For years, I thought the Kaylor theory was kind of weirdly anti-woman. I argued that Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss could be BFFs and there was nothing sexual there, as in: let women be friends without “shipping” them. But over the years, it absolutely feels like Taylor and Karlie were a couple, hiding in plain sight, and that they had a dramatic breakup around 2016/2017. The real shift in their relationship happened in the summer of 2016, when Taylor started up with Tom Hiddleston and the “summer of receipts” and all of that. Karlie was there, at Taylor’s Independence Day party. And after that, Karlie was in the wind, hanging out with Taylor’s enemies and getting married to Joshua Kushner. There were many theories about what caused the split or the rift and we still don’t know. It’s an unsolved mystery which still haunts Taylor’s friends and fans.
Over the years, Karlie has shrugged off the stories about a falling out with Taylor. Taylor… has not. Taylor doesn’t say anything about Karlie anymore, positive or negative. Well, on the last night of Taylor’s Eras tour stop in LA, Karlie was in attendance. She was in the cheap seats, if those exist at Taylor’s concerts:
Karlie Kloss sitting with the crowd at the Eras Tour.
— Pop Base (@PopBase) August 10, 2023
There is no indication that Karlie was there at Taylor’s request, no mention of Karlie going backstage or to any VIP area. Karlie apparently just went with a friend and they enjoyed the show. About three weeks ago, Karlie gave birth to her second child, Elijah Jude Kushner. So it was her girl’s night out after having a baby. No mention of the baby or Karlie on Taylor’s social media or anything. What the hell happened between them??
🫶| Karlie Kloss dancing and recording Taylor during Shake It Off tonight!pic.twitter.com/Kbp9In2vtC
— Gaylor Updates (@gaylornews) August 10, 2023
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Taylor’s explanation, or the closest we’ll get, is on “It’s Time to Go” from evermore.
“When the words of a sister come back in whispers
That prove she was not in fact what she seemed
Not a twin from your dreams
She’s a crook who was caught”
I think the prevailing theory is that Karlie was telling Scooter Braun Taylor’s secrets, incl. that her masters were for sale. Taylor’s non-famous friends liked tweets supporting this theory a few years back.
I thought the issue was they were not for sale. Like it wasn’t an issue of they were for sale but she just didn’t want him personally to own them. I guess I don’t understand what happened after all.
I also think Closure is about KK.
I’m confused over this. What’s the evidence that they were more than friends. Feel like I’m opening a can of worms here but I’ve always leaned towards the why can’t they just be good friends. I’m aware of the theories but just never took them seriously. Is it bc the friendship breakup was so dramatic that people think the emotions involved could have been romantic?
The big evidence that people contine to cling to was crowd video of what people thought looked like Taylor and Karlie drunk kissing. It became a tabloid story. Alternative camera angles eventually showed that Taylor was just taking in Karlie’s ear during a loud concert. And people don’t want to acknowledge that Karlie’s then boyfriend and now husband was standing right behind and Karlie was actually kissing him that night. At this point people are so emotionally connected to the fantasy that anything that contradicts their belief in this secret lesbian relationship gets dismissed so it doesn’t matter if it was ultimately debunked.
No idea, but the whole thing seems vaguely homophobic and mean-spirited to me.
When I was in my 20’s I had a bff with whom I was inseparable. Like we went deep on everything and anything always asking what about this, what about him, why do I do this etc – it was beyond therapy – and we hung out and went out together when we went out- always getting ready together and drinking before we went out. We always had each others back. We would go home after bar hopping and climb into bed together and talk as we fell asleep.
But life happened. Slowly and sometimes not so slowly – we drifted apart. She chose one kind of lifestyle.
And it wasn’t for me. I got tired of going to what felt like the same party over and over again. And I needed / wanted to get back to school.
And so it slowly ended and quickly all at once.. It wasn’t dramatic so much. Although it did have its dramatic moments. She was very high octane and drama was her bread and butter in a lot of ways. But I realized that I couldn’t keep that level of – what to me felt like chaos – going and be mentally healthy.
But I remember – even years after – describing that friendship to my close female friends and them saying – y’all were dating. Bottom line. And I was just like … no. It was just us two against the world for a while. We needed each other. For that time. It was an important relationship but it was not romantic.
