Tatler removed one paragraph from their ‘Catherine the Great’ story, guess what it was

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Remember the Tatler “Catherine the Great” cover story, which came out in May of this year? Tatler clearly authorized it with Kensington Palace, then journalist Anna Pasternak went and did her own research and talked to the Norfolk Turnip Toffs, who clearly have a grudge against the Duchess of Cambridge. I said that at the time – that the article had a feel of “revenge of the Toffs.” The thing is, the tone was difficult to pin down – Kate was painted as the savior of the monarchy, the “kingmaker” who outshone her dull husband, the perfect Top CEO who never puts a foot wrong, and yet… in that particularly British way, it was absolutely awful about Kate, and made her seem cold, distant, pinched, lazy and (horror of horrors) dreadfully middle-class.

The immediate result was that Kensington Palace spent one full week freaking out publicly about the Tatler story. Tatler said at the time that they stood by their reporting, and they even went to KP for authorization at the beginning. The Cambridges, in turn, told everyone that they would take legal action, and Richard Kay and all of the royal commentators were dutifully dispatched to do damage control. Weeks later, Kate got a mulligan when People Magazine published a cover story with much of the same narrative, minus all of the shady sh-t. And then Finding Freedom came out and everybody sort of forgot about the Tatler debacle.

So, what now? I chanced upon this Newsweek story a few hours before several Twitter peeps picked up on it and I thought I really did a thing (but everybody else did the same thing, so nevermind). The most significant part of the story is that, months later, Tatler kept everything in the Catherine the Great cover story as-is. Minus one paragraph.

A Kate Middleton magazine article accused of a “swathe of inaccuracies and false misrepresentations” is still online months after a legal complaint from Kensington Palace. An edited version of the Tatler “Catherine the Great” cover story remains on the U.K. society bible’s website with just a paragraph removed.

Kensington Palace had sent a legal letter to the publication and issued a strongly worded statement denouncing the reporting by veteran royal biographer Anna Pasternak. Britain’s press watchdog Ipso received six complaints, though none from the palace, and these have now also all been dismissed, Newsweek has learned.

No legal action has been announced publicly four months, though the palace legally has one year within which to bring a claim for defamation.

At the time, a Kensington Palace spokesperson said: “This story contains a swathe of inaccuracies and false misrepresentations which were not put to Kensington Palace prior to publication.” Palace insiders did not go into detail about which claims elements of the story were disputed but at the time said simply it was the subject of a legal complaint.

The section edited out of the story has been seen by Newsweek and relates to a single issue. Tatler defended its coverage at the time, saying Kensington Palace had known about the story for months and “we asked them to work together on it.”

[From Newsweek]

So I really did pull up our archives and compare them to the Tatler story, which you can see here. The missing paragraph? No, it wasn’t the “Top CEO” drivel. It wasn’t the part where someone suggested that William is “obsessed” with Carole Middleton. It wasn’t the part about Kate beefing with Meghan over wedding tights. No, this is the section which was removed:

Then there’s her ‘Turnip Toff’ crowd, the Norfolk Sloanes, including Sophie Carter and Robert Snuggs, who live near Anmer Hall. And the Cambridges’ glamorous Houghton Hall neighbours, Rose Hanbury and her husband, the Marquess of Cholmondeley – with whom there was an alleged falling-out last year, over Rose’s apparent closeness to William. The whole of Norfolk was agog and the story spilled over into the newspapers. No party has commented publicly on the matter.

[From the original Tatler story, via our Celebitchy archives]

Well well well. The only thing mysteriously edited was the sole mention of Rose Hanbury. Could it be that Prince William managed to have that one thing pulled by quietly using his lawyers to threaten Tatler? Or is it something else? I mentioned at the start of this post that the Tatler piece felt like the Revenge of the Toffs. Perhaps Rose Hanbury didn’t want HER fingerprints all over it anymore. She got her point across. Kate better not try sh-t again.

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  1. Oliphant says:

    Urgh they’re all just such awful people 🙁

  2. Aurora says:

    So they removed the most incriminating stuff about William and left the stuff that makes Kate and her family look bad.

    You in danger Kate.

    • Snuffles says:

      Kate, you in danger girl!

      Yup, The Firm is teeing up Kate and the Middleton’s to be the next sacrificial lambs to protect the heir.

      I also predict Clarence House and Kensington Palace are going to have a full out war.

      • bamaborn says:

        Been saying this for a while. With the Sussexes gone, the Middletons would be the next ones thrown under the bus. Normal Bill has to some how restore the shine to that old jalopy and guess who indirectly took part in tarnishing it?

      • Anance says:

        You and me both. Does anyone remember late 2018 / early 2019 when several anti-Middleton stories came out? Of course, they were overwhelmed by the tidal wave of anti-Sussex material.

        My theory was that Carole was behind the revelation in the Mail. Hanbury made a play for William, Carole responded masterfully. Even got Kate some sash and pins, too.

        Then the strange walkabout with W&K walking to church around Jan 2020 with their friends in tow. Mike and Carole, in the middle of the line, preventing Rose, who was last, from changing her rung on the ladder. Rose’s husband had a strange look on his face.

      • Nic919 says:

        The purpose of the Chomondleys showing up in that birthday walkabout was always weird. Rose didn’t need to attend so I wonder if it was a way to shut down a bit of the affair discussion. But then with Carole lording it over them, I think Rose through her allies took Kate and Carole down a peg or two with the Tatler article.

      • Becks1 says:

        I always thought the birthday walk was for William to remind Kate of her place – sure, she gets to go to church with the Queen (although I honestly cant remember if the Queen was there that day, but as a general thing), but she was going to have to go with his mistress too.

        But, I do wonder if it was arranged by Carole in some way, and Rose was ticked at having to play along, and she struck back in the Tatler article. It would show that every time Carole and Kate try to out-maneuver Rose, she wins. (breaking the “rural rival” story which I do think was meant to make Kate look good in a way, and instead lead to the rumor of the affair of the coming out.) They try to put Rose in her place by making her walk several places behind Kate to the church, and Rose calls up Anna Pasternak to fire some well-aimed barbs.

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        I don’t think there will be a war between KP and CH. I actually think the strategy has been agreed upon by press in both houses. Whether Kate knows about it is another story.

        I actually think Wills is 100% on board with this plan and wants to get rid of Kate without it looking like it’s his fault. I think we’re going to see a lot of articles blaming Kate for Sussexit, Palace leaks, laziness, how she can’t be trusted, and only married Wills to be Queen and treated him poorly.
        There will be exposes on Carole Middleton’s aristocratic ambition. We’lll also get reminders of how much she stalked him in their 20s.

    • Becks1 says:

      YES this is what I just said below. If we assume that William was pulling strings to get that paragraph removed – why just that paragraph? He doesn’t care about the stuff that makes Kate look bad. He cares about keeping Rose’s name out of it.

      • TQ says:

        Yep. Selfish bastard. But this is what Kate signed up for.

      • Marcy says:

        I’ve been saying it for a while now; Kate has been looking rough (not as rough as middle-aged, non-wealthy me, I mean relatively) and hard lately. And way too skinny. I’m not in any way feeling sorry for her, she begged for this life and got it. But she doesn’t look at all happy.

      • Harper says:

        Will breaking up his marriage because of an affair, just like Charles did, is the Queen’s worst nightmare. I have a feeling that one of the conditions of marrying a commoner was that Will stay faithful to Kate because there was some feeling back then that the old way of doing things like marrying an aristocratic sacrificial lamb, didn’t work out with Diana. Marrying someone normal like Kate was supposed to ensure Will’s stability and happiness.

        I think Will got the paragraph removed not to protect Rose or Kate, but because he is more scared of being called out on the carpet by Petty Betty and Pissed-off Phil, and you know he would be if both of those elder royals had to relive what they went through 25 years ago with the messy public breakdowns of both Charles’ and Andrew’s marriages. If you weren’t old enough to witness it then you probably can’t even imagine how tawdry and scandalous and seriously spectacular that time was. We have no idea what pressure the Queen puts on Will to keep his family man image clean in the public eye. But we do know that the Queen did reward Kate for being quiet, and that’s one clue that she definitely is watching what’s going on with Rose and Will.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Harper – I see your point, but disagree in some aspects. I don’t think Will staying faithful to Kate was ever a condition of his marriage. I think the affairs staying QUIET was a condition. And somehow that got messed up – by Kate trying to phase out Rose, by dinner party gossip (per Tom Sykes) – who knows? But its out now. I sort of wonder if the whole emphasis on a perfect family that is put out by the royals re: the Cambridges backfired; if an aristocrat is reading countless stories of how they are the perfect family and keeps rolling their eyes, I can see the gossip coming out. Like imagine the earl’s daughter sitting next to Tom Sykes and saying “omg, I’m so OVER the whole Wiliam and Kate are so in love, he’s been sleeping with Rose Hanbury for a year now and everyone knows it!”

        Anyway, I do think there is pressure from the Queen and Charles to keep the marriage together, but I also think that pressure will only go so far. Charles’s divorce was messy and ugly, yes, but that memory is fading with time, and if anything, his marriage to Camilla provides a roadmap on how to rehab a public image.

        I do agree completely with your last sentence though – the queen is watching, she knows whats going on, and she rewarded Kate for turning a blind eye. Or a semi-blind eye.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate got the Victorian order after having disappeared from the public for almost two months in 2019 starting in mid March as this story got out. She clearly had some sort of fit and refused to work even the little she does, so then she got a ribbon and the all clear to step out in a new outfit every time she leaves the house. Just the September before Kate was supposed to hit the ground running from her return to mat leave for Louis but she never did.

      • Harper says:

        Yes @Becks1, I totally agree with you. The Queen absolutely knows that men will be men, but Wills has to do the work of keeping it quiet. No wonder Will turned the media wolves on Meghan for an efficient redirect after the Turnip Toff article came out. One thing is, this is the Queen’s perception that the marriage of Will & Kate has to be perfect in the public eye in order for the monarchy to stay popular. I doubt half of Britain would even care if Will and Kate “grew apart.” I doubt Charles would care. But this Queen has PTSD from her annus horribilus and Wills has to do his part to keep things calm where his private life is concerned.

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Harper the Sussex smear campaign was already in full bloom when the Rose story broke. It was not the point when nor the reason why William turned the media wolves on Meghan. The smear campaign started in fall 2018 after the Sussex Oceania tour, the William trimming Rose bushes was spring 2019, probably even after Archie birth.

