Over the past week, Buckingham Palace has confirmed that Queen Camilla will “lead” the royal contingent on Commonwealth Day (next Monday), Camilla will be the first consort to hand out “Maundy money” just before Easter, and Camilla will likely be sent to France for the D-Day 80th anniversary events in June. BP is making it clear that Camilla is stepping up for the king in place of the heir. I have assumed this whole time that BP has approached Prince William about some or all of these events, only to be told that William refuses to do this or that. But now the Mail’s Ephraim Hardcastle column claims that William hasn’t been asked.
Has William’s nose been put out of joint by King Charles’s reliance on Queen Camilla deputising for him while he recovers from cancer? In addition to presenting the Royal Maundy she will take centre stage at the Commonwealth Day events on Monday.
Provisional plans have been made for her to represent him at the Chelsea Flower Show, the D-Day 80th anniversary commemorations, Garter Day, Royal Ascot and Trooping the Colour.
William has apparently indicated his willingness to help but hasn’t yet been called upon. The long tradition of monarchs being wary of their heirs continues.
Yeah… if true, this isn’t just wariness between the sovereign and heir, it’s wariness between the two royal courts. We know Charles is unwilling to be direct with William – lest William throw a violent tantrum – so this BP’s staffers understanding that Kensington Palace is a clownshow and they don’t have their schedule in order. Plus, William has made such a big f–king deal about how HE needs time off to look after Kate and the children, and just this week, he threw another tantrum because the Ministry of Defense dared to suggest that Kate would be ready to work in JUNE. Basically… I don’t believe that it’s going down as “Hardcastle” suggests, with William waiting for his father to ask him to take on these events. This is William being jealous that all of these events are being handed to Camilla after he turned them down or told his father he couldn’t confirm anything.
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“The long tradition of monarchs being wary of their heirs continues.” Tradition? QE had Charles doing all this sort of thing as POW. So BS. I guess, PW didn’t mind Charles choosing Cam over PH, so here is his comeback. Guess, what PW, he prefers her to you also. There is also the fact that PW said he wasn’t going to work for a while and the fact that he makes embarrassing comments when he does (Ofc, so has Cam) and that he cancels at the last minute leaving people scrambling.
Also “Has William’s nose been put out of joint” that’s a weird choice of words? Is william a drug addict? Did kate and him do drugs together and she overdosed? That’s what these words triggered when I read that. Is she detoxing
@stilldouchesse – re “nose out of joint” – no, that’s just a fairly common expression – my British family members use it all the time. Just means someone is miffed or irritated or p-ssed off….Other examples – he had a knot in his face or he was put out or he was in a snit.
Another expression is to get all bent out of shape.
It’s a common expression that means to be upset or irritated when someone else displaces you or thwarts your plans.
The current relationship is a reversion to the mean. This family has a very, very long history of inter-generational hatred and disfunction.
George the sixth was not wary of princess Elizabeth. She did not hesitate to help. William is petty. What the queen tried to teach him was ignored by william.
But Victoria was wary of Edward the VII, Edward the VII did not include George V his activities, and we all remember what happened with George V and Edward VIII. I think there are also a lot of other, earlier Hanoverian examples, but these are the ones I am aware of.
Tessa, George VI ?????
BayTampaBay, George VI was Elizabeth’s father; formerly Duke of York and second son (after Edward VIII later Duke of Windsor) of George V. He was baptised Albert and known as Bertie, but chose George as his regnal name to suggest a continuity with his father and to somewhat slide past the brief reign of Edward VIII.
Who could have predicted Charles would turn on his son?
Everyone. Willy Nilly does what he wants, when he wants, and he expects everyone to fall into line.
He is irrational, unpredictable, and unreliable. Charles knows he can’t count on Will, so he’s tapped Camilla (ugh sorry gross) to fill in for him.
This doesn’t feel like turning in his son to me (not to say he wouldn’t/hasn’t before) this just seems like Charles is using some damn sense. Nothing about William says it would be smart to hand over anything to him right now.
