Michael Shannon on Ezra Miller: ‘I always give people a lot of slack in this business’

Michael Shannon recently gave an interview to Vanity Fair’s Little Gold Men awards-insider column. He’s campaigning (not really) for an Emmy for his outstanding work in George & Tammy, plus he’s got a bunch of other projects coming out, like The Flash and The End. In The Flash, he revives his General Zod character from Man of Steel. While The Flash has tons of buzz, it’s also got Ezra Miller playing The Flash. The same Ezra Miller who went on a violent crime spree through the continental United States, plus Hawaii, Iceland and the UK. Miller has been credibly accused (and at times criminally charged) with everything from assault, disorderly conduct, grooming, intimidation, harassment and more. Warner Bros spent a lot of money on The Flash, which means Warner Bros has a vested interest in protecting Ezra Miller as an asset. Last year, someone (probably from WB) finally forced Miller into in-patient treatment and we haven’t heard much about them recently. I would have expected Michael Shannon to just stay out of the conversation completely, but he chose a different route. Some highlights from the VF interview:

Working with Jessica Chastain again on ‘George & Tammy’: “Jessica and I, the way that we got into this business and the way that we were able to accomplish what we’ve accomplished—we didn’t take the easy route. Kind of similar to George and Tammy, we had some hard knocks that we came from and, and so we could kind of identify with that aspect of their lives. Also like George and Tammy, our backgrounds kind of unified us. We’re kindred spirits, I guess is what I’m saying in a long-winded fashion.

He’s quite musical & he loves to sing: “It’s funny because I started doing music before I ever started acting. The first art form I dabbled with was music, when I was a kid. I guess I get a little leeway, because of that. It was a really nice feeling to show up at work and be in a situation where I could sing, and it was my job that day to sing. That felt really nice, as intimidating as it was and as challenging as it was. It still was very exciting to me. I love music and I love singing and I was surrounded—all the people that play the musicians in the show are actual, highly regarded Nashville musicians. Between takes, if I started playing a guitar or something, they could all come in and we’d just start playing a song. That was a lot of fun, more fun doing that than, like, the scene where I start shooting a shotgun in the house or something.

Agreeing to appear in The Flash with all of the DC upheaval: “I initially had some trepidation going into it because I just adore Zack Snyder. He gave me an extraordinary opportunity when he offered me that part [in Man of Steel]. I was flabbergasted when he offered me that part. I never imagined that anybody would ever give me an opportunity like that, and I enjoyed working with him so much, so when all that went down with the Justice League, it really upset me. I know there’s two sides to every story, and I might not have all the facts so I shouldn’t have too strong an opinion about it, but when [director Andy Muschietti] called me about The Flash, first of all, I was just confused. I was like, Didn’t I die at the end of Man of Steel? Am I, like, a zombie or what’s going on?” And I confessed to Andy, I’ve really got to get Zack’s blessing to do this. I’m not going to feel comfortable unless he says he understands. but Zack gave me that blessing and I went and did it.

He didn’t film very long on The Flash: “I wasn’t there very long. It was a totally different experience than Man of Steel, which was months and months of my life, almost a year, if you count the training we did leading up to the shoot. Flash I was in and out of there in a couple of weeks. But I hear there’s been some—I’ve gotta admit, I’m not looking at the trades every morning, keeping my finger on the pulse of things, but I know there’s been some issues. It seems like they’re ready to let it out.

On Ezra Miller: “If you’re talking about Ezra [Miller], I thought Ezra was lovely—very kind to me when I was there. It’s difficult to talk about, but I always give people a lot of slack in this business, because there’s a lot of people in this business that have issues. And some people have more privacy than others. Any time somebody is out in the spotlight getting picked on, I feel for them. Even if it’s warranted, it’s still a horrible situation.

[From Vanity Fair]

I’m surprised by Shannon’s careful wording around Ezra Miller. I suspect that Warner Bros gave him some talking points, or maybe this is genuinely the way Shannon feels and he’s just trying to be nice to a costar. It definitely feels like Miller’s people are leaning towards a defense of “Miller is a troubled person dealing with complex mental health issues,” which may very well be true. But Miller has also hurt a lot of people and committed a lot of crimes. People aren’t “picking on” Ezra Miller – people are literally trying to serve various arrest warrants and protective orders on them. Anyway, I wish Michael Shannon had just said “I’m not going to talk about the Ezra Miller situation” and left it at that.

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  1. SquiddusMaximus says:

    Well… that is an incredibly diplomatic and compassionate way to approach the issue. And Michael (whom I adore) isn’t wrong — how many horror stories have we heard from people who have emerged on the other side of recovery? And the article isn’t wrong, either — people WERE hurt. But maybe it’s worth backing off (slightly) on condemnation until more facts are known. A lot of this is speculation.

    That’s just me in a good mood this morning.

    • Ameerah M says:

      Most of it is NOT speculation. Most of it are literal charges against him. Criminal ones.

      • Christine says:

        Yeah, his people, whoever they are, left him out to dry by not telling him about Ezra Miller. He looks willfully stupid, and it was never going to save this movie, no matter what he said, for the people who know about Ezra Miller.

    • North of Boston says:

      Compassionate towards Ezra, maybe. Not very compassionate towards people they harmed.