      • Tessa says:

        Consorts have been expendable . Most recently Diana’s case. She thought the marriage was forever because divorce was discouraged. Diana was wrong, Charles wanted her out and she was out. I don’t think everybody is convinced by Charles’ spin re: him and Camilla. That said. This paved the way for William to drop Kate despite their having three children together. Diana having the two heirs did not ensure the marriage would survive.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Kate made her bed – she knew the kind of man she was desperate to marry. She willingly puts up with his sh!t, all because she and her mother want the titles, status and wealth that comes with his position.

      • joana says:

        you sound nice. hope people are nicer to you when your partner cheats and not tell you you deserved it.

      • Becks1 says:

        Her partner has cheated on her for their entire relationship. I’ll give William that – he’s a petty, jealous, cheating a-hole, but he’s never tried to hide that from Kate. It’s not so much that she “deserved” it, but she knew going into the marriage what she was getting.

        (and for the record, if you look back on older comments about this, people were a lot more sympathetic to Kate before she bullied her black SIL out of the country.)

      • Myra says:

        I’m not saying she deserves being cheated on – no one deserves that. But she did participate with the Catherine the Great story which was designed to paint her as this great, classy, indispensable person all while throwing her sister-in-law under the bus. I would at least consider that part as making your own bed.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Rose Who?”!!!! Never let this story die!

      • Lemons says:

        @joana, Kate may not deserve it. She has given him three beautiful children, even if he only wanted two.

        But they do deserve each other and whatever comes with that after their antics.

        William has to put up with a woman that clearly can’t and won’t prepare herself to be Queen besides playing dress-up. She has to put up with a husband who can’t stay faithful to her or his duties. They clearly aren’t partners to lift each other up. Aside from a neutral state of nothing-ness (which is celebrated by the RR), they can only tear each other down.

      • Lizzie says:

        Sorry, but I get uncomfortable with attacks on other posters. Making a case for a different POV is great, but it can be done without being mean or misstating the original comment. Just my humble opinion.

      • WigletWatcher says:

        William always cheated on kate. He ditched her for others. Dismissed her from their vacations early. Left her and bragged about it. And she went back. A near decade of understanding he will never be faithful and at no point was there any evidence to contradict this. Apparently he was very open about it with exs, friends and random at pubs.

        Now, does she deserve this? Does anyone? But kate chose it, allowed it and protects it. Because it is imo a compromise in their relationship to afford her what she wants.

      • February-Pisces says:

        @joana I agree that being cheated on is the worst and no one should have to go through it. However she technically agreed to a marriage on those terms, where she would get money and a title, and he gets to do whatever he wants, so their situation is different to other serial cheaters, who lie and deceive their partner. Her eyes were wide open and I think the reason she’s clinging on so bad, isn’t because she want to make her marriage work, but because she doesn’t want to lose her royal status.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate could divorce William over this and chooses not to. There is already precedent set with her in laws. So while the cheating isn’t something she deserves, she is choosing to remain in a marriage where her husband openly disdains her and does not respect their relationship. So that’s on her. And maybe the answer is that she was told from the outset he would do what he wants when he wants, so again, Kate has agency in both scenarios and she is choosing to remain and pretend that this is okay. That part is on her. That she took her misery and channeled it into attacks on Meghan in the media simply makes her a despicable human, no better than William. Her bitchface at the commonwealth service showed the world her priorities that day and they are pretty shallow.

      • Jaded says:

        @joana – Kate went willingly into a relationship knowing full well Willnot would never be faithful but she was groomed from the beginning to go after the big prize, warts and all. I certainly feel sorry for anyone who gets cheated on (I’ve been cheated on multiple times and it’s gut wrenching) but I think for her it was more an issue of it getting out in the media, not necessarily that her husband was unfaithful yet again. It appears to be a loveless marriage but she loves the prestige and power it gives her, the kind of prestige and power that helped push Harry and Meghan out of the country. Furthermore, your childish response was rude and mean. We discuss things on this forum politely, like adults.

      • notasugarhere says:

        William cheated on his uni girlfriend with Kate, while continuing to see the other woman for months after. Kate cheated with him, he continues to cheat on her for two decades now. This is the business arrangement. As Becks1 writes above, the condition wasn’t being faithful; the condition is keep the constant cheating quiet.

      • Sara says:

        @joana – hoping that someone’s partner cheats on them isn’t exactly nice either…

      • Babsorig says:

        @Joanna, please quit passive-aggressively attacking posters just because. this thread is discussing Kate and William and their marriage/relationship(s), not @DU and/or partner.

        Kate knows what she sowed, so she reaps the fruits of her labor. She wanted William, and William she gets, warts and all.

      • Joana says:

        Everyone responding to me, ya’ll don’t “disagree politely” here at all. Ya’ll *agree* politely, and disagree viciously, childishly and with great humourlessness. That’s been my observation.

      • Nic919 says:

        You don’t have a moral ground to stand here when you personally attack people so stop pretending you are any better than the people you insult.

    • Redgrl says:

      @aurora that was my thought too. And also it shows what they will and won’t “complain or explain”.

    • anotherlily says:

      The Cholmondeleys’ appearance at Sandringham was at the invitation of The Queen. It was a signal that Rose is not an outcast from Royal society. The fact that the Middletons were also there was significant too. If they were responsible for any of the gossip and for claims that Rose was ostracized this was a signal to them to shut up.

      The Marquess of Cholmondeley has the inherited position of Lord Great Chamberlain which makes him a senior member of the Queen’s Household. He has an official role in state occasions and the right to sit in the House of Lords. Interestingly, he is also a film director and actor.

    • HeyJude says:

      I honestly think William is looking to upgrade after seeing what a glamorous, dynamic woman Harry ended up with.

      It’s not that they’re trying to protect the heir, it’s William who’s grown restless and wants more (he’s greedy and egotistical). He wants his cake and to eat it in public now. He wants the wife that sparkles in front of the crowds, effortlessly handles the limelight, and has got the “it girl” factor.

      In William’s mind he’s a King, after all. A King “deserves” the best. He must top what the spare, little brother has.

      Harry got a Grace Kelly for a wife and William got a Wallis Simpson. It’s dawning on him now.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        yes and what better to shake up a dying monarchy, than a divorce, brand new wedding and babies. I am getting my popcorn for this chapter as Willieleaks tries to top his brother.

      • Chrissy says:

        How would that work though? Willileaks may want someone with some personality and dynamism because he currently lives with a personality void and a uber-manipulative MIL. He would never be happy with someone with more charisma and work ethic than himself. He is, after all, a lazy, entitled, spoiled man child who would hate being overshadowed. If he found someone like Meghan, he would make her life hell, just like Charles did to Diana. I think PWT sees how brave, happy and popular Harry is and knows he can never have the same and it’s killing him because he always gets what he wants.

  3. Kalana says:

    A few years ago, I would have felt bad for Kate but we’ve seen that Kate is thrilled and eager to spend her life being Prince William’s flying monkey, so enjoy. *Everything* that comes with being Prince William’s wife is her prize.

    Tatler has a post on a new article about “beloved” artists. The image is a portrait of Rose.

    • vanessa says:

      except you don’t know anything about Kate and how she feels about anything. I dislike the royals (except Meghan) but this gloating about this affair is so icky.

      • Lizzie says:

        Maybe I am misreading but I think the gloating is over the reporting of the affair, not the affair itself.

      • Kalana says:

        I know she went along with the budget plane stunt. I know she made a nuisance of herself at the dress fitting for Meghan’s wedding. I know that the leaks from KP involved her and KP staff. She is fine with her BiL and SiL being attacked and uses that to embiggen herself.

        I’m not going to waste my time feeling sorry for someone like this. She knows what William is and is fine with his unpleasant behavior when it’s directed away from her.
        No, she married all of him. The whole prize and William’s cheating is part of it. And people need to stop trying to shame us into pitying her.

        Her mom even tried to throw shade at Meghan. Nah, the Middletons can stay being trashed by the press because that’s their way of behaving too.

      • Bettyrose says:

        Is it about the cheating or that Will is more inclined to shut down cheating rumors than to support/defend his wife? That’s how I understood the reference to knowing what kinda guy he is, and it’s true. She does.

      • VS says:

        The same woman who went along with the FlyBe stunt? the same woman who didn’t have the courtesy to greet H&M at the CM service? the same woman who let her white woman tears being used against Meghan but had no issues defending nonsense like Botox or hair extension? that woman!

        I am sorry if I you think I don’t feel any type of pity over anything that happens to her! Women like K are the types that slowdown the progress of all women! She was more than happy to throw Meghan under the bus; she didn’t have to like Meghan but she could have treated Meghan as a human being!

        As far as I am concerned, she hasn’t received a fraction of the suffering Meghan had to endure because Meghan dared to expose her mediocrity! I am one of those who could have had empathy in the past but from now on, she is getting only 1% what she deserves!

      • GuestWho says:

        Further to what Kalana said: ” She is fine with her BiL and SiL being attacked and uses that to embiggen herself.” And she was fine with it while her SIL was vulnerable and pregnant – all while touting how important the “early years” are to child development. She’s a hypocrite of the worst order. People would probably feel sorrier for her if she 1) she wasn’t really abusive, and 2) she didn’t marry a man who had cheated with her and then on her for a decade. She never expected his faithfulness. And, I think, what people are actually amused about is the way its being covered, not the actual affair. But I honestly don’t think she’s deserving of – or even wants – sympathy for his wandering ween.

      • WigletWatcher says:

        I’ve seen the reference, but miss the point. What was the flybe stunt?

      • Nic919 says:

        Flybe was the name of the economy airline that brought an empty jet for Kate, William, the kids and Carole to fly to Balmoral to make Harry and Meghan look bad for having used Elton John’s private jet the week before.

      • Becks1 says:

        @wiglet – it was last summer, when Harry and Meghan were being killed in the press for taking private planes, William and Kate arranged for pap photos of them taking a budget plane to Balmoral. We have never seen pictures before of them actually traveling to Balmoral, and they always complain about pap pictures of the kids unless they want them published, so it was clear they called someone to be at the airport.

        The airline ended up flying two empty planes to accommodate the stunt.

      • WigletWatcher says:

        Thank you! And ugh… shameful.

      • Tessa says:

        I think Kate is unpleasant. I tolerated her until she started behaving badly to Meghan. In all the biographies I read, she would glare at women who got near William even before they started dating.

    • LULU wang was robbed says:

      For real? That’s hysterically funny, top tier shade.
      Forced to remove a paragraph about William trimming bushes, and a new article includes a portrait of Rose?
      That is absolutely deliberate on the part of Tatler and I love it

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Make no mistake about it, Rose and Marina Hanbury (with a few others) are the Queens of the Tatler Toffs.