I wouldn’t say he turned on Peg. KC only thinks about KC and that’s it. He doesn’t want the appearance of Peg being regent because he can’t do his job. Especially after the “let’s skip Charles for Peg” campaign flaring up repeatedly in the last 20 years. Plus this way KC can strengthen Cam’s position even further. I’m sure he was not OK with Cam jetting the hell out of dodge.
With all that said, Peg could still do a flurry of charity events and let slip a few words about how Keen is doing and the kids are with her all the time cheering her up etc. He could even do an event about early years and the BM and British public would canonize him.
I think it’s more that Camilla has a deft hand when it comes to getting what she wants from Charles.
Has Work Shy William ever showed his worth? Octogenarian Royals put in more work days than this 40 something welfare queen. I think that if William had shown initiative by putting in the time, like his father had done for decades, he would be getting more responsibilities instead of the Side Chick getting them all.
He did it to himself.
But wasn’t PH’s version in Spare that it was Charles’ decision to not have W&K working so much? Was it to allow more family time or was it because he knew, even then, that PW couldn’t handle things?
William doesn’t inspire confidence that he can be relied upon to show up at important events.
Although Camilla is off on a beach somewhere right now as the RF goes totally off the rails, so I’d be reticent to count on her too much, as well. But at least she’s more reliable than William. Which is…an extremely low bar.
Charles was running as shadow king for the last few years before his mother passed. It was likely kicked off when he and Andrew teamed up to remove Christopher Geidt (IIRC, he wanted to have comms come from 1 office only and that was one of the points of contention) and installed a plant [E. Young, I believe]. Amongst the many thing he did in his spare time, he treasonously ignored the Queen’s requests for Harry and Meghan for security, the roles after stepping back, etc.
He doesn’t want to do anything and at the same time he doesn’t want anyone else to either.
This is the root cause of most of the RF’s problems right now.
Yes! This is the same William who turned things down when his mother suggested them until she gave them to Harry. Then William pitched a fit. He’s still an enraged, spoiled six year old. Scary.
I’m no fan of Cam’s, but you are correct on this. It kinda reminds of all those old videos from his and Harry’s childhood, where William turns something down (a pet, Diana calling on him to do something, etc.), but suddenly wants it only because Harry does.
100%. He doesn’t want anyone to get the attention, but also refuses to do any work. The headline of Charles refusing to ask him is still better than William Won’t Work.
Yep. What we are witnessing is the adult version of that famous clip with Princess Diana where a young Wills won’t come in from the garden when called so she says “All right. Harry will have all the fun then” and toddler William comes running immediately screaming “Noooooooo!!!”
This is “OK, Camilla will have all the duties then”, Wills “Noooooooo!!!!”
I think William thought this would be “the perfect opportunity to show his important he is to the monarchy.” He thought he would let it crumble a bit while he wasn’t there and then come and the day and everyone would see his value. He failed.
BP actually knows who William is even better than we do; they don’t trust him to show up sober or at all. What a putz.
@Agnes, what a Putz 🤣🤣🤣 too funny!
But everything you said is 100% true.
Pretty much. My guess is that William’s team communicated to BP early on that William was going to be “busy helping Kate” and wouldn’t be available to step in for him.
So Charles shrugged and said okay, Cams? Can you do XYZ? And Camilla said yes but I get a week at a spa in return. Charles said sure.
now William is throwing a tantrum because he realizes how good it makes Camilla look to be stepping in for Charles (spa week aside), and the headlines about Camilla at the royal maundy service and such are enraging him.
I wonder if his tantrums are part of why Camilla went away this week. One theory we had discussed was that she had said “if William doesn’t have to work, I don’t have to work.” but maybe, it was more like “oh bloody hell if he’s going to throw a tantrum bc I lead the family at the memorial service then fine, I’ll go away and he can do everything.”
And then William decided to sit on his ass for another week.
I think this is it in a nutshell. I’m sure she’s not thrilled with the bad press for stepping away, but at the same time I’m sure she’s like “eh, I only have this for a few more years-let him tantrum and see how that works out for him long term.”
This is it. We never heard of this stuff when Charles would substitute for the Queen. He simply just did the job.
William is making a big deal out of something that was inevitable. His father won’t live forever and he will need to step up. Except William is unable to do this. He loves sending out stories about how his coronation will be better and he will be a more youthful king, but when it comes down to the brass tacks of the role, William doesn’t actually step up. He lets his septuagenarian aunt go to state funerals instead.
