liberal again any time soon. What has he done for our poor dollar that’s been in the toilet for how long now?
Thank you, thank you, thank you, WATP.
“Unfortunately trudeau really isn’t that different than harper now but he’s “good looking” and is a “feminist” so people are fooled by him. ”
BINGO. Its really bad. And his photo ops are SOOO obvious.
Just want to add that the Harper government treated veterans very poorly and many spoke out. Many immigrants and children of immigrants serve in the Canadian forces, always have and always will. I hope the current government can and will do better, but the Harper government was not a shining example of caring either.
Thank you for your service.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/08/31/if-you-care-about-veterans-defeat-the-conservatives.html
@ WATP, duly noted, thank you. I know several veterans and none of them spoke out against Harper, but rather Trudeau. Good to see another side. Our next election should be interesting. Right now I feel badly for the U.S. They have their own “mess” to deal with, certainly.
“I do sometimes wonder if Canadians don’t “get it” on the same level that we do.@
No most Canadians get it, most of us get it, we really do. Our current politics versus the Republicans are 200X more progressive than the current USA on women, LGBTQ, etc. So we find your day to day horrifying.
But Shania doesn’t even have a grasp of day to day Canada. She left long ago and lived a sheltered and VERY privileged life in Switzerland (not so much with the diversity) for YEARS. She’s just an out of touch fool.
@BroodyTrudy,
As someone who grew up close to the US border, yes Canadians “get it.” There is a saying in the Caribbean that when the US sneezes (insert island name of nation here) catches a cold that is equally true of Canada if not more so. We also have our own right-wing/conservative nut jobs politicians that we have to contend with. And there are US citizens who don’t “get” that Trump is a problem, just ask any of the white people who voted for him, among them women, poor and working class folks, and people with disabilities.
Furthermore, I bet if you asked any random POC, Muslim, or First Nations person in Canada if they were alarmed by Trump and his policies the answer would be a resounding YES!!! Shania’s problem isn’t that she is Canadian, it’s that she is a famous rich white woman who is insulated from Trump’s policies so she doesn’t have to care. Besides, doesn’t she still live in Switzerland?
Canada gets it. We have our own right wing political groups, and we are also dealing with horrific racism against Muslims, POW and indigenous groups. Also, we have Doug Ford in the running to become Ontario’s Premier (he is um.. Trump-like in many ways) 🙁
Americans sometimes have trouble understanding that other countries in the world pay attention to each other.
Yep, the first Trudeau’s ‘sleeping elephant’: “Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.” Canada knows when you fluff the sheets, America.
Trust me, we know. I have never spent so much time reading political and business news because I am terrified of either war of a complete market meltdown bc of the moron in chief. I am relieved as a Canadian that my healthcare is secure – in the US our family would have been bankrupt or I’d be dead given my bills resulting from chronic illness. But I am heartbroken over what I see happening in the US – I used to live there for a while and although I saw instances of racism, homophobia and tribalism, I never realized how deep it went. I am so glad that I came back to Canada, bc I would have gone nuts the last two years. Mind you, we have to be careful here too; Trump has emboldened racists and bigots everywhere and as your close neighbours, our own conservatives have learned from his example. I hope – as a Liberal – that we can hold on or we’re screwed. (No, I don’t agree with everything Justin does, I don’t give a damn about his hair, is he perfect – no. But the Libs are, IMHO, a much better choice than cons will ever be.)
As far Trump goes…. True bit of gossip – my FIL who is a prominent attorney in Windsor refused to work for Trump two decades ago (I think, may have been longer) when he tried to buy the Caesars casino in town. Had a couple of meeting with Trump, saw that he was an uneducated, moronic ass who does not listen to legal advice and literally told Trump to take his toys and go away, the deal would never happen (it didn’t. That casino stayed in business..) We used to laugh at Trump for being the bottom of the barrel of NYC society – he was never part of the true upper class, whose blessing he desperately wanted. Sadly, the bully was elected to the highest office in the land by other frustrated bullies who were threatened by anything resenting equality. And here we are.