      • B says:

        @baytampabay, I was quickly skimming through the comments and saw “Queens of the Tater Tots” instead of Tatler Toffs in yours, lol 😄

      • Becks1 says:

        AHHHH look at this:

        “After winning the prestigious BP Portrait Award at the National Gallery for her exquisite oil painting of the Marchioness of Cholmondeley (pictured)”

        Is that at Kate’s National Gallery????? Wonder if there was an award ceremony and wonder if the patron attended, LMAO.

      • yokoohno says:

        “Variety is the spice of life” – Tatler last sentence on the Rose picture 👀

      • Eugh says:

        I really like Phoebe’s work; it’s pretty refreshing. Rose has a stern expression but it’s a cool painting

      • TeamMeg says:

        Flattering portrait. Looks like someone else. @yokoohno I noticed that line, too. Ouch!

  4. S808 says:

    Out of everything, THAT was what was removed? This is weird…..why remove it now? I’m in inclined to believe that maybe rose was behind it being removed, cause if it was up to W&K the whole article would be removed.

    • C-Shell says:

      That’s my working theory, too. Because of the coincidence of the Tatler now promoting their July 30 article about young artists and the section about the “exquisite” portrait of Rose very prominently featured (also a section on the portrait artist who’s painted Phillip, Charles and other BRF members). It’s like they’re making a tacit apology to Rose by taking out that paragraph and praising her in the other article (“…variety is the spice of life” LOL), while at the same time doing minor cleanup for William, making the point that the rest of Kate The Great is true (and so is the redaction, but legal reasons), masterful really.

    • Anna says:

      Absolutley! I belive Commomdolsomethingsomething’s removed it.

    • bamaborn says:

      Sounds like Bill is still in contact with 🌹. Kate girl, you better watch your back.

    • Maevo says:

      Verrry interesting. Yes I think it was probably Rose pulling strings to protect her reputation and marriage rather than W&K.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      Yep. This was Tatler deferring to Rose, not William. William has Spencer blood, which is something, but British aristos respect the Crown, not the Windsors, who they generally view as dull German interlopers. Rose is one of their own.

    • Tealie says:

      Agree I think it was a rose or another party behind it not Keen or Peen. I don’t think Tatler, especially after the stunt they tried to pull running to all the newspapers to order faux outrage and pretend it wasn’t them to ruin Tatler reputation. They aren’t going to be done any favours

    • TeamMeg says:

      A Rose by any other name might be Camilla.

      • WigletWatcher says:

        Nah. It’s more valuable to not be William’s wife. And the way that society operates everyone sleeps with everyone. They just don’t talk about it.

  5. ABritGuest says:

    Interesting that only part edited out pertains more to William’s reputation rather than Kate’s . First I thought that was the Crown winning & protecting the heir. But then all that stuff about the psychics & Carole as mama bear was left in. So I suspect that Rose or her reps asked for that paragraph to be edited out as well. Editor might have done it as a favour.

  6. Becks1 says:

    Yay I’m glad we’re covering this! The tatler article is the story that keeps on giving.

    My initial theory upon hearing that Rose’s name was removed was that the Cholmondeley’s had asked for it to be removed – Rose has gotten her point across a few times now, with the Tatler article being a very pointed move – and she didn’t need to actually be named. Maybe the affair is long over and while the toffs are still rolling their eyes at Kate, they just didn’t feel the article needed to “go there.”

    then I wondered if one of the other two people named – Sophie Carter or Robert Snuggs – were one of the sources in the article and they wanted their names removed. This is a weaker theory to me because Sophie Carter is one of the few people that we know is close friends with Kate. (But maybe she was behind the “top CEO” nonsense quotes?)

    Anyway, so then as you mentioned Kaiser and twitter brought up – the third theory that also makes sense to me is that William WAS behind this, not as a way to protect Kate from having the affair brought up again, but as a way to protect Rose and to keep her name out of it. The other woman is protected, the wife is not. I think this works if we go with the theory that Kate and Carole were more behind the article initially than William; William reads it and the parts about “resting his head on Carole’s lap” or the séance story tick him off, and he pulls what strings he can to get the Rose mention out of the article. He leaves the other stuff up, including all the comments that make Kate look bad, as a message to Kate to lay off the embiggening articles like this – especially if she is embiggening herself at his expense.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      I think the affair is still going on – why else would William or William and Rose pull strings to get that para pulled.

      William is his fathers son who is making the same mistakes his father made – its only a matter of time before the Cambridge marriage blows up. The question is – is Rose another Camilla? Does Rose want to be a working member of the BRF? Cams works and is very supportive of Chuck but she largely remains in the background – I get the same vibe from Rose.

      • Becks1 says:

        To be honest, if we assume the affair is still going on, and that its more than “just an affair” (I would argue that an extramarital affair that goes on for years is definitely more than just an affair, i.e. its not just about the sex) – then it does beg the question of, “whats next” and my guess is that the only reason that the Cambridges are still married is because Rose wants no part of the royal family. She’s happy with the current arrangement. I think if she wanted more, it would happen.

        ETA and maybe that’s what triggered Kate last year to phase Rose out – she realized Rose was always going to be around and that the affair wasn’t going to end anytime soon.

      • HeatherC says:

        I don’t think their marriage will blow up. I think Kate is very much aware that William cheats and cheats often. She had a tiny tantrum maybe about him getting called out in the media but unlike Diana, she knew very well what she was getting into and what she would have to put up with to get that crown. She is continually rewarded for her silence, whether it be some order from the queen or another baby. She’s in it for the long haul no matter what.

      • Myra says:

        Like @HeatherC I don’t think the marriage will blow up. William knows the consequences of that on his image. By the way she brushed his hand off her shoulders à-la-Melania, I also don’t think she approves of the affair(s), but she is hardly going to leave either. They are both in it for the long run and maybe William will just have to hide his affair(s) better.

      • S808 says:

        Though there is a ready made narrative in the event they separate, I still just can’t see them getting divorced. Not unless he’s leaving her for someone else and Rose seems like she has 0 desire to be a royal.

      • Sofia says:

        Agreed @HeatherC. The Tatler article in question says it pretty clearly that she’s in it for the long haul. As long as she becomes Queen at the end, she doesn’t care who William sleeps with.

      • LULU wang was robbed says:

        The only way the Cambridges divorce is if William pulls the trigger. Kate is going to hang on for dear life, with her mother backing her up.
        Honestly, I think Carole is the secret weapon here, if they divorce, William no longer gets the coddling ‘middle class’ dynamic he’s been used to. That’s probably what will keep him hanging around longer, that and his pride and not wanting to admit he made the same mistake as his father.

      • Becks1 says:

        @S808 – that’s exactly what I think, he’s not leaving her for Rose because Rose doesn’t want to be a royal. Why should she? She has the house, the land, the access to designers, the tiara, invitations to the big royal events, etc. Her position is secure.

        Now I obviously don’t know that William WANTS to leave Kate for Rose and that this is even a question. but I don’t think the longevity of the Cambridge marriage is a settled fact – I just think divorce will only happen if William has someone else he wants to marry. Kate is not going to be the one to walk away, but I think she also knows the choice isn’t hers.

      • bamaborn says:

        Yessss!, Digital Unicorn. Not helping the wife, but coming to the defense of the alledged mistress?

      • Nic919 says:

        I’m not sure anything is still going on but if it is, I don’t see Rose looking to divorce her own husband. I think if she’s like Camilla in any way she is the Camilla who never wanted to marry Charles but just have fun when she feels like it.

      • Anance says:

        Sofia, I agree with your quote and realized how cold it is.

        “The Tatler article in question says it pretty clearly that she’s in it for the long haul. As long as she becomes Queen at the end, she doesn’t care who William sleeps with.”

        It’s one thing for a man to cheat on his wife constantly while insisting his wife put up with it. It’s quite another to have a love affair with a mutual friend and his wife not care — as long as she gets to parade the marriage as solid and gets all bennies due her.

        The power truly rests with Kate. Unlike Charles or Harry, William has nothing…no organic farming, no protection of architecturally significant buildings, no Invictus Games, etc. He only has a marriage to his college sweetheart and adorable children. If Kate gets kicked out, the dam will break on him. Something tells there’s much to dislike about him beyond the family man image.

      • Nic919 says:

        I disagree that any power lies with Kate. Charles was obviously the bad guy in every way with Diana, who was truly admired by the public. But the institution protected him and he was ultimately able to generally recover and marry Camilla. The same would happen with William and it would be easier since he still benefits from being Diana’s son in many circles, especially royalist ones. He would not be blamed for any affair, or if he would it would be for a short time. Kate is not admired like Diana ever was and Carole and the rest of the Middletons would be easy targets to blame for Willileaks cheating. Carole has not made a lot of friends and many wait with sharpened knives to be able to use them.

      • What...now? says:

        I think if Rose Hanbury wanted to be part of the Royal Family, she already would have been. She doesn’t want it. If it was before W&K married, and Rose Hanbury had shown any REAL interest in securing William, I believe he would have ditched Kate in a heartbeat to marry the extremely well-connected Ms. Hanbury. She has the marriage she wants. Let’s face it, her Houghton Hall is spectacular, there’s a castle too, and her hubs is so far up in the aristocracy she is practically royalty. She has three children, and the life she wants. She doesn’t wan’t dull as paste William, sure a fling or a hook-up on occasion, but to divorce and marry William? No. He doesn’t inspire that kind of passion that makes people do crazy stuff for love.

      • Tealie says:

        Ros has an estate and a castle as well as $100 million fortune which means she is richer than William and Kate and most other senior royals, AND freedom to swan around since her husband is always away. She’s hardly going give any of that up to become royalty, none of the toffs would. They hate the Windsor’s. Which is my little Willy will probably only restricts affairs to the Incestuous aristocratic group because none of them would ever want more.

      • Sofia says:

        @Anance: I agree with @Nic but also you. Kate doesn’t have much power here, I mean well, she does have some. William’s image is largely built on the fact that he’s better than Charles – including marriage. If people find out that William isn’t /that/ much different than Charles then it can lead to “Well the next Kings are shit so why is there a monarchy?” A lot of royalists “tolerate” Charles because they know William is next. If Charles and William are the same then what’s the point in waiting and seeing if George is different. Could start a conversation the monarchy doesn’t want.

        But the reason why Charles and Camilla got so much hate was not only because of the cheating but because of Diana’s immense popularity. Kate doesn’t have that. But my point above is why the monarchy would be in trouble and it’s not to do with Kate as a person but because of the fact that she’s William’s wife. People wouldn’t get as upset for Kate as they did for Diana. They would just get upset over another future king cheating on his wife.