The amount of incandescence Willy boy produces could rival the Sun at this point. We still have no idea if William has even seen his father. What we do know is he cannot be counted on, so it’s his own fault that he is mad.
You tried to go on a several months long break along with your wife for no reason, can’t show up to events or show up under the influence of….something, and you’re surprised he’s not leaning on you? Really?
The lack of self-awareness is comical.
Right? What kind of “boss” is going to have the person who takes long breaks, doesn’t commit to dates, is vague, doesn’t communicate, and cancels last minute do the important stuff inside of the person he can count on. The hissy fit is really amazing! For all we know KC actually did ask his son who wasn’t in state to remember that properly.
Edit: dual response to S808 and Dutch.
And apparently this isn’t just some momentary aberration on William’s part. Didn’t he show up late for Charles’ coronation and didn’t have trouble memorizing a few lines to say to Charles? So, William hardly has a record of competence.
Once again William shows that because he knows he will be king, whether he deserves to be or not, he thinks everything else should come easily to him without any efforts.
Goodness, I thought it was the photo of him looking like this at Meghan at first but no, it’s at Mrs Tampon. He’s certainly got a look 😂😂😂🤯💀
Looking at that photo of William with his “down his nose” look at Camilla reminded me of his similar glance at Meghan too. In fact, I thought, “Does he do that to everybody?” It’s amazing how someone so relatively young and who hasn’t accomplished anything can be so full of himself.
Camilla repping Charles is a vote of no confidence to William, and the clusterwhoops messaging of Kate’s hospitalization shows it’s justified. It’s as if Camilla is regent.
Camilla would not be regent. When George the third was ill his son not his wife got to be regent. William makes George the fourth who was prince regent look like a great.leader.which is quite the feat imo.
My opinion is more along the lines of Charles knows Camilla isn’t as popular as he. He has always held a twinge of jealousy when either of his sons were around. Maybe because they are Diana’s boys or younger or whatever. I think at the end of every day, Charles is jealous of most others, but not Camilla. He believes she is tolerated at best and knows down in his little emerald green jealous heart she will never surpass him.
Interesting that both Charles and William chose women who were never going to be beloved or shine on their own.
There’s a video clip of an interview of Charles when he was in his twenties, long before he met Diana, in which he says that his future wife will have to be someone who will accept being in his shadow all the time, someone who will have to get used to walking behind him. He has a faint smirk on his face as he says this, as if he’s looking forward to having a wife he can dominate and humiliate.
Then what does he do? He marries a superstar, a woman who shined brightly even when she was a shy teenager and completely eclipsed him. Jerk. I honestly believe that speculation about his preferring Horsilla to his own son and heir is spot-on. He’s not risking another Diana situation.
Will wants to be offered these big events but he doesn’t want to have to do them.
As of a few weeks ago, BP *had* confirmed Will’s attendance (and non-attendance) at a slew of events, and it was KP’s incompetence that had them flip-flopping and reconfirming and correcting. It was total amateur hour, and it makes complete sense that BP would just stop feeding any of that stuff to KP until they get themselves under control.
But, I also think that Charles is wary of giving Will too much power because he knows it’ll be dangerous, for the institution as a whole and for Charles in particular. The problem is, withholding that power will make Will just as incandescent.
Yes Sunday to all of it. He doesn’t trust his heir to get it done. Just look what Peg has done since the announcement of Can’t. He has hidden and then when he dies come out he makes mistakes and appears hung over. As much as I don’t like Horsilla at least when she shows up she isn’t hung over and she knows what she is doing.
I think Camilla is half drunk all the time. The term functioning alcoholic could apply to her, unlike Willie who is just a mean ugly drunk, unable to handle his liquor.
God this man is 3 years old.
Why would they ask him? He never wants to work unless celebrities are there.
The messaging around these two continues to be ridiculous and chaotic. Yesterday KP reprimands MOD over a June date for Kate? After a decade of waity Katey is she getting her own back by makeing EVERYONE wait for her to guess when and where she will turn up if June is too early. Now we are told that Will would if he was asked nicely but wasn’t cos QC pushed ahead of him? What an absolte shower!