We are a geopolitically aware country, and this man threatens the security of the world. Please don’t tell me you all believe we live in cabins in the snow. NOBODY is unaware of Trump and how he contaminates everything.
That’s not what i said at all. It was clarified above much earlier.
As a Canadian I want to say Shania is an idiot.
As a woman I want to say Shania is an idiot.
And that’s probably how she earned the nickname Shania Twat 😉
Can we talk about her comments on a family needing to stay together regardless of abuse? And that she tried to “keep” Mutt, as though it was her responsibility. Because those are the parts that are problematic AF.
Oh my god yes. I mean WTF
Yeah, that was horrible. You call the authorities if your parents could have killed each other. You don’t “keep a family together” by ignoring abuse. That’s a terrible thought- you make a family out of those around you that make you feel loved and safe, not just because they’re related by blood.
“keep a family together” by ignoring abuse. There is no doubt in my mind that calling the cops would have been a death sentence for me. No doubt. Maybe she was in that kind of situation too?
Yes, that was problematic to me too. Seems there are unresolved issues there…
All of it is problematic. Saying that you’d vote for a lying racist sexist bigot is problematic AF. Saying that you tried to “keep” a man who repeatedly disrespected and cheated on you is problematic AF. Saying that a family should stay together even if there is physical or other types of abuse is problematic AF. Basically, Shania Twain is problematic AF.
I know, I was appalled at what I was reading. She seems bitter and a little unhinged. And it seems like she was just repeating the anti-Hillary narrative that unlike her Trump was a “no BS” kind of candidate. Ugh. And her “apology” just smacked of desperation.
I’m sure her current husband was thrilled to hear that. Who doesn’t want to hear that their spouse was desperate to hang onto their ex? Although I always felt there was something shady about how he was the one who told her that their exes were having an affair and then they got together themselves.
Her views on DV (domestic violence) are frighteningly blind. That “something” telling her “a family should stay together” in the face of DV such that her “parents could have killed each other” is a toxic, potentially lethal combo of denial and brainwashing, which is how abusive people teach their loved ones to operate.
Her Trump comment earned her some much-deserved push-back, but it’s her DV take that’s really disturbing. Given the extent to which she minimizes the devastating effects of bullying through DV behaviors, it’s completely unsurprising that she doesn’t see Trump’s bullying behaviors for what they are, either. I’ve often wondered how many Trump supporters grew up — as Trump himself did — with some degree of abuse that became their “normal.”
I think she needs a lot of therapy or something, because she has some very distorted ideas that are not healthy for her or her family.
Of course, considering she married her ex-husband’s new wife’s ex-husband…the need of therapy was evident before this interview.
So glad you called that out. Brrr.
That DV comment made me think “oh no wonder she considers Trump ‘honest.'” In her mind, being toxic and abusive is honest. Our upbringing has a lot to do with how we perceive the world and other people.
Bet RuPaul is sorry she was invited onto Drag Race a couple of weeks ago….
Actually, that episode was shown just last week! It is now extra awkward because one of the queens thanked her for being her personal role model.
Yes! And I thought Shania was super aloof when Kameron said that. Shania’s whole appearance on Drag Race turned me off.
There are a thousand words to describe him..honest is not one of them..trump apologists are never asked to cite examples or explain though
Good point. That’s because people just repeat talking points when defending Trump, no one seems to have anything to back them up. It’s scary and depressing and they should be called out.
Of all the platitudes Trump supporters use, the honest one really gets me. The man is incapable of being truthful. Even when giving depositions to his own lawyers, they used to have to sit with him in pairs because he told so many lies.