      • Tessa says:

        I think Camilla DID want to marry Charles. I think she may have been relieved when Charles named her and APB called for a divorce. Her father may have secured a future marriage by bawling out Charles about his indiscretion in naming Camilla. After that I think Charles was obligated. I always thought Camilla wanted what Diana had , badly, and saw to it that she got it.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        Yes Tessa. Camilla wanted to marry Charles. Camilla always had her eyes set on Charles even when with APB. She and Charles knew what they were doing when they were canoodling during their marriages.

      • WigletWatcher says:

        Camilla always wanted to marry Charles… what? No. She had her chance and didn’t. Like it was hers for the taking. She chose her 1st husband.

      • Q says:

        I believe camilla wanted to marry charles when she got to old age and when the affair was revealed. She didn’t want to be forever known as the homewrecking mistress. She wanted charles to make her an honest woman after her divorce from Andrew Parker bowles.
        The affair almost ruined her and she was portrayed as a witch. It was only when charles put a ring on it the romeo and juliet storyline came about and it saved her.
        APB was always her goal and her first love. She got him. Married him and had his children.
        I’m talking about the later stage after Andrew divorced her. She was never going to accept just being the side chick/girlfriend at that point.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        @wiglet I believe Camilla always loved Charles, but did not have a chance before as she did not meet the standard of appropriate consort to a king (i.e. not a virgin etc), It was never hers for the taking as the men in grey would never approve. Charles never proposed as he was dallying aorund with other ladies. She loved APB, but I have no doubt that if Charles had proposed she would have accepted in a millisecond.

  7. Digital Unicorn says:

    This ‘request’ clearly came from William (or Rose or both of them) as the other damaging stuff about Kate and her family have been left in. Hmm, seems that Dowager Duchess Carole is losing her influence over William – once upon a time the media would never have dared write a piece like this about Kate or the Middletons for fear of reprisals from Willileaks. That marriage won’t last and he’s clearly done with the Middletons – he wants out and as others have said he’s setting Kate and the Middleton’s up to take all the blame.

    William needs a new whipping post now that Harry and Meghan are out of reach. It was only a matter of time before he turned on Kate and her family in the same way he turned on his own brother.

    • Ginger says:

      I think it was William (and maybe Rose) there were so many articles claiming KP was taking legal action and we all assumed it was Kate when it was William all along. Maybe Rose helped push for them to remove it.

  8. Marjorie says:

    Whatever happened to “never complain, never explain?” It would be working so much better for these idiots.

    Wills married Carol Middleton’s daughter, and this is what happens instead. The Marquess of Cholmondoley has WAY more “toff” blood than the current future future king, and the marchioness isn’t an amateur. I love that they got W&K to stand down.

  9. Myra says:

    Sometimes, when I’m procrastinating, I randomly think of this bit in the Tatler article. “Endearingly, following the spirit of Diana, both William and Kate consult psychics. A medium who went to Kensington Palace to ‘channel’ for them found William to be ‘open-hearted and lovely’.” I always wonder why we don’t talk about this enough. That’s the most interesting ‘fact’ about William the Bore I’ve ever heard.

    • chicken tetrazzini! says:

      Right? What if he’s a big psychic guy and regularly has readings with a person Medium to help him make decisions. Now that would make him much more interesting

      • Myra says:

        Does he schedule appointments as one does for dental check-ups or more like one does for therapy sessions? I have so many questions. And such a great question you asked – does it assist him with decision making? Every great king has had a lovable wizard by his side.

      • Chaine says:

        A medium is supposed to be a voice for the spirits of the dead. I wonder if that means William is trying to reach Diana to get her counsel. No snark here, I don’t believe in ghosts but I understand why people would and would try to speak to a loved one who is no longer with them.

    • Lemons says:

      I completely forgot about this! 😭 The RR’s eyes must have glazed over and they all collectively decided to forget as well.

    • Bev says:

      I heard Charles and Diana also used mediums. Charles to talk to his uncle Mountbatten. Dunno about Diana. Why on earth does William want to talk to Diana though? All his decisions show he doesn’t really rate her. Now he wants her advice?

  10. Merricat says:

    I am more inclined to believe that Tatler took out this paragraph at Rose’s behest, mainly because so many other unflattering bits about W & K were left in. It’s the only “actionable” sort of item in the piece, I think, and as someone said, the impact left by the original publication is what will be remembered, not the revised version.
    Kate looks older now than my mother did at 50. I’d feel sorrier for her if we hadn’t watched her make that bed, sheet and pillowcase and all.

  11. Snuffles says:

    I know people like to say Kate knew what she was getting into and must be OK with the cheating but I see a woman wasting away and slowly dying inside.

    She may have initially thought it was all worth it to get “the crown” but I feel like the sands are shifting. Maybe she told herself (or was told by others) it was OK because that’s what ALL royal wives deal with. But, if I we’re her, seeing Harry being so in love and loyal to Meghan that he willingly gave it all up to create a new life for themselves must be a giant bitter pill to swallow. She might be questioning all of her life choices right now and trying to force William to choose her above all others.

    I dunno, I honestly feel like I’m watching a slow motion break down.

    • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

      Interesting. I thought that as well, esp. as they may have been spending more time together, yet alone (different parts of Amner). There have been HUGE swaths of time when they live apart (her there, him in London or *wherever*, he sure as sh*t wasn’t turning up for “work”); and let’s not forget Kate let it slip that Wandering Willie was barely around for George’s first six months!

      I think Kate really *did* truly love William at the beginning. She would look at him adoringly, and he’d barely acknowledge her, yet, like an abused puppy, she kept coming back hoping he would love her “that way”. Kate increasing thinness could be an indication of being well and truly sick of him and his bulls*t by now, esp. seeing a *true* love match in H&M, but she’ll never leave.

    • Nic919 says:

      The concept of an open marriage is easier than the reality so whether or not an explicit discussion ever took place, the reality of the cheating, and it’s not just with Rose, is probably not easy to accept. And I agree that seeing Harry fall for Meghan and treat her with utter respect has got to grate because she married the Windsor boy who doesn’t even bother to do that.

    • Lady D says:

      Kate’s the only one that can change this scenario too. If Diana taught her anything, it’s that the married-in’s are on their own. No one in that RF is going to step up and make sure Kate’s okay, just ask Meghan. It has to be her that straightens out her life, but having had all her decisions made for her from day one of her life, it will be hard for her. I wonder if she’s in counseling?

    • CC says:

      Yea, I do think Kate thought it was worth it at first. She was really young when she was with William. After a certain point, perhaps she felt like she already put in a lot of effort and she has nothing else going for her.

      Also, as you get older, most women start to care less about the wealth, jewels and status. Most, not all, lol. When you start to age and you’re no longer the prettiest woman in the room and your husband isn’t as in love with you anymore, who cares if you’re a Duchess? Or Future Future Queen? I don’t know if she’s in that stage yet, but I’m guessing she must be feeling the start of it at least. That all of it wasn’t worth the trouble. But she has 3 lovely kids now and she’s trapped. That’s how I would feel.

    • windyriver says:

      Agree with all of the above. But I wonder if there isn’t an additional factor – fallout from Harry and Meghan leaving. The general consensus here has been, the RF never expected them to actually go. Which means, Will and Kate expected they’d still be around for them to hide behind, work wise, to throw under the bus when necessary, etc.

      But they did leave, and it happened fast. Wouldn’t be surprised if Will especially is a bear to live with; he’s lost control over his brother, is probably jealous of what H&M have achieved so far, and the fact that their popularity hasn’t dimmed at all. I’m sure it’s taking time for the RF as a whole to get used to the new normal. It’s not just Harry out in CA that has had to adjust.

      Plus, the spotlight is now wholly on W&K. They must be aware themselves that with H&M out of England, refusing contact with the tabloid press, and shutting down sources of leaks in the RF that KP used as currency with the media, they are now on the potential chopping block. We’ve seen those little hints here and there in recent articles.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I think kate thinks she loves him, but really she’s just desperate for him to love her, for her own validation. Her self worth is tied to the fact that she’s married to the future king, which makes her feel somewhat special, but the reality is she doesn’t actually value or respect her at all. Diana had similar feelings for Charles, all she really wanted was for him to show her some love, but it never came.

      • WigletWatcher says:

        I think most of us can all remember that person we dated that we craved affection from for validation or security. But we got out of it. We learned to love ourselves and that we deserved better from ourself and others. We grew to understand what love actually is.

        Trouble possibly here is kate never grew. She had her mother instilling the wrong values here. To play games and take the disrespect because of the payout later. But kate has grown now and can make her own choices. She isn’t a child and no one should be making anymore excuses for her.

  12. Lizzie says:

    I saw elsewhere that this edition of Tatler with Kate on the cover had to have the price slashed because it was such a poor seller.

  13. Sofia says:

    I agree with @ABritGuest above. This paragraph was probably removed at Rose’s request. If KP asked for it to be removed, they would have taken the whole article down. If William alone asked for it, he would have asked for the parts about him being “obsessed” with Carole and visiting psychics be removed. But they only removed the Rose mention which suggests that she asked for it to be removed.

    I don’t think she (Rose) wants spotlight too much. She was lowkey during that state dinner (tiara hidden away, no wedding ring, simple dress) and she looked miserable most of the time at the church walk on Kate’s birthday when the paps were there. At this point, she probably wants the rumour to die as much as the Cambridges do.

    • CC says:

      Yeah i agree too. I don’t really get the narratives of Rose here…simply because I don’t know anything about her personality at all. I can’t see why Rose would be the one that would talk about the affair. She has her own pretenses to keep up. She doesn’t seem like she wants any attention. If anything, it’s one of the others who wanted to put the Cambridges in place.

      • Sofia says:

        I don’t think anyone here really knows what Rose is like but she’s been around these aristos all her life and she’s got aristo ancestry (like Camilla). I think she knows that any mistress of the future King needs to be discreet and that does NOT include allowing Tatler to make hints towards it (for too long). That’s how she and her peers have been raised.

      • Tessa says:

        a Major way Camilla got “in” was when Charles named her. APB divorced her, Camilla’s father bawled out Charles and Charles was obligated. If William does the same, Rose would be “in.”

  14. Bibi says:

    Oh the turnip toffs might be mooooooootivated with the removal of this paragraph! They are rich and probably have a looot of time on their hands because they probably all work like top-ceo’s, and seeing how the British can be salty and scheeming, i think we’ll get more of rose bushes shade since it aggravates kate & will so much. I hope so because DM is so boring.

  15. Lizzie says:

    Closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out. Or whatever that phrase is.

    • FicklePickle says:

      It’s like, the horse not only got out, the horse got bored waiting for somebody to show up and put it back in the barn so it ran away to join a commune in the wilds of Montana.