Camilla is the winner of the Game of Thrones…she held out and got what she wanted
When is karma coming for Camilla?!?
She gets to be touched by Charles’s fingers, does that count?
@Ciotog. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
William should never have censored his mother’s interview and called her paranoid. This is sort of karma for him going on now
I wonder if there is a way for Wm to “un-censor” his mum’s interview?
Well, William, you have proven yourself unreliable at the best of times. How does Charles know you won’t pull out last minute or show up under the influence? Or just be your usual, utterly unprepared, embarrassing self?
Seriously, I hope Parliament is clocking this and are prepared to remove him from the line of succession because Willy is a ticking time bomb.
I would expect behind the scenes machinations to muscle William out rather than outright removing him from the line of succession.
Yes Lulu. I have felt forever that Willileaks will never be king. Whatever he is hiding will eventually be used to force him to step aside. They’re all probably praying Chuck lives long enough for George to reach adulthood.
It’s not Parliament that decides if William is fit to serve, Its four .people, the Lord Chancellor, the Speaker of the House of Commons, the Lord Chief Justice, Master of the Rolls and the spouse of the monarch. Will Kate be around to vote
If Kate lives long enough…
If they really were behind Diana’s death… then we’re nearly the point where the “establishment” will either need to force him out like Edward VIII, or else arrange a helicopter crash. They’ve got the bloodline secured with three kids. If William becomes an actual danger to the institution then he won’t be protected by the institution. That’s historically rare but not unprecedented.
William could have had an ally in harry but Williams essential bad nature made that impossible
Angry, spoilt, entitled, abusive man wants to have his cake and eat it too, and is angry, spoilt, entitled and abusive when he can’t? oh dear…. you reap what you sow family.
That family has exactly what they cultivated, an angry, man child with zero work ethic. Keep weeping
William doesn’t do any of his *own* POW Wales events… and when he does what little he decides is good enough for him, he makes a public spectacle of himself. So, why would the King ask him to fill in? Sounds like Charles is keeping his side of the street clean while giving William a lesson in public humiliation.
Really – he bailed on a big event last week with 45mins notice so of course the King doesn’t trust him.
Its all failing apart quicker than I thought it would after QE2 passed – they are imploding and the press are trying very hard to cover it up.
They are such an angry family. Anger here, anger there, anger every damn where.
This is the heart of their dysfunction. I believe everything else stems from the fact that Charles chooses Camilla over everyone else, not just Harry. William, who desperately needs all kinds of therapy, has probably never accepted her. It wouldn’t surprise me if the reason he pulled out of the memorial thingie is because he would have been officially the second most senior royal, after Camilla. And he can’t stomach that. In a way I don’t blame him but yikes the situation is volatile with him throwing tantrums all the bloody time.
Charles knows that William is unreliable. Cam is no angel but Charles and the palace know they can depend on her to get the job done. This is the height of the RF social season. There are hi profile events coming up and you can’t have the man-baby heir not showing up or doing something stupid.
I think the real story everyone should be focusing on is William and his behavior. Something is terribly wrong behind the scenes and Kate’s and Charles’s illnesses are being used as distractions to protect William.
All of this!!! Whatever camilla’s faults, she seems reliable for the grand events…William is unpredictable and not very competent diplomatically…this kind of article is just a cover for the lack of confidence in him by Charles…
You have summed it up perfectly. Even if William had been asked to deputise for Charles, there is no guarantee that he would turn up. Camilla has many faults but she can turn up and do the job when she is asked.
I think he skipped the memorial service because he would have had to show deference to those who outrank him and he would not have been the centre of attention.
I believe Prince William can be removed from the line of succession if he is deemed incapacitated and there are at least 3 of designated signatories in agreement. In other words, I am not sure he has to abdicate. It would appear that he is not considered capable of leading some of these events….
Theoretically, they’d just name a regent like they did for mad King George III. He stayed “king” until he died but someone else held the power. If William is incapable of the duties when Charles dies, then they’ll appoint a regent until George turns 18 or 21. Then George would act as regent for King William until he became King George. In practice, it’d be difficult to avoid very uncomfortable discussions about the future of the monarchy in case of another regency, for whatever reason.