This type of closeness isn’t reserved only for the person you are dating and it’s harmful for society as a whole to claim it for romantic partners.
I saw Karlie was with Misha Nonoo who people who follow Meghan and Harry are familiar with. Misha married Mikey Hess the best friend of Karlie’s Kushner husband. Misha took Mikey as her date to the Harry and Meghan’s wedding, which was the big relationship debut for Misha.
Taylor funny enough attended Mikey’s Hamptons birthday party back in the summer of 2016 where Nelly who was performing pulled her up on stage for a song and she performance flirted with Mikey as part of the performance. I think that is also the last time Taylor was seen in the Hamptons as well as most of the places the rich and famous go to be seen and mingle. No Mediterranean yachts for Taylor etc.
There was definitely a falling out by 2017, but the fate seemed to be sealed with the masters sale thanks Karlie and her husband’s closeness with Scooter Braun. Prior to Scooter’s divorce they were known for taking couples vacations including a photo of them all on a Mediterranean yacht.
Taylor’s song It’s Time to Go has a lyrics about how it’s time to go, “When the words of a sister come back in whispers. That prove she was not in fact what she seemed. Not a twin from your dreams
She’s a crook who was caught.”. That is how the falling out has been addressed most directly.
I also definitely think they were in a relationship. Assuming that was the case, it’s just so shitty they both couldn’t live their truths at that time and had to play coy about it.
Their truth is not your truth. You have no right to presume you know more about their relationship than they shared.
I bet you’re fun at parties.
come on not you too with the deranged secret lesbian stuff. Female friendships can be intense and emotional without being sexual. Anyone who’s had a falling out with a close friend understands what happened. It’s very uncool to use this platform to fuel such an unhealthy and rabid sect of Taylor’s fandom.
While I agree- me and my bff were connected at the hip (as adults!) but we just grew apart, which may seem weird from out outside perspective.
However an old comment is the best argument I’ve seen. Time with Karlie is the only time that TS did not give off an “a sexual” vibe.
Even with whoever she dated (Calvin and Joe run together in my head?) she was clearly trying to increase her sex appeal a little bit, nothing dramatic, but it just didn’t suit her.
Thank you! I had an awful friend breakup at about the same age as Taylor and Karlie, and it was honestly brutal. We’d been so close, and to lose that person really hurt. We eventually recovered somewhat, but we’ll never have that same intimacy that we did back then.
And, annoyingly, I found out later that a bunch of our friends thought we were dating and that we’d broken up – despite the fact that I had a boyfriend that they all knew as well! Women can be intimate friends without being sexually intimate, and it is really frustrating to see these deep friendships boiled down to, oh they must be together.
I remember when they did their joint cover for Vogue and the twins angle was being pushed really hard. When I heard that line from the Evermore song about twins from a dream, it really hit that it was Karlie.
Reddit is not happy about this lol They think this is Karlie stalking Taylor and find it creepy. I do think she clearly wasn’t invited, which is evident by the non-VIP seats. I don’t have much of an opinion other then I’m glad she went to the show cause it’s causing some funny conversations in the Swiftyverse.
Can someone explain how Dianna Agron ties into this? There were all these comments on my timeline re: her, Karlie, Taylor but I couldn’t make heads or tails out of them.
The Gaylor theorists think Taylor dated Diana at some point.
Interesting that she wasn’t in the friends and family section.
She’s there to not experience the wrath of Taylor’s fans IMO because if she was invited or friends with Taylor she’d be photographed where others have been not in the nose bleeds. (She has $ she didn’t have to do that, did she not want to spend the $? ) She wants taylors fans to not attack her so she acts like a fan IMO they for sure don’t seem friendly at all anymore
I’m mostly amazed she is there at a concert, wearing jeans, 3 weeks after having her second baby!!
I don’t think they were in a romantic relationship but really fast friends at a time when Taylor seemed very insecure and wanted attention. But since they made such a big deal out of their friendship, when they naturally drifted apart it made headlines.
Over the years, Taylor became a lot more political and I always assumed Karlie’s relationship with Kushner was a problem. And that Karlie was/is managed by Scooter Braun.
I just want to know what happened to that plaid coat with the navy collar in some of those photos – that coat and I could build a beautiful life together, I just know it