  16. Nikki says:

    Didn’t William have a successful privacy action regarding the affair? British publications aren’t allowed to mention it.

    • Sunday says:

      Yes, exactly. I think that *if* anyone in the Cambridge camp had this removed, it would be because their lawyers were able to relate it to the already in-place privacy action surrounding mention of will and rose.

      However, to me it seems obvious that the real winner here is Tatler – they get a surge of new traffic on the edited article, and then a ton of traffic on their latest story that also happens to include Rose. Both of these moves are within their legal rights and do not require consent from any of the involved parties. It’s quite deviously brilliant on Tatler’s part, actually.

      I mean, how did this story even get out? How would Newsweek (or anyone else, for that matter) notice that one paragraph from a months-old story was quietly removed? Oh, that’s right, because Tatler happened to retweet it right around the time the Newsweek article came out.

      Whether they already had the current ‘beloved artist’ story in the works and were deciding on how best to market it, or they’d experienced a dip in readership and wanted to recapture that royal surge, it is quite clear that Tatler decided to remove the paragraph and then leaked it, in order to drive traffic (and $$$) to their publication.

    • Becks1 says:

      It was never really an action per se, as far as we know. There were some letters sent threatening legal action, and I think that was enough to make the press back off. At the time, they had the Sussexes to sell papers. Now……

    • Nic919 says:

      There was a media blackout, but no court order that we are aware of. Basically William abused his power to hide his cheating and act as though it was on the same level as state secrets. The Uk has a serious problem here when they permit the Windsor’s to manipulate the press like this. You wonder what else they have hidden that we haven’t been made aware of.

  17. Tiffany says:

    I have always been of the theory is that the true aristocrats tolerate Bill because he is the future Prince of Wales and Kate, never having the good sense to know when to stay in her lane, can and will be a afterthought.

    But after reading this story, I still feel that way and I also think it was a warning shot to Bill as well. I think he is there to entertain the true blue bloods until he is not.

    • Snuffles says:

      I’m curious, I’ve seen it mentioned a few times that William isn’t as “blue blood” as the rest of the Turnip Toff set. Why? He’s the future King. Diana was from a well established aristocratic family. What makes him different? Why do you think other aristocratic families just tolerate him?

      • Sofia says:

        Because they see the BRF as a bunch of german upstarts – they even thought Diana was marrying down. The House of Windsor’s name was/is Saxe-Cobug and Gothe before they changed it to Windsor due to the anti german sentiments at the time. And before that they were the House of Hanover – again a German royal branch. They don’t seem them as a “British royal family”

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Because the Windsors haven’t been in Britain as long as some of the old aristocratic families, like the Percys and the Howards. When it comes to blue blood it isn’t just a question of rank but also of how old your name is. Fx, the House of Percy was founded in 1067. They came over with the Conqueror! They’ve been English aristocrats for almost a millenia. The Windsors, on the other hand, descend from the House of Hannover and they came to the throne in the beginning of the 1700s. A mere 200 centuries ago – and they only came to the throne because the English thought that a German Protestant king was preferable to an English catholic one. In terms of aristocratic lineage, the Windsors are basically parvenus.

  18. Snuffles says:

    @sofia Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Interesting. Well, if they view William like that, they must think Kate is pond scum.

  19. JT says:

    Does anybody believe that Kate actually truly loves William? She’d been plotting to marry William for a decade, well before she had even went out on a date with him. Kate chose Will before she knew if he would treat her well, before she knew if he was kind, before she knew of his personality. She chose him. In articles about Kate, they never really say she fell in love with Will, or that he was her soulmate. Even in the Tatler article, it states that Kate has a duty to her husband, but it never says how in love she is with him, just that she had her eyes on the prize. It almost sounds like their courtship was an arranged marriage. Everyone talks about Kate’s antics to get Will to take her back, like how she was in cahoots with the media ( so for all those who think Kate is so innocent, she’s been feeding the media for 20 years now), but nobody says she wanted to get back with him because she missed him in her life or something. Her personality was more vivacious back then, but I think that was just a mask she needed to hook him. The women he was interested in had more personality. Kate reminds me of Amy from Gone Girl, projecting a personality until her real self comes through. Maybe even William had the wool pulled over his eyes. I personally don’t think Kate has a real love toward William. I think she loves him, but I don’t think she has ever been in love with him. How could she if he was merely a goal to her?

    • Snuffles says:

      I don’t think Kate even knows at this point. I think she obviously had a crush on him as a teen. But her mother might have been the motivating force to position her daughter to be near William and become a part of his peer group.

      Honestly, I don’t think either of them love each other. I think Kate viewed him as the ultimate prize and William settled because every other woman didn’t want to suffer the same fate as Diana.

      • JT says:

        I agree. I don’t believe she’s torn up over these affairs. I think her weight loss and obvious stress comes from her not feeling very secure in her position. Will keeps Kate on her toes, so in that respect I think she feels like she has no control, and Kate is very controlled. Nobody is praying for them to break up, but it’s obvious their marriage is not a true partnership built on mutual respect. It’s just means to an end for the both of them.

    • Becks1 says:

      I think this is a really good point. Would Kate have married him regardless of how he treated her?

      Remember when Will was away about 6 months into her marriage (Falklands?) and Kate said she missed him but was being well taken care of? It was a really weird comment. Like its William’s job to “take care of her”, not to love her? Contrast that with Meghan talking in the South Africa documentary about how much she missed Harry when he was away from her for just a few days.

      I think there is some love between William and Kate, or at least some sort of affection/good feeling, and I hope that Kate wouldn’t have married him if he was a total ass to her, but who knows?

      I do feel like every aspect of Kate’s personality is designed to please William, which is sad, but also explains some of the animosity towards Meghan, who actually has her own personality. And I know often, when people who dated in high school or college get married, there are a great deal of overlapping interests because they grew up together, but Kate and William feel different. Kate loves tennis, but that is a very royal interest; she loves sailing, again, a very royal interest; she loves skiing, etc.

      • Sofia says:

        This is an interesting perspective here Becks. I agree that there is some love in the relationship. After all, Kate and her family provide William with the family stability he never had and William provides Kate and her family with a social standing that no-one else can really provide.

        But I definitely do agree with the part about Kate’s personality. From 18 onwards, her whole life has had some William association, whether it’s as his girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, fiancee, wife or mother of his children. She’s never had a life outside of William nor any interests. The tennis interest may have come about because Carole kept pushing them to “aristo sports”. And this is the bit that I do feel sorry for her because I don’t think she’s ever had the opportunity to have a life outside of William.

      • A says:

        @Becks1, I think William and Kate do care for each other, and love each other. But are not exactly in love. I think both of them made it very clear what they expected from this marriage. William wanted a dependable, steady person who could do “the job” of being his consort without courting too much press attention, who would put up with his vagaries without getting upset, who would take care of hearth and home and his children and give him the stable family life he always wanted, and Kate would get to be Queen.

        In exchange for these things, the two of them will never divorce, will never separate. They will never cause the sort of shitstorm that Charles and Diana’s relationship did. Kate will never expect more from William beyond being his consort, and William will never want anything more from Kate than to run his house, be his wife, and be a pretty, boring figure who can be counted on to never embarrass the institution by expecting them to treat her with basic decency.

        I think William loves her in the sense that, she is the mother of his children. She works and keeps the family home. She gives him a place to come back to. Always. Even when they were just dating. He can count on her to be there for him, always, to hold his hand when life gets too emotionally difficult for him to cope with. That’s not nothing. I know people always say that William is two hairs away from divorcing Kate at any given time, and frankly, I don’t see that at all. Divorce requires a person to be proactive, while William doesn’t have a proactive bone in his body (except the one he’s using on Rose).

        It also requires a person to be okay with moving into uncharted territory in their life. William, as we know, likes what is most familiar and comfortable. Kate has been at his side, in some way or another, for about 20 years now. Who could be more familiar or comfortable than that? I think he loves her because she fulfills the wants he’s had his whole life, and he knows he won’t ever get a person like that to marry him, ever.

        I think William is already an ass to her in many ways, but I also think he loves her for what she does for him in their partnership/marriage. And as for Kate, I think she loves him because she sees him as someone she can take care of, and for her, that’s what love is. Taking care of someone’s needs, especially emotionally. I think that makes her rather happy, and she’s happy that he needs her to do that for him. But do they love each other as people? For who they really are? Meh. Who knows.

      • Becks1 says:

        @A – your last sentence about them loving each other as people for who they really are pretty much sums it up, I think. They each have a role to play in the relationship and they seem to love each other for that role (will’s primary role, obviously, being a prince and Future Future king, Kates primary role being to let him have the “normal family life” he always wanted.) But that’s not being in love with a person.

        all that said, I think its clear Kate has been looking unhappier and tenser around him, so I think whatever arrangement they may have had 10 years ago, its no longer working for one of them.

      • Nic919 says:

        @A. While your analysis is very thorough, I also have to echo what Becks has said about how Kate has looked more dissatisfied in the last year since the Rose affair became public. And she also hid for about two months from the public too. She’s clearly not ok with his gardening activities now. Was this the first time his cheating was made obvious? Is it because it’s now public that she’s upset? Whatever it is there has been a change and the adoring looks aren’t happening like they did in the past. He never ever looked at her so he didn’t really change on his end.

      • windyriver says:

        @A. I wonder how much of this is still true, or more specifically, if it’s still enough. Both Will and Kate are approaching 40, when it would be natural for someone to evaluate where they are, where they’re going, and, I suspect, particularly in Will’s case, whether he’s satisfied with his current life. Kate is probably willing to continue the status quo. I agree with others it’s been obvious something is up with Kate, so I’m not sure that’s what William wants.

        I think the fact that Harry found the love of his life has had the potential to really disrupt whatever balance/bargain Will and Kate had up to now. Whatever’s between them, it’s certainly not the passion that Harry has with Meghan. Maybe after 20 years of Kate, Will sees that and is starting to look for more. Whatever needs he had at 20, 30, 35 may not be what he wants now. This could be why the affair with Rose was so distressing; whether or not it has long term potential, possibly it was serious in a way other affairs were not.

      • A says:

        @Nic919, @Becks1, well, I think they love each other, but aren’t in love, and this has always really been the case for the better part of their relationship. I wasn’t really ever convinced by the adoring looks. While I think a lot of it probably has to do with Rose, a lot of it is also just the fact that they’re almost 10 years into their marriage, with three kids, and the two of them essentially live separate lives it seems. I think it’s harder to fake after the early days, after the initial glow of victory/happiness fades away, and the reality of what I guess is a fairly lonely life sets in.