Interesting reading: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research-areas/monarchy-church-and-state/regency-acts-what-happens-if-king-becomes-so-ill-he-can-no#What%20if%20William%20loses%20capacity?
George would be declared king
He would have regent s until he comes of age. Henry the sixth became king when an infant. But there was a regency of course until he came of age.
I wonder if the Queen is happy going here and there filling in for Charles? Sounds like lots of work. Certainly Anne is doing much much more. Anne is the work horse. Personally I would make Anne Queen.
Every time, I mean every every time, someone mentions the queen, I think wait, is she back I’ll never get used to anyone but Elizabeth.
Who cares if Cam is leading the royal contingent, it doesn’t matter. People will still pay more attention to Peg, he’s the heir. Peg is making excuses and blaming others so he can get out of work.
Omg, did the press just figure out that William is incompetent? They’ve been trying to float the story of a diligent husband and father who’s taking time off from his busy and successful schedule, but forgetting that William has bungled pretty much everything he’s ever touched. This isn’t new – lazy, unstable, jealous, angry, violent, but also incompetent. He couldn’t even get one investiture right and all he had to do is stand in one place and hand out medals. He couldn’t even take a 10 minute walk to a memorial service and read something off a piece of paper. Why would Charles trust him with anything?
In a comment on this site, someone first questioned whether Will might have Oppositional Defiance Disorder. The more I read about his reactions and behavior, the more I am inclined to agree. Of course, I’m not a mental health expert, but it seems so clear that he only wants what someone else has or what is being denied to him, so at a very basic level, I see this playing out.
This might be a chicken and the egg situation.
It is possible that Charles made it clear to William very early on that Camilla would be his proxy because as someone mentioned he isn’t threatend as much by Camilla as William (who has had his own campaign about replacing an old king nowish in the press). Will is ego driven if anything and his” I’m going to stay home and take care of Kate” could have been his alibi to save face for why he isn’t the one leading the family.Could also explain why he hasn’t been seen visiting his father. When Harry started to make noice that kind of messed up the plan cause he wasn’t willing to let Harry have ALL the attention.
I’ve been saying all along that he dropped out the memorial because Camilla was leading the family instead of him.
You and me both!
And it was short sighted on his part as usual. He looked unreliable and disrespectful dropping out less than hour before and Camilla god additional brownie points and looked like a leader anyway. God, she’s dog-walking him.
W has perfected his disdain side eye for females he believes have overstepped their place.
😂
Two things can be true at once. William is lazy and ignorant. Also, Charles would not hesitate to elevate Camila at William’s expense.
With some of you talking about William possibly be deemed incompetent to rule, I am reminded of that astrologist’s prediction that William will not be King. This is the same guy that some of you have been quoting recently who died not long after William and Kate’s marriage. He indicated that William would not be King and that Harry would ultimately, when he was quite elderly, become King. He also said that Harry would become the Regent for a very young King George. I really didn’t see then how that could be possible. But now?
The only way for Harry to be a King rather than a regent is if all 3 Wales kids predeceased him before they had legitimate children of their own. They’re above him in the line of succession. William’s death or abdication doesn’t change their place.
On a silly predictions note, The Simpsons predicted that Prince Harry would be a ruthless tyrant. Imagine “Mr. Justice Man” cleaning institutional house as regent. He’s dutiful and he recognizes generational trauma. I really wonder what he’d do if he had that power.
William’s kids don’t need to die for Harry to become King. They, for example, could just decide that they don’t want to deal with the whole toxic mess that is the British Monarchy.
Where in the prediction does it say Harry is gonna be King? I don’t think that is true. I think, it is written like George is gonna be King at a young age, which is probable. There is no way Harry can be. Also, why would he want it? He just escaped. He said no one wants the job (including him), but his father and brother are trapped, they don’t get to leave. The same guy won’t move his family back to UK, so his children and their children will be trapped in the system as well. I wish people leave Harry alone. He got jobs, his own family, he doesn’t want any of this mess.