      I’m also sort of over the “just a troubled white boy with some issues” response to people who go on violent emotional and physical rampages that leave others having to deal with the damage left behind.

    • The Recluse says:

      Shannon was being diplomatic, as an adult can and perhaps should be. He doesn’t deserve to be cancelled, which people are so swift to do.
      It’s clear that he just knew Miller for a very brief work period. They aren’t close personal friends, but Shannon has probably witnessed a lot of interesting behavior over the years in his line of work. I expect if he ever wrote a memoir, he would take no prisoners.
      He’s out there to promote a film. Say the wrong, incendiary thing under those circumstances and suddenly you’re the news. It’s a tight rope. I bet he does have his opinions, but he is being diplomatic.

  2. Ameerah M says:

    White cis males caping for those who present as white cis males (yes I know Ezra is non-binary which is why I worded this carefully)…is a tale as old as time. They will ALWAYS protect each other. I am never surprised by this. But always disappointed.

    • Tacky says:

      Michael should have said, “I’m glad he’s getting the help he needs,” and left it at that. Just because other people’s bad behavior hasn’t been exposed isn’t a reason to give Ezra a pass on his crimes.

  3. Yup, Me says:

    When do troubled white guys with money ever NOT get the benefit of the doubt?

    Compassion is lovely but we all know that white guys can wage violence all over public spheres and still get the benefit of the doubt because something something mental health. (And they get bottles of water and taken to get burgers, too).

    I appreciate Shannon’s compassionate take and I call bullshit at the same time. Ezra Miller is a walking talking example of money, whiteness and privilege protecting them from the consequences anyone else would face if they engaged in the same antics.

    Imagine how folks would be losing their minds if John Boyega did half the shit Ezra Miller has been accused of in the last 3 years.

  4. Turtledove says:

    I think he was pretty diplomatic. I don’t really know what he could say that would be perfect. It’s a really touchy situation.

    He commented that overall, he sees people in this industry that go through all their dirty laundry in public and that he has empathy for that. I mean, Ezra has been credibly accused of many terrible things, that they CHOSE to do, no doubt about it. But they clearly have some mental health issues as well, which doesn’t excuse their horrible behaviour, but is simply a fact. I am not over here crying about Ezra having to go through their mental health crisis publicly because I have more sympathy for the people they hurt. But if Ezra was only hurting themself, and had the whole world watching their breakdown? I would be feeling REALLY bad for them.

    Michael does say “Even if it’s warranted, it’s still a horrible situation.”

    I think it is just hard for me to understand what he could do better? This movie employed a LOT of people, a lot of money went into it and is at stake. And WB is his “boss”. If he came out and said “#$%^ Ezra Miller and their gross abusive behaviour” that could hurt Michael’s career. Should Michael suffer because they made a movie with Ezra? ( I don’t think everyone knew about Ezra before signing on to this…did they? If so, that changes things)

    I do think it’s refreshing to see a man getting asked, because often it’s only the female coworkers that get asked about someone’s bad behaviour.

    • SquiddusMaximus says:

      Agree with everything you said. I think Michael was pretty unimpeachable in his response. No one’s saying that Ezra should avoid consequences, just that the full situation may be more complex than originally presented and incredibly painful for everyone involved,

    • The Recluse says:

      Watching someone self-destruct is bad on so many levels.
      You see what they’re doing to others and you try to be there for their victims, so they can get out of harm’s reach.
      And if you can’t get through to the problematic ones, you can only stand back and try not to become collateral damage yourself.

  5. Hawaiiangymrat says:

    While Era may be experiencing severe mental and emotional issues that are the foundation for his unstable behavior, I disagree with Shannon’s take on giving him a line, because everything is public in his case. I disagree with the fact that he’s being picked on as well. While all that might be true about him having medical mental issues, he still needs to be held accountable for the continuous string of bad choices and the people he has hurt behind them. Just because someone might have mental emotional issues that doesn’t mean legally you should have a slap on the wrist because you’re famous. I hope he gets held accountable for everything he’s done. And if he’s truly genuine then maybe he might change and come out on the other side but cannot and will not ever ever excuse that kind of garbage. When people do that’s how they turn into enablers, with people never learning to take accountability and responsibility for their actions. And it’s funny how they haven’t dropped him, compared to how other people have been treated. The double standards with Ezra has not gone unnoticed, especially when Marvel’s possibly going to kick out the guy who’s girlfriend claim he attacked her in a cab who was seen partying afterwards. He’s getting crucified dropped by PR firms left and right, and Ezra is still getting back by the studio like he never did anything…the math ain’t mathing on this.

  6. ML says:

    I hate this: “ “If you’re talking about Ezra [Miller], I thought Ezra was lovely—very kind to me when I was there. It’s difficult to talk about, but I always give people a lot of slack in this business, because there’s a lot of people in this business that have issues. And some people have more privacy than others. Any time somebody is out in the spotlight getting picked on, I feel for them. Even if it’s warranted, it’s still a horrible situation.”

    I really hate that Ezra was given a job, a “mental health troubles” ad campaign, and one of their peers is out there saying that Ezra was lovely and really kind to him. I can get on board with believing that most abusers have mental health issues: violent physical abuse is not normal. There is nothing really repentant in EM’s behavior and they have done a LOT of scary, violent sh!t in multiple places to multiple people including children. What this guy does not need is a sympathetic costar rehabbing their image.