        But with Rose specifically–on the assumption that W&K have something of a relationship, or at least something of a marriage, it is a betrayal. It’s easier to close your eyes and block out the reality when your spouse takes pains to not flaunt their affairs in front of you. But I think the stuff with Rose, especially how it made its way into the papers, was a betrayal for Kate. While Kate is a mercenary, and knows what she signed up for, I also think she did build a life and a family with William, which she maybe assumed he’d always respect, at least outwardly. An affair that leaked into the papers, which everyone essentially knows about, was probably a betrayal of her trust, and honestly, I don’t think he’s doing a great deal to really repair that at all.

        I still think that, five years down the line, they’ll start talking openly about how they went to marriage counseling or something. It’ll be a way for them to acknowledge their problems on their own terms, but also a PR coup that will better allow them to cosplay as the typical British middle-class couple. Mostly the latter. They’ll tie it in with their mental health advocacy, make it something abt how, “Oh your children are only ever as happy as the parents!” or whatever.

      • Tessa says:

        I think William settled for Kate. I think if he wanted out and wanted to marry someone else he would leave her. I have no doubt of that.

      • Tessa says:

        Diana loved Tennis. Though it is a royal interest, Charles flat out refused her request for a tennis court at Highgrove.

      • Nic919 says:

        Loving someone involves respect even if it’s not passionate love and William has never demonstrated respect toward Kate so I don’t think he loves her. He knows she’s loyal and will do what he wants her to do (or at least she did until recently) so that’s good enough for him for the purposes of the woman who will have and raise his kids. He’s been disrespectful toward Kate from day one of their marriage with comments that approach what Charles said to Diana (whatever love means). Kate probably thought she loved him in that has a crush that turns into an obsession “so that must be love right” kind of way. I think seeing how much Harry respected Meghan in addition to the passion really opened her eyes to what love can be, and what she doesn’t have with William. It is noticeable that her bitterness became more obvious once Harry went public with Meghan. Her attitude at their wedding was pretty sour and not what a sister in law who understands the value of a family photo normally does. I think she started to realize that she also settled but didn’t know she had until she saw what was possible. With strong rumours of Mike having someone on the side for a while, she probably doesn’t know what a true marriage of equals can be. And pulling out the whole after kids, years later excuse doesn’t work for me. I have plenty of couple friends who have been together as long as Kate and William with kids, and the husbands wouldn’t dare treat their wives as William does Kate. They would be divorced by now if they did do that.

      • windyriver says:

        @Nic919 – I think Kate’s early sourness was simple. She suddenly had competition for the pretty young female royal, wife of Diana’s son, space, from another young very pretty woman, who was getting huge publicity as the new game in town, and the woman Harry finally found to marry. She probably also resented losing whatever of Harry’s attention she had when it was just the threesome with Will. We’ve seen that when Kate feels bitchy, her expression reflects it, and the antics over the years, culminating in the CW church appearance, show when she’s in a mood, she doesn’t seem to care about optics.

        As you say, I also suspect that Kate has had few if any people close to her to model what a mature, healthy partner relationship is. Must have been startling for Kate to see how Harry treated Meghan, how he truly respects and values her, while at the same time Will barely noticed her in public and was busy gardening with the neighbor. And then – Harry left the RF and the country, with and for Meghan, turning his back on everything Kate had worked her entire adult life to secure. I find Kate hugely unappealing, and her behavior towards Meghan was despicable. But if she’s questioning whether the emotionally hollow bargain she made with Will to get the titles and tiaras is really worth it, that must be painful.

    • CC says:

      Kate and Williams relationship now seem cordial enough. I think there’s mutual fondness. Love? I’m not sure? But I do think there’s a level of comfort Kate brings to William. Idk, maybe I’m too naive. Their interactions suggest to me that they’re friendly with each other. They co-parent and they’ve been in each others lives for so long. I don’t think William hates her or anything. Kate is probably most herself with him than with anyone else. They probably have an agreement to do whatever as long as they don’t embarrass each other. Or who knows..maybe he had an affair and they’re trying to reconcile.

      I keep thinking of their awkward hand holding at Eugenies wedding. It’s almost like what I see couples do when their couple’s therapist give them homework to hold hands or something, lol. Anyone found that weird? I feel like there was a lot of unspoken emotions there with them. I’m melodramatic but it didn’t look like two people pretending to like each other, but two people trying to like each other.

      • MaryContrary says:

        I know people here like to say they’re miserable together-but I never see that at all. I can find lots to criticize them about-but not that.

      • MsIam says:

        @MaryContrary Kate’s husband is cheating on her, she tried to push out the mistress and apparently failed and her neighbors know and are laughing at her. And her husband doesn’t seem to care much about her feelings. Kate looks terrible like she’s wasting away so yeah, it doesn’t look like happiness to most people.

      • Becks1 says:

        @CC – this is pretty accurate, IMO:

        “It’s almost like what I see couples do when their couple’s therapist give them homework to hold hands or something,”

        There’s an awkwardness to their behavior together that suggests they are working on….something.

        @MaryContrary – nah, there is definitely something there. There have been too many incidents of William looking bored as hell when she is talking, Kate shrugging his touch away ( knowing she is on camera), etc. I know it is easy to think that we are a bunch of anti-Cambridge conspiracy theorists (you didn’t say that, I’m just exaggerating a bit lol) but there have been enough little incidents over the past few years that really make it seem there is a lot going on behind the scenes.

      • Nic919 says:

        They don’t need to be constantly touching each other but for a couple who has been together almost 20 years they still have the most awkward body language with each other. That’s not normal in a solid relationship. They don’t act like they actually live together.

  20. Ariel's Song says:

    I I just love the photo of Kant&Wont staring at Rose lol Kant really thought she had a friend. Cant wait to see it all burn!!¹

    • Lady D says:

      Not that I care about Kate, but there isn’t much funny about being stabbed in the back by a best friend. Those who can relate put up your hand.

      • MsIam says:

        Rose was never Kate’s friend, she was probably laughing at her along with the rest of the bunch. Just like they laughed at Diana. If William loved Kate he would have cut off those folks the way Harry did. But Willam thought he was in on the joke too. I bet that Tatler article was an eye opener for him too.

      • Lizzie says:

        I thought the point of the Tatler article was that ‘Kate has decided that is her tribe’ then the aristos mock her. So they were never her friends. Everyone comes off badly in my opinion.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate and Rose were never ‘friends’, rather neighbors. Kate is not a girls girl. Kate doesn’t have female friends, other than the handful of William’s existing female friends she targeted in order to get into William’s circle.

    • SomeChick says:

      That photo really does seem to say it all. Rose is talking. Mr Rose is looking off someplace in the distance. Kate is standing very close to William and smirking. And William is looking like he hopes it doesn’t all blow up right then and there. Seems like Rose is the power player.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Judging from these photos you can tell that kate actually knows about the affair. She seems a hell of a lot more animated than usual whilst rose and Willie look a little awkward. Kate seems to be enjoying putting on a show and is rather smug. She looks determined to outshine rose here and make sure all the attention is on her.

  21. tee says:

    still not over how bizarre this story was. convinced the quotes were satire to this day. truly an exhibition on humbling someone by way of sycophancy.

  22. Snuffles says:


    I think Kate knows the press is coming after her next now that the Sussex’s dipped.

    • JT says:

      It certainly seems that way. The press have been very subtle, but they’ve been hinting. The BM have been used to global coverage with H&M, now they are stuck with local intrigue from W&K. The article yesterday stating that the monarchy doesn’t have the luxury to be private like H&M was quite ominous.

  23. RoyalBlue says:

    the Rose and William news is not going away, so I am guessing whatever they had going on is still continuing. This is probably more than an affair, she could be content being his long term mistress, they just don’t want it in the news.

    Keen will stick around for the ride as she wants that crown!

    • Tiffany says:

      Here is where the problem lies.

      There is a affair. It sucks but it is happening.

      Bill has no chill and that is why the Toff’s laugh at him and see him a entertainment.

      Kate, thinking she had to pull the exile Rose ( Really???!!!) is seeing where she stands.

      This set has rules, manners and the expectation of privacy being had among them and these two clowns have absolutely no game in how that works and if their personalities were better it wouldn’t be like this.

    • Mindy_Dopple says:

      Yup. She could be contented to be the Penny to his Phillip.

  24. Kfg says:

    I think will and the rr are going to put her out as the scapegoat. Once Charles is in charge, Kate will be gone and she will be blamed for H&M leaving the firm. She will be the scapegoat to protect will and then his turnip toff mistress will be his wife and the queen

    • Snuffles says:


      Yup. I think the phasing out has begun and Kate is panicking.

    • Lady D says:

      Kate will not go quietly. Unle$$…

      • Snuffles says:

        Well, her goal in life is to be rich and lazy. She might divorce him for the right price. Then she won’t have to pretend she cares about charity or her duties any more.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        If it comes to it she will go quietly – too much dirt on her family (Uncle Gary and Party Pieces finances) and Pippa’s FIL. Not to mention that I firmly believe Harry has receipts on the Mids leaking to the press about him and Meghan. It wasn’t just their Press Sec’s partner (whom was paid), the story of Pippa’s FIL raping 2 women went away rather quickly plus there was those interviews Carole did.

        Carole might think she has dirt to protect her family and social gains, but she is wrong – the RF will burn them all if it comes to it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Agreed, Digital Unicorn. Too much about the Middletons, Uncle Gary, and the Matthews families could be revealed.

        LadyD, Kate only has potential claim on William’s current net worth. If he paid a large sum towards her parents new house, that would count as a post-nup. She has no claim on the Duchy, neither did Diana. She also has no claim on William’s future private inheritances.

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        Ha! Kate will do exactly as she is told if she wants to keep her children close to her. When her children’s “Grandpapa” becomes King, he will have legal custody of George, Charlotte, and Louis. Kate will be obedient for the sake of her children. Otherwise, she could be stuck with a worse custody arrangement than Diana and Diana got the raw end of the stick as far as custody went.

    • February-Pisces says:

      Kate has known for a long time Willie is half way out the door. People always say they will never divorce, but looking at Kate’s actions, she know it’s a possibility, cos why would she be so insecure if her position was solid.

      • Snuffles says:

        I’m not saying that Will is innocent by any stretch of the imagination, but Kate sure as hell played a HUGE part in driving Harry and Meghan away. Kate might have been behind the more egregious media attacks specifically against Meghan. I’m sure Harry and Will have their beefs, probably a lot of it over money and who gets what, but at the end of the day they are still brothers and still love each other. Even if they occasionally want to punch each other in the face sometimes.

        I’m sure The Firm is panicking behind the scenes. Their gambit to drive Meghan to divorce Harry failed. Their gambit to cut Harry off from all things Royal with the hope that he would find real life hard and come crawling back within a year also failed. At this point I think they might be desperate to have Harry back on HIS terms if necessary.