@seven, this guy did not make one prediction about the royal family members. There are several that are still online and archived. For all I know there were more out there that were not archived. However, I clearly remember him indicating that Harry would be King when he was very old. You and I are both happy that Harry is now in California. However, remember that Harry still believes in the purpose of the Monarchy. I could definitely see him returning if it meant that otherwise the existence of the Monarchy would be in jeopardy. And, he then would not have to deal with KP and BP’s shenanigans. Also, his being King does not mean that all three of Williams children die before him. They could, for example, abdicate.
@May, ok cool, All Will’s kids abdicated. Again, why would Harry make his own children and their children get trapped in the firm? Whatever good Harry believes in monarchy, he sees as his own duty. He said if asked, he may help with commonwealth. But, I don’t believe for a second, he would bring Archie & Lili into the cage. It doesn’t matter how much you change things. It is still a cult that you need to submit to. Harry got brainwashed since a young age that his life didn’t matter. Do you think he would let her kids get exposed to any of this?
Apart from all these, the government wouldn’t let Harry get anywhere near power. The tory politicians are managed by tabloids. They are not gonna allow someone to change the system. Like the last King who abdicated, we know that he was forced into it by the government because of his loyalties to nazis. They are not gonna allow Harry to get into power and change the current system ever. They would rather make Andrew the King.
Panties need not be bunched. I was just relaying what an astrologist said!
I have a tiny hope for William’s salvation just coz he is Diana’s son. Not becoming king may actually be transformative.
Has William’s nose ever been in joint?
He’s been perpetually angry since childhood.
And the sad part is that no one thought that it might be a good idea to do something about it then! He’s been enabled and excuses made for him, his entire life. Hell, Harry was sacrificed to enable Willnot. Harry leaving opened everyone’s eyes to what a lazy loser William has always been and exposed how pathetic that everyone has been walking on eggshells around Willnot his entire life without doing something about it. The BRF is finally reaping what they sowed and I’m enjoying the shitshow. The fact that evil old whore Camilla, of all people, is working more in place of Willnot is unbelievable!
It’s easy to see why Charlie won’t give these to billy idol. He can’t be trusted. He either won’t turn up or will fluff anything he’s supposed to say. And, knowing the inept twerp, if he went to the Chelsea show, he would flatten the exhibits with his precious copter. (was going to say chopper). Oh Billy, Billy, Billy, don’t you wish you had a brother you could call and vent to 😂😂
Does William (who never pays attention to social media) think this article is some sort of flex? It just makes him seem untrustworthy. KFC could have split these tasks up between the Cow and him, but he didn’t. We all saw him bobbing and dropping a medal at the investiture, he was inappropriate at the BAFTAs and he couldn’t be bothered to remember his lines at the coronation. His work rate was abysmal before the medical calamities. Where has he shown any leadership or any sort of capability at all?
So many excellent points have been made and I don’t think they necessarily cancel each other out.
One, William is what Charles constantly choosing Camilla over his own flesh and blood has made him. It is easy enough for anyone who has read Spare to see that the sons of Diana were dangerously neglected.
William is what nature or ironically atmospheric tensions in “the early years” has made him. Sometimes we speculate the benevolent influence Diana might have had if she had lived. But even while she lived, he was throwing tantrums and shoving even her.
I genuinely believe there’s a strong possibility they would have ended up estranged. She was frozen out of getting help for her own mental health. I think she would have had an uphill battle to get help for William while everyone else was busy convincing him he was above it all as the heir.
I once read, and I can’t remember the source so let’s not take it as gospel, that he once pulled a towel off his naked mother to embarrass her in front of a visitor. IF that story is true, it’s another one to add to the “Smash Harry into a dog bowl anecdote” illustrating William’s lack of self control over physically violent impulses.
He seems unable to focus at all on anything he needs to succeed at any job or personal goals. Undiagnosed ADHD? ODD? Who knows? The institution would never permit the questions to be asked.
The institution failed William at every turn. They push this image of super human perfection on everyone and it’s so bad the Queen couldn’t be seen using mobility aids and was officially deemed to have died of “old age” when we know damned well the woman was sick with something that afflicts the rest of us mere mortals.