Shania was NEVA really on my gossip radar until last year when she did that…horrific interview attributing lyrics in her hit “That don’t impress me much” to Brad Pitt’s nude photos…I thought that was shady AF…and pretty inhumane…and I was like…”Oh…she’s kinda awful”…and…she just quantified that stance…
Wow, what an ignorant thing to say about him or any man. I wonder if she thought she was being funny? Did she hit on him and get turned down? Why an out-of-the-blue specific insult about him like that?
Girl, please.
You literally said that you would have voted for him and you said it was because he was “offensive, but honest” (because apparently we now live in a world where being an openly racist, sexist xenophobic bully is something we laud people for). That isn’t something that was awkwardly stated because you’re Canadian and it wasn’t taken out of context-the most overused, empty BS excuse next to “I’m sorry if YOU were offended”.
Either you were trying to pander to the part of the country music fan demographic that are 45 supporters or you are part of the wealthy white woman bloc that helped screw it for everyone because you have the luxury of indulging in your closeted racism. Either way, you suck. But hey, I’m sure you’ve confirmed a lot of KKK ticket sales for your comeback tour. Maybe they’ll outnumber everyone who just cancelled you for being an assh*ole.
So used to not being shocked when another white person comes out as racist/homophobic/xenophobic. This news barely pinged my radar
Nicole, I’ve learned so much from your comments.
And yes, thanks to learning from your contributions I’m not surprised by her awful statements no matter how bizzare they were.
Oh thank you. That is so kind of you to say
This lady is going on tour. She’s aware enough about her fanbase (gay, POC) to go on Drag Race, but not aware enough to know those folks don’t like Trump.
Shame because there was gonna be a lot of Yeehaw, B-tch! at Infinite Energy Arena when she came to town. She would’ve had a good time with US, but here we are. Tragic.
I looked up the Infinite Energy Arena because I’ve never heard of it, and now I’m a little surprised you guys don’t have a NHL team calling Georgia home, especially with the Bruins farm team playing there. Nice arena. Have you heard anything about a NHL expansion team?
lol, girl. You are absolutely asking the wrong one about the NHL. I only go to Cobb county for events and work. Cobb County residents are definitely the right demo for the NHL though.
Georgia formerly had an NHL team, the Atlanta Thrashers. They went bankrupt and don’t exist anymore. No one in the American south cares about hockey.
I don’t know what to say about trump supporters. My mom is so anti-Hillary and pro Trump. She thinks he tells it like it is. I don’t think she sees through his lies. I think they confuse blutness with honesty. I went to church with her. The preacher was talking about how people are created equal, I’m thinking great. Then he starts talking about how homosexuality is bad, etc, etc. I’m thinking oh no. But I think people were pissed off about gay marriage being made legal and felt like things were getting away from the way they used to be. I think people voted for trump because he will “get the country back the way it used to be. ” and they see him as the lesser of two evils. My mom swears she loves my black husband but she was saying done stuff about muslims that concerned me. She said she was reading a book by a former Muslim who became Christian. And she started talking about how the Muslim religion is about being one up on another, coming out ahead, even if it means lying and cheating. I hate to say it but I think My mom is a bit racist. She’s getting worse in her older years. She watches Fox News too. It makes me sad but it’s still my mom.
Is the book “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus?”
I ask because I recently saw a pic posted on social media by a Trumpster I know. On the kitchen counter were two books: the bible and “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus” which prompted me to Google and…whew boy! The premise of the book sounds like an Evangelical wet dream.
I’m sorry you are going through that with your mom. I see so many people saying they are having the same problems, and it’s really caused rifts in many families.
So thankful my family is solid on this, but I’ve lost several friends — close, long-time friends — over this (with religion involved in one case) and it’s very painful. I could say I didn’t see it coming, but looking back over the decades, the signs were there and things intensified and people got emboldened.
I have some family members who are like your mom. So, sadly, I understood exactly what Shania was trying to say. She sounds like my sister-in-law. Trump appealed to her because she is uneducated and can’t really understand history or government policy or anything. Blunt, simplistic, black and white thinking appeals to her. Slogans appeal to her. The idea of strong men taking care of everything appeals to her. She also goes to a church that actually tells her who to vote for. It is horrifying. I never thought I would see anything like this in the US.
Watching the news with my friend’s elderly grandma about the Iraq invasion when she leans over and says “they should send all the darkies to fight that war and solve two problems at once.” There was no point saying anything to someone who has been so racist for 90+ years. I just told her I was going to make her some tea and walked away with my stomach roiling.
I know exactly what you’re saying. If my parents were still with me, we’d be having issues. Mom read all the contemporary Protestant literature, and it made my stomach turn back then. Anytime anyone or anything or any belief system criticises other cultures, they’ve lost me. For good. And 99.9% do exactly that. Any time she’d get to naming another race or culture, her tone and volume diminished as though whispering sick thoughts lessoned impact.. And then she’d literally flip out when I cursed. No joke. She made me bat shit crazy.
As for my dad, two words…Rush Limbaugh. Every day. He used to tell me, when I grew up, when I matured, I’d completely understand and embrace the Republican platform. And I did. I voted Republican throughout my 20s (even during the college years when most students go against their parents’ ideals}. Then something happened. I grew up. I matured. I questioned the whole black and white, all or nothing, if this then that mentalities and the strong hypocrisy vein that weaved it’s way through conservative politics. I knew it well. I was raised in a Protestant church and saw it every week. Sure. They shut me up as a child and teen, but they couldn’t turn off my brain. I’ve lost many friends. I’ve quit talking to many family members. It hurts, but what hurts me more is the vile crap they inhale and regurgitate as truth. Color me the black sheep of the family… I’m used to it, and I’m totally fine with it. I can only image what they say about me, but I could care less. I’m right. They’re wrong. Period.
This sounds a lot like my life, family, church and how I was brought up.
I too grew up, it started in my 20’s, I really started questioning in my 30’s and now that I’m 48 I am almost completely opposite in my beliefs now.
I feel that I was actually brain washed growing up in the conservative church.
Now I am horrified by how much hate there is , it’s woven through everything.
If it’s any consolation my two boys have been brought up differently. Very differently.
I have an aunt who is a trumpster. She dumb as a rock, doesn’t read the news, doesn’t watch the news…but she’ll vote in every election. All she cares about is that there’s an R after your name. After I found out that she was all gung-ho for drumpf, I could never look at her the same. She’s poor, misogynistic, racist, etc. She doesn’t even realize she’s voting against her own self interest. And she won’t listen to reasoning. During the election, i told her that trump doesn’t have an experience at all in government…and asked her if she needed an operation who she want as a doctor – me, a college student, or my cousin, a third year surgical resident at Cornell. I asked her that because she works in the medical field, and the analogy still went over her head and she said experience doesn’t matter. Smh. She annoys me till this day and whenever I see her, I just think…ugh, you support trump and incredibly stupid.
Last last week, I was waiting for a friend to check into our house for Coachella, I went to the movies in this little podunk town in the middle of nowhere. I should have gone to Palm Springs, but the time didn’t work. Anyway, I saw Black Panther, and in the entire there was only one other couple. They were about 90 years old. After the movie, husband made some comment about how there were only three of us in the theather. I asked them if they enjoyed the movie. They said yes, but then the husband goes off on a tangent about how everything is God’s plan and that God created America and that not everyone wanted to come here and they needed persuading (he was talking about slaves)…then he rambled on about how Mexico needed to stop sending us bad people. And the wife pipes up with the classic “they’re rapist and murders”. And he goes on and on about all the degrees he has and how’s he a doctor and a community college professor. And I’m just standing there, feeling sorry for his students. And also thinking, are there eyes that bad? Why are they saying this to me? Do they not realize that I’m not white? Or maybe they don’t care.
Yes, they do confuse bluntness with honesty, and also believe that since he’s so brash that makes him “a breath of fresh air.” People often equate being ill-spoken with telling it like it is. All of this crooked Hilary talk is obviously because she’s a woman and because she’s not “blunt.”
Sounds like my mom. I feel you. My mom is joined at the hip to her racist sister, they spend several days a week together after work, and I think it’s made my mom worse. It’s sad. My aunt has a real vocal hatred for black people and she has always hated and gone off on both Clintons. This horrible b basically said that she has issues with black people because the school she went to was a bused in school in the late 60s/early 70s and she claims black male students came and harassed her and other white students and lifted up their skirts. It caused a whole rift in my family around the time of the NFL players kneeling. My other cousin (from a different much more woke sister) said oh boo hoo black people were mean to you and you never got over it and she got furious and claimed she was harassed at school yadda yadda. My cousin and I think she’s lying. She’s not very educated and we think that she’s seen black coworkers etc get promoted ahead of her and she says it’s all affirmative action. It’s sad to see my mom basically becoming her sister.
She bought into Trump and loved his honesty too. She believed literally every single rumor and lie about Hillary but thought every story about Trump was a lie. My 60 something mother in law who never registered to vote her entire life registered just to vote for Trump because she felt he wasn’t a typical politician and loved his honesty.
Please someone save me from these people!!
I would have been fine with the apology only that apology sounded so washed put it hardy can be a denouncement of Trump. I get there are oblivious people who do not think about politics and may be cought off guerd with questions about it but at this point into this toxic presidency it would be real hard to believe that there are people who don’t have a strong possition and strong feelings about the Orange tyrant one way or the other.
I’m sorry I’m over celebrities “fake Apologies”.If that’s truly how she felt,she should stick with it,it’s her view her opinion.Im annoyed when celebrities apologies just cause “The masses”don’t agree(including myself).Stick to your opinion,we all have them & we don’t have to all agree!
Well, I’ve had a shady feeling about her for nearly 20 years. There were several stories from people who knew her backstory that seemed to give a broader picture of the “poor teen trying to raise a bunch of siblings” narrative that was part of her publicity. One memorable article claimed she had a much older “sugar daddy” who paid for a makeover before Mutt entered the picture.
Honesty may be something she doesn’t fully grasp herself.
Didn’t at one point early in her career, she claimed she had First Nation hertige? And that was found to be untrue?
I think she claimed it through her stepfather (whom she referenced as her father). That was one of things that got called out.
She does have band status, with Temagami First Nation (which is about 60km north of me). I believe one can acquire band status through adoption.
@nnire – I think only if it is from the male – women were stripped of their right to treaty claims and band status if they married a non-Indigenous person, but men could and still maintain their status in their local nation until recently. My grandmother and her family lost all connection to their land and ceremony because of this stupid law.
oh-dear, it happened to my sis-in-law when she married my brother. Neither of their daughters were given status either. My nieces are still fighting to belong to their band.
@Lady D…maddening.
Truly. My brother-in-law did not lose his status when he married my sister. Their two children have status, and my other two nieces don’t. It’s infuriating and hurtful.
Her voice is nasal and her songs suck. Never grasped her success. Now it seems her charmed life is built on a very shaky foundation.
Looks + powerful producer = success
Well that explains my modest situation in life… ; )
If we’re content, we likely have more success in our own lives than these folks.
True. And I am content. I have my celebitchies to keep me warm.
Shania is dumb as toast so I’m not surprised she can relate to Trump voters.
She can have her opinion, but if she hasn’t figured out that there’s no such thing as an honest Donald Trump, and that it’s unacceptable to vote for someone who throws others under the bus for “transparency” you need an education in what politics really is.
There’s no such thing as a honest politician!! Some just have a softer delivery.
What DT does isn’t in the normal realm of ‘politician lies’ and we all know this. What he does is completely different and insidious and it shouldn’t be normalized like ‘all politicians do this’ . They don’t.
Seriously? The man lies all day, every day. Stop normalizing it FFS.
He lies every time he opens his mouth. He lies for no reason, about the most trivial things.
I mean he goes on Twitter with bald faced lies. He denies things that can easily be proven true. Yeah most politicians lie or at least bend the truth, but this guy has just straight up lied for his whole career. As/ in easily provable things that he for some reason lies about. That ain’t normal!/
My advice for Shania. Just have a backbone. You said it, you meant it . You probably are backpedaling for financial reasons. I am not a Trump fan, but you are entitled to your opinion. What is nice is that your Canadian so you have an escape plan from United States.
Oh the states can keep her, I have no problem with that, nope, none.
Funny that I had almost forgotten her Canadian roots because I don’t find her the warm, accepting personality of most Canadians I’ve met. She seems to embrace whatever country offers her a financial advantage at that time.
She should’ve just held her ground. It’s not like the social media lynch mob is going to leave her alone now anyway.
wrong spot
A lynching. A witch-hunt. Being a white person who’s stupidity, racism, and internalized misogyny are being criticized on social media. Hmmm, sounds like one of those things is not quite like the other….
I’m Canadian and I’ve known that Donald Trump was a lying sack of shyte since the 80’s. I can’t wrap my head around the fact that people mistake crudeness, rudeness, open racism, misogyny and blatant lying as “honest”. She splits her time between a huge chalet in Switzerland and a mansion in the Bahamas so she should really STFU. Her comments on domestic violence and her marriage breakdown are horrifying to me. Keeping the family together regardless of ongoing infidelity and abuse, is an incredibly dangerous, antiquated mindset. She probably admires Melania for sticking around while her husband molests women and sleeps with porn actresses. She’s obviously severely damaged and uneducated, which is a bad combination. Throw in her white privilege and you have yourself the perfect Trumpster woman. Too bad she’s Canadian and can’t actually vote for him.
Girl, sit DOWN. Grab that three piece leopard-print hoodie ensemble and think for a minute. Know your audience.
I don’t believe Shania 100% about the affair/betrayal/breakdown of her first marriage. She is entitled but she is an utter psycho describing what she’s fantasized about doing to her friend versus her relationship with husband number one. I also don’t fully believe her tales of her childhood, to keep it 100. She’s so try-hard and limited.
for someone that uses her rags to riches narrative to bolster her business, Shania’s comments are extremely disappointing. i suppose i assumed that having allegedly lived through a terrible childhood of poverty and abuse, she would have wanted better for other people.
i agree with everyone here that she should have just owned her comments. now she’s basically just made everyone disappointed, lol! not the greatest strategy right before a record drop and subsequent tour. where is her PR team…
all i can say is, i’m happy these were her comments, and not those of Dolly Parton, who is extremely charitable.
and as a Canadian, Celine continues to be at the top of my musical hierarchy! the US and Switzerland can have Shania.
and Jann Arden. She is my other Canadian songstress superhero, and she is a really good person (who is funny AF)
Jann Arden did a happy friendly photo spread and lengthy article with our former PM Harper (Canada’s precursor to Trump)… I’ve had no respect for Jann ever since. I’ve tried to find that article within the past year but maybe it was scrubbed… dunno
I always liked Democrat County Queen Faith Hill better anyway. At least she can sing…
FWIW – I used to go to church with someone who worked in the music industry here in Nashville. They worked at Shania’s label and said she was absolutely the nicest person she has ever met and that she HATED doing the business end of show business (i.e. interviews). She said the only thing Shania really wanted to do was write her songs and perform, everything else about the business end of her career made her miserable.
I’ve hinestly never thought that she was very intelligent. Her music was fun though.
Too late…she’s cancelled! The only Canadian queen I stan is Celine Dion! Bye girl!
Theres lots of people who actually like Trump but won’t admit it. And they aren’t idiots either. It really surprises me because he’s such an ass!
I am not buying a single song of her album. She is a privileged straight affluent white woman unaware of what kind of horrible human being Trump was then and still is now.