        Also, The Firm knows that the Royal Reporter cartel need a new victim to feast on. And since Will is the heir, they will do anything to protect him. So Kate and the Middleton’s it is! They will lay the blame of Sussexit entirely at their feet and air out ALL of their dirty laundry. That’s the new narrative they are laying the groundwork for.

        If Will wants a divorce and wants Rose to replace Kate, the best Kate can hope for is a nice divorce settlement and a life of luxury and obscurity as she raises the next King of England.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate is directly to blame for not shutting down the “making Kate cry” story. She could have done so easily. And her bitchface at the commonwealth service was all her own doing as well. The flybe stunt sounds more like something william thought up and she joined along.

      • bamaborn says:

        When Betty goes, all bets are off!

      • Lady D says:

        Big brother stabbing little brother in the back most publicly is not ‘they have beefs, but love each other in the end’ type of actions. He blatantly told the press Harry was mentally fragile, and his plane stunt was beyond the pale. I think William went scorched earth to get rid of Meghan and it cost him his brother. Harry’s never going to turn his back on William again. I think if Harry had to choose between siding with Will or Kate, he’d just turn around and walk away. What’s that expression, he wouldn’t p*ss on William if he was on fire? That relationship is over.

      • notasugarhere says:

        This is why we keep seeing pro-Kate PR from the Middleton camp. They know they’re on borrowed time with William, but they’re trying to get Kate better PR in the meantime.

    • GuestWho says:

      No way in the world Rose is going to leave her cushy marriage and life to end up “Camillla-ed” in the press. Why would she? She has it made as is.

      • Snuffles says:

        🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️ I honestly don’t know anything about Rose so I can’t even begin to guess how she feels.

      • S808 says:

        I agree with everything except William leaving Kate for Rose. Rose is in a great position no way is she gonna drop that for being William’s wife.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      I don’t know what Rose wants, but here’s how this could work, in my view. Rose’s husband is 60 years old & rumored to have a (male) sidepiece (in Paris, I think?). Rose is 36. She’s still raising young kids out of the spotlight & is running Houghton Hall, which is a job in & of itself. (They just did a really nice sculpture exhibit, incidentally.) But once David Rocksavage dies, my understanding is that his title & the estate will pass to their son, Alexander. Presumably Rose will get some money as well, but the estate will not be hers.

      So why not consider pulling a Camilla? She’ll have been able to raise her kids without scrutiny & then can have a different title, estates & other privileges that would come with the Crown. And it would be a win for William. His dad already showed it can be done, Rose has actual aristo bona fides, plus has shown work ethic & creativity in keeping Houghton Hall solvent & relevant. She has much more to offer as a consort than Kate, now that she’s provided heirs. And having a consort who’s willing to work could take pressure off William. So I think it’s a win-win if Rose wants the gig.

      • Snuffles says:

        Interesting. So Rose won’t inherit much when the hubby dies. Yeah, I could see her lining herself up for William.

      • Sofia says:

        Thing is, David is /only/ 60. He’s possibly got another 30 years or so barring any health issues. Even if he dies 30 years later, she’ll be 66. At that point, she might not care enough to get married to another man (said man who will most likely be King) at the time and just be content to remain a widow

      • Lizzie Bathory says:

        There was an interesting interview with David Rocksavage that I read a while ago where he talked about living on an estate like Houghton Hall. He described it as being like the curator of a museum. He sort of alluded to the fact that he (like most aristos who still have those big estates) is comparitively cash poor. Most of the money is tied up in the property, constant maintenance, etc. So the ones who stay solvent find ways to open the estates to the public, do art installations & the like. Rose probably has much more coming her way from her family than from David.

        Sofia, yes, he could live a long time & she might have no interest in remarrying. But they also could do a quiet aristo divorce at some point now that there are heirs to the title & estate. With Houghton Hall & her charity work in Norfolk, Rose strikes me as someone who likes to stay busy, so whatever happens, I think she’ll always find ways to occupy herself. If she is so inclined, the consort role could be a good fit for that. No idea what she wants, but I do find it interesting that this affair keeps popping up.

      • bamaborn says:

        Very interesting! Could actually see this scenario. A future ‘King” will need a dynamic, all inspiring partner. Suffice it to say, “Kate just ain’t it.”

    • Harper says:

      Ma Middleton should be very afraid of Charles and his team when he ascends. Charles will need a media scapegoat for his reign, and Ma Middleton is a likely target. He may sic Lady Colin Campbell on her for an “unauthorized” biography of the whole Middleton clan. He could leak any info that he has to the tabs on the part she played pushing out H&M. He may make it a personal crusade to keep George at a distance from her. He might take personal pleasure in disposing of Kate and her family during his reign, just to keep them from getting the titles they are aiming for when Will takes the throne. We have no idea about Charles’ personal feelings about the Middletons’ power plays but we do know he can be jealous and feels slighted by perceived snubs. We don’t know if he’s been keeping a ledger of every time an article comes out suggesting they skip right to Wills and wonder if Ma Middleton was the source. We don’t know what he is willing to do to make up for ten years of him feeling pushed to the side by Wills and Ma Middleton.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles would probably employ Penny Junor. I doubt he can stand Campbell who labeled his beloved Grandmother the Queen Mum illegitimate. Or maybe he’d use Bedell Smith.

    • ennie says:

      not seeing a divorce in the future, I think they’d go with the “already have the heir and spares, now, let’s have some fun getting some strange”. Especially him.

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:


        I think that will depend on how cooperative Kate is willing to be and how bad Kate wants to be Queen. Kate allows Carole to be thrown under the bus and stays quiet or she doesn’t and loses everything. It’s pretty clear Charles has his sights set on throwing The Middletons under the bus.

        I think of it like a litmus test. How far is Kate willing to go to be Queen? Historically, families latching on to royals the way the Middletons have tend to backfire. The Woodvilles come to mind and it didn’t end well for them. I guarantee you in the next year there will be DM articles about Carole Middleton being the leak and source of many Sussexit headlines. The Daily Express wrote an article about how Carole was never welcomed into the royal family the way Doria was and making Kate look bad by saying she whined to the Queen about it. The smear campaign against Carole has already begun and will intensify.

  25. Kfg says:

    Yep, losing H&M is costing them alot and she hasn’t been a draw for a long time. She’s out

    • MsIam says:

      I wouldn’t be surprised if lawyers are talking behind the scenes. Something is up, Kate and Carole have been working too hard to paint Kate as indispensable to the monarchy and the key to holding everything together. And is funny because then one of those “Sophie is the queen‘s favorite” or “look at what Camilla is doing” articles will come along. Somebody is playing chess while someone else is playing checkers.

  26. Jay says:

    Doesn’t this just…draw attention to that particular story again, after it had all but been forgotten? Why go to the trouble?

    If I were Tatler I would republish it on the front page with an “now updated to remove allegations of royal adultery” sticker lol.

  27. February-Pisces says:

    Yes I’m so glad this Tatler story is back, it was very entertaining. I knew which paragraph was cut out even before I finished reading the story. Willie clearly got his lawyers involved. Now we know exactly why KP kicked up such a fuss, it wasn’t ‘exhausted-gate’ after all. It’s very telling that he kept all the middleton stuff.

    • A says:

      It’s so funny because this, if anything, draws even MORE ATTENTION to the fact that Willy had some shady shenanigans with the Rosebushes. Which is the exactly OPPOSITE of what anyone would have wanted. They would have just managed to get by if they’d just let everything go and kept quiet, but nooooooo.

      • February-Pisces says:

        Lol I love how Willie always digs his own hole. I literally forgot Rose was mentioned in the article cos there was so much in it, but I like how they just clarified it was all about rose.

      • A says:

        Months later, I’m still stuck on the last little bit, where William apparently met with a psychic. I didn’t even know Rose was mentioned.

  28. A says:



    So much for never explain, never complain.

  29. Vanessa says:

    I don’t feel bad for Kate is getting what she deserves it’s called karma Kate help make Meghan life a living hell for three years straight she and her mother helped the press attack Meghan daily . Kate is not some innocent woman

    • Tessa says:

      Kate could have deliberately whipped up those tears to cause a scene in a cold blooded way then spread the story to the media. She was really nasty to Meghan.

  30. Jelly says:

    It’s hurtful to speculate for sport that someone is cheating on their spouse, especially when kids are involved. I think it shows that Kate can handle the nasty remarks about her and her family but her marriage is off limits.

    I get it.

    • ennie says:

      How sad that they could not do a little bit of the same for their nephew, when he has been called all sorts of names. Now, H and M sue, and they are called off for it, that they are sue-happy.
      Thankfully, they were be able to leave, since they were prevented to defend themselves from the RR. W and K benefit so much more ($$$$$ and rank) , they have to grow crocodile skin.

      • bamaborn says:

        Thank you, Ennie!

      • February-Pisces says:

        I have screen grabs of some of the comments bots have made. Some are even racist about little archie and almost all of them mention how wonderful Kate is (not William). I can always tell when they are bots cos there’s always no photo, private account, no-to-few followers etc, so I can tell who the bought and paid for comments are. It’s one think for Kate to not care about what the haters are saying about the Sussex’s, but she is actively paying for bots to be racist about them, including a baby. She’s brought on all the hatred herself.

    • WigletWatcher says:

      It was reported back when they were dating William was caught by paps cheating. It made the paper and kate was very upset that he let himself get caught and it made her look bad.

      They have their own dynamic and it’s never changed as time goes on.

    • Lizzie says:

      Well, it’s a gossip blog. When people are intentionally hurtful to others they should not expect much goodwill in return.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Kate cheated with William for months behind his girlfriends back. He cheated on her for a decade before they finally married. He’s cheating on her now.

      She knows who and what she married. If he wasn’t the future Prince of Wales, she wouldn’t be interested in him. But she wants the titles, she wants the position, so she chose the arrangement where he gets to cheat as often as he wants. She chose this.

      • kelleybelle says:

        And so did her mother. Her mother coached her throughout and still does. There are three people in that marriage.

  31. Florence says:

    Loooool the Cambridges deserve each other.

    Having Willy walk out on Cathy would be lovely payback for her treatment of Meghan, Beatrice, Eugenie… etc…

    • February-Pisces says:

      They really do. It’s better that they are together, than either of them being with someone who is kind and sincere, who actually cares about them, they would only get hurt.

  32. Marigold says:

    Does anyone have a link to the portrait of Rose?