Reading how challenging Harry found it to get medical help for a straightforward problem like a “frozen todger”, how much more difficult has it been for William to get evaluated as a child for anything that stymied normal growth and development? And now as an adult it’s entrenched in his mindset that therapeutic interventions are for the peasants, not a royal personage as himself.
So now we have, as a result of all these factors, a man incapable of introspection, incapable of sustaining any constructive personal interests, incapable of sustaining interest in the less action oriented parts of his job, and incapable of having measured, mature responses to things that anger or disappoint him.
I think at one time Harry understood and had compassion for all of this, but that compassion was eroded as he watched William set out to destroy the love of his life, his children, and him with such obvious glee.
Now William is like a bull in a china shop destroying his own role in the monarchy and he’s left with people watching it with no compassion for him whatsoever.
William is a catastrophe. No one person created this mess. No one person could have fixed it. And William himself probably won’t ever be able to acknowledge it and get help.
And depending on what he’s actually done to people that we don’t know about, it may be too late. We the peasants are seeing only the surface of what’s going on.
Schrodinger’s Kate, what a thoughtful post. I think all of what you said is true, although it’s near impossible to have compassion for someone who acts the way he does. I wonder if there is anyone in any of the palaces who understand where they went wrong? I have a sinking feeling the answer is, “no”.
@Saucy&Sassy, thank you. A lot of what I posted is compiled from observations made by others here on Celebitchy over the years and up to recent times.
We have all borne witness to all the dysfunction feeding into the results we are seeing now.
So many individuals made so many stupid mistakes that are now coming together to possibly blow up the monarchy in our lifetime. From the late Queen failing to hug her son and heir enough to that son and heir failing to be a proper father to his sons and heir. From jealousy and insecurity that drives more competent working royals like Diana, Meghan,and Harry out of the fold to a cultlike chokehold that locks others in who really should have been set free with grace, like Margaret, or cut loose to rot at a safe distance, like Andrew.
I’m sure there are people here well versed in royal history who could, if asked, easily explain how it has always been thus and that what we are seeing now was always inevitable. I think the information age and social media have finally accelerated a destructive process that was perhaps centuries in the making.
I totally agree with your assessment. I’ve been a long time royal watcher from the way back. I was a teenager when Diana came on the scene, and loved her. I absolutely believe that she would not have been able to rein him in either-and she certainly would have zero support for that from Charles or the Queen. His personality was this way, and the institution has coddled his worst instincts, combined with a father and powerful grandmother who did not like confrontation. I also believe that had she lived, Diana and William would have been estranged.
I think Diana would have seen off the Middletons – she had no time for social climbers.
And she’d have embraced Doria and would have never let her sit on her own in the church.
Fully agree. Diana would have seen straight through the Middletons.
When I think of W being reeled in by the Middletons I’m always reminded of the situation in Wind in the Willows where lazy, but hithertoo decent, Toad is enticed by the sly, crafty stoats and weasels to row back, do nothing, spend all his money, and eventually ruin himself while the stoats and weasels all live the high life at his expense in Toad’s own house.
Beautifully stated SK
William kinda shot himself in the foot way back declaring repeatedly thru his team he’ll do things differently to his father which in effect is criticizing and challenging Charles’ leadership. KC and his bees & wasps are now shutting Willy out from any major public role. By placing Camilla as the lead, KC is twisting the knife even more knowing full well William doesn’t respect her. Case in point, William would not bow to Camilla during the Coronation. This is all payback and power play and an attempt to force William come to heel.
Agreed. However, I am beginning to wonder if this really is just an “attempt to force William come to heel..”. For William to do that he would need a total personality change and suddenly develop a work ethic. I don’t think this will happen and I don’t think Charles expects this to happen. Putting on my tin foil tiara, I am wondering if this is the beginning of a push by BP for William to be seen not just as lazy but, like his mother (allegedly), tetched. Charles and Camilla waged a dirty war on Diana to have others view her as a paranoid muck-up. Someone not to be believed. Just like what they are doing to Harry. I wouldn’t put it past Charles to value his reputation and standing more than that lol, and to the detriment, of William’s and the Monarchy.
https://youtu.be/yxyKzMT132A?si=LrO7xtkLLJBaBdAw Best forensic analysis of how many alterations were made including the daughter bring as big as her mother …/