Huh? She CLEARLY said she would’ve voted for him and thought he was honest. Her apology is worse than her actual comments. CANCELED.
she’s not talking about “honesty” – the opposite of “honesty” is not “politeness”. what she and so many other people are describing is a feeling of familiarity and a ring of truth they hear bigoted rhetoric; they simply can’t identify that this feeling is the result of deep inherent bias. they only experience it as “true”.
If she were an American and wanted to vote for Trump, then that’s her decision. I personally didn’t for many reasons, including that I appreciate people who are straight, honest and polite. But that’s just me.
The fact that she offered up such a disingenuous “apology” for speaking her truth is craven and deserves to be called out.
“He’s honest” “He’s loves LGBT people” “He’s not a racist”
Ugh, that encapsulates what I hate the most about Trump apologists. Support the guy if you want, but don’t try to sanitize and whitewash parts of his appeal when people call him out on it while also celebrating him for those things when they don’t. The guy lies consistently. That’s a fact. Not an opinion.
This is sad to hear as I really liked her but then again I’m not surprised. She has a conservative fanbase to pander to and on top of that she is not the one directly affected by Trump’s rhetoric. Also, I found myself side-eyeing the whole First Nations claim of hers, not because she wasn’t (she made it clear it was through her step-father), but because I wondered if she had done anything for the community she supposedly loved so much. I haven’t found anything that shows she has.
Mouth dropping, the apology rings insincere. Wow
If by honest she actually means an unabashed, rude ass mother fucker, I agree. I have to wonder if she also appreciated her husband’s honesty when he told her he had been diddling her best friend for years…let’s face it, some women just have shit taste in men.
Shania has really bad taste – in family “values, husband’s and politicians”…
Does anyone else see Sarah Palin in Shania? Maybe it’s just the word salads giving me e. Coli.
I see a resemblance as well (both physical and otherwise these days).
I’ve enjoyed a few of her songs, but she’s Canadian…she doesn’t even go here. Move on Shania.
How is he honest? He lies about everything even when people bring proof (See Lester Holt interview). The worse part about this regime is that they all lie (Pruitt, Carson, Zinke – all crooks). Even Rudy Guiliani claiming Hilary wasn’t in NY after 9/11 and then people started posting pics of him and her in NY!
Seriously!
Fact: If a brown or black celebrity from another country, let’s go with Canada, had said they would have voted for HRC if they were a citizen – – – – – we’d have another bullsh*t “voting commission” by now and Fox and Trumpers screaming about all the “illegals” who voted.
I watched All The President’s Men about Nixon last night for the first time. Some other Watergate reading too. It is honestly shocking. Not just the similarities, but how much WORSE this is and how little so many care. This sh*t we got going now makes Watergate look like a jaywalking ticket. At the same time, WOW, the echoes. Nixon at some point referred to the left as “terrorists,” which I never knew before.
I hope it’s a similar thing to Watergate – in the sense that nobody was paying much attention to the story for a while, but Woodward & Bernstein (Mueller & co. in this case) were all over it nonstop behind the scenes and the undoing of a terrible presidency was well underway far before it was widely known.
Yeaaaahhh, did you notice in all of the Watergate scandal, that there wasn’t much debate about what was IN the documents they stole? The issue was that they were stolen.
Radical departure from the Wikileaks bullshit and backbending the MSM has done for Trump.
That don’t impress me much, Shania.
Ugh freaking try hard thirsty has been. I thought she was tacky for wearing leopard print again for her recent album, trying to relive her glory years. She looked like a old sad Peg Bundy…
Man, this is healing. LOL
Translation: “Honest” = “He says the things I think, but never say.”
Like most Trumpers, she thinks that most people go around thinking ill of Latinos, Muslims, immigrants, transgendered persons, etc. but they don’t say it out loud because they’d receive social censure for it.
Apparently when a politician is urging policies of tolerance and anti-discrimination, Shania thinks it’s “bullshit”.