  33. Coco says:

    Just looked it up and Rose Hanbury’s oldest child is 10 – that’s certainly old enough to find this information about his mother online or be bullied about it by his classmates. Whatever she and William got/get out of their relationship with each other, I’m sure neither of them want to spend the rest of their lives dogged by the story.

    Also, seeing the portrait painted of her made me realize that I’d really only seen her in the very unflattering garden party photos often posted her. I did an image search of her and she looks completely different when she smiles.

    • ennie says:

      Rose and Rocksavage have twin boys and a girl, right?

      • Sofia says:

        Yeah. Alexander (the older twin and heir), Oliver (the younger twin) ans daughter Iris (who’s 5 I think?

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      Rose really doesn’t photograph well in profile, but I’ve seen nice shots of her head-on. And I’ve seen people say that she’s one of those people who is quite striking in person–her features, but also her vibe & energy.

  34. deader than new metal and disco says:

    I know it sounds ironic since, yeah, I clicked here and read the story, but omg these people are so bland and uninteresting. I cannot imagine having all that money and being as intriguing as a soggy roll of toilette paper.

  35. yinyang says:

    Saw some snapshots of Pippa out and about with her son, she looks very nice.

  36. Mariane says:

    Years ago I wouldve felt sorry for kate but not anymore. The woman was okay with billy partying with and hugging a swiss model whilst on one of his solo vacations WHILST SHE WAS PREGNANT.
    That tells you that she’s in a arranged/contract marriage and will look the other way no matter how much he humiliates her in public.
    This is thanx to lack of self respect & never going through what normal adults do i.e: leaving the parental support system and learning self reliance/independence & achieving personal growth. She is still coached by her mother! The church walk was an example of how much her mother manages her life

    • Nic919 says:

      Not that I want to defend willy leaks but Verbier happened before she was pregnant with Louis. Kate was on a girls trip with Pippa and billy was with his boys, ( Neither hands on parent bothered to stay with george and Charlotte I guess ) and it was William getting caught by the media with photos and video that gave Kate leverage to have the third child that he openly stated he never wanted.

  37. Tessa says:

    This convinces me without a doubt the story is true. They protest too much.

  38. Tessa says:

    Kate could have deliberately whipped up those tears to cause a scene in a cold blooded way then spread the story to the media. She was really nasty to Meghan.

  39. Marivic says:

    Maybe this is the reason why Kate and William have not been seen together for months now. There is trouble in paradise. Surely not the perfect loving royal couple the Royal Rota want everyone to believe.

  40. L4frimaire says:

    This is weird. Like why now? That passage has been out there for months and in the print copies everyone has. I’m not interested in their marriage, grudges or whatever. Are they bored and feeling vindictive?

  41. ABritGuest says:

    Tatler is officially trolling. Just posted article on their social media about the most powerful royal mistresses

    • Sid says:

      Wow. Just wow. I wonder if Kate now regrets trying to have Rose frozen out of the Norfolk circle and then on top of that trying to flex by leaking it to the press. I still don’t know how she got so comfortable that she thought she could pull something like that off.

    • Nyro says:

      Harry and Meghan rocked the royals world when they settled all family business over the last few weeks, starting with the house purchase and ending with them paying off the Frogmore renovations in a lump sum. Something is going on. The royals must be reeling. Now suddenly you’ve got Tatler trolling Kate on Twitter for two days in a row. Like father, like son, she won’t be queen consort. That doesn’t mean it’ll be Rose, but it sure won’t be Kate. I think he’s having an early midlife crisis brought on from seeing his little brother living for himself and his young family and not that silly “crown”.

      • The Duchess says:

        Something has definitely shifted within the royal household and it’s not looking good for Kate at all. If I was her, I’d be worried. Tatler shading her for the second day running is a BIG sign that there’s trouble in paradise. I’ve never seen them be so bold with their trolling before. Kate has lost all grip and she’s only got herself to blame.

    • Nic919 says:

      And it’s interesting that while this mistress article was written in August, they made sure to tweet about it again yesterday. After the story about artists, which discusses a portrait of Rose.

      • Harper says:

        I saw a screenshot of the original Tatler Twitter post about the royal mistresses article and it included one of the photos featured above of Wills/Rose/Kate at the Houghton fundraiser. It’s not there anymore, but, someone at Tatler had a little fun this weekend taunting Will and Kate.

  42. RoyalBlue says:

    Living together for an extended period during these COVID-19 times is proving to be the make or break factor in relationships. This may have cemented their broken relationship. We have not seen them out much, and where other foreign royals release family summer photos, we see nothing of the sort from the Cambridges. They are missing in action.

  43. Mariane says:

    There is definitely a change behind the scenes. Harry Walker agency which represents Harry and Meghan’s speaking gigs has released a statement completely destroying the times. This is the second “reputable” British paper that has stooped so low just to sell. The lie ofcourse didnt spread past England thanks to the Sussex team.


    I wonder if the sudden shift could be by tabloids mobs deciding that kate formally known as dolittle is now fair game. (I just googled her and the sun, express..etc all are talking about 🍉song😂)

  44. Claire says:

    Has anyone else noticed that Rose looks incredibly different in different pictures of her?

    • WigletWatcher says:

      She looks very different in profile to front facing, but you can tell it’s the same person.
      I think unflattering photos are chosen in sympathetic kate articles because all the other pics of Rose show she’s sort of stunning. And almost all accounts of her in person claim the same.

      • Merricat says:

        Rose is beautiful, and her style is effortless–relaxed and comfortable, even in high fashion.

      • Claire says:

        Oh yes, I agree Rose is the same person through all the photos, I’m just struggling pinning down what she looks like in my mind! I’m new to the Royal watching thing but became interested in flipping over the stone to see the bugs beneath the seeming contempt for MofS, who just happened to be a beautiful, independent, biracial, self-actualized human being. So I’ve started to read more &more about the bizzare dynamics of those who hold her in contempt and learned a lot from this blog, actually. Poor M&H! I have a lot of sympathy for them, less for Will&Kate et al.

  45. Linda says:

    Why is no one talking about William consulting psychics? That little bit at the end of the article says a lot about him. That whole family is screwed up. Not because they consult psychics but that they feel the need to.

  46. Andrea says:

    Years ago, I’d have said no way Will and Kate will divorce. But now? Something is amiss. Kate looks worried and stressed and no it isn’t because she has to “work” more. Her position is crumbling and its showing all over her demeanor, face, and her extreme thinness. I predict we won’t be talking much about her in 5-10 years other than wondering if she found a new love.

    • Nyro says:

      The Kate the Great piece was a tell in itself. The fact that Keen and Pimp Mama Carole even felt the need to create a narrative to solidify Kate’s position in the family shows that they know this thing ain’t over. It ain’t over until Kate’s sitting on that throne. Popping out babies ain’t enough. They thought Meghan was gonna be there to take all the abuse and be a footstool and a shield for Kate and that blew up in their faces. Meghan said hell no, walked away, and that changed everything. And I think William wants really wants out now. Seeing Harry stand up like a man and live his own life as h sees fit has got to piss William off something serious. He’s rolling up on 40, looking at Harry, and now he’s asking himself is this what I want for the rest of my life. I don’t even think he wants the family life. I think he wants to be free to be a playboy prince and maybe settle down again in maybe 10-15 years. I think if he had his way, he’d probably would have been more like Prince Albert instead of doing this young devoted family man act that he’s apparently not all that into.

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        For William, I think he would have done much better under the Albert Model and waited to marry until his late 40s or 50s. Same with Charles. I think there was and always has been a lot of pressure for royals to marry and have kids before 35 by the Queen. I think if she had her way, they wouldn’t wait after becoming of age. I think she’s been antsy to know the line is secure.

      • Nyro says:

        Exactly. I think the whole thing was “you’re a future king pushing 30. You need to get married now because that’s what you’re supposed to do”.

  47. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    I accidentally made a comment on Meghan’s Smart Works post but I really believe that Charles wants Kate gone by the time he takes the crown (also I’m a new commenter here, hi). I think Charles and Wills have grown closer because Charles is helping Wills figure out a way out of his marriage. I think Charles is the true BRF PR mastermind. I think the BR will pin the Sussex leaks and lies on The Middletons -regardless of whether its true or not and rip Kate apart and blame family conflicts on her and start highlighting laziness. I’ve long said to my friends and family that Charles is the smartest one of the bunch and knows how to read a room – or the whole country! Never underestimate Charles’ ability to do something just because he seems like a bumbling idiot. I think Charles is his father’s son in that he puts people at ease by seeming like he’s bumbling all over the place.

    • tolly says:

      I agree that some of the recent PR has more of a Charles “flavor”. There has been a weird uptick in stories about royal mistresses (even Philip’s lovers), and it seems a lot like the sort of groundwork that Charles did to win support for Camilla. I suspect that someone in that family is preparing to roll out a new lady love.

  48. HeatherC says:

    I think we’ll know the tide has truly turned on Kate when we start seeing articles Slidell commenting on her mothering skills. No one in the BRF wants George raised by the Middletons.

  49. Carolind says:

    Regarding the heritage of the Wndsors, there are more countries in Britain than just England. What about Wales and Scotland? The reason the Hanovers got the British crown was because Sophia, Electress of Hanover, was a granddaughter of James I of Gt Britain AKA James VI of Scotland. Sophia was the link to the Hanovers getting the crown. All Catholics were bypassed because both Scotland and England became Protestant countries in the 16th century.

    James the Sixth of Scotland was the heir of Elizabeth 1 because Elizabeth’s aunt, Margaret Tudor (daughter of Henry V11) married James’s great grandfather James IV. Hence Union of the Crowns – Scotland and England – 1603.

    If Catholics had been allowed the crown Elizabeth 2 would be 150/160th in line.

    As for England’s “great” families, they might have been aristocratic but they were not royal enough to grab the crown.

  50. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    Divorce for William is risky but not impossible. The BRF and the media are in the beginnings of a campaign going after The Middleton family now. Kate can choose which team she wants to play on. Kate can choose to follow the BRF at which point she will probably be given a wonderful estate, and be rolled out whenever William needs her and no divorce provided she stays quiet. There will be rumors about separation and living separate lives but Kate will always be there, get the title, the clothes, etc. This is Kate’s best case scenario.

    Or Kate can choose her family but I don’t think she’ll like what happens. She will have to get divorced and she won’t have custody of her kids once Charles becomes King with no contact with any of the Middletons, no future Queen title, and her name will be dragged through the mud. Where Diana could be seen as a patron saint, due to the goodwill she created in her lifetime, Kate won’t be so lucky and has done nothing to create goodwill. How many lids would be let loose on “crazy Kate” stories if the BRF wipes their hands of her completely?

    Kate is being painted into a corner. Be apart of the BRF and be safe. Or join her family and see